From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 11 Date: 4/2/2004 12:56:03 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: N56ML first flight report! (Joseph H Horton) 2. $8000.00 for it. Is this to much to pay? (Dan Heath) 3. 6061-T6 (John Esch) 4. 6061-T6 I have some (Steve and Lori McGee) 5. wing failure (j stevens) 6. RE: Kr2 Wanted (Doug Rupert) 7. RE: $8000.00 for it. Is this to much to pay? (Brian Kraut) 8. Re: N56ML first flight report! (Ross Youngblood) 9. Flying Mercury Panel Truck (Ross Youngblood) 10. KR2 Purchase (Larry A Capps) 11. scientific blue book of KR values (Dan Heath) 12. KR Blue Book (Orma Robbins) 13. KR2 Purchase (rhartwig11@juno.com) 14. Re: scientific blue book of KR values (Mark Langford) 15. Friday Truisms..........just having a little Friday Fun (Dana Overall) 16. RE: KR Blue Book (Brian Kraut) 17. RE: scientific blue book of KR values (Brian Kraut) 18. Re: T5 aluminum (Ray Fuenzalida) 19. Re: scientific blue book of KR values (Brian G. Douglas) 20. RE: T5 aluminum (Wood, Sidney M.) 21. RE: Flying Mercury Panel Truck (Doug Rupert) 22. RE: Friday Truisms..........just having a little Friday Fun (Doug Rupert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:32:54 -0500 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: Re: KR> N56ML first flight report! To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040401.203254.-640311.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mark, congratulations, You have made a remarkable recovery from the fire several years ago. As they say " The Sky is the Limit" Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:07:32 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> $8000.00 for it. Is this to much to pay? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <406CCAE4.000007.00436@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Pends. If he was scared of it, why? If it has a retract, you will want to change it. How clean is it? What condition is the motor in? Without looking at it, I guess that it is probably too much, but it could also be a real steal. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:54:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: John Esch Subject: KR> 6061-T6 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <29732636.1080874461262.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Howdy All Long time no writing to the list since I just rejoined after a long absence of playing in the sand and readjusting to home life. Been working on the Corvair for my KR-2S and seem to be stalled on both right now due to parts. Some of you have already seen this next question but I have been looking all over the internet but keep coming up short for 6061-T6 Tee stock material for my rudder control horn. Anyone have a source for 6061-T6 Tee stock? I need to get my website back up and running so I can document my progress on the KR. I really need to get moving on my project just in case I get called up again. John Esch jfesch@earthlink.net KR-2SSW 7S5 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:18:56 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" Subject: KR> 6061-T6 I have some To: "John Esch" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <000f01c41861$3c97c450$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am the lucky owner of not T stock, but H beam that can be cut into T or even channel. I have not said anything at first as I did not know if it would sell as you need to cut it, but hey , you are cutting anyway right? They are 53 inches long and great for clamping spars and whatever togther with. An H beam is like I beam only it stays the same thickness in the sides, not thicker by the bridge. This stock is 1.25 across the sides, and 1.38 across the inner bridge. 1.31 would be possible after a saw kerf. The thickness of all 3 areas is between .104 and .110 These were intended for use where I work, but they were purchased too short and I was able to get a release for some. If this will be in demand I will need to get more as I will only sell about 6 of what I have. You need 4 to clamp spars. I would have to get $25 a piece plus shipping. Thats about $6 a foot. Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:30:09 -0600 From: j stevens Subject: KR> wing failure To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <406CDE41.4040001@usfamily.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi all I want to warn everyone that a problem exist with the current wing attachment . I was flying at 3000 ft and put the craft into a high speed stall attitude when I noticed the right wing was vibrating. I set the bird straight and level but it was too late the wing broke off and I spiraled to the ground. Thank goodness I installed a brs or I would be here today to tell you all what the problem is. After getting on the ground I realized that the problem was that It was April 1st!!!! thanks Mark for the heads up :) Joel ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:45:41 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Kr2 Wanted To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <00db01c41864$f8b42bd0$9df5e2d1@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Peter: Define almost complete. Getting ready to part with my 1960 Mercury panel truck and get back to flying. Doug Rupert Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+drupert=sympatico.ca@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+drupert=sympatico.ca@mylist.net] On Behalf Of peter Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:46 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Kr2 Wanted I know it's not what you asked for but I'm planning to sell my KR-2 project that is almost complete. I'm in Ridgecrest CA about 225 miles north of you. Any interest? I'm planning to post a list of what it has and how far along things are as soon as I get the post together. For starters theres a revmaster 2100d, instuments,radio,transponder lights, etc. I may part it out too. -Peter- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:06 AM Subject: KR> Kr2 Wanted > I am in San Diego, CA. and am looking for a FLYING Kr2 to buy. > > Ryan > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:04:11 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> $8000.00 for it. Is this to much to pay? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here is my very scientific blue book of KR values finely honed from years of watching what KRs sell for. Basic KR1 $6,500 Basic KR2 $8,000 Basic KR2S $9,000 Values are basic VFR instruments with no gyros and one nav/com. VW 1800-1900 for the KR1, and VW 2180 for 2 or 2S. Based on well built flying KR with average paint and under 300 hours and retract gear. add Diehl or Grove fixed gear +$1,000 add wheel pants +$300 Continental or Lycoming engine +$2,000 Not currently flying -$1,000 or more depending on condition add transponder +$500 very nice paint and interior +$500 needs repainting -$500 cruise speed over 160 MPH +$500 cruise speed under 140 MPH -$500 required lights for night flight +$400 I base these prices on what I have seen KRs sell for. I need to add that for what it costs in time and money to build one and for the fun, performance, and economy you get out of a KR that they should sell for at least $5,000 more. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:08 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> $8000.00 for it. Is this to much to pay? Pends. If he was scared of it, why? If it has a retract, you will want to change it. How clean is it? What condition is the motor in? Without looking at it, I guess that it is probably too much, but it could also be a real steal. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:00:57 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> N56ML first flight report! To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 Died Laughing!!! Don't the vise grip handles poke you in the arm? That's the problem I have. I get bruises from them. - Ross On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:00:47 -0600, Mark Langford wrote: > Some of y'all might have noticed no updates to my site lately. That's > because I've been busy flying N56ML! I got tired of messing around > with paint, so I got a case of white Rustoleum spray cans from Walmart and > just > got the paint job thing behind me. It looks "good enough for KR". > Bolted > in some inertia reel seatbelts from an old Karmann Ghia, used Vice-Grips > for > the canopy latches. Got it signed off last week (he didn't notice the > missing latches), and flew it for the first time on Saturday. > > Not much to tell so far, other than it flys like a dream, has a top > speed of > 235 mph straight and level, and stalls at 38 mph with full "barndoor" > flaps. > No pitch sensitivity at all. Climb rate is an amazing 3000 fpm. Great > flying plane, hands off! > > And let's not forget that it's April Fools Day, so you can't really > trust anything anybody says or writes on the Internet anyway. You > never know when somebody might be joking with you... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML at hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:18:12 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR> Flying Mercury Panel Truck To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 > Peter: Define almost complete. Getting ready to part with my 1960 > Mercury > panel truck and get back to flying. > Doug Rupert > Ontario Canada What is the TBO on the engine in your Mercury Panel Truck... also what is the stall speed? Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:31:39 -0600 From: "Larry A Capps" Subject: KR> KR2 Purchase To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002701c41873$c62d74f0$0700a8c0@schpankme> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As a note: No where in the regs does it say anything about having built a specific percentage, the word or symbol for percent, does not exists in the regs. Larry A Capps Naperville, IL "No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously" -----Original Message----- I believe the rule states that as long as 51% of the plane is built by amateurs it can get experimental certification ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:03:29 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> scientific blue book of KR values To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <406D4881.000001.02864@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't like to "me too" posts, but this one definitely deserves a "ME TOO". We get this question all the time and this really lays it out. I think we could take this Blue Book and add a few things to look for and a recommendation to get a KR builder or technical counselor to look at it, and we should put it on the KR-Net. If y'all (southern for yous guys) don't think that is appropriate, I will put it on kr-builder. Great post, Brian. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 04/01/04 23:05:09 To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> $8000.00 for it. Is this to much to pay? Here is my very scientific blue book of KR values finely honed from years of watching what KRs sell for. Basic KR1 $6,500 Basic KR2 $8,000 Basic KR2S $9,000 Values are basic VFR instruments with no gyros and one nav/com. VW 1800-1900 for the KR1, and VW 2180 for 2 or 2S. Based on well built flying KR with average paint and under 300 hours and retract gear. add Diehl or Grove fixed gear +$1,000 add wheel pants +$300 Continental or Lycoming engine +$2,000 Not currently flying -$1,000 or more depending on condition add transponder +$500 very nice paint and interior +$500 needs repainting -$500 cruise speed over 160 MPH +$500 cruise speed under 140 MPH -$500 required lights for night flight +$400 I base these prices on what I have seen KRs sell for. I need to add that for what it costs in time and money to build one and for the fun, performance, and economy you get out of a KR that they should sell for at least $5,000 more. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:09:59 -0500 From: "Orma Robbins" Subject: KR> KR Blue Book To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <019601c418ab$6c940250$e33ed445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK net THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO START A DISCUSSION (AGRUMENT)!! Over the years meny project and completed KR's have been posted for sale. I don't seem to recall seeing the final sale price being posted in our public forum. Some of you out there in KR land have purchased your craft and maybe collectively you should get together and make a list of the registration status, tail number, hours flown, damage history, type equipment, and finally the price paid. There are probably more then one KR owner that has paid more then the suggested Blue Book and would be insulted to think anyone would recommend that their value is that limited. My realestate training tells me that sellers always think that the price they will recieve for their house is the listing price. The truth is that they usually recieve a lot less then the listing price. On rare occasions determined purchasers pay more then the going rate, because it is something that they want. Any attempt to place a value on the KR should at least be based on what has actually been sold. I feel that this kind of information would be useful to someone wanting to purchase a KR or KR project. If the real sales figures were published, Netters would see that some KR's sell for pennies while others have sold for as much as $16000.00 and maybe even more. THE ARGUEMENTS CAN NOW START!! Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:13:11 -0600 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> KR2 Purchase To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040402.061311.3456.1.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Larry, You are correct, 51% is not in the regs. 51% is just the "rule" the FAA uses for judging if a kit qualifies for homebuilt status. Just trying to make the point that the person who finishes and gets an experimental aircraft certified does not have to do more than half the work. Dick Hartwig Waunakee, WI rhartwig11@juno.com >As a note: No where in the regs does it say anything about having built a >specific percentage, the word or symbol for percent, does not exists in the >regs. >Larry A Capps >Naperville, IL ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:24:54 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> scientific blue book of KR values To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003d01c418ad$812215c0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan wrote: > I don't like to "me too" posts, but this one definitely deserves a "ME TOO". > We get this question all the time and this really lays it out. I > think we > could take this Blue Book and add a few things to look for and a > recommendation to get a KR builder or technical counselor to look at > it, and > we should put it on the KR-Net. I think it's a great idea. I asked Brian last night if he'd mind if I posted his list to the KRnet website, and he said that'd be great, and speculated that there would be enough replies to add a lot more to it over the next few days. So by all means, let's hear some more guidelines and specific numbers, and I'll cook up a web page that includes it all. We could also point it to Jeff Scott's "Shopping for the partially built KR" article at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kronline9.html . I'd love to just point people to a web page that answers all the questions the next time the subject arises! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:18:41 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: KR> Friday Truisms..........just having a little Friday Fun To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Truisms for pilots No matter what else happens, fly the airplane. Forget all that stuff about thrust and drag, lift and gravity; an aeroplane flies because of money. It's better to be down here wishing you were up there, than up there wishing you were down here. If you're ever faced with a forced landing at night, turn on the landing lights to see the landing area. If you don't like what you see, turn' em back off. A check ride ought to be like a skirt, short enough to be interesting but still be long enough to cover everything. Speed is life, altitude is life insurance. No one has ever collided with the sky. Always remember you fly an airplane with your head, not your hands. Never let an airplane take you somewhere your brain didn't get to five minutes earlier. Don't drop the aircraft in order to fly the microphone. An airplane flies because of a principle discovered by Bernoulli, not Marconi. "Unskilled" pilots are always found in the wreckage with their hand around the microphone. If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger; if you pull the stick back, they get smaller. (Unless you keep pulling the stick back-then they get bigger again.) Hovering is for pilots who love to fly but have no place to go. The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire. Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first! Everyone already knows the definition of a 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. But very few know the definition of a 'great' landing. It's one after which you can use the airplane another time. The probability of survival is equal to the angle of arrival. IFR: I Follow Roads. You know you've landed with the wheels up when it takes full power to taxi. Those who hoot with the owls by night, should not fly with the eagles by day. A helicopter is a collection of rotating parts going round and round and reciprocating parts going up and down - all of them trying to become random in motion. Helicopters can't really fly - they're just so ugly that the earth immediately repels them. Pilots believe in clean living. They never drink whiskey from a dirty glass. Things which do you no good in aviation: Altitude above you. Runways behind you. Fuel in the truck. Half a second ago. Approach plates in the car. The airspeed you don't have. If God meant man to fly, He'd have given him more money. What's the difference between God and fighter pilots? God doesn't think he's a fighter pilot. Flying is not dangerous; crashing is dangerous. A good simulator check ride is like successful surgery on a corpse. Asking what a pilot thinks about the FAA is like asking a tree what it thinks about dogs. Trust your captain but keep your seat belt securely fastened. An airplane may disappoint a good pilot, but it won't surprise him. Any pilot who relies on a terminal forecast can be sold the Brooklyn Bridge. If he relies on winds-aloft reports he can be sold Niagara Falls. The friendliest flight attendants are those on the trip home. Good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment. Being an airline pilot would be great if you didn't have to go on all those trips. Aviation is not so much a profession as it is a disease. The nicer an airplane looks, the better it flies. There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately, no one knows what they are. It's a good landing if you can still get the doors open. Passengers prefer old captains and young flight attendants. The only thing worse than a captain who never flew as copilot is a copilot who once was a captain. It's best to keep the pointed end going forward as much as possible. If an earthquake suddenly opened a fissure in a runway that caused an accident, the FAA would find a way to blame it on pilot error. Any attempt to stretch fuel is guaranteed to increase headwind. A thunderstorm is never as bad on the inside as it appears on the outside. It's worse. It's easy to make a small fortune in aviation. You start with a large fortune. A male pilot is a confused soul who talks about women when he's flying, and about flying when he's with a woman. A fool and his money are soon flying more airplane than he can handle. The last thing every pilot does before leaving the aircraft after making a gear up landing is to put the gear selection lever in the 'down' position. Try to keep the number of your landings equal to the number of your takeoffs. Takeoff's are optional. Landings are mandatory. You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:16:48 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> KR Blue Book To: "Orma Robbins" , "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not wanting to insult anyone that paid more, I will restate and expand on something I stated yesterday. Even though a lot of KRs sell in the under $10,000 range I do feel that they are worth at least $5,000 more considering the plane that you get. You would be very hard pressed to buy or build anything that has the same speed, economy, safety, and is anywhere near as much fun to fly as a KR for the same price. I don't think that anyone that has paid more for an existing KR or has spent more money and years of work building one should ever look back and think they paid to much. Once you fly it you realize that if it cost you $20,000 you got your moneys worth. The sad reality is that resale values are much lower on a KR because the rest of the aviation world just dosn't know any better. Another opinion that you are all free to agree or disagree with is that building a KR or finishing a project should be a labor of love and an effort to have a plane that is exactly what you wanted. If you want to build something that you can sell for a profit build an RV. If you want the pride of flying a plane that you scratch built and put your heart and soul in build a KR. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Orma Robbins Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:10 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> KR Blue Book OK net THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO START A DISCUSSION (AGRUMENT)!! Over the years meny project and completed KR's have been posted for sale. I don't seem to recall seeing the final sale price being posted in our public forum. Some of you out there in KR land have purchased your craft and maybe collectively you should get together and make a list of the registration status, tail number, hours flown, damage history, type equipment, and finally the price paid. There are probably more then one KR owner that has paid more then the suggested Blue Book and would be insulted to think anyone would recommend that their value is that limited. My realestate training tells me that sellers always think that the price they will recieve for their house is the listing price. The truth is that they usually recieve a lot less then the listing price. On rare occasions determined purchasers pay more then the going rate, because it is something that they want. Any attempt to place a value on the KR should at least be based on what has actually been sold. I feel that this kind of information would be useful to someone wanting to purchase a KR or KR project. If the real sales figures were published, Netters would see that some KR's sell for pennies while others have sold for as much as $16000.00 and maybe even more. THE ARGUEMENTS CAN NOW START!! Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:17:28 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> scientific blue book of KR values To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" N93PC flying condition when bought original retracts GP 2180 118 hours total time good condition basic day VFR one nav/com no transponder average paint and interior mechanical cable brakes Paid $8,000 and put in about $6,000 more to make it exactly the way I wanted it and never regretted it. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:25 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> scientific blue book of KR values Dan wrote: > I don't like to "me too" posts, but this one definitely deserves a "ME TOO". > We get this question all the time and this really lays it out. I > think we > could take this Blue Book and add a few things to look for and a > recommendation to get a KR builder or technical counselor to look at > it, and > we should put it on the KR-Net. I think it's a great idea. I asked Brian last night if he'd mind if I posted his list to the KRnet website, and he said that'd be great, and speculated that there would be enough replies to add a lot more to it over the next few days. So by all means, let's hear some more guidelines and specific numbers, and I'll cook up a web page that includes it all. We could also point it to Jeff Scott's "Shopping for the partially built KR" article at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kronline9.html . I'd love to just point people to a web page that answers all the questions the next time the subject arises! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:25:38 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: Re: KR> T5 aluminum To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040402192538.90478.qmail@web42004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Question for the group. What about marine grade aluminum? I have a friend in the aluminum boat building business. I can get virtually any size/configuration metal from him. Is it acceptable? How is T-5 or T-6 different? Are we just talking thicknesses? Some kind of core inner strength? Ray A long **^&%$^*& way from being finished. Mark Langford wrote: Steven Phillabaum wrote: > On the aluminum list posted I stated T-5 for hinge and horns. Wicks > and ACS does not carry them. My father gave me a name of a supplier.( can't locate name at this time) I called and spoke to him. He does not have T5. OK what to do? MARK, what did you use if you did not find T5. I will need to make the horns but using Dr. Deans method of hinges.< Just use T-6, it's stronger anyway. Not sure why anybody would specify T5, when T6 is more plentiful and stronger in utimate and yield anyway. Are you sure you're not thinking of T651? That's pretty much the same thing as T6, as I recall. I used T6, and most other folks probably did too, whether they knew it or not. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:46:21 -0600 From: "Brian G. Douglas" Subject: Re: KR> scientific blue book of KR values To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002b01c418eb$33accb80$bdd01840@youryk5cbmeeo8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" N8575C KR2 (TD) Revmaster 2100 heads VERY broken 352 TT Escort. NavCom Loran, xponder w/alt encode. 3 way trim well instrumented, Builder did a GREAT JOB putting the aircraft together. Second owner did not have a clue and ground looped it twice and it sat outside for a while. No weather damage. needed paint and TLC $7000.00 cash wanted 8 took 7 sooooo Brian G. Douglas Killeen Texas PS now am half done fitting diel tri gear! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: RE: KR> scientific blue book of KR values > N93PC > flying condition when bought > original retracts > GP 2180 > 118 hours total time > good condition > basic day VFR > one nav/com > no transponder > average paint and interior > mechanical cable brakes > > Paid $8,000 and put in about $6,000 more to make it exactly the way I wanted > it and never regretted it. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:46:50 -0500 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> T5 aluminum To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Aircraft Spruce & Specialty catalog has three pages of definitions and characteristics for aluminum alloy. More than you will ever need to know for building a KR Aircraft. If all else fails, read the directions (in the plans). Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD Sidney.wood@titan.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Ray Fuenzalida Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:26 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> T5 aluminum Question for the group. What about marine grade aluminum? I have a friend in the aluminum boat building business. I can get virtually any size/configuration metal from him. Is it acceptable? How is T-5 or T-6 different? Are we just talking thicknesses? Some kind of core inner strength? Ray A long **^&%$^*& way from being finished. Mark Langford wrote: Steven Phillabaum wrote: > On the aluminum list posted I stated T-5 for hinge and horns. Wicks > and ACS does not carry them. My father gave me a name of a supplier.( can't locate name at this time) I called and spoke to him. He does not have T5. OK what to do? MARK, what did you use if you did not find T5. I will need to make the horns but using Dr. Deans method of hinges.< Just use T-6, it's stronger anyway. Not sure why anybody would specify T5, when T6 is more plentiful and stronger in utimate and yield anyway. Are you sure you're not thinking of T651? That's pretty much the same thing as T6, as I recall. I used T6, and most other folks probably did too, whether they knew it or not. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:53:40 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Flying Mercury Panel Truck To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c418f4$b34cacd0$756cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good one Ross. Never worried about it since back then they were built to last and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Doug -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Ross Youngblood Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:18 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Flying Mercury Panel Truck > Peter: Define almost complete. Getting ready to part with my 1960 > Mercury > panel truck and get back to flying. > Doug Rupert > Ontario Canada What is the TBO on the engine in your Mercury Panel Truck... also what is the stall speed? Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:53:40 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Friday Truisms..........just having a little Friday Fun To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000301c418f4$cd626100$756cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dana: Obviously you've never had to depend on a helicopter for your life. I've come home in birds so shot full of holes that no fixed wing on the planet could keep flying and walked away (well sort of) as well as everyone on board except the one who was already dead when placed aboard. Largest problems with helicopters are: 1. 1 hour of flight equals 4 hours of maintenance. 2. too damn many things that can go wrong. 3. Army Aviators will drink anything containing alcohol from any container clean or dirty, the alcohol disinfects it. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+drupert=sympatico.ca@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+drupert=sympatico.ca@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dana Overall Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:19 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Friday Truisms..........just having a little Friday Fun Truisms for pilots Hovering is for pilots who love to fly but have no place to go. A helicopter is a collection of rotating parts going round and round and reciprocating parts going up and down - all of them trying to become random in motion. Helicopters can't really fly - they're just so ugly that the earth immediately repels them. Pilots believe in clean living. They never drink whiskey from a dirty glass. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/dire ct/01/ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 11 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================