From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 334, Issue 4 Date: 3/8/2004 9:08:19 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Turbocharging a KR (Brian Kraut) 2. Re: Saved my life (Mark Jones) 3. Re: Painting (Brian Kraut) 4. Re: Turbocharging a KR (Orma Robbins) 5. Re: Turbocharging a KR (joe) 6. RST (Dan Heath) 7. Re: Turbocharging a KR (Orma Robbins) 8. Re: Turbocharging a KR (joe) 9. RE: Dana (Dana Overall) 10. RE: Dana/Panel (Dana Overall) 11. Re: Dana/Panel (joe) 12. RE: Turbocharging a KR (Wolfgang Decker) 13. Re: Dana/Panel (Dana Overall) 14. RE: some of us dont have RV money! (Wolfgang Decker) 15. Re: Dana/Panel (joe) 16. O2 and altitudes (Colin & Bev Rainey) 17. Re: Dana/Panel (larry severson) 18. Re: Saved my life (Virgil Salisbury) 19. Battery Size (Larry A Capps) 20. Re: Dana/Panel (joe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:49:24 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: <200403081949.AA297795728@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 I don't know what a KR with a turbo can do, but I did have mine with a normally aspirated 2180VW at about 920 pounds at 11,500 and still able to climb at 400 FPM. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "joe" Reply-To: KRnet Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:06:35 -0800 >I understand the theory and mechanics of turbocharging. >What I don't know is if a Turbo KR can or is certified to >fly at 17500 or higher(there is always the problem of >aircraft limitations). >Joe > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron Eason" >To: "KRnet" >Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:51 PM >Subject: KR>Turbocharging a KR > > >> Here is some thoughts. >> The Advantages of Turbo-Normalizing >> >> >> >> Normally aspirated engines suffer from reduction of manifold pressure >> as they climb, which pilots compensate for by pushing in the >> throttle. At about 7,500 feet the engine runs "out of throttle". As >> the altitude increases, the manifold pressure decreases and the plane >> slows. Flying higher becomes more and more inefficient. >> >> With a turbo-normaling system providing sea level air pressure for >> combustion all the way to high altitude, the loss of power and speed >> is delayed until reaching "the critical altitude". With the my Turbo >> system, critical altitude is 20,000 feet, or so. Advantageously, the >> air speed increases as the skin friction of thinner air density >> decreases. High altitude capability allows the pilot the choice of: >> >> a.. Topping the weather >> b.. Avoiding turbulence >> c.. Maintaining terrain clearance over mountains >> d.. Seeking more favorable headwinds >> e.. Catching tail winds >> f.. More enjoyable clear air and sunshine >> g.. Navigation and communications is better --- longer line of sight >> h.. Obstacle clearance and mountain turbulence, generally 10,000 ft >> in >the >> East and 16,000 feet in the West. >> i.. Safety advantage of altitude: 12,500 to 17,500 have least traffic >> j.. Added safety in an emergency from greater glide time. Area for >> landing increases as the square of the range >> At 6,000' glide is about 7 minutes, 12.5 miles >> >> At 12,000' glide is about 14 minutes, 25 miles >> >> At 18,000' glide is about 21 minutes, 37.5 miles >> >> >> Faster speeds mean less engine time, less avionics time and the >probability >> of less maintenance >> >> Faster speeds mean greater range with the same amount of fuel >> >> High flight makes available smoother ride, colder air -- less icing >> risk >> >> [ I am also using fuel injection and ECU to manage the timing and >> pre-detonation problem.] >> >> That's my thoughts. >> >> KRron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "joe" >> To: ; "KRnet" >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:16 PM >> Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR >> >> >> > What gains, useful load; cruise spd etc does turbo give you(also >> operating >> > altitude) >> > Joe >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Brian Kraut" >> > To: "Orma Robbins" ; "KRnet" >> >> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:20 PM >> > Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR >> > >> > >> > > Dan Diehl did some good articles on turbocharging the VW. I >> > > can't >> > remember exactly where I saw them. I think it was in some of the >> > old KR newsletters that are available online. Anyone remember >> > exactly where >the >> > articles were? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:48:56 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Saved my life Message-ID: <00bb01c40570$4deefb00$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040308163304.02844dc8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" > The Kr is a great plane, but I have a problem with the "regular shop tools" > bit. If you can't buy the various metal parts (control horns, etc.) > off the > shelf, it can't be built with only RSTs. Sorry, but I have to disagree with this statement. I built all of mine with regular shop tools. Example: jig saw, files, hacksaw, hammer, knife, chisel, coping saw, hand held belt sander (used upside down in a vise most of the time), vise, pliers....etc...etc....nothing fancy, just regular shop tools. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:57:46 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Painting Message-ID: <200403081957.AA191168706@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 I cut three pieces of 3/4" X a 1 1/2" wood about 18" long each and used them as legs to stand the wings on. Two were screwed to the wing attach fittings and one was screwed to a piece of angle aluminum that was attached to my nav light mounting surface on the wing tip. They were centered so I could turn the wing over and sit it on the legs in either direction. I painted one side, then turned the wing over when it dried enough so it wouldn't run, but was still tacky. I went around for three coats and couldn't see any kind of seam from one side to the other. I sprayed the leading edge when I did each side so I essentially had six coats on it for better protection. I also used a rope over a rafter in my garage so I could lift the leading edge then pick up the root and flip it without any help. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "JIM VANCE" Reply-To: KRnet Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 05:15:24 -0600 >I've got primer on everything but the wings. It's amazing how much >bigger the bird looks when it is all the same color. > >What is the best way to support the wings for painting? I sure don't >want to have to paint one side, then the other, and somehow get the >junction to look like it was intentional. > >Jim Vance >Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:49:28 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: <005701c40570$615457d0$831e4a44@ROBBINS1> References: <005201c4056a$62e58de0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3><404D0E68.000001.00612@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> <006901c4056d$555933e0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 I plan to use the turbo to gain a small amount of sea level power(25%) and to normalize at altitude. I don't have any plans to fly over 10,500, and should not need oxy. Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:55:49 -0800 From: "joe" To: , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: <008d01c40571$43b81f80$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <200403081949.AA297795728@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Thank you. That is what I'm attempting to find out. Actual performance and gross weight increases using whatever practical means available. The factory specs max 200 cruise 180 have not been presented anywhere I have read as of yet(or better). Thanks again Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 4:49 PM Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > I don't know what a KR with a turbo can do, but I did have mine with a normally aspirated 2180VW at about 920 pounds at 11,500 and still able to climb at 400 FPM. > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "joe" > Reply-To: KRnet > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:06:35 -0800 > > >I understand the theory and mechanics of turbocharging. > >What I don't know is if a Turbo KR can or is certified to fly at > >17500 or higher(there is always the problem of aircraft limitations). > >Joe > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ron Eason" > >To: "KRnet" > >Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:51 PM > >Subject: KR>Turbocharging a KR > > > > > >> Here is some thoughts. > >> The Advantages of Turbo-Normalizing > >> > >> > >> > >> Normally aspirated engines suffer from reduction of manifold > >> pressure as > >> they climb, which pilots compensate for by pushing in the throttle. > >> At about 7,500 feet the engine runs "out of throttle". As the > >> altitude increases, the manifold pressure decreases and the plane > >> slows. Flying higher becomes more and more inefficient. > >> > >> With a turbo-normaling system providing sea level air pressure for > >> combustion all the way to high altitude, the loss of power and > >> speed is delayed until reaching "the critical altitude". With the > >> my Turbo system, > >> critical altitude is 20,000 feet, or so. Advantageously, the air > >> speed increases as the skin friction of thinner air density > >> decreases. High altitude capability allows the pilot the choice of: > >> > >> a.. Topping the weather > >> b.. Avoiding turbulence > >> c.. Maintaining terrain clearance over mountains > >> d.. Seeking more favorable headwinds > >> e.. Catching tail winds > >> f.. More enjoyable clear air and sunshine > >> g.. Navigation and communications is better --- longer line of sight > >> h.. Obstacle clearance and mountain turbulence, generally 10,000 > >> ft in > >the > >> East and 16,000 feet in the West. > >> i.. Safety advantage of altitude: 12,500 to 17,500 have least traffic > >> j.. Added safety in an emergency from greater glide time. Area > >> for landing increases as the square of the range > >> At 6,000' glide is about 7 minutes, 12.5 miles > >> > >> At 12,000' glide is about 14 minutes, 25 miles > >> > >> At 18,000' glide is about 21 minutes, 37.5 miles > >> > >> > >> Faster speeds mean less engine time, less avionics time and the > >probability > >> of less maintenance > >> > >> Faster speeds mean greater range with the same amount of fuel > >> > >> High flight makes available smoother ride, colder air -- less icing risk > >> > >> [ I am also using fuel injection and ECU to manage the timing and > >> pre-detonation problem.] > >> > >> That's my thoughts. > >> > >> KRron > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "joe" > >> To: ; "KRnet" > >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:16 PM > >> Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > >> > >> > >> > What gains, useful load; cruise spd etc does turbo give you(also > >> operating > >> > altitude) > >> > Joe > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Brian Kraut" > >> > To: "Orma Robbins" ; "KRnet" > >> > >> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:20 PM > >> > Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > >> > > >> > > >> > > Dan Diehl did some good articles on turbocharging the VW. I > >> > > can't > >> > remember exactly where I saw them. I think it was in some of the > >> > old KR > >> > newsletters that are available online. Anyone remember exactly > >> > where > >the > >> > articles were? > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > >_______________________________________ > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:57:22 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>RST Message-ID: <404D1672.000001.02168@Computer> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040308163304.02844dc8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 We built our dual stick with RST, if you don't count shopping out the welding.=0D =0D What are RST anyway. Belt sander, Band Saw, Drill Press, Lathe, Table Saw= , Radial Arm Saw, Lincoln Welder.=0D =0D Or is the screwdriver, hammer and hacksaw? =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:02:53 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: <006e01c40572$40f5fcd0$831e4a44@ROBBINS1> References: <200403081949.AA297795728@mail.engalt.com> <008d01c40571$43b81f80$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 The factory specs max 200 cruise 180 Joe the KR-2 as designed with a 2180 cc engine is susposed to do the whole thing. The problem is that very very few KR-2 ever make their first flight at the design empty weight of 450 pounds. Most are over 25% heaver and suffer a nearly equal reduction in performance. Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:07:14 -0800 From: "joe" To: "Orma Robbins" , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: <00ae01c40572$dc53b320$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <200403081949.AA297795728@mail.engalt.com><008d01c40571$43b81f80$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> <006e01c40572$40f5fcd0$831e4a44@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Orma, I understand perfectly, Thanks. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: Re: KR>Turbocharging a KR > The factory specs max 200 cruise 180 > > Joe the KR-2 as designed with a 2180 cc engine is susposed to do the > whole thing. The problem is that very very few KR-2 ever make their > first flight > at the design empty weight of 450 pounds. Most are over 25% heaver > and suffer a nearly equal reduction in performance. Orma L. Robbins > Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR > http://www.aviation-mechanics.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:10:10 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR>Dana Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 In the pictures on Dana's site - his airplane appears to have longer wings. On the other hand, Mike Mim's airplane appears to have substantially shorter wings. Pictures of the these two aircraft are right by each other on the yearbook page http://www.krnet.org/krnet_yearbook.htm sure looks like a big difference. Steve, Just for reference, if I'm thinking correctly Mike used the 23xxx airfoil. Mark, correct me if I'm wrong. I used Diehl wing skins with the aft spar lowered. The Diehl have that false spar on the tip that extends the length of the wing. I flew Tom Crawford's SNF award winning KR and was quite impressed with Dan's skins. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage – 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:13:28 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR>Dana/Panel Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 >From: "joe" >Dana' > Beautiful aircraft and stunning panel. How do you plan >to maintain coordinated flight without a slip indicator. It presented on the Dynon screen. I have a lot more going into my panel, that was just a test piece of 3 layers of 5.7 carbon fiber to test the strength. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:19:49 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Dana/Panel Message-ID: <00bf01c40574$9e3f24a0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 I have a picture of the Dynon screen in front of me from Kitplanes. It says only $1995! Can u tell me the final cost. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: RE: KR>Dana/Panel > >From: "joe" > >Dana' > > Beautiful aircraft and stunning panel. How do you plan to > >maintain coordinated flight without a slip indicator. > > It presented on the Dynon screen. > > I have a lot more going into my panel, that was just a test piece of 3 > layers of 5.7 carbon fiber to test the strength. > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:18:10 -0500 From: "Wolfgang Decker" To: "Ron Eason" , "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Turbocharging a KR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c40568$479325e0$6501a8c0@Administration> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4054A.79E89160" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4054A.79E89160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit j.. Added safety in an emergency from greater glide time. Area for landing increases as the square of the range At 6,000' glide is about 7 minutes, 12.5 miles At 12,000' glide is about 14 minutes, 25 miles At 18,000' glide is about 21 minutes, 37.5 miles If that would be this easy!! The gliding time unfortunately does not in increase in linear fashion. About a year or so ago there was a series of articles in Sports Aviation dealing with the changes in flight characteristics as well as the relation of speed and air pressure at high altitudes. Generally since the air density decreases with increasing altitude you need to fly faster in order to get the required lift, thus your mininum speed or stall speed increases as well. In extreme cases your maximum speed is just about were your stall speed is. Thus, your speed envelope is extremely narrow. For gliding, this means that you may have to glide at a higher speed than what the best glide rate would be, thus loosing performance. All in all though flying at higher altitude gains a lot of advantages. While flying at 18,000 feet at 200 mph IAS you indeed fly about 300 mph or more TAS, all because of the lower air density. 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It >says only $1995! Can u tell me the final cost. Joe, that's it $1995. You can, and I did, get an internal rechargeable battery that lasts for 2 hours plus. The only two options are the battery and a flush mount kit. Bottom line, $1995 for an entire set of instruments at 1.7 lbs including battery. For what it's worth, TruTrack autopilot is coming out with with a solid state turn coordinator for less than $400. I talked to Jim on the phone last week. It is shown in this month's Sport Aviation. They are offering it in 2 1/4 and standard size. They are also incorporating it into there digi...line of autopilot so you end up with a solid state turn coordinator/roll axis solid state autopilot for slightly under 2K. It is designed to attach to a elevator bellcrank...............hum, the KR has a bellcrank!! If you want security in marginal weather, a 2K investment in a tracking wing leveler/turn coordinator just may be your insurance ticket. Sometimes it's nice to let "George" fly the airplane. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:38:35 -0500 From: "Wolfgang Decker" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>some of us dont have RV money! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Good Call, With limited vacation time and a family that demands - and rightfully so - a good share of it, it is nearly impossible to justify more than one big meeting per year, particularly if it is half way across the continent. My destiny each year is OSHKOSH, for the simple reason that it is the most complete gathering of all. Here I do not only meet folks building one or two aircraft types, but can collect information on everything that is related to building your plane at home. Whether it is all the developments around aircraft engines, new building materials, Workshops, Avionics, you name it, it most likely is there. So besides meeting the other folks it gives me the most bang for the buck. I chose to build the KR-2S for several reasons, the most important ones are: 1. Build to Plans: No major expense for purchasing a kit require. I can pay as I go along, and I most likely go along as I can afford it. This may not be the most effective way in doing it, but so be it. 2. Modifications: The simplicity of the design really invites to modifications, after all from what I read and hear the KR-2 is the ancestor of a lot of 'advanced' designs such as the GlasAir. 2. KR-Net: I found this group an extremely good example of comprehensive knowledge and help that this available on the internet. It is with some sorrow that I hear that KR-pilots do not come to the large gatherings. IF would be nice if at least one or two finished KR's show up at Oshkosh this year, as I have already booked my tickets for that show. On the other hand I would certainly take the opportunity to visit a more local fly-in or gathering. Our young Rhode Island Chapter 1363 is currently organizing a fly in for late May, early June. I will keep you posted for the exact dates. Wolfgang Wakefield, RI -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Flymaca711689@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:54 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>some of us dont have RV money! I dream of going to the Kr gatherings but IM a realest I cant take that much time off without a lot of planing and money. IM not willing to give up my fishing trip money for others and spend that money to fly so far just to come back all rag out for others that may piss me off because of there big heads that have zero time in a Kr or a light aircraft the fact is if i ran in to some of the folks the put me down for my poor spelling god help them IM Irish and it would be pay back time. I hope to make sun and fun and VA eaa fly in if not that's life give the poor folk a break the Kr wrote the book on economy thats how i made my dream come true if you what to see a kr find somebody on the net and go see it fly maybe a ride mac the knife and im on your six! flymaca711689@aol _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:44:34 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Dana/Panel Message-ID: <00d401c40578$135a0ea0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Dana, Thans for the info. Have been racking my brains for the past several weeks looking at the Dynon against several EFIS hand held computers because of the moving map flight planning additions. However had already decided on Dynon as more trustworthy and professional. Info on TruTrack is helpful was ready to investigate Navaid. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Re: KR>Dana/Panel > >From: "joe" > >I have a picture of the Dynon screen in front of me from Kitplanes. > >It says only $1995! Can u tell me the final cost. > > > Joe, that's it $1995. You can, and I did, get an internal > rechargeable battery that lasts for 2 hours plus. The only two > options are the battery and a flush mount kit. > > Bottom line, $1995 for an entire set of instruments at 1.7 lbs > including battery. > > For what it's worth, TruTrack autopilot is coming out with with a > solid state turn coordinator for less than $400. I talked to Jim on > the phone last week. It is shown in this month's Sport Aviation. > They are offering it in 2 1/4 and standard size. They are also > incorporating it into there digi...line of autopilot so you end up > with a solid state turn coordinator/roll axis solid state autopilot > for slightly under 2K. It is designed to attach to a elevator > bellcrank...............hum, the KR has a bellcrank!! If you want > security in marginal weather, a 2K investment in a > tracking wing leveler/turn coordinator just may be your insurance > ticket. Sometimes it's nice to let "George" fly the airplane. > > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! > (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:44:10 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>O2 and altitudes Message-ID: <007f01c40578$053d14c0$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 16 Ok no-one has touched it so I will. After any flight on continuous time of over 30 minutes above 12,500 feet = oxygen is required. Above 14,000 feet it is required full time for all = pilot(s) and required crew members. Above 15,000 feet it must be = AVAILABLE for the passengers. So if you acquire a simple canula and a = bottle, and want you mother in law to pass out, just have an extra = fitting, fly at 14K and let her go! Just kidding. Now the AIM = recommends that O2 be used above 8000 feet during the day, and 5000 feet = at night, due to the greater effect that oxygen has on our rods vs. = cones. These lower altitudes are recommendations based on studies of = average condition that people are in begin to exhibit symptoms of sight = deteoration. Second point: flights above 18000feet or FL180 MUST be on an IFR = flight plan, so if your KR is not IFR certified, or even if it is but = you have not filed, tough luck running up there with the big boys. I too want to turbo for "normalizing" not for increased = performance below 3000 feet. But, that will have to wait.... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom kr2jm@d-web.com Mon Mar 08 19:25:45 2004 Received: from www.d-web.com ([158.222.106.2] helo=dweb.d-web.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1B0XsG-0003Sn-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:25:44 -0800 Received: from [158.222.224.196] (host-224-196.dialup.innercite.com [158.222.224.196]) by dweb.d-web.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id i293Axtk005727for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:10:59 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:15:07 -0800 From: Jim Morehead To: KR- Net Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Subject: KR>Battery Size X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Netters, What battery is recommended for a Revmaster 2100 D engine? What =B3cold Cranking Amperage=B2 is recommended? Thanks, Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:23:09 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Dana/Panel Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040308192147.0283f318@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 >Joe, that's it $1995. You can, and I did, get an internal rechargeable >battery that lasts for 2 hours plus. The only two options are the battery >and a flush mount kit. > >Bottom line, $1995 for an entire set of instruments at 1.7 lbs >including >battery. Not exactly. If you want full advantage of the system, you also need to add their pitot system at $195 + a mount kit at $95. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:31:09 -0500 From: Virgil Salisbury To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Saved my life Message-ID: <20040308.233530.3964.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Fred Keller in Alaska built the first plans built with RST's, Virg On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:35:32 -0800 larry severson writes: > The Kr is a great plane, but I have a problem with the "regular shop > tools" > bit. If you can't buy the various metal parts (control horns, etc.) > off the > shelf, it can't be built with only RSTs. > > >If it even gets one KR to a fly-in where 200 people can have a look > at > >what you can build with a set of plans and regular shop tools, then > it was > >worth my time. > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:59:36 -0600 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: KR>Battery Size Message-ID: <000601c40593$521d4d80$0700a8c0@schpankme> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 19 12 volt, 18 amp battery, with an maximum alternator charging rate of 20 amp will be sufficient. Larry A Capps Naperville, IL "There’s a fine line between hobby and mental illness" -----Original Message----- Netters, What battery is recommended for a Revmaster 2100 D engine? What ³cold Cranking Amperage² is recommended? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:09:46 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Dana/Panel Message-ID: <000501c40594$bdc63a00$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040308192147.0283f318@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Thanks Larry I saw that on their website. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Re: KR>Dana/Panel > > >Joe, that's it $1995. You can, and I did, get an internal > >rechargeable battery that lasts for 2 hours plus. The only two > >options are the battery > >and a flush mount kit. > > > >Bottom line, $1995 for an entire set of instruments at 1.7 lbs > >including battery. > > Not exactly. If you want full advantage of the system, you also need > to add > their pitot system at $195 + a mount kit at $95. > > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 334, Issue 4 ************************************* ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================