From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 120 Date: 6/26/2004 9:00:05 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: lost messages (Allen G. Wiesner) 2. /three point (larry flesner) 3. Ellison (rparker) 4. Ellison (rparker) 5. Re: Ellison (Mark Langford) 6. Re: lost messages /non - Delivery (Phil Matheson) 7. Re: Ellison (Mark Jones) 8. Re: Speed Brake (Colin & Bev Rainey) 9. Re: Ellison (larry flesner) 10. workshop/ addition (larry flesner) 11. KR2S In Australia (Andrew Ross) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:22:56 -0400 From: "Allen G. Wiesner" Subject: Re: KR> lost messages To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001101c45b35$43165d70$30ea4345@CPQ25208480116> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 1. Even stranger, I've had three non-delivery reports this week and haven't sent anything. 2. Now its' doing it to me! I tried to send line one earlier and it evaporated. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:51:01 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> /three point To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040626065101.008a3e10@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Larry I went through the same response about low visibility in three >point configuration. The thing that made the world of difference was >just to slip all my approaches all the way through round-out. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I have no problem with visibility over the nose during the approach when using the speed brake. I have good visibility through the flare until I go to a complete three point attitude. That's when I go back to looking out the side and watching the horizon at the cowl intersection just as in takeoff. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:17:25 -0500 From: "rparker" Subject: KR> Ellison To: krnet@mylist.net, "" , Message-ID: <20040626121725.25119.qmail@server278.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was just reading an article in the may issue of Sport Aviation about a guy who bought a pitts with an ellison and he explained that the engine will run with the Ellison at full mixture lean. page 58. 2nd, paragraph. I'd be interested in what the engine shut down procedure is in the checklist. FYI. I'm in the process of completing an addition to my house. a 24 x 40 3-1/2 car garage. My wife thinks I did it for the 920 square foot master bedroom suite above, however its really just designed for more airplane working space. I used TJI-560 engineered joists so I have no lally columns. Great for completely assembling my plane with wings attached ! I'd recommend nothing less to new builders. :-) Rich Parker KR2S Peterborough, NH rparker@wwhotspots.com http://theparkers.wwhotspots.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:17:25 -0500 From: "rparker" Subject: KR> Ellison To: krnet@mylist.net, "" , Message-ID: <20040626121725.25119.qmail@server278.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was just reading an article in the may issue of Sport Aviation about a guy who bought a pitts with an ellison and he explained that the engine will run with the Ellison at full mixture lean. page 58. 2nd, paragraph. I'd be interested in what the engine shut down procedure is in the checklist. FYI. I'm in the process of completing an addition to my house. a 24 x 40 3-1/2 car garage. My wife thinks I did it for the 920 square foot master bedroom suite above, however its really just designed for more airplane working space. I used TJI-560 engineered joists so I have no lally columns. Great for completely assembling my plane with wings attached ! I'd recommend nothing less to new builders. :-) Rich Parker KR2S Peterborough, NH rparker@wwhotspots.com http://theparkers.wwhotspots.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:59:23 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Ellison To: "KRnet" Cc: Mark Langford Message-ID: <005101c45b7d$6790d0c0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rich Parker wrote: > I was just reading an article in the may issue of Sport Aviation about > a guy who bought a pitts with an ellison and he explained that the engine will run with the Ellison at full mixture lean. page 58. 2nd, paragraph. > I'd be interested in what the engine shut down procedure is in the checklist. I don't know about his checklist, but since my engine uses coil and points instead of a magneto it'll be...."ignition switch off", "remove key". Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:12:57 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> lost messages /non - Delivery To: "Allen G. Wiesner" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <003c01c45b7f$4d1f5610$9c96dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Even stranger, I've had three non-delivery reports this week and haven't sent anything. ------------------------------ Be Careful, the Non - Delivery returns are USUALLY Virus infected. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:40:06 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Ellison To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001401c45b8b$797355c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is my Procedure: 1) Throttle to idle 2) Full lean 3) Fuel selector valve to off. 4) Fuel pump off. 5) Wait for engine to die. (by doing this, there are no fuel drips from the throat of the carb) 6) Ignition switch off. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Cc: "Mark Langford" Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 7:59 AM Subject: Re: KR> Ellison > Rich Parker wrote: > > > I was just reading an article in the may issue of Sport Aviation > > about a > guy who bought a pitts with an ellison and he explained that the > engine will > run with the Ellison at full mixture lean. page 58. 2nd, paragraph. > > I'd be interested in what the engine shut down procedure is in the > checklist. > > I don't know about his checklist, but since my engine uses coil and > points instead of a magneto it'll be...."ignition switch off", "remove > key". > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:26:39 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: Re: KR> Speed Brake To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00e001c45bab$1f9c9ff0$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Edward Increased drag alone would not cause the nose to drop if one replaced the thrust to counter the additional drag, since there would be no change in angle of attack. The nose down tendency is due to a change in the position of the Center of Pressure (lift) relative to the Center of Gravity. The speed brake below the aircraft fuselage creates a small amount of lift, and that adds to the wing lift, but with the brake attached to the rear spar, causes the CP to move aft, and lift the tail slightly, giving better visibility. By simply increasing drag yes you do slow the aircraft making for a steeper descent, and if the same speed is maintained with additional thrust, then your glide remains the same, just with additional thrust required so no real benefit until thrust is reduced. IF thrust is not added, but the angle of attack is reduced to replace the lost thrust and gravity provides that momentum, then you do benefit from the additional drag with better visibility and steeper/shorter glide angle. The additional drag also helps in transition due to the drag helping to lessen the performance increase seen in ground effect which reduces the floating. All new builders I strongly recommend some form of drag/lift inducing device be added to your aircraft, and built aircraft it would be worth the time to modify them for one. It is a comment in the Airplane Flying Handbook that if every approach requires slipping the aircraft then that is bad planning by the PIC and he should correct his pattern techniques. Not my comment but food for thought. Oh and just for the record, I am so short in all planes, that I never see the runway on landing in front of the aircraft if attempting any kind of a full stall landing such as a 152, or 172 so I don't know what it is like to see the runway in these aircraft! Guess that is why it was so easy for me to get my taildragger endorsement. I have always used my peripheral vision and S-turning on taxi, and landing to be able to see! Price you pay for being 5'4"!!!! Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:41:06 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Ellison To: rparker ,KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040626174106.008aa750@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >My wife thinks I did it for the 920 square foot master bedroom suite above, however its really just designed for more airplane working space. I used TJI-560 engineered joists so I have no lally columns. Great for completely assembling my plane with wings attached ! I'd recommend nothing less to new builders. :-) >Rich Parker +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Rich, I hope you don't talk in your sleep or there will be a KR project for sale real soon at give-away pricing. :-) Also, I'd suggest you delete that e-mail from you "out" file and the "trash" file also. :-) Larry Flesner (70 hours as of this afternoon and still grinning!!!) P.S. I'll cover you on this end.......... ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:16:44 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> workshop/ addition To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040626191644.008aab40@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>My wife thinks I did it for the 920 square foot master bedroom suite above, however its really just designed for more airplane working space. I used TJI-560 engineered joists so I have no lally columns. Great for completely assembling my plane with wings attached ! I'd recommend nothing less to new builders. :-) >>Rich Parker >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Rich, I hope you don't talk in your sleep or there will be a KR project for sale real soon at give-away pricing. :-) Also, I'd suggest you delete that e-mail from you "out" file and the "trash" file also. :-) Larry Flesner (70 hours as of this afternoon and still grinning!!!) P.S. I'll cover you on this end.......... ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:50:39 +1000 From: "Andrew Ross" Subject: KR> KR2S In Australia To: Message-ID: <005901c45be0$c52429e0$6e4337cb@adross> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Im looking for builders past and present in Vic Australia. Need some info on where to get spruce etc locally. Cheers AR ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 120 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================