From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 334, Issue 2 Date: 3/8/2004 11:52:31 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Painting (Dan Heath) 2. RE: Saved my life (Dana Overall) 3. Re: Painting (Dana Overall) 4. RE: fuel vent (Wood, Sidney M.) 5. Flyin (Michael Warner) 6. RE: Updates (Stephen Jacobs) 7. some of us dont have RV money! 8. Re: Painting (larry flesner) 9. / KR design (larry flesner) 10. RE: Painting (Kevin Angus) 11. Re: some of us dont have RV money! (Ron Eason) 12. Re: kr2 (Virgil Salisbury) 13. RE: some of us dont have RV money! (Ron Freiberger) 14. RE: Turbocharging a KR (Norman Stapelberg) 15. Re: Painting wings (Jack Cooper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 06:28:19 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Painting Message-ID: <404C58D3.000007.03672@Computer> References: <007801c404fe$e15ba360$0300a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Jim,=0D =0D When I painted the Little Beast wings, I made wooden brackets that fit in= to the WAFs. Of course, I drilled a hole in the bracket to accept a bolt. I mounted them on a support post in my basement, vertically, also did that = on my deck outside for wet sanding.=0D =0D I am thinking about trying the same thing, only building a strong center post on one of the ends of my paint booth. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:02:20 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR>Saved my life Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 >From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" >Dana, >According to your input, and one other concerning just on item of >construction you probably saved my life. Colin, now I'm not going to take credit for all that:-). I believe someone else jumped in and provided some nice input also. All I was, was the piano player even if one wants to bring a knife to a gun fight. While I have seriously enjoyed alll the off list one liners, I can assure all that I will continue to post questions and answers as I see fit and relevant. I still think the KR offers the most bang for the buck of any experimental airplane out there. I knew my post concerning getting KRs out amongst the rest of a aviation community, and not just the KR Gathering, would be controversial but maybe a little thought provoking. If it even gets one KR to a fly-in where 200 people can have a look at what you can build with a set of plans and regular shop tools, then it was worth my time. Don't worry, I am very good with the delete key and block function, it appears a lot of others are also. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:11:42 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Painting Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 Here's an idea on a paint booth I have seen used. Not really relavent to the initial question, but all the same. Next time one of those travelling tool sales deals rolls through your town, go buy one of the 10' x 20' white tent canopies. You can usually buy them for about $100. These include all the poles. You can also buy the side curtains for something like $49. Lay down some flywood for a floor and cover with a thick mil drop cloth or tarps. Tape all the corners with duct tape, install an exhaust fan and "instant paint booth". In addition to a paint booth you end up with a tent canopy to cook burgers under at the fly-in you host. Give em a place to fly and free food. Get a bunch of KRs, and others. Once again, just a thought. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 07:47:58 -0500 From: "Wood, Sidney M." To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>fuel vent Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Dene, My understanding is that a gauge of some sort is required for each fuel = tank. This could be a sight gauge or electric or mechanical. Tanks = could share one switched indicator, just so the pilot can determine how = much fuel is actually onboard. Regards, Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD sidney.wood@titan.com -----Original Message----- selector valve that can supply the motor from the header (normal) or directly from the wing tanks (transfer pump failure). 6: sight guage on header tank only, no plan for guages in wing tanks yet. Thanks again. Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 08:13:15 -0500 From: Michael Warner To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Flyin Message-ID: <404C716B.4040100@wpsllc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I attended Dana's fly-in and it was wonderfull. Airplanes are airplanes. My KR is 2 years from completion so I ran on the ground. With all the complaints about the national fly-in being miserable weather KR's were still absent on the most gorgeous day I have seen in 6 months. My plane will not be an award winner but I still look forward to showing it off. Mike Warner Lexington Ky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:22:12 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Updates Message-ID: <000401c40510$611e7c60$2464a8c0@homedesktop> In-Reply-To: <009301c404d7$d5706850$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 >>>>bolts mounted in rotational areas .......... self locking nuts instead of castle nuts with cotter pins OR SAFETY WIRE installed Not on my watch - never. Castle nut with split pin (cotter pin) even a washer with a split pin, but never safety wire alone. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:54:24 EST From: Flymaca711689@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>some of us dont have RV money! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 I dream of going to the Kr gatherings but IM a realest I cant take that much time off without a lot of planing and money. IM not willing to give up my fishing trip money for others and spend that money to fly so far just to come back all rag out for others that may piss me off because of there big heads that have zero time in a Kr or a light aircraft the fact is if i ran in to some of the folks the put me down for my poor spelling god help them IM Irish and it would be pay back time. I hope to make sun and fun and VA eaa fly in if not that's life give the poor folk a break the Kr wrote the book on economy thats how i made my dream come true if you what to see a kr find somebody on the net and go see it fly maybe a ride mac the knife and im on your six! flymaca711689@aol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 08:40:31 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Painting Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040308084031.007aedc0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <007801c404fe$e15ba360$0300a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 >What is the best way to support the wings for painting? I sure don't >want to have to paint one side, then the other, and somehow get the junction to look like it was intentional. > >Jim Vance ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I made an oversized saw horse and hung the wing by the wing attach fitting on one end and the tiedown bracket on the outboard end. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 08:40:38 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>/ KR design Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040308084038.007af8c0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <000901c404bb$fc0afaf0$0700a8c0@schpankme> References: <3.0.6.32.20040307202339.007b4ac0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 >Why, you make my point exactly, thank you. >With the information currently provided via the KRnet, I can't think of >anyone person building to plans (aren't we promoting the KR series >here). They've all been told bigger is better, or change this and >change that - and your plane is a prime example of someone spending >years of changing a proven design. And your right, if your able to >spend enough time and money Doing that, you'll have something other >than a KR. >I guess from what I've read in your posts that your not actually >promoting the KR design, but your own design, based on your comments? >Actually based on your comments (see below), that the KR plans was a >good starting point, but take your word for it, "my "fantasy world" is >now an "ELF, wizbang" ! Larry A Capps +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I think Rand Robinson said "bigger is better" when they came out with the KR2S. Stretched, wider HS, longer premolded wings, bigger engine recommended, fixed gear, larger canopy for more head room, higher gross weight, etc. The 2S is part of the KR series, right? Using your logic I would be using a quill pen to reply and having the postal service deliver it. As for promoting the KR design I'll include a portion of a post I made several weeks ago that you've obviously forgotten about. Other than the "weight" figure you could probably assume it came directly from a Rand Robinson video. <[From my 14 years exposure to the KR and having just finished building mine and with about 10 hours of air time now I would offer the following observation on what I think would make the "perfect" KR for the "average" builder. It would be a KR2S, plans built, with an engine of approx 100 hp, modest panel with one gyro instrument (artificial horizon), 20 to 25 gal of fuel, Diehl tricycle gear or equivelant, no sound proofing or upholstery, (use a noise cancelling headset) a speed brake or equivelant, with an empty weight of approx 675 pounds.]> The reason my project took so long is that I didn't work on it with a regular schedule. I probably have no more money invested then the average KR. Anyone wanting to save on both time and money and wanting a KR should just buy one. There are plenty for sale and going for less money than you can build one for. Just like Ken's KR1 evolved to the KR2 and then the 2S, my father's Model T evolved to the Oldmobile 88 that I drive and we are all better off for it having happened. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:05:49 -0700 From: "Kevin Angus" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Painting Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Costco sells ($159.00) a four sided 10X20 canopy that assembles in minutes and has a zippered door (zipper is on the out-side), with the standard poles there is about 4" gap around the bottom. The poles are 2.5" in diameter with pins that interlock and everything is powder coated white. To check on a Costco in your town: http://www.costco.com/frameset.asp?trg=info%2Fcostconews%2Flocations%2Flocat ions%2Easp I anchored mine to my asphalt driveway with 6" lag bolts using air tools, took ten minutes for all 6 poles. I can unscrew the lag bolts and move the canopy if I need to, I plan on hanging plastic sheeting around the inside during my painting endeavors, I can disassemble the canopy after and reuse it... Kevin Angus SLC, Utah (KR2 wantabe) -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dana Overall Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:12 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Painting Here's an idea on a paint booth I have seen used. Not really relavent to the initial question, but all the same. Next time one of those travelling tool sales deals rolls through your town, go buy one of the 10' x 20' white tent canopies. You can usually buy them for about $100. These include all the poles. You can also buy the side curtains for something like $49. Lay down some flywood for a floor and cover with a thick mil drop cloth or tarps. Tape all the corners with duct tape, install an exhaust fan and "instant paint booth". In addition to a paint booth you end up with a tent canopy to cook burgers under at the fly-in you host. Give em a place to fly and free food. Get a bunch of KRs, and others. Once again, just a thought. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:20:43 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>some of us dont have RV money! Message-ID: <003701c40529$4ecad450$6501a8c0@Administration> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 You may be able to catch a ride [car or plane, I have both] to the flyin and share room expenses. I have brought people with me to many KR flyins. You can work it out when the time comes and a weekend trip doesn't cut into work schedules[sometimes it make for allot of driving on the weekends]. Stay tuned in and put the word out here when the time comes. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 7:54 AM Subject: KR>some of us dont have RV money! > I dream of going to the Kr gatherings but IM a realest I cant take > that much > time off without a lot of planing and money. IM not willing to give > up my fishing trip money for others and spend that money to fly so > far just to come > back all rag out for others that may piss me off because of there big heads > that have zero time in a Kr or a light aircraft the fact is if i ran > in to some > of the folks the put me down for my poor spelling god help them IM > Irish and > it would be pay back time. I hope to make sun and fun and VA eaa fly > in if > not that's life > > give the poor folk a break the Kr wrote the book on economy thats how > i made > my dream come true if you what to see a kr find somebody on the net > and go see > it fly maybe a ride > > > > > > > mac the knife and im on your six! > flymaca711689@aol > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:37:25 -0500 From: Virgil Salisbury To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>kr2 Message-ID: <20040308.115445.2864.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Do not forget the K R Dinner SnF Friday Night, Virg On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:38:41 EST FIXERJONES@aol.com writes: > well guys, i'm doing my best exposing my kr2, n212kr here in > fla. > since nov. i,ve flown 76 fun filled hrs around the state,to fly > ins, eaa > breakfast,resterants & just goin to little airports hangin out with > whoever has a > hanger open. yes i,ll be at sun&fun a day or two& looking forward to > longer trips > this year. maby even get to go to my 1st kr gathering! the whole > point to me > is to have fun building&then real fun flyin :-) > steve jones, venice fl > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:06:34 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>some of us dont have RV money! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Het! I LOVE the Irish... ;o) Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Flymaca711689@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:54 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>some of us dont have RV money! I dream of going to the Kr gatherings but IM a realest I cant take that much time off without a lot of planing and money. IM not willing to give up my fishing trip money for others and spend that money to fly so far just to come back all rag out for others that may piss me off because of there big heads that have zero time in a Kr or a light aircraft the fact is if i ran in to some of the folks the put me down for my poor spelling god help them IM Irish and it would be pay back time. I hope to make sun and fun and VA eaa fly in if not that's life give the poor folk a break the Kr wrote the book on economy thats how i made my dream come true if you what to see a kr find somebody on the net and go see it fly maybe a ride mac the knife and im on your six! flymaca711689@aol _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:17:33 +0200 From: "Norman Stapelberg" To: "'Orma Robbins'" , "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: <000001c40531$3f82ce50$a0ea1ec4@norman> In-Reply-To: <005601c404ac$39732530$831e4a44@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Good Day I have a friend who owns a kr turboed the motor has a about 400hrs to date only problem that he had was losing the plane during take off resulting in an overhaul of the motor, He is using a RAJAY B025 if that means anything, I'll get more info off my turbo over the weekend for you as well as the cam specs, please note these are used on a Type IV 2.0lt. he uses the following figures 45" during take off and then throttles back to maintain 40" for the climb out reducing it to 30" for the cruise. Note that he has no waste gate installed, you just have to watch the boost gauge. Regards, Norman -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Orma Robbins Sent: 08 March 2004 03:25 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR>Turbocharging a KR Good evening Net With all the hot gas passing lately, it reminded me to ask about turbocharging. My KR started life with a turbo. It was removed before certification due to failure which was my fault. My goal is to create more power. I would like 100 hp and feel that this is only a modest increase to squeeze from my type IV. I need info from any and all turbo'ed KR. Pictures would be nice, and all opinion and discussion is welcomed. Any info with pictures please send off net. I seem to have a couple of turbo's available, both oil cooled. I plan to use a waste gate to control boost pressure. My bird already has a manifold pressure gauge, and oil temp. I have looked at a lot of sand rail web sites and gotten some info. Most of it is not applicable as it relates to an aero engine. I have converted a 2.3 liter car to a turbo intercooled car and love the extra power. Several of the issues that I have considered are: detonation, which can be controlled by use of 100LL and by timing; Compression, which can be reduced with barrel shims; and mixture which can be changed with a different jet. Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:27:32 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Painting wings Message-ID: <410-22004318172732765@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 I have thought about using an engine stand. Has anyone tried this? Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: larry flesner > To: KRnet > Date: 3/8/2004 9:49:59 AM > Subject: Re: KR>Painting > > >What is the best way to support the wings for painting? I sure don't want > to have to paint one side, then the other, and somehow get the > junction to look like it was intentional. > > > >Jim Vance > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I made an oversized saw horse and hung the wing by the wing attach > fitting on one end and the tiedown bracket on the outboard end. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 334, Issue 2 ************************************* ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================