From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 148 Date: 10/5/2004 6:07:55 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. John Shaffer gear (Dene Collett (SA)) 2. Help with wing tips (william walsh) 3. Re: Firing order (patrusso) 4. Re: John Shaffer gear (Steven Phillabaum) 5. RE: John Shaffer gear (Mark Jones) 6. Flying/prop bolts (larry flesner) 7. Re: EAA Copperstate Flyin (w.higdon9604@comcast.net) 8. Re: John Shaffer gear (Robert L. Stone) 9. Re: John Shaffer gear (Russ Fenlason) 10. Re: EAA Copperstate Flyin (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 11. Re: John Shaffer gear (patrusso) 12. Retracts (Colin & Bev Rainey) 13. 3/16 lomg series drill (Dene Collett (SA)) 14. 3/16 lomg series drill (Oscar Zuniga) 15. Re: Retracts (idrawtobuild@ncinternet.net) 16. Re: 3/16 lomg series drill (Robert L. Stone) 17. Re: 3/16 lomg series drill (patrusso) 18. Re: 3/16 lomg series drill (Jim Morehead) 19. Drying time question (Stephen and Janet Henderson) 20. Re: Drying time question (Orma) 21. Re: 3/16 lomg series drill (John) 22. 3/16 lomg drill/WAF (larry flesner) 23. Re: Retracts (larry flesner) 24. 1835 For Sale (Orma) 25. Re: 1835 For Sale (Ron Eason) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:19:02 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" Subject: KR> John Shaffer gear To: "krnet" Message-ID: <000001c4aa8f$26cb00e0$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Guys While looking at some of the 2004 gathering pics, I noticed John's plane with what looks like a retract tricycle gear. Does anyone have more info on his system, is he on this list. Please someone tell me you have some pics of how the gear works and is constructed. Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: william walsh Subject: KR> Help with wing tips To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041005050524.59283.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am looking in to different wing tips for my kr2s can any one tell me of the various types and what do they offer. Your input is much appreciated. Thanks, Bill Walsh --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 06:53:49 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Firing order To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002101c4aac9$a3aeb220$13a972d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Get the answer from the horses mouth! Steve B of Great planes is just a phone call or e-mail away. He has been a great help in getting many of us in the air, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orma" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: KR> Firing order > Hello again > I just had a look at the GPAS web site and they list the firing order > as 1234. My VW book shows it as 1432. Does anyone know how he gets these numbers, Does he number his cylinders differently? > > Quit reading this and get back to building > > Orma > Southfield, MI > N110LR celebrating 20 years > Flying, flying and more flying _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:44:18 +0000 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: Re: KR> John Shaffer gear To: KRnet Message-ID: <3948se$9jnme0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Dene, John's landing gear is highly complex and is a one of a kind. It is of his design. No he is not on the net. But is a really nice guy. He said it took two years to build the gear alone. I have not had my pictures of the gathering developed yet. But, when I do I will see if I have a good picture and try to get it to you. Steven Phillabaum Auburn Alabama ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:16:04 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> John Shaffer gear To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902BEA@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain This is a link to the 2003 Gathering at Red Oak. http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/redoak2003/ About two thirds down the page there are many photos of John's gear set up. It is a very complex system and would be almost impossible to duplicate without John's intervention. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI -----Original Message----- From: Dene Collett (SA) [mailto:dene.collett@telkomsa.net] Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 1:19 PM To: krnet Subject: KR> John Shaffer gear Hi Guys While looking at some of the 2004 gathering pics, I noticed John's plane with what looks like a retract tricycle gear. Does anyone have more info on his system _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:38:30 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Flying/prop bolts To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041005073830.00795710@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A > way to go Larry!! I read somewhere that you're suspossed to > re-torque the prop bolts on a wood prop after 100 hours. something to do with compression of the wood. just a reminder. > Mike > Turner ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Probably more often than that depending how quickly you put the hours on the airplane. A wood prop should be checked seasonally as the temp and humidity change. I plan on checking mine soon. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:51:24 +0000 From: w.higdon9604@comcast.net Subject: Re: KR> EAA Copperstate Flyin To: KRnet Message-ID: <100520041251.4288.416298CC0005F5A9000010C02200745672CBCFC0C702010B090708D299@comcast.net> This weekend (OCT 7-10)"The airport designator is A39 on your navigational charts" for those of us using real airplane maps and not the "Shell Road atlas". Here's the "offical" site http://www.copperstate.org/index.htm. Bill Higdon > Hello, > I had not heard about the Copperstate flyin. Can you tell me where it's being > held this year and what dates. > > Thanks. > P. Sanchez > KR2S Apache Junction AZ _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:27:05 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> John Shaffer gear To: Message-ID: <4162A129.000001.01992@YOUR-AT5QGAAC3Z> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steven, Since a well designed retractable landing gear system is such a highly desirable item for a good many members of the net, why not try to make some kind of a deal with John Shaffer to get some scale drawings or plans from him and publish them on someone's web site for all to use. Do you know if John Shaffer has plans to have drawings produced by a technical illustrator and market them. The KR designs are very fast now with minimum power, just think how much faster they would be with a retractable landing gear. I think that if such a system or at least the plans for one was available, future builders would use it and a good many flying KRs would be converted. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 10/05/04 06:44:48 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> John Shaffer gear Hey Dene, John's landing gear is highly complex and is a one of a kind. It is of his design. No he is not on the net. But is a really nice guy. He said it took two years to build the gear alone. I have not had my pictures of the gathering developed yet. But, when I do I will see if I have a good picture and try to get it to you. Steven Phillabaum Auburn Alabama _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:48:40 -0700 From: "Russ Fenlason" Subject: Re: KR> John Shaffer gear To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002301c4aaf2$c96a2200$0200a8c0@AMBULANCKRM15J> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John Shaffer has drawing and has sold them. Im not sure if he is still selling them. But a friend has an opperating set on his KR2 made from John's plans. Russ Fenlason Breckenridge, MN----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Stone" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 6:27 AM Subject: Re: KR> John Shaffer gear > Steven, > > Since a well designed retractable landing gear system is such a highly > desirable item for a good many members of the net, why not try to make some > kind of a deal with John Shaffer to get some scale drawings or plans > from him and publish them on someone's web site for all to use. Do > you know if John Shaffer has plans to have drawings produced by a > technical illustrator > and market them. The KR designs are very fast now with minimum power, just > think how much faster they would be with a retractable landing gear. > I think that if such a system or at least the plans for one was > available, future builders would use it and a good many flying KRs > would be converted. > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: KRnet > > Date: 10/05/04 06:44:48 > > To: KRnet > > Subject: Re: KR> John Shaffer gear > > > > Hey Dene, > > John's landing gear is highly complex and is a one of a kind. It is of > his design. No he is not on the net. But is a really nice guy. He said > it took two years to build the gear alone. I have not had my pictures > of the gathering developed yet. But, when I do I will see if I have a > good picture > and try to get it to you. > > Steven Phillabaum > > Auburn Alabama > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:25:41 GMT From: "jscott.pilot@juno.com" Subject: Re: KR> EAA Copperstate Flyin To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041005.072638.22523.1158780@webmail16.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain The answer is "yes", there will be KRs there. Charlie Reeves KR-2 (Best wood airplane Copperstate 2002 and 2003) should be there, Steve Glover (Best KR 2004 Gathering, Best Interior 2004 Gathering) says he's coming, David Roe (Hummelbird that was at the 2004 KR Gathering) will be there, and I'll be there (Best KR 2002 Gathering). Jeff Scott -- w.higdon9604@comcast.net wrote: This weekend (OCT 7-10)"The airport designator is A39 on your navigational charts" for those of us using real airplane maps and not the "Shell Road atlas". Here's the "offical" site http://www.copperstate.org/index.htm. Bill Higdon > Hello, > I had not heard about the Copperstate flyin. Can you tell me where it's being > held this year and what dates. > > Thanks. > P. Sanchez > KR2S Apache Junction AZ ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:40:32 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> John Shaffer gear To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000f01c4ab02$74fae320$44a972d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am not sure I understand although I am very curious about the Shaffer gear. The original Rand gear is a marvel of simplicity and with minor mods, a reliable one...unless of course we are interested in the possibility of a retractable nose gear. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Stone" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:27 AM Subject: Re: KR> John Shaffer gear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:04:18 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Retracts To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008b01c4ab16$7f8a5960$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Retractable gear assemblies are very attractive due to the better aerodynamics and looks when in flight. They also imply a "coolness" factor that excites the male ego and denotes a "real pilot". Couple of points to keep in mind when thinking about retracts: First: they tend to add considerably to the empty weight of the airplane, something that all have found out drastically effects the KR. Second: they tend to be complex in nature and require more frequent attention than their opposite fixed gear. Third: when they malfunction, and they will, it usually ends up a bad day for the pilot unless a totally reliable manual failsafe is also available like a gravity extension or manual crank handle. Fourth: in our speed ranges they typically do NOT give significantly more speed for the added weight and complexity, as compared to the benefits of a well faired fixed gear. Fifth: If you don't have considerable complex time, your insurance if you can get it will be alot higher, and odds are that you will have a gear up landing. The only gear up landing that I would look forward to in my KR would be ditching in water. Any other time I want the gear down. You can't ever forget to put the gear down in a fixed gear airplane. Sixth: it will significantly increase construction time. Seventh: it can drastically effect the CG in flight when retracted due to the moving gear if the position changes relative to the down position. Say your nose gear retracts backwards, you have to account for this rearward movement of that weight when calculating your weight and balance for the particular flight. This might require creating hard points on the aircraft and weighing the plane with gear down, and then gear up to accurately know what that changing moment is. An example of these calculations can be found in the Piper Arrow, or Cessna 172RG Operating Manuals. If the gear system does not completely leave the slipstream, like the original KR2 does not, then you will be adding alot of weight without gaining the aerodynamic benefits of the cleaner exterior, so no real speed gain will be had, but the chances of problems have been increased. Best comparison I know of that would be akin to a KR2 with retracts, vs one with a well faired fixed gear is the Piper Arrow, vs the Piper Archer. Both have 200hp engines, with constant speed props. However, the only real difference between the two is the Arrow has retracts and the Archer does not. The Archer is faster than the Arrow by about 7-10knots depending on altitude flown and climbs significantly better, and has more payload due to the lower empty weight. So the overall fun factor and utility of the aircraft is higher in the Archer than the Arrow AND it insures for less, and uses fewer gallons per hour due to the lower overall gross weight given the same cruise speed comparison to the Arrow. Just some thoughts.... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:22:42 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" Subject: KR> 3/16 lomg series drill To: "krnet" Message-ID: <000d01c4ab19$7e1a4740$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi again guys This is for the South African builders out there. For the life of me I cannot source a 3/16 long series drillbit anywhere in Port Elizabeth. Do any of you guys know where I can get such an animal? I amm desperate, I want to install the WAF's this weekend and install the spars inthe fuselage permanently. Thanks Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:35:27 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> 3/16 lomg series drill To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >a 3/16 long series drillbit >I want to install the WAF's this weekend You know, of course, that there is a hole alignment jig that you can make so you can drill the spars from both sides (without using an extra-long drill bit). I believe this jig is shown in the KR manual but it's also shown on Mark Langford's website (what isn't?). Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:45:04 -0700 From: Subject: Re: KR> Retracts To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c4ab1c$31acd1e0$0f00a8c0@greg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 1:04 PM Subject: KR> Retracts > Retractable gear assemblies are very attractive due to the better aerodynamics and looks when in flight. They also imply a "coolness" factor that excites the male ego and denotes a "real pilot". I agree with Colin. How ever the OTHER plane that you did not include would be the Bellanca Viking. There the gear is hanging out the bottom of the wing and they put 'ClamShell doors' on that. I know that we're talking a 300 hp over a plane that has in the range of 65 to 110+ hp. But I went down to my friendly Aeromechanic and had to use the plane right now. They said OK, but they had not reinstalled the 'ClamShell's' yet. I flew the Viking without the 'ClamShell's' and I found the cruise to be 18 mph slower. Now. Knowing the difference in weight, hp, size and the over dissimilaraities. I think that the origonal retracts would definatly out cruise the same plane with a form of 'Clamshells' vs. welded feet. And we seem to all like to work with fiber glass (not) and I think that a person could do the clamshells very easy. I have done the same on my KR1 and they work (still building) well so far. I also designed a gear leg that attachs to the cross bar and uses the same gear that the folks are using on the fixed gear. Just my opinion. Don't kick me into the 'tar pit' as I just had a bath the first of the month. Once a month, need it or not. Greg Martin ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:47:34 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> 3/16 lomg series drill To: Message-ID: <41630866.000001.01276@YOUR-AT5QGAAC3Z> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dene, Aircraft Spruce & Specialty has what you need. Look in their current catalog on page 520 top left of the page "12 inch long drill bits". You wrote: "I want to install the WAF s this weekend and install the spars in the fuselage permanently". Install the wing stub spars first then the WAF's. The center spar should fit so close that if you install the WAF's first, you will not be able to slide the center spar into the fuselage. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 10/05/04 15:26:01 To: krnet Subject: KR> 3/16 lomg series drill Hi again guys This is for the South African builders out there. For the life of me I cannot source a 3/16 long series drillbit anywhere in Port Elizabeth. Do any of you guys know where I can get such an animal? I amm desperate, I want to install the WAF's this weekend and install the spars inthe fuselage permanently. Thanks Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:54:51 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> 3/16 lomg series drill To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c4ab1d$9a56d640$f6b272d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Long series drill bits? And you need one within three days? Look in the yellow pages for Industrial Supply Houses in your area, call local machine shops and ask where they buy theirs or borrow one of theirs. Finally as someone else has suggested, make a drill jig,..can be made in a half hours time using 5 minute epoxy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Stone" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: Re: KR> 3/16 lomg series drill > Dene, > > Aircraft Spruce & Specialty has what you need. Look in their > current catalog on page 520 top left of the page "12 inch long drill > bits". You > wrote: > > > > "I want to install > the WAF > s this weekend and install the > > spars in the fuselage > permanently". > > > > Install the wing stub spars first then the WAF's. The center > spar should fit so close that if you install the WAF's first, you > will not be able to slide the center spar into the fuselage. > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: KRnet > > Date: 10/05/04 15:26:01 > > To: krnet > > Subject: KR> 3/16 lomg series drill > > > > Hi again guys > > This is for the South African builders out there. > > For the life of me I cannot source a 3/16 long series drillbit > anywhere in > > Port Elizabeth. Do any of you guys know where I can get such an > animal? I > > amm desperate, I want to install the WAF's this weekend and install > the > > spars inthe fuselage permanently. > > Thanks > > Dene Collett > > KR2S-RT builder > > Port Elizabeth > > South Africa > > mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net > > P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:16:55 -0700 From: Jim Morehead Subject: Re: KR> 3/16 lomg series drill To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dene, You can braze or silver solder a length of drill rod to the end of a regular drill bit. Just dress the sides down to the 3/16" size so it will not bind in the hole. Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA Working on the insturment pannel on 10/5/04 1:22 PM, Dene Collett (SA) at dene.collett@telkomsa.net wrote: > Hi again guys > This is for the South African builders out there. > For the life of me I cannot source a 3/16 long series drillbit > anywhere in Port Elizabeth. Do any of you guys know where I can get > such an animal? I amm desperate, I want to install the WAF's this > weekend and install the spars inthe fuselage permanently. Thanks > Dene Collett > KR2S-RT builder > Port Elizabeth > South Africa > mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net > P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:34:01 -0400 From: "Stephen and Janet Henderson" Subject: KR> Drying time question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003f01c4ab23$084dd4a0$02218585@host02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello everyone, I have a pair of wings for my KR1 that I am repairing. I bought some West System 105 epoxy, 205 hardener, and the pumps to make sure that I dispense the right amount every time. The problem is that it takes 48-60 hours before it is hard enough for me to work with the stuff and I am using "Fast Hardener", I am glad that I didn't buy the "Slow Hardener". If anyone could give me some tips on how to speed up drying time I would greatly appreciate it. Also, is this the normal drying time for this brand? Thank you, Steve ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:16:53 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Drying time question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009901c4ab29$05af4d40$1e29d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" West System 105 epoxy, 205 hardener, Hello Steve I have used west system for sever years and find that in weather where the temp is around 70deg, that the lay-up is usually stiff enough to trim with a razor in about 8 hours and hard enough to sand in 24. In cooler temps, or higher humidity, the time can be as long as 36 to 48 hours. If at all possible I leave my lay-ups in the sun. To aid the sun on cooler days I have been known to add a black plastic bag as a booster (only do this if the lay-up is protected with waxed paper or the plastic will stick to the resin). It is also possible to use a heat lamp or heater to keep the lay-up warm during the initial part of the curing process. Two things that I find that slow down the curing process is not having the two parts mixed completely, and not having the correct proportions. Sometimes it is necessary to prime the pump with a little push to ensure that it starts to dispense the epoxy or hardener as the pump stroke begins. Also, continue the pump stroke until the pump reaches its bottom. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:59:11 +1000 From: John Subject: Re: KR> 3/16 lomg series drill To: KRnet Message-ID: <830558f90410051559ff70b05@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I've got one you can borrow. (I'm at lesast in the southern hemisphere! 37S 144E) On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:22:42 +0200, Dene Collett (SA) wrote: > Hi again guys > This is for the South African builders out there. > For the life of me I cannot source a 3/16 long series drillbit > anywhere in Port Elizabeth. Do any of you guys know where I can get > such an animal? I amm desperate, I want to install the WAF's this > weekend and install the spars inthe fuselage permanently. Thanks > Dene Collett > KR2S-RT builder > Port Elizabeth > South Africa > mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net > P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- http://au.geocities.com/johnbavington ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:07:15 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> 3/16 lomg drill/WAF To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041005190715.007e3eb0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Install the wing stub spars first then the WAF's. The center spar >should fit so close that if you install the WAF's first, you will not >be able to slide the center spar into the fuselage. Bob Stone, Harker >Heights, Tx ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I would recomend doing the WAF on a work table and set the alignment and dihiedral before installing the center spar in the fuselage. Using that proceedure you can draw a string from end to end on the spar and keep the alignment straight and set the 5" (?) elevation of the outer spars. Then remove one set of fittings from the center spar and install in the fuselage. It worked for me but as always, your results may vary. :-) Also, the drill jig suggested in the manual works great. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:08:35 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Retracts To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041005190835.007e6990@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think that the origonal retracts would definatly out >cruise the same plane with a form of 'Clamshells' vs. welded feet. Greg >Martin ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Everyone that I've talked to that converted from the original Rand retracts to a "well fared" fixed gear claims to have picked up 2 to 3 miles per hour with the fixed gear. The original Rand retracts are not very streamlined and is/was the major source of problems with the KR's ranking right up there with engine problems. That's the reason you hear of the changes to the locking setup that many builders have made. A hard landing will also punch holes in the top of the wing with the retracts and most KR's today are being built much heavier than the retracts were designed for. Down and locked for me. Need I say more? Larry Flesner 100.2 hours and counting........... ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:39:50 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> 1835 For Sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00cf01c4ab3c$fe07fba0$1e29d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net I know it's not Friday, but. A fellow homebuilder (Falco) at the airport handed me a copy of an E-mail from his friend requesting help selling an engine and prop. The following information is from that E-mail. Engine 1835 VW. Built by MOF0CO (I personally do not know who that is). Hot test run only. Aligned bored, balanced, blue printed rods, high volume oil pump, mid range cam, 8 dowel, case savers, duel port .040 heads, cool tins. Carburetor: Zenith side draft with mixture control and complete intake system. Prop: Props Inc, 54X46, with leading edge protection. Prop Hub: Shrink fit with washer, seal and bolt. $1500.00, Without engine, $500.00 I do not know the seller. It is said to be in a shipping crate. It has been sitting for a number of years. If you are interested, I can pass along your information to the friend of the seller. As I stated I do not know the seller. I am willing to pass along any information or requests for additional data that any of you might have. Please address me off net. Do not Archive Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:07:31 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> 1835 For Sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c4ab40$db309f70$6501a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original 2nd Annual Liberty Landing Airport Flyin Oct. 16, 2004. Saturday 8 AM - till ?. Home of the world famous Dawn Patrol!! Come on out and see what shows up. There will be Kitfox's, Avids, Nieuports, Lolb's, Piper Vagabond, Colt, Cessnas, RV's just to mention a few. Food Drink and Airplane talk. Directions: >From Independance 291 horth to old 210 Hwy. East 4 miles to Liberty >Landing. >From Up north south on 291 to old 2120 Hwy. east 4 mile to Liberty >Landing. Follow the signs GPS: N39-12 W094-28 Radio 122.75 Questions rotax@direcway.com or plrevr@comcast.net... KRron ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 148 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================