From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 11 Date: 7/4/2004 5:23:21 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: list problems (Allen G. Wiesner ) 2. RE: Harley motors (larry flesner) 3. Re: Harley motors (Allen G. Wiesner) 4. RE: Harley motors (Doug Rupert) 5. RE: Harley motors (Doug Rupert) 6. RE: Harley motors (Doug Rupert) 7. Updates (Colin & Bev Rainey) 8. For Brian K. (Ron Smith) 9. Re: Harley motors (pculver@sirinet.net) 10. Re: Bendix mags (larry flesner) 11. Re: Harley motors - seriously now (Steve and Lori McGee) 12. Re: Harley motors (Wesley Scott) 13. Re: Updates (Dan Heath) 14. Re: wing incidence (Mark Langford) 15. virus (larry flesner) 16. Question about 5/8 spruce (Ron Smith) 17. Re: virus (Ron Smith) 18. Re: Question about 5/8 spruce - conduit passing through (Dan Heath) 19. Re: Fwd: Re: KR> want to unsubscribe? (Alex Swavely) 20. Re: Stall Warnings plans (larry severson) 21. Re: wing incidence (larry severson) 22. RE: list problems (Ron Freiberger) 23. RE: Harley motors (StRaNgEdAyS) 24. Re: Question about 5/8 spruce (StRaNgEdAyS) 25. Harley motors/PSRU's (larry flesner) 26. wing incidence (larry flesner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:45:31 -0400 From: "Allen G. Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> list problems To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000101c46200$635b8200$5bec4345@CPQ25208480116> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark: Here's an offer you can't refuse. If anybody ever gets you REALLY P.O.'ed, let me have their address and I'll reach out and tap them on the shoulder with a M-1C at a thousand yards or so :-). Anyhow, keep up the good work. >Not a day goes by that I don't get 2 or 3 complaints >And then there are all those folks who are convinced that I've suddenly >"locked" them out of the list, but the reality is that they changed >email addresses and forgot to subscribe under their new address. And >there are those who send their messages in HTML format with smiley >faces Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:53:58 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: RE: KR> Harley motors To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040704145358.008eccc0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >What is a shovel? >Steve J +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That's the tool you use to bury a Harley but let's not go there !! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:02:18 -0400 From: "Allen G. Wiesner" Subject: Re: KR> Harley motors To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002601c46201$d0103930$5bec4345@CPQ25208480116> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Harleys are like radials; they don't leak, they're marking their territory! >Needless to say he takes considerable bad-mouthing about a Harley >engine in an airplane. At an airport cookout a few weeks ago the tower >controller came down for a hotdog and I asked him (with everyone >present, of course) if he sent the grounds maintenance personnel out to >check for an oil slick on the runway after the Harley landed. It's a >good thing Bret has a sense of humor or I might have had my body >cavities stuffed full of hotdogs!! Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:35:15 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Harley motors To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <009f01c46206$6d4bb360$ae3cd0d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oil is actually pumped from the sump to the filter then back to the tank and then to the engine by an oil pump located on the right (as you sit on the bike) side of the engine just behind the cam cover. Doug I've worked on were jappas, but I'm pretty certain the lubrication is pumped through the crank from an externally mounted tank, the pump is driven directly from the crankshaft and scavenged in a similar manner. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:35:15 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Harley motors To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <00a001c46206$6f0d1270$ae3cd0d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have but can't seem to find out what they weigh or the torque and horsepower figures. The Honda Valkrye would also be a fine candidate as I believe they use the same engine. Any motorcycle salvage yard would be an excellent place to look. Doug Rupert Anyone ever consider the goldwing 1500 or 1800 engine, it would need a reduction unit and of course it's water cooled, but it may be an alternative to the subbie. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:35:15 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Harley motors To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <00a101c46206$73dfa920$ae3cd0d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Excellent post Larry. The vibration is still there and will remain as long as Harley stays with their patented 45 degree V-twin. That angle is the only reason the Japanese bikes will never be able to copy the Harley sound. Now S&S Company in Viola Wisconsin builds some monster Harley motors in the 120-130 horsepower range and if you used the Harley or aftermarket transmission you have a built in reduction drive as well as a way to lower RPM at cruise. Harley's haven't leaked oil since the Shovelhead went out of production but have been known to blow a cylinder base gasket which will cause the engine to leak but replacing the stock gasket with a performance aluminum one properly coated with sealer will solve that problem real quick. The newer 88 inch double overhead cam models might offer more in the way of torque but even that is an easy fix with any Harley engine buy changing the camshaft. Both Andrews and Crane offer a full selection of shafts to suit any particular situation. Seems that low end torque at lower rpm's would be ideal for aircraft applications. Doug Rupert ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:55:03 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Updates To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005401c46209$2de86850$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters Quick update: Finished installing th dual stick assembly to satsify the Inspector's requirement to have the mounting brackets re-made, and have them made out of 4130 steel instead of aluminum. Don't shoot me for the weight, it is not my idea but his, and I am going the path of least resistance. Plus there is alot of security in this set, thank you Brian Kraut for selling it to me. Will be posting pictures as soon as time permits. Corrected the stud/nut holddown situation. Why it was that way from the start I don't know but it is now seated all the way into the self locking nut. Also corected the 360 strees loop in the oil pressure supply line, and fed it through a rubber grommett where it passes through the baffling. All that is left is the wiring re-organizing under the cowling, and the cover for the battery, and call him back out! Getting very close, now if I could just get some sleep.... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:13:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Smith Subject: KR> For Brian K. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040704211318.89661.qmail@web81706.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii HI Brian, I got an email from you in my bulk mail section. I don't know if it was from you or someone else. When I hit "scan and down load" to see the "attachment" my antivirus program picked up a w32.netsky.p@mm virus. I don't know if your computer is infected or not but you might want to check it. Ron Smith, God is in the details ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:17:34 -0500 From: Subject: Re: KR> Harley motors To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000901c4620c$56d3b0a0$6f5803cf@pculver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just a bit of info for all us netters. Looked up the weight on Hog Air, 82Hp and 92ft lbs of torque @ 5000 rpm. It comes with a 2 to 1 reduction unit, prop hub, engine mounts, ehause. oil tank and fi unit. weighs in at 214 lbs. Yes its a hog but it sure is lighter than the vair. For giggles the 94CI puts out 110 hp and 114 torque @ 4500 rpm. Everything else is the same. They can jest about oil slicks all they want but the numbers don't sound bad either. I myself am building a vair for my 2s and I spend lots of time looking at the board I don't do much posting just observing and taking notes as I build on and on as it seems. Thanks for the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rupert" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: RE: KR> Harley motors > Excellent post Larry. The vibration is still there and will remain as long > as Harley stays with their patented 45 degree V-twin. That angle is > the only > reason the Japanese bikes will never be able to copy the Harley sound. > Now S&S Company in Viola Wisconsin builds some monster Harley motors > in the 120-130 horsepower range and if you used the Harley or > aftermarket transmission you have a built in reduction drive as well > as a way to lower RPM at cruise. Harley's haven't leaked oil since the > Shovelhead went out of > production but have been known to blow a cylinder base gasket which > will cause the engine to leak but replacing the stock gasket with a > performance aluminum one properly coated with sealer will solve that > problem real quick. > The newer 88 inch double overhead cam models might offer more in the > way of > torque but even that is an easy fix with any Harley engine buy > changing the > camshaft. Both Andrews and Crane offer a full selection of shafts to > suit any particular situation. Seems that low end torque at lower > rpm's would be > ideal for aircraft applications. > Doug Rupert > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:16:24 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Bendix mags To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040704161624.008d7980@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If I get a new >harness what's involved with installing it into the 2000 series bendix >dual mags. I never had the mags apart as of yet. Thanks!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If it's an "application specific" harness it should probably be just a couple of screws on the top of the mag. I'm guessing here as I traded my Bendix mags from the Tripacer for a new set of Slick mags. New Slicks on the KR also. I'm betting someone out there has the answer if they will just jump in here. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:22:33 -0500 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" Subject: Re: KR> Harley motors - seriously now To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001b01c4620d$059ba5c0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As a biker for over 30 years legally and more otherwise, there is no way I would put a Harley engine in an airplane. You want a dependable engine in there and NONE of the Harleys are that. Even the new one was brought out with a KNOWN oil lube problem to the valve train, and they introduced it anyway. I showed this to my brother after he bought his 2000 and said he better correct it with an aftermarket fix, he did not, and it went bad just like was explained in a biker magazine. My newest bike is the Yamaha Midnite Venture, fully loaded and standard 5 year warranty with 24 hour roadside. Harley has shit for a warranty cause they got shit for a bike. Don't even bother to start talking American Iron till you research it. Quite an ad campaign they have built up in lies. Steve McGee KR2S ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:20:57 -0500 From: "Wesley Scott" Subject: Re: KR> Harley motors To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003301c4620c$cdbf6a60$a62e0704@pbrain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" from : http://www.motobykz.co.uk/2002wing/2002wing.htm Honda claims 118 bhp and 125 lb./ft. of torque Honda Goldwing GL1800 Specifications Engine Type: Type: 1832cc liquid-cooled horizontally opposed six-cylinder Bore x Stroke: 74mm x 71mm Compression Ratio: 9.8:1 Carburettor(s): PGM-FI with automatic choke Ignition: Computer-controlled digital with three-dimensional mapping Transmission: 5 speed including overdrive, plus electric reverse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rupert" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: RE: KR> Harley motors > I have but can't seem to find out what they weigh or the torque and > horsepower figures. The Honda Valkrye would also be a fine candidate > as I believe they use the same engine. Any motorcycle salvage yard > would be an excellent place to look. Doug Rupert > > Anyone ever consider the goldwing 1500 or 1800 engine, it would need a > reduction unit and of course it's water cooled, but it may be an > alternative to the subbie. > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:24:52 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Updates To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40E875A4.000022.02956@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Colin, Thanks for the update. Our mounting bracket is aluminum and aluminum it is going to stay.. Unless there was something wrong with the aluminum, how can you be forced to change it? What did he say was wrong with it? "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:28:31 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> wing incidence To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <046701c4620d$dfa66f20$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry Flesner wrote: > The article gave me a perfect mental picture that explains the reason > I need more and more back stick pressure, with neutral trim, as the > speed builds in cruise. I'd sure like to get an in-flight closeup > picture of the KR at cruise to check out the elevator deflection. I'll be happy to. I have a much nicer camera for air to air shots this year, but who will fly the TriPacer? Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:27:35 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> virus To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040704162735.008de100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When I hit "scan and down load" to see the "attachment" my antivirus program picked up a w32.netsky.p@mm virus. I don't know if your computer is infected or not but you might want to check it. >Ron Smith, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ A computer virus will "harvest" e-mail adddresses from the web and then start sending e-mails with virus attachments to everyone it has adddresses for and indicating it is sent from people that have no knowledge of what's going on. Anyone on this net not running an antivirus program does not have the proper mental attitude to be building a KR or any type homebuilt for that matter. Not trying to insult anyone, just a wakeup call. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:44:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Smith Subject: KR> Question about 5/8 spruce To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040704214433.94203.qmail@web81705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If one were drill through the 5/8 square spruce and epoxy in that hole a steel tube, would that make the piece weaker? I plan to do a destructive test to find out, but your thoughts would be appreciated. If epoxy is stronger than the wood, and the steel is stronger than the wood, would it not be reasonable to assume that the piece would not be weaker, but stronger? I don't want to do anything foolish, I'm just considering ways to make the cock pit cleaner looking and less cluttered. Be kind, I'm new at this. Ron Smith, God is in the details. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:03:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Smith Subject: Re: KR> virus To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040704220334.96630.qmail@web81705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii larry flesner wrote: When I hit "scan and down load" to see the "attachment" my antivirus program picked up a w32.netsky.p@mm virus. I don't know if your computer is infected or not but you might want to check it. >Ron Smith, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ A computer virus will "harvest" e-mail adddresses from the web and then start sending e-mails with virus attachments to everyone it has adddresses for and indicating it is sent from people that have no knowledge of what's going on. Anyone on this net not running an antivirus program does not have the proper mental attitude to be building a KR or any type homebuilt for that matter. Not trying to insult anyone, just a wakeup call. Larry Flesner *************** The reason I sent that to Brian is that I asked him to send me any pic of his spar construction, and I thought that is what the "attachment" was. I was concerned that he might have picked us that virus and unknowingly sent it. Even the most updated antivirus software can be compromised by new viruses. The bastards that make those viruses should be taken out and shot.(just ranting) The damage they create is in the BILLIONS of dollars. Being a builder and creator, it just galls me to no end when people cause wanton destruction. It takes years to build marvelous systems and machines, hard work, sweat and love, and just in a few minutes some idiot can destroy it. Ron Smith, God is in the details I _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 18:31:57 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Question about 5/8 spruce - conduit passing through To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40E8855D.000024.02956@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have thought that if I were to do this again on a plane that was not already skinned, that I would make a space for the tube to pass through the stringers, but would put a doubler at the place where I drilled the hole. In that case, I would think that you could use any material you wish for a conduit. Another thing that I think you could do is to skin the inside after you put in the conduit. I don't see how it could be much stronger being skinned on the outside and inside. I think that the steel being used for a conduit doesn't buy you anything but weight. "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:33:01 -0700 From: Alex Swavely Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: KR> want to unsubscribe? To: KRnet Message-ID: <40E8859D.9050304@swavely.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Linda Warner wrote: > Now, I too, must unsubscribe. But not because I'm ticked off. It's > just the time of year we start our annual trek up north where we end > up in Oshkosh and help put Airventure on. You don't have to unsubscribe -- there is a vacation mode in your list preferences that will stop the list delivery to your inbox temporarily for as long as you desire. http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet -- enter your email address in the last box at the bottom and hit 'Unsubscribe or Edit options'. Next page, enter your password in the top box and hit 'Log in' (if you forgot your password, hit the 'Reminder' button at the bottom of the page to have your password emailed to you). On the next page, scroll down about halfway where you will find a section in gray marked 'Mail delivery' -- select 'Disabled' then 'Submit My Changes', and you will no longer recieve mail from the list until you return and 'Enable' it again. ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:15:46 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Stall Warnings plans To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040704161301.024a3608@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > How many pilots go in because they don't realize how close > to a > stall they are. The cross wind turn still gets some every year. Any kind > of warning is good. Isn't getting a new home built in the air about > adjusting and tweaking. The problem is that most light airplane pilots do not understand how much the stall speed goes up as the angle of bank and G forces increase. This is where an "angle of attack" meter saves the day, since the plane will stall at the same angle of attack no matter what the flight conditions. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:26:03 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> wing incidence To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040704162512.02452fd0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >I didn't see the words "KR2" or "0-200" anywhere in that article, Caught me! And, here I thought that I was adding useful info. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 18:39:45 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> list problems To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think you have a good plan. Go for it; don't deal with every petty person who cannot find a way to unsub-anything. Keep on with the Rustoleum and GO FLY. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 9:55 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> list problems KRnetHeads, Thanks for all the kind words of encouragement. Maybe I over-reacted regarding switching list servers. The list started "eating" about one out of three or four posts, and this went on for weeks until I pitched enough of a fit to get it fixed. It turns out it was attributed to Jurgen signing up on the list, and the umlauts in his name led to messages disappearing. Sounds flaky to me! Then somebody unsubscribed and the whole subscriber list got unsubscribed along with them due to a bug, which was bad enough, but they were able to resubscribe everybody, but the most recent backup of the subscriber settings was from FOUR months ago, so people who had their mail on "hold" or had switched to the digest or whatever, started emailing me that something was screwed up, and I just got bent out of shape over it all, especially when I'm accused of throwing somebody off because I must not have liked something they said yesterday. One more nagging thing that they've NEVER been able to fix is preventing ALL attachments. The only way I've been able to handle attachments is with a 10k size limit. They've given it one more try though, so maybe even that's fixed now. But if you guys don't mind this thing acting up every now and then, and don't blame it on me, I'll stick with it. Of that list that Ameet posted, Mailman will do the first 9, and I'm using every one of them. The rest of the list I can live without, and I hate advertising and pop-ups more than just about anybody on the planet (Google Toolbar fixed that one though), not to mention spam. But one thing is going to change. Not a day goes by that I don't get 2 or 3 complaints or administrator messages that a message is being held for my "approval" that contains attachments, or is absolutely huge because the entire digest is quoted in it, and I'm getting tired of messing with them. I used to explain to the folks that you can't send attachments, and that there is a size limit to keep people from quoting the entire digest in their replies, etc, etc. I'm tired of wasting my time on that stuff when it clearly states these rules in the "Welcome to KRnet" message. And then there are all those folks who are convinced that I've suddenly "locked" them out of the list, but the reality is that they changed email addresses and forgot to subscribe under their new address. And there are those who send their messages in HTML format with smiley faces, nice backgrounds, and all sorts of other graphics attached to each message, but wonder why their messages are too big to make it through the size filter, despite getting an administrative message that explains that their message is too big. And then there are the endless "unscrebe me" messages posted to the list, that defy all explanation. These kinds of problems are going to go unanswered (if I stay in the mood I'm in right now)...they'll have to figure it out themselves. I'm simply too selfish with my time to deal with this stuff while my airplane sits waiting on me to finish it. I guess I'm just ventilating again. Just call me "drama queen". I'm going back to work... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:44:43 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: RE: KR> Harley motors To: Message-ID: <40E8966B.000009.03456@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug said: "Seems that low end torque at lower rpm's would be ideal for aircraft applications." That's what gave me the idea it would be a great engine. to redrive or not to redrive, that is the question, seems that same discussion is being bandied about with the Corvairs too. I notice that some do and some don't. I guess it's a matter for the prop to decide, and whether your particular engine is build to develop it's power at higher revolutions or not. Of course you'd have to redrive if you wanted to keep it upright (then engine, not the bike), unless you wanted a really low slung prop or 2 cylinders poking out above your cowl, now wouldn't that look strange? It would go a long way to help cooling though... If someone could help me with the details about if the darned things can easily deal with being inverted, I might be getting somewhere! Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:55:17 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> Question about 5/8 spruce To: Message-ID: <40E898E5.00000B.03456@motherfucker> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ron Smith asked: "If one were drill through the 5/8 square spruce and epoxy in that hole a steel tube, would that make the piece weaker?" Yes. Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:11:24 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Harley motors/PSRU's To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040704191124.008dbac0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" to redrive or not >to redrive, that is the question, seems that same discussion is being >bandied about with the Corvairs too. I notice that some do and some >don't. I guess it's a matter for the prop to decide, Peter Bancks ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Using a PSRU , a belt drive is the only one I've seen on a Harley, would also help to isolate the prop from the crank for harmonics and all those other things that engineers talk about and figure out that keep us dummies from doing ourselves in. It also helps get the engine rpm up in the power band of approx 4500 rpm and the prop turning at a reasonable speed. If I were inclined to use a Harley that's the only way I'd go. When it proves itself and is worthy of consideration for a KR I'll let you know. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:17:54 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> wing incidence To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040704191754.008d64d0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>I didn't see the words "KR2" or "0-200" anywhere in that article, >(Mark Langford) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Caught me! And, here I thought that I was adding useful info. Larry >Severson +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You did add useful info. It prompted me to go to my reading room (bathroom) and read the article. I hadn't gotten to it yet and may have missed it. It just didn't say anything about KR2 or 0-200. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 11 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================