From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 10 Date: 7/4/2004 12:47:52 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: want to unsubscribe? (Doug Rupert) 2. Re: Stall warnings (larry severson) 3. Re: Re: "DOG-CUSSING" (Ray Fuenzalida) 4. RE: Cockpit fresh air supply (Brian Kraut) 5. Stall Warnings plans (ricksilvia) 6. Re: want to unsubscribe? (Pat Driscoll) 7. RE: Yahoo groups feature list (Stephen Jacobs) 8. Re: Cockpit fresh air supply (Kenneth B. Jones) 9. Cockpit fresh air supply (larry flesner) 10. project Brian sold (larry flesner) 11. Fwd: Re: KR> want to unsubscribe? (Linda Warner) 12. Re: project Brian sold (StRaNgEdAyS) 13. RE: project Brian sold (Brian Kraut) 14. Re: project Brian sold (Steve and Lori McGee) 15. Re: wing incidence (Mark Langford) 16. list problems (Mark Langford) 17. Harley motors (Stephen Jacobs) 18. Re: Harley motors (StRaNgEdAyS) 19. RE: Harley motors (Stephen Jacobs) 20. Re: project Brian sold (Allen G. Wiesner ) 21. Re: Harley motors (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 22. Bendix mags (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 23. (no subject) (Pat Driscoll) 24. RE: Harley motors (StRaNgEdAyS) 25. Harley motors (larry flesner) 26. Harley / Corvair / fake mud (larry flesner) 27. Re: wing incidence (larry flesner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 00:22:26 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> want to unsubscribe? To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <019401c4617e$8c91de80$5b04e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark: I once had a customer called Carborundum Corporation and the Traffic Manager had a sign on his desk that would be quite apropos about now. Now anyone with thin skin quit reading right now. Sign read "Don't let the bastards grind you down". Oh yeh, National Carborundum makes sandpaper and grinding wheels for those who don't know. Doug ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:23:18 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Stall warnings To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040703211802.0248db68@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The latest issue of Kitplanes (August 2004) has a "Wind Tunnel" article by Barnaby Wainfan that explains the importance of angles in aircraft design and flight performance. It talks about stall indirectly, but mentions directly the reason why a number of the faster O-200 powered KR2s fly nose low, why this is not beneficial, and the fix. >RE: Angle of attack is the relative wind (not the path of the airplane >through the air) > > Thanks, Larry, now I understand what made that work that way. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 21:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: Re: KR> Re: "DOG-CUSSING" To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040704044436.48671.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All I can say is "DITTO". Ray --- Dick Goff wrote: > Hi Mark, I want to add my "THANK YOU" for a job well > done!! It is > really unfortunate that some KR Builders will not > appreciate the time > and effort put forth, by you. They want to complain, > but, I'll bet they > wouldn't volunteer to run it. Once again, Thank You > Mark. > Dick Goff > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 01:01:24 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Cockpit fresh air supply To: "KRnet" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dan, I had a Vista vent and it really worked great. It is part number 11-03500 in the AC Spruce catalog. You can probably find a picture on their web site. It is a round plexiglass vent that rotates and it has a bent out part that scoops in the air. At first I was concerned that it would cause a lot of drag when open, but with it half way closed in the lowest drag condition I saw no difference than with it all the way open. There are pictures of it on my web site at www.engalt.com/kr2.htm. Here are some pictures of the vents on the project I just sold. I like these a lot also. The NACA duct ran into fiberglass tubes that went to the vents on the sides of the panel. http://pictures.sprintpcs.com/guest/guest_book_photo.jsp;jsessionid=aaa-zbK6 -OZE5z?machineid=wmtp003&shareName=photo&invite=GEvJ2r8Q7hactLb7okLL&shareNa me=Photo http://pictures.sprintpcs.com//share.jsp?invite=tEQJ258T7haTU8ik88ux&shareNa me=Photo Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 6:32 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Cockpit fresh air supply No, not hot air, I have plenty of that. How are you, who have gotten to that point, doing your fresh air supply for the cockpit. I was going to use snap vents in the side of the fuselage, but, have decided that the uncovered part of the hole is too large. I am thinking of those little swivel things like they have on the airliners or something like that. I am interested in everything from the intake to the outlet. Thanks in advance. "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:05:19 -0700 From: "ricksilvia" Subject: KR> Stall Warnings plans To: Message-ID: <00ca01c46184$82ad7680$80f734cc@Oren> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello On the Australian Volksplane plans site was a set of plans for a cheap stall warning as it was presented to the Australian equivalent of the FAA. My two cents How many pilots go in because they don't realize how close to a stall they are. The cross wind turn still gets some every year. Any kind of warning is good. Isn't getting a new home built in the air about adjusting and tweaking. Rick ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 00:06:38 -0500 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: Re: KR> want to unsubscribe? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006a01c46184$b02c7f20$470a5292@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Saw the same sign on a desk and put it on my hard hat (This was about 40 years ago). The sign read "Illigit non carborundum" (Don't let the bastards grind you down) Pat Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Saint Paul, MN ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 08:42:59 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Yahoo groups feature list To: , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001001c46192$29ad28b0$cb64a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm not willing to return to ANYTHING Yahoo provides and then denies without notice Larry A Capps Naperville, IL +++++++++++++++++ I have been (tried to be) a member of various Yahoo groups over recent years = ExperimentalAvionics = GP-4 = Innodyn (Imagine a turbine KR) = jabiruengines = Q-LIST I cannot remember two straight weeks without some hassle or other - often more frustration then they are worth. When they do work - the moderating (on some) is really poor. Other than still being a bit sad that our intrepid moderator booted Glynnis into touch - I think the KR facility is extremely well managed. It is without doubt the most useful and constructive site of its kind and a significant contributor to the success of the airplane. By direct comparison, the KRnet and its services /facilities has been bullet proof for ages - the last hiccup was corrected before most of us even knew the problem existed. I am with Larry AC on this one. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:26:36 -0400 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Cockpit fresh air supply To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <023e01c461b9$c4a75080$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> The Vista Vent P/N is 13-03500. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" > Dan, I had a Vista vent and it really worked great. It is part number > 11-03500 in the AC Spruce catalog. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 06:36:24 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Cockpit fresh air supply To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040704063624.008d6490@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well > I know one thing, putting a NACA scoop on the pilot end of the >fuselage doesn't work, so I guess you should not do that. Daniel R. >Heath - Columbia, SC +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following two pictures show where mine are located. They don't put very much air into the cockpit at higher angles of attack like on climbout. They do provide some fresh air at cruise but it's not overwhelming. I could use more air inlet although once I'm moving I've never found myself sweating, at least not from the heat. :-) http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/02092588.jpg http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/flesner/brakes1.jpg I also found last winter that I really didn't need any cabin heat to be comfortable. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 07:20:06 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> project Brian sold To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040704072006.008dde70@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The project Brian recently sold will end up in a hangar next to mine here in southern Illinois. It will most likely fly someday with a Harley Davidson engine. Speaking of Harleys, did you know they sell a spray for your new leathers that gives you bug stains, etc. so you don't look like a "newbee" at the get-togethers. I wonder if that would make me look like an old time at the Gathering. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 08:26:50 -0400 From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Fwd: Re: KR> want to unsubscribe? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <18924-40E7F78A-6508@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark.... My sentiments exactly. You're doing a fine job with the KR net and we all appreciate it. Don't let a few hot heads Pee you off. Now, I too, must unsubscribe. But not because I'm ticked off. It's just the time of year we start our annual trek up north where we end up in Oshkosh and help put Airventure on. We hope to see many of you there this year. I help out driving the "welcome wagon" around up there. They are cut down vans and we help take you home builders to registration etc when you arrive. Any of you needing anything while there have but to call me and I'll do what I can for you. Have a good summer and maybe I'll see you all at the gathering. >John Sickafoose, (co-chairman.. welcome wagon at Oshkosh.) Naples, Fl >cell # 239-821-4396 ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:00:42 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> project Brian sold To: Message-ID: <40E7FF7A.000001.03456@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry wrote: "Speaking of Harleys, did you know they sell a spray for your new leathers that gives you bug stains, etc. so you don't look like a "newbee" at the get-togethers." OMG!!! and I thought I'd seen it all! What's next? Fake mud for your 4WD? On a more interesting note, I did consider running an inverted EVO as my engine, it's already dry sumped, it can run direct drive to the prop and will generate sufficient horsepower. I'm stull holding onto that idea, but for now the Corvair engine is on the top of the list. Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:29:36 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> project Brian sold To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And it will be the coolest sounding KR as it taxis up to the ramp. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of larry flesner Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:20 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> project Brian sold The project Brian recently sold will end up in a hangar next to mine here in southern Illinois. It will most likely fly someday with a Harley Davidson engine. Speaking of Harleys, did you know they sell a spray for your new leathers that gives you bug stains, etc. so you don't look like a "newbee" at the get-togethers. I wonder if that would make me look like an old time at the Gathering. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:25:51 -0500 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" Subject: Re: KR> project Brian sold To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004801c461d2$cf18c530$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As it shakes apart. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: RE: KR> project Brian sold > And it will be the coolest sounding KR as it taxis up to the ramp. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of larry flesner > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:20 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> project Brian sold > > > > > The project Brian recently sold will end up in a hangar next to mine > here in southern Illinois. It will most likely fly someday with a > Harley Davidson engine. > > Speaking of Harleys, did you know they sell a spray for your new > leathers that gives you bug stains, etc. so you don't look like > a "newbee" at the get-togethers. I wonder if that would make me > look like an old time at the Gathering. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:40:40 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> wing incidence To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <03f501c461d4$e0fe4de0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry Severson wrote: > The latest issue of Kitplanes (August 2004) has a "Wind Tunnel" article by > Barnaby Wainfan that explains the importance of angles in aircraft design > and flight performance. It talks about stall indirectly, but mentions > directly the reason why a number of the faster O-200 powered KR2s fly nose > low, why this is not beneficial, and the fix. I didn't see the words "KR2" or "0-200" anywhere in that article, so maybe they make a special version of Kitplanes for us slow southern readers. What I did see was validation of exactly what I've been saying about the KR having too much incidence for the high speeds that we are now running at, and too much decalage which leads to even more drag. There's more on this at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kopinion.html , down near the middle. I'll try to get permission from Kitplanes to post this article so everybody can read it. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:55:21 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> list problems To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <03fc01c461d6$efd9f1f0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" KRnetHeads, Thanks for all the kind words of encouragement. Maybe I over-reacted regarding switching list servers. The list started "eating" about one out of three or four posts, and this went on for weeks until I pitched enough of a fit to get it fixed. It turns out it was attributed to Jurgen signing up on the list, and the umlauts in his name led to messages disappearing. Sounds flaky to me! Then somebody unsubscribed and the whole subscriber list got unsubscribed along with them due to a bug, which was bad enough, but they were able to resubscribe everybody, but the most recent backup of the subscriber settings was from FOUR months ago, so people who had their mail on "hold" or had switched to the digest or whatever, started emailing me that something was screwed up, and I just got bent out of shape over it all, especially when I'm accused of throwing somebody off because I must not have liked something they said yesterday. One more nagging thing that they've NEVER been able to fix is preventing ALL attachments. The only way I've been able to handle attachments is with a 10k size limit. They've given it one more try though, so maybe even that's fixed now. But if you guys don't mind this thing acting up every now and then, and don't blame it on me, I'll stick with it. Of that list that Ameet posted, Mailman will do the first 9, and I'm using every one of them. The rest of the list I can live without, and I hate advertising and pop-ups more than just about anybody on the planet (Google Toolbar fixed that one though), not to mention spam. But one thing is going to change. Not a day goes by that I don't get 2 or 3 complaints or administrator messages that a message is being held for my "approval" that contains attachments, or is absolutely huge because the entire digest is quoted in it, and I'm getting tired of messing with them. I used to explain to the folks that you can't send attachments, and that there is a size limit to keep people from quoting the entire digest in their replies, etc, etc. I'm tired of wasting my time on that stuff when it clearly states these rules in the "Welcome to KRnet" message. And then there are all those folks who are convinced that I've suddenly "locked" them out of the list, but the reality is that they changed email addresses and forgot to subscribe under their new address. And there are those who send their messages in HTML format with smiley faces, nice backgrounds, and all sorts of other graphics attached to each message, but wonder why their messages are too big to make it through the size filter, despite getting an administrative message that explains that their message is too big. And then there are the endless "unscrebe me" messages posted to the list, that defy all explanation. These kinds of problems are going to go unanswered (if I stay in the mood I'm in right now)...they'll have to figure it out themselves. I'm simply too selfish with my time to deal with this stuff while my airplane sits waiting on me to finish it. I guess I'm just ventilating again. Just call me "drama queen". I'm going back to work... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 18:04:09 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: KR> Harley motors To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000801c461e0$8e06b7b0$3264a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I did consider running an inverted EVO as my engine, it's already dry sumped, it can run direct drive to the prop and will generate sufficient horsepower ++++++++++++++++++ Hey Pete - what is an EVO? I would have assumed that it was a Hog engine but you mention a dry sump. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 03:25:01 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> Harley motors To: Message-ID: <40E83D6D.000003.03456@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve J.: The EVO is short for the H.D. Evolution engine (from 1986 -1998/9?) It's a darned side less shaky than the Shovel, and about 200% more reliable to boot I'm pretty sure all H.D. engines are dry sump engines, forced lubrication supplied by pump from an external tank. (There sure ain't no room in that tiny crankcase for a sump) Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 20:17:59 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Harley motors To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c461f3$401dab90$2a64a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm pretty sure all H.D. engines are dry sump engines, forced lubrication supplied by pump from an external tank. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks Pete I really wish this is true, but I am struggling to see it. Where does the lube go - the pump has to scavenge from somewhere? I saw potential in two engines Hz opposed (laying on their side) driving a common shaft through one-way needle roller clutches. Therefore twin engine reliability in a single engine and the weight was about right. I dropped the idea coz I thought the motors would have to be vertical and upright in tandem. The current breed of Harley motors come equipped with EFI and put out impressive numbers without being forced - a re-drive improves things and could be incorporated in the common drive shaft. What is a shovel? Take care Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:21:38 -0400 From: "Allen G. Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> project Brian sold To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003c01c461f3$c01782d0$61eb4345@CPQ25208480116> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Harleys don't vibrate, they are in tune with celestial music. >As it shakes apart. > And it will be the coolest sounding KR as it taxis up to the ramp. >It will most likely fly someday with a Harley Davidson engine. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:21:01 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Re: KR> Harley motors To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040704.142102.512.0.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone ever consider the goldwing 1500 or 1800 engine, it would need a reduction unit and of course it's water cooled, but it may be an alternative to the subbie. On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 03:25:01 +1000 "StRaNgEdAyS" writes: > Steve J.: > The EVO is short for the H.D. Evolution engine (from 1986 -1998/9?) > It's a > darned side less shaky than the Shovel, and about 200% more reliable > to boot > > I'm pretty sure all H.D. engines are dry sump engines, forced > lubrication > supplied by pump from an external tank. (There sure ain't no room in > that > tiny crankcase for a sump) > Cheers. > Peter Bancks > strangedays@dodo.com.au > http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com > http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:26:36 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: KR> Bendix mags To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040704.142636.512.1.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm thinking about going back to aviation plugs as I can't get rid of the static I have with Joe's auto plug conversion from Revmaster. I thought I had it liked but in flight it is still pretty annoying. If I get a new harness what's involved with installing it into the 2000 series bendix dual mags. I never had the mags apart as of yet. Thanks!! ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 13:55:27 -0500 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: KR> (no subject) To: "KR Mailing list" Message-ID: <003d01c461f8$9d7fd240$1e40d240@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, Get back to work Pat Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Saint Paul, MN ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 05:22:38 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: RE: KR> Harley motors To: Message-ID: <40E858FE.000007.03456@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve J asked: "What is a shovel?" The pre 1986 Harley engines were described as to the appearance of the top of their engines. The top end of the knucklehead had 2 knuckle like ends where the valve gear went, the panhead had a pan type cover and the top of the shovelhead looked like a shovel blade sitting on top of the engine. It's been a while since I had one apart, most of the bikes (almost all in fact) I've worked on were jappas, but I'm pretty certain the lubrication is pumped through the crank from an externally mounted tank, the pump is driven directly from the crankshaft and scavenged in a similar manner. I'll see what info I can find on it for you. Cheers Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:40:35 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Harley motors To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040704144035.0079c750@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >The EVO is short for the H.D. Evolution engine (from 1986 -1998/9?) It's a >darned side less shaky than the Shovel, and about 200% more reliable to boot > >I'm pretty sure all H.D. engines are dry sump engines, forced lubrication >supplied by pump from an external tank. (There sure ain't no room in that >tiny crankcase for a sump) > Peter Bancks ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I believe the engine used by "Hog Air" is the balanced engine that they quit building a few years back. They still had a demand for the engine so I believe they put it back in production as an after market item. It's not sold in their bikes any more. And yes, it has a dry sump. He is using a reduction drive and the engine fit in the Zenair 601 rather nicely. His first engine was approx 80 hp and the latest one installed is approx 100 to 110 hp. He will have the 80 hp version at Oshkosh mounted to a powered parachute trike for demos. Needless to say he takes considerable bad-mouthing about a Harley engine in an airplane. At an airport cookout a few weeks ago the tower contoller came down for a hotdog and I asked him (with everyone present , of course) if he sent the grounds maintenance personel out to check for an oil slick on the runway after the Harley landed. It's a good thing Bret has a sense of humor or I might have had my body cavities stuffed full of hotdogs!! Larry Flesner -Offical "Hog Air" test pilot and I have a tee shirt to prove it. ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:41:18 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Harley / Corvair / fake mud To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040704144118.007a0320@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >OMG!!! and I thought I'd seen it all! What's next? Fake mud for your 4WD? >On a more interesting note, I did consider running an inverted EVO as my >engine, it's already dry sumped, it can run direct drive to the prop and >will generate sufficient horsepower. I'm stull holding onto that idea, but >for now the Corvair engine is on the top of the list. > Peter Bancks ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ GREAT idea on the fake mud. Mind if I run with that? As for the Harley / Corvair deal, I'd stick with the Corvair for now. The Harley has a bit to go to prove out and the Corvair is way out front on smoothness. It sure does sound COOL though !!!!!!!!!!!! I'll ask him to bring one to the Gathering. Bring your leathers and I'll get some of the "bugs in a can" spray. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:41:34 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> wing incidence To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040704144134.007a1900@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What >I did see was validation of exactly what I've been saying about the KR >having too much incidence for the high speeds that we are now running at, >and too much decalage which leads to even more drag. >Mark Langford, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= The article gave me a perfect mental picture that explains the reason I need more and more back stick pressure, with neutral trim, as the speed builds in cruise. I'd sure like to get an in-flight closeup picture of the KR at cruise to check out the elevator deflection. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 10 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================