From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 339, Issue 1 Date: 3/13/2004 11:54:38 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Blind anchor resource web site (Ron Eason) 2. Re: Carb icing & size (cgardn628) 3. Aileron deflection (Colin & Bev Rainey) 4. Re: Aileron deflection (Mark Langford) 5. Re:gps (lounsbur@midmaine.com) 6. Re:gps (lounsbur@midmaine.com) 7. WESTECH Instruments AIR,OIL,V/A (Stan Campbell) 8. Re: Re:gps (Brian Kraut) 9. product liability (joe) 10. smooth wings (larry severson) 11. To Ron re-KR-2 seats (Graham & Ruth Strout) 12. Re: keeping it light (bobby mccullough) 13. RE: Aileron deflection (Brian Kraut) 14. KR-2S fuselage length and width 15. KR-2S fuselage length and width (Linda Warner) 16. Frozen Carby (Stephen Jacobs) 17. Re: Aileron deflection (Mac McConnell-Wood) 18. KR-2S fuselage length and width (larry flesner) 19. Re: Re:gps (Orma Robbins) 20. Re: Aileron deflection (cgardn628) 21. Re: smooth wings (Jim Morehead) 22. Re: smooth wings (Dennis Mingear) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:29:23 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Blind anchor resource web site Message-ID: <017801c40870$b4fc9cf0$6501a8c0@Administration> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0174_01C4083E.6A280A20" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0174_01C4083E.6A280A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.Pennfast.com check them out. KRron ------=_NextPart_000_0174_01C4083E.6A280A20 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eason Sr.;Ronald;R. FN:Ronald R. Eason Sr. NICKNAME:Ron ORG:J.R.L. 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X-WAB-GENDER:2 URL;WORK:http://jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:ron@jrl-engineering.com REV:20040312T202923Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0174_01C4083E.6A280A20-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:16:53 -0500 From: "cgardn628" To: , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Carb icing & size Message-ID: <009701c40877$57782ac0$6601a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> References: <000701c40747$6a11a430$2c0101c0@ate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 To the intake air , in my opinion , Serge. would be the most effective way to eliminate it where it forms... in the throat of the venturi . I also use preheated air from inside the cowling and then raise the temperature further with an exhaust muff around one exhaust pipe. Maybe your carb ( what type ?) is not as prone to icing as others and doesn't require any additional heat but some do. This is good insurance in any case. Regards Chris Gardiner C-GKRZ ...KR2S 100 hours in the air. VW2180 with Zenith carb. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:01 AM Subject: RE: KR>Carb icing & size > <. So yes Serge apply heat.> > > OK. To the intake air, or to the carb body? > > Serge Vidal > KR2 ZS-WEC > - Taildragger, VW powered (2.4 liter, dual electronic ignition) > - Total aircraft time: 390h > - Aircraft hangared at: Orleans, France > - Pilot moaning in: Tunis, Tunisia > E-mail: serge.vidal@ate-international.com > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:34:34 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Aileron deflection Message-ID: <001401c40879$d05e9120$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Ok gang, searched the archives back for 6 years and did not find a post = about the degrees of deflection that should be able to be made at the = aileron once it is hooked up to the bellcrank. I have an angle gauge = that I can use to check both sides and make sure that the design amount = of deflection is being achieved. It seems very shallow right now, and = there are 2 holes for mounting the bellcrank rod, so I would like to be = able to check them. Can someone with a plans built tell me what the = plans call for in angle of deflection, or inches of movement above the = trailing edge and then below, so that I can check my aileron geometry = please. I have not been able to address this previously because this is = the first time she has had her wings on to stay. The reason I ask is = that when disconnected there is ALOT more motion available for both the = ailerons and the stick. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom N56ML@hiwaay.net Fri Mar 12 13:47:56 2004 Received: from smtp.knology.net ([24.214.63.101] helo=smtp2.knology.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1B1uVY-0001bZ-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:47:56 -0800 Received: (qmail 32442 invoked by uid 542); 12 Mar 2004 21:40:23 -0000 Received: from N56ML@hiwaay.net by smtp3.knology.net by uid 502 with qmail-scanner-1.20 ( Clear:RC:1(24.214.88.148):. Processed in 0.031258 secs); 12 Mar 2004 21:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO basement) (24.214.88.148) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 21:40:23 -0000 Message-ID: <0ae501c4087a$cfe35130$1202a8c0@basement> From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" References: <001401c40879$d05e9120$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Subject: Re: KR>Aileron deflection Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:41:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Colin wrote: > Ok gang, searched the archives back for 6 years and did not find a > post about the degrees of deflection that should be able to be made at the aileron once it is hooked up to the bellcrank.< That's highly classified information, found only on page 59 of the KR2 construction manual: up 30 degrees, down 20 degrees. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:42:42 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Aileron deflection Message-ID: <0ae901c4087a$f2ae7b90$1202a8c0@basement> References: <001401c40879$d05e9120$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Whoops, that was elevator, you said aileron, which is up 20, down 10. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:39:36 -0500 From: "lounsbur@midmaine.com" To: KRnet , Subject: KR>Re:gps Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040312162044.02596100@pop3.norton.antivirus> In-Reply-To: <006201c402c8$ea6d4180$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <006201c402c8$ea6d4180$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 >since it is Friday I will post this and see if anyone has any intrest. >I >have just upgraded to a garmin 196 and would like to sell my garmin 90. >It is in excellent condition and has been upgraded with the latest >database. I have the original box that it came in with the yolk mount >(never used) remote antenna cable 12voltadapter power cable inst >book,cloth case. I would like 150.00 if ther is any intrest please email >me or call 207 794 6450. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:39:36 -0500 From: "lounsbur@midmaine.com" To: KRnet , Subject: KR>Re:gps Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040312162044.02596100@pop3.norton.antivirus> In-Reply-To: <006201c402c8$ea6d4180$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <006201c402c8$ea6d4180$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 >since it is Friday I will post this and see if anyone has any intrest. >I >have just upgraded to a garmin 196 and would like to sell my garmin 90. >It is in excellent condition and has been upgraded with the latest >database. I have the original box that it came in with the yolk mount >(never used) remote antenna cable 12voltadapter power cable inst >book,cloth case. I would like 150.00 if ther is any intrest please email >me or call 207 794 6450. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:53:21 -0800 (PST) From: Stan Campbell To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>WESTECH Instruments AIR,OIL,V/A Message-ID: <20040312215321.16874.qmail@web60310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 I have 3 WESTECH Instruments:Air Temp+Oil Temp+AMP/Volt 2 1/4" Gauges for sale. All are in like new condition. Model 2A3-3 Outside Air Temp. W/Model 3990T Probe. Model 2A9-2 Oil Temperature. W/Model 3999 Probe. Model 2DA10-18 Volt/Ampere Combination Gauge. Aircraft Spruce sells these for a total of $223. Your price $100. Contact me at scrambellreno@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:12:02 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Re:gps Message-ID: <200403121812.AA82182358@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 I will take it Kip if you bring it with you the next time you come to Florida. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "lounsbur@midmaine.com" Reply-To: KRnet Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:39:36 -0500 > >>since it is Friday I will post this and see if anyone has any intrest. >>I >>have just upgraded to a garmin 196 and would like to sell my garmin 90. >>It is in excellent condition and has been upgraded with the latest >>database. I have the original box that it came in with the yolk mount >>(never used) remote antenna cable 12voltadapter power cable inst >>book,cloth case. I would like 150.00 if ther is any intrest please email >>me or call 207 794 6450. > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:48:19 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>product liability Message-ID: <004101c4088c$7f43a600$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 In a previous email, legal advice regarding possible ways in which to sell or distribute KR products was addressed as a possible future alternative to the current method (i.e. Rand). I expressed caution as to the special laws concerning the purchase of an aircraft co. or intent to get around this law by = distribution methods. I was informed by some august attorney that this was gibberish. SO for all who may be interested I am placing an URL in this email of a description of the US law vs Australian laws which = makes for simpler reading explaining this unique Congressional legislation concerning this subject: http://www.rarmlaw.com/Comparison_US_Oz.htm# ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:48:59 -0800 From: larry severson To: brian.kraut@engalt.com, KRnet Subject: KR>smooth wings Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040312154101.028069e8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200403121812.AA82182358@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 A couple months ago, information was published on how to get smooth wings. He said that you should make dry micro ( dry enough to stand up - not slump) and apply it all over to a depth of 1/8-1/4 inches and then sand it down to level, removing all of the depressions. That was well and good, except I was unable to get it to lay down. all I got was a mess. Yesterday, I found out what was left out in the information - isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol). After you get that super dry micro mixed, add the alcohol slowly until you get the consistency that you need for your application (runny for thin, soupy for thicker). During the cure, the alcohol will evaporate leaving just what you want, a firm sandable micro surface that is extremely light and doesn't shrink like Bondo. Made and applied it yesterday; sanded it today - WOW! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:54:03 +1030 From: "Graham & Ruth Strout" To: Subject: KR>To Ron re-KR-2 seats Message-ID: <005401c40891$7dbaf0e0$4e0157cb@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 Thanks for all your replys. Thats given me something to work with. Ron, = I accidently deleted your email and address. I'm interested in, and = would like to see what you had also designed. Could you please forward = the sling design and details to strout@riverland.net.au (Renmark,South = Australia)From N56ML@hiwaay.net Fri Mar 12 17:12:22 2004 Received: from smtp.knology.net ([24.214.63.101] helo=smtp2.knology.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1B1xhN-0004a1-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:12:21 -0800 Received: (qmail 13314 invoked by uid 542); 13 Mar 2004 01:04:49 -0000 Received: from N56ML@hiwaay.net by smtp3.knology.net by uid 502 with qmail-scanner-1.20 ( Clear:RC:1(24.214.88.148):. Processed in 0.032691 secs); 13 Mar 2004 01:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO basement) (24.214.88.148) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 13 Mar 2004 01:04:49 -0000 Message-ID: <0cdc01c40897$5f6142b0$1202a8c0@basement> From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" References: <005401c40891$7dbaf0e0$4e0157cb@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: KR>To Ron re-KR-2 seats Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:06:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Graham wrote: > Thanks for all your replys. Thats given me something to work with. > Ron, I accidently deleted your email and address.< Any time you'd like to see a recent (or not-so-recent) KRnet message, you can read them at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . For more KRnet information, check http://www.krnet.org/info.html . Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:03:48 +0000 From: "bobby mccullough" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>keeping it light Message-ID: Content-Type: text/html MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12



>From: "Dan Heath"
>Reply-To: KRnet
>To: "krnet@mylist.net"
>Subject: Re: KR>keeping it light
>Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:48:28 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>
>RE: Perhaps this should be the method on the top of the wing
>
>This is the first and only time that I have ever heard of the skin on the
>wing ballooning up. It may be just something about the way it was built. I
>never had that happen to me on the Little Beast. I wouldn't get too
>concerned about it and change the way you make the wings, until you get more
>evidence, unless you just want to.
>

De-laminated wing skins was a problem with some early KR's. It was discovered that

the builders had closed the wings up so well that they could not vent internal

pressure at altitude. The cure was to drill weep holes on the bottom of the wing.

 


One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – download MSN Toolbar now! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:42:18 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Aileron deflection Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c40879$d05e9120$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 It does appear surprisingly shallow when you put the wings on. I seem to remember that the tailing edge at the root moved up about 3/4" and down less than a half inch on mine. As Mark pointed out 10 degrees down and 20 degrees up is correct. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Colin & Bev Rainey Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:35 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR>Aileron deflection Ok gang, searched the archives back for 6 years and did not find a post about the degrees of deflection that should be able to be made at the aileron once it is hooked up to the bellcrank. I have an angle gauge that I can use to check both sides and make sure that the design amount of deflection is being achieved. It seems very shallow right now, and there are 2 holes for mounting the bellcrank rod, so I would like to be able to check them. Can someone with a plans built tell me what the plans call for in angle of deflection, or inches of movement above the trailing edge and then below, so that I can check my aileron geometry please. I have not been able to address this previously because this is the first time she has had her wings on to stay. The reason I ask is that when disconnected there is ALOT more motion available for both the ailerons and the stick. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html______________________________________ _ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:07:23 EST From: FlashyAllen@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR-2S fuselage length and width Message-ID: <159.2ff49e2b.2d83d4eb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 I'm just starting in on a KR-2S/TD? and have been on the net for a coupe of weeks now. I've noted several recommendations to lengthen the fuselage @ 2'. What is the recommended/prefered method? I have seen the following: 1: add one more bay in the aft fuselage - gain - 14" 2: add 2" or 3" to each of the seven bays behind the aft spar - gain - 14" or 21" adding 3" per bay, to 17" seems to be a little much to me. Another possibility would be to add one bay and increase each bay by 1" - gain - 14" + 8" or a total of 22" As to the width in the cockpit, is bumping it out to 40" or 42" (preferred, I'm a big one) at the top and 36" at the bottom reasonable? I've also noted a recommendation to carry the max. width to the trailing edge (Sta. I) for aerodynamic reasons. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2S/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia. CT 06401 (203) 732-0508 flashyallen@aol ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:15:52 -0500 (EST) From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR-2S fuselage length and width Message-ID: <2297-40528AF8-2380@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-16319-1292 MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Precedence: list Message: 15 --WebTV-Mail-16319-1292 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Don't forget.... if you are building a KR2S, the fuselage is already streched 14" aft of the cabin. If you want any more than that, adding 1" to each bay would net you 14 more inches. John Sickafoose Naple, Fl --WebTV-Mail-16319-1292 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-3216.bay.webtv.net (209.240.204.176) by storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from lizard.esosoft.net (lizard.esosoft.net [66.113.66.18]) by smtpin-3216.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id D387011DD9; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1B1zc8-00060b-02; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:15:04 -0800 Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.7]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1B1zc6-00060W-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:15:02 -0800 Received: from FlashyAllen@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37.4.) id g.159.2ff49e2b (4012) for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:07:23 -0500 (EST) From: FlashyAllen@aol.com Message-ID: <159.2ff49e2b.2d83d4eb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:07:23 EST To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>KR-2S fuselage length and width X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive I'm just starting in on a KR-2S/TD? and have been on the net for a coupe of weeks now. I've noted several recommendations to lengthen the fuselage @ 2'. What is the recommended/prefered method? I have seen the following: 1: add one more bay in the aft fuselage - gain - 14" 2: add 2" or 3" to each of the seven bays behind the aft spar - gain - 14" or 21" adding 3" per bay, to 17" seems to be a little much to me. Another possibility would be to add one bay and increase each bay by 1" - gain - 14" + 8" or a total of 22" As to the width in the cockpit, is bumping it out to 40" or 42" (preferred, I'm a big one) at the top and 36" at the bottom reasonable? I've also noted a recommendation to carry the max. width to the trailing edge (Sta. I) for aerodynamic reasons. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2S/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia. CT 06401 (203) 732-0508 flashyallen@aol _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --WebTV-Mail-16319-1292-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:38:25 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: KR>Frozen Carby Message-ID: <000001c408d6$922442d0$6764a8c0@homedesktop> In-Reply-To: <004101c4088c$7f43a600$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Further to our recent discussion - particularly for those with converted car engines, a comprehensive and useful article on carb ice: (http://www.experimental-aviation.com/carb_ice.html The magazine appears to be Ok as well Steve J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:20:16 -0000 From: "Mac McConnell-Wood" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Aileron deflection Message-ID: <031101c408ed$427d5d40$4dee403e@tinypc> References: <001401c40879$d05e9120$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: KR>Aileron deflection Having just gone through this thanks to a picky inspector I have made a former gauge so you can check aileron range of movement from the inboard edge of the aileron. The range comes out to 35mm down and 65mm up measured from the stub trailing edge centreline. Regards Mac McConnell-Wood Hampshire England UK or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html_______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:20:08 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>KR-2S fuselage length and width Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040313072008.008675a0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <159.2ff49e2b.2d83d4eb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 > I'm just starting in on a KR-2S/TD? and have been on the net for a >coupe >of weeks now. >I've noted several recommendations to lengthen the fuselage @ 2'. What is >the recommended/prefered method? I have seen the following: >Allen G. Wiesner KR-2S/TD S/N 1118 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My KR2 is stretched 2 feet and uses the standard KR2 size tail feathers. The KR2S design increased the size of the tail surfaces ( I think, I'v e not seen the plans) and that should make the 14" stretch all you need. That will also help you keep your CG forward. I wish mine were a few inches wider but if you are going to use premolded components you have some limits there, especially with the canopy. You might look at reshaping the fuselage to make the widest part at the sholders. That would also hold the fuselage width to the trail edge of the wing and help with aerodynamics also.Other builders that have widened there fuselage can help you more in that area. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:09:30 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Re:gps Message-ID: <004d01c4090d$318ee650$422ed445@ROBBINS1> References: <006201c402c8$ea6d4180$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20040312162044.02596100@pop3.norton.antivirus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 has been upgraded with the latest >database I also have a Garmin 90 and was recently told that Garmin no longer supported the 90 and that upgrades were no longer available because the memory storage in the 90 was now too small for the data. If this is not true, where can I get my 90 updated. Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:23:03 -0500 From: "cgardn628" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Aileron deflection Message-ID: <001a01c4090f$169772c0$6601a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> References: <001401c40879$d05e9120$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Colin, You may also find that adding a washer ( 3/16 flat) between the rod end and the aileron control arm will help get the required deflection. I know because I re-discover this each time I re-install the wings each season . Without the washer, the rod end will bind on the arm at the end of it's travel each way. My aileron geometry is exactly to plans in this area so I'm sure many of us has experienced this binding. Regards Chris Gardiner KR2S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:34 PM Subject: KR>Aileron deflection Ok gang, searched the archives back for 6 years and did not find a post about the degrees of deflection that should be able to be made at the aileron once it is hooked up to the bellcrank. I have an angle gauge that I can use to check both sides and make sure that the design amount of deflection is being achieved. It seems very shallow right now, and there are 2 holes for mounting the bellcrank rod, so I would like to be able to check them. Can someone with a plans built tell me what the plans call for in angle of deflection, or inches of movement above the trailing edge and then below, so that I can check my aileron geometry please. I have not been able to address this previously because this is the first time she has had her wings on to stay. The reason I ask is that when disconnected there is ALOT more motion available for both the ailerons and the stick. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html_______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:40:29 -0800 From: Jim Morehead To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>smooth wings Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040312154101.028069e8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 21 Larry and Netters, Are you using straight isopropyl alcohol or rubbing alcohol which is 91% alcohol and 9 % water? Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA Just made reservations for Mt. Vernon, IL. See you there. on 3/12/04 3:48 PM, larry severson at larry2@socal.rr.com wrote: > A couple months ago, information was published on how to get smooth > wings. He said that you should make dry micro ( dry enough to stand up > - not > slump) and apply it all over to a depth of 1/8-1/4 inches and then sand it > down to level, removing all of the depressions. That was well and good, > except I was unable to get it to lay down. all I got was a mess. Yesterday, > I found out what was left out in the information - isopropyl alcohol > (rubbing alcohol). After you get that super dry micro mixed, add the > alcohol slowly until you get the consistency that you need for your > application (runny for thin, soupy for thicker). During the cure, the > alcohol will evaporate leaving just what you want, a firm sandable micro > surface that is extremely light and doesn't shrink like Bondo. Made and > applied it yesterday; sanded it today - WOW! > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:04:28 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>smooth wings Message-ID: <20040313180428.98560.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 22 For those who have a copy of Zeke Smith's "Understanding Aircraft Composite Construction" he descibes this process on page 9-23. For those that don't have the book he suggested adding about 5% isopropyl alchohol to a dry micro mix. The combination dries quickly. That problem was solved by keeping a spray bottle of rubbing alcohol nearby and wetting the surface during the application of the micro. Makes a light pumice like material that sands out very nicely. Denny ... Jim Morehead wrote: Larry and Netters, Are you using straight isopropyl alcohol or rubbing alcohol which is 91% alcohol and 9 % water? Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA Just made reservations for Mt. Vernon, IL. See you there. on 3/12/04 3:48 PM, larry severson at larry2@socal.rr.com wrote: > A couple months ago, information was published on how to get smooth > wings. He said that you should make dry micro ( dry enough to stand up > - not > slump) and apply it all over to a depth of 1/8-1/4 inches and then sand it > down to level, removing all of the depressions. That was well and good, > except I was unable to get it to lay down. all I got was a mess. Yesterday, > I found out what was left out in the information - isopropyl alcohol > (rubbing alcohol). After you get that super dry micro mixed, add the > alcohol slowly until you get the consistency that you need for your > application (runny for thin, soupy for thicker). During the cure, the > alcohol will evaporate leaving just what you want, a firm sandable micro > surface that is extremely light and doesn't shrink like Bondo. Made and > applied it yesterday; sanded it today - WOW! > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spamFrom BABYWOLF@aol.com Sat Mar 13 11:48:51 2004 Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.6]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1B2F7r-000Ffu-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:48:51 -0800 Received: from BABYWOLF@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37.4.) id g.51.3be93135 (3940) for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:41:18 -0500 (EST) From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Message-ID: <51.3be93135.2d84bddd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:41:17 EST Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S fuselage length and width To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I stretched my kr2s fuslage at both ends. If I were to do it again I would redraw the sides taking into consideration where the scarfs in the 4 ft pannels go. I made extra work for my self by not thinking about it and drawing it out first. adding inches to the bays may cause more problems than adding a bay ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 339, Issue 1 ************************************* ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================