From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 113 Date: 6/22/2004 9:00:09 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Seat Belt Attachments & H-Points (Scott Cable) 2. Mogas and Fibre Glass (wcrawfor@cmhc-schl.gc.ca) 3. RE: Mogas and Fibre Glass (Doug Rupert) 4. KR2 (ipilot) 5. Ailerons (Mark Jones) 6. Re: Mogas and Fibre Glass (TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com) 7. RE: KR2 (Ron Freiberger) 8. High Alt (Buzz Frankel) 9. Re: High Alt (Brant Hollensbe) 10. RE: High Alt (Brian Kraut) 11. RE: High Alt (Buzz Frankel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 06:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Seat Belt Attachments & H-Points To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040622132152.34357.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Looks like Larry got it right! If you compare what was stated earlier about laying out the lapbelt attachments, with what Larry describes below, you'll find that they are saying the same thing.... larry flesner wrote: >Because we sit typically in front of the rear spar, you could unintentionally locate the lap belt attachment higher than your H-point, which would do little for vertical restraint, and be very uncomfortable during flight. >Scott Cable +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My brackets place my attach point approx 4 inches forward of the rear spar and approx 1 1/2 inches off the floor. In the 60+ hours of flight time so far they seem to be comfortable and effective. I have two 3/16 inch bolts holding each bracket to the rear spar and either a 5/16 or a 3/8 inch bolt holding each end of the belt to the bracket. And Phil, the wires make for VERY easy installation and removal. :-) 66 hours total !!! 60 hours since the middle of February. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:48:03 -0400 From: wcrawfor@cmhc-schl.gc.ca Subject: KR> Mogas and Fibre Glass To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My KR is constructed using the west system, so that is good news to hear Dick Hartwig has had no problems for 25 years. Insofar as mogas use in the continental, I plan on using av fuel occasionally to add the lead content. We have FBO's here in Canada supplying MOGAS and I'm told it has no alcohol in it, albeit there may very well be other chemicals. My experience with Mogas is using it in my Cessna 150 with a STC for Mogas, have only used it once, and it stinks, I appreciate everyone's input to my questions some great responses, many thanks. William J.G. (Bill) Crawford Senior Research Consultant Research in Building Science CMHC, Ontario 416-218-3342 Toronto 519-873-2422 London ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:28:38 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Mogas and Fibre Glass To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <004201c45875$fe7a1c90$b804e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bill: I worked for both Shell and Esso hauling both Avgas and Mogas to various locations throughout Canada. The only chemicals added to mogas are the various additives that clean the internal engine components (fuel injectors, carburetors and the like, also octane boosters) much the same as motor oils (detergent or non). The lack of or amount of these cleaners is the only difference between the various brands. Many times when one company is out of a particular product they will get it from the other. Avgas on the other hand is all 100 octane low lead, that is why the different smell while burning mogas. Leaded fuels have a slightly sweet smell to them. Avgas is also very dry if you will and burning straight avgas in an automotive engine without proper modifications can lead to disastrous effects. In the racing community it is common practice to cut avgas on a 50/50 ratio with mogas for added performance. That is the odd smell you experience at most Stock Car Races. There are engines which can burn straight avgas with no degree of ill effects, one being the Harley Davidson motorcycle which I ran consistently on straight avgas for many years with no problems whatsoever. The problem arises since avgas is "low lead" and these leaded fuels are being done away with in the near future due to environmental concerns and that is why the FAA in particular is just now starting to take a long hard look at mogas as a viable solution, hence the STC. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:43:01 -0700 From: ipilot Subject: KR> KR2 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <40D8A7E5.2010105@netscape.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed ipilot66@Netscape.net -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:13:09 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Ailerons To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <004401c458c7$a195c5e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The KR-2S plans call for ailerons 72" long and 5" deep. Has anyone else done theirs different from the plans? Maybe shorter and deeper? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:13:05 EDT From: TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Mogas and Fibre Glass To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1e9.237fb1cd.2e0a4131@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Bill, Interesting to hear your 150 didn't do well on Mogas, (or did you just mean that the gas "stinks"). We used a lot of it in the 150 that we had. Couldn't tell any difference in performance. Used only Amoco gold (93 octane). Some claim that the vapor pressure is lower with mogas and will boil/flash/vapor lock at high altitudes when using a pump. My brother owns a vari-ez and the right tank developed a leak that desolved about 6" of the foam in the wing. He swears that using mogas only on 2 occasions caused the failure. However it's anyone's guess as to what kind of epoxy was used as he didn't build it. My KR (project) has a lycoming O-235L2C, so compression ratios are too high for the car gas. One less worry I suppose. Just my 2 cents worth Best Regards Riley Collins Rutledge, TN ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:33:07 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Drum this guy out of the Corps. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of ipilot Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:43 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> KR2 ipilot66@Netscape.net -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:36:06 -0600 From: "Buzz Frankel" Subject: KR> High Alt To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <02c101c458ca$d8dd8210$6401a8c0@BUZZ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My field elevation is 5880 at APA and one of the local EAA members told me I need to fly with an O-200 unless I like crop-dusting. Any one offer any comments on the topic. I recently bought a KR-2 with a vw 1845 I am rebuilding...... ------------------------------------ Call Buzz First Buzz Frankel "By Referral Only" buzz.frankel@ipremier1st.com 8225 Cottongrass Ct Castle Pines, CO 80108 tel: (720)207-5205 fax: (206) 339-4559 ------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:55:20 -0500 From: "Brant Hollensbe" Subject: Re: KR> High Alt To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <000b01c458c5$246f6be0$1902a8c0@WorkGroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Buzz Your buddy's advice is worth exactly what you paid for it. Brant Hollensbe Des Moines IA Bhollensbe@mchsi.com > My field elevation is 5880 at APA and one of the local EAA members > told me I need to fly with an O-200 unless I like crop-dusting. Any > one offer any comments on the topic. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:06:50 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> High Alt To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I don't have experience taking off at high altitudes, but I can tell you that I climbed from 9,500' to 10,500' one time at about 400 FPM and that was just a cruise climb to get over the tops of some clouds a few miles in front of me. I didn't see what the max climb rate was, but I expect I could have gotten over 500 FPM at best rate of climb speed. This was with a VW 2180 and at about 910 pounds. I have heard others report similar high altitude climb rates. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Buzz Frankel Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:36 PM To: 'KRnet' Subject: KR> High Alt My field elevation is 5880 at APA and one of the local EAA members told me I need to fly with an O-200 unless I like crop-dusting. Any one offer any comments on the topic. I recently bought a KR-2 with a vw 1845 I am rebuilding...... ------------------------------------ Call Buzz First Buzz Frankel "By Referral Only" buzz.frankel@ipremier1st.com 8225 Cottongrass Ct Castle Pines, CO 80108 tel: (720)207-5205 fax: (206) 339-4559 ------------------------------------ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:15:14 -0600 From: "Buzz Frankel" Subject: RE: KR> High Alt To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <02c901c458d0$50645110$6401a8c0@BUZZ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am concerned mostly with the hot day high alt.take off. Density alt. issues. I have not flown a KR before but many light composite planes, your comments as to performance are helpful. I really would rather not eat the parameter fence at the other end of the runway. Cheers ------------------------------------ Call Buzz First Buzz Frankel "By Referral Only" buzz.frankel@ipremier1st.com 8225 Cottongrass Ct Castle Pines, CO 80108 tel: (720)207-5205 fax: (206) 339-4559 ------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kraut [mailto:brian.kraut@engalt.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:07 PM To: buzz@buzzfrankel.com; KRnet Subject: RE: KR> High Alt I don't have experience taking off at high altitudes, but I can tell you that I climbed from 9,500' to 10,500' one time at about 400 FPM and that was just a cruise climb to get over the tops of some clouds a few miles in front of me. I didn't see what the max climb rate was, but I expect I could have gotten over 500 FPM at best rate of climb speed. This was with a VW 2180 and at about 910 pounds. I have heard others report similar high altitude climb rates. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Buzz Frankel Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:36 PM To: 'KRnet' Subject: KR> High Alt My field elevation is 5880 at APA and one of the local EAA members told me I need to fly with an O-200 unless I like crop-dusting. Any one offer any comments on the topic. I recently bought a KR-2 with a vw 1845 I am rebuilding...... ------------------------------------ Call Buzz First Buzz Frankel "By Referral Only" buzz.frankel@ipremier1st.com 8225 Cottongrass Ct Castle Pines, CO 80108 tel: (720)207-5205 fax: (206) 339-4559 ------------------------------------ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 113 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================