From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 157 Date: 10/10/2004 7:54:30 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Magic Number (Matthew Elder) 2. Re: Magic Number (peter) 3. Re: Magic Number for torquing assemblies to the main spar (Dan Heath) 4. Re: Aileron Counterbalance Arm. (Joseph H Horton) 5. Re: Magic Number (paulwasp@webtv.net) 6. Re: Aileron Counterbalance Arm. (Joseph H Horton) 7. AC Registration (Joseph H Horton) 8. Re: Flying with the KR "nuts" (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 9. Re: AC Registration (Dan Heath) 10. Re: AC Registration (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 11. Re: AC Registration (patrusso) 12. Aeroelasticity (alphabravo pilot) 13. Re: Aeroelasticity - 1 Do we have to mass balance the control surfaces? (Dan Heath) 14. Re: Aeroelasticity (Donald Reid) 15. Aileron Travel? (Dan Heath) 16. RE: Aileron Travel? (Jack Cooper) 17. Re: drills$WAF's (Dene Collett (SA)) 18. Re: Aileron Counterbalance Arm. (Mark Jones) 19. Re: Aileron Counterbalance Arm. (Phil Matheson) 20. Speed brake Kit? (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 21. RE: Speed brake Kit? (Doug Rupert) 22. Speed brake kit - order (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 23. HS Update (Dean Cooper) 24. Re: HS Update (robert glidden) 25. RE: AC Registration (Brian Kraut) 26. RE: AC Registration (larry flesner) 27. KR Parts For Sale (Douglas Dorfmeier) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:33:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Elder Subject: KR> Magic Number To: KRnet Message-ID: <20041010043335.99050.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, Looking for information on the "magic number" for torquing assemblies to the main spar (like the W.A.F.'s.) I've heard/read 10 ft. lbs. but just wanted to see what others were doing. The ole that-feels-about-right method might be okay too ;-) Thoughts? Also, anyone have any experience with those type assemblies coming loose over time, kinda like a wood prop would if you don't chase it due to seasonal changes, etc... Thanks, Matt http://kr1.infinigral.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:15:52 +1300 From: peter Subject: Re: KR> Magic Number To: KRnet Message-ID: <004101c4aea9$d5ddde90$0100a8c0@PWE01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 New Zealand CAA put out a AWB on these in 1979 because some WAF's must have shown play. They cite one case of .75" total movement at the wing tip. Suggested fix is to ream WAF holes oversize, and machine inserts to fit close tolerance AN bolts, with a spreader tube between the inserts. Torque specified was just sufficient to nip up the spacer tube. I quite like the idea of inserts and spacer for removeable/folding wings, having a better bearing area on the bolts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Elder" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:33 PM Subject: KR> Magic Number > > All, > > Looking for information on the "magic number" for torquing assemblies > to the main spar (like the W.A.F.'s.) I've heard/read 10 ft. lbs. but just wanted to see what others were doing. The ole that-feels-about-right method might be okay too ;-) Thoughts? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:50:24 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Magic Number for torquing assemblies to the main spar To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <416905E0.000004.03956@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I always used "tight". Check the bolts that hold the WAF's on, because the wood will shrink over time. When I bought my first KR ( 90% complete and only took 6 more years to finish ), I found that the bolts were very loose and "snugged" them up. You want to be careful not to crush the wood. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:17:11 -0400 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: Re: KR> Aileron Counterbalance Arm. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041010.081711.-672867.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mark I made mine out of steel angle after seeing Jim F's. last year. I did not make it any longer than needed than to get 2 bolts in to hold the lead on and I held the lead as far forward as possable to just clear the spar to keep the lead weigth to a min. I'll check the sizes after church for ya. Joe On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:36:02 -0500 "Mark Jones" writes: > Those of you that have made aileron counterbalance arms, how long is > the bracket leg the weight sits on? Also, what material did you > make your brackets from? > > Thanks. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:27:45 -0400 From: paulwasp@webtv.net Subject: Re: KR> Magic Number To: peter@pwe.co.nz (peter), krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <26624-416938D1-13@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII The plans say 25 inch pounds for the WAF's. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:56:08 -0400 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: Re: KR> Aileron Counterbalance Arm. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041010.125609.-770419.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain > > Those of you that have made aileron counterbalance arms, how long > is > > the bracket leg the weight sits on? Also, what material did you > > make your brackets from? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA Mark-- I just measured mine. It is 3 3/4 inches long and the lead hangs off another inch or so. Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:22:39 -0400 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: KR> AC Registration To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041010.132240.-1011547.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Guys, I'm still a little fuzzy on the correct order to get registered. Can the request for the N number be sent in separately or does it have to be sent at the same time as the rest of the registration documents and they fill in the blanks where the N number is missing ?? I want to get it right on the first try and I'm not sure about this because they say incomplete documents will be returned or delayed. Thanks in advance Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:31:39 GMT From: "jscott.pilot@juno.com" Subject: Re: KR> Flying with the KR "nuts" To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041010.103143.17147.1247007@webmail20.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain It's great fun flying with the KR bunch. The majority of KR pilots I've flown around handle their planes much better than the average pilot. Just arrived in Tucson following the Copperstate Fly-in in Casa Grande, AZ. It was great to get to see some of the KR Gang there too. On arrival I was met by a gentleman wearing MVN KR shirt. Was also joined by Lee Van Dyke, Troy Johnson, John Roffey and others for some KR chat during the day Saturday. The KRs also faired well in the judging. Steve Glover and I both took home plaques for 1 and 2 in Best Custom Wood Aircraft awards. That's 3 years running that a KR has taken Best Custom Wood Aircraft at Copperstate! -Jeff -- "Tommy Waymack" wrote: Ok lets be fair.The KR pilots are pretty good flyers.I really enjoy the flying at the gathering.Being in the pattern and in close sometimes with other KR pilots can be pretty exiting.Hey Jeff enjoyed your flying and the KR that was really hauling it was the KR1 I think or maybe JF could be 1MR.At 1000AGL it just looks great.The parade to the parade was what it must have looked like on D-day.Being number eight out of 9 gives you an unfogettable veiw.Flying the photo shoot was a good exercise in getting 5 or 6 airplanes in one place at the same time with out occupying the same airspace.Thanks for all the safe attitudes and good airwork.Tommy W. _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:35:20 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> AC Registration To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <416972D8.000003.02764@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Joe, You can reserve a number for a year to $10 and renew it each year for another $10. This keeps your number. You can register on line anytime you want to. You can do it when you first get the number or anytime after that. I reserved ours 2 years ago and this year at renewal time, I will register it instead. I did not register before because I did not want the tax people bothering me, which they will as soon as the FAA reports that you have registered a plane. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:34:32 GMT From: "jscott.pilot@juno.com" Subject: Re: KR> AC Registration To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041010.103446.17147.1247036@webmail20.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain You can request or reserve an "N" number at any time. You can register at any time also, but there is little need to register the plane more than a few months before it flies. If you do reserve an "N" number, the FAA would like an annual nominal fee to keep your number reserved. -Jeff -- Joseph H Horton wrote: Guys, I'm still a little fuzzy on the correct order to get registered. Can the request for the N number be sent in separately or does it have to be sent at the same time as the rest of the registration documents and they fill in the blanks where the N number is missing ?? I want to get it right on the first try and I'm not sure about this because they say incomplete documents will be returned or delayed. Thanks in advance Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:41:23 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> AC Registration To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001501c4aef0$5cb0ef20$91b272d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And the tax people WILL bother you. Got my N numbers 5 years before completion and the Vermont tax people were right on me as soon as registering. I explained over and over again, but they would not listen and finally threatened enough,...so I paid up to avoid legal costs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 1:35 PM Subject: Re: KR> AC Registration > Joe, > > You can reserve a number for a year to $10 and renew it each year for > another $10. This keeps your number. You can register on line anytime > you want to. You can do it when you first get the number or anytime > after that. > I reserved ours 2 years ago and this year at renewal time, I will > register it instead. I did not register before because I did not want > the tax people > bothering me, which they will as soon as the FAA reports that you have > registered a plane. > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:52:26 +0000 From: "alphabravo pilot" Subject: KR> Aeroelasticity To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi frindes ..hope all of you are fine and and well ...these quistion are very important for me ,the reson is because I did not fly any kr2s in whall my life ...ok my quistions are : -1 Do we have to mass balance the control surfaces? -2 has any body encouter any flutter or unusual viprations at high speed ? Best regards to all of you and many thanks for your co-oprating your frinde in the east NASSER AL www.uaespaces.com _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:01:22 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Aeroelasticity - 1 Do we have to mass balance the control surfaces? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <416978F2.000005.02764@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The more you balance, the better it is. However, you MUST balance the ailerons. If you have a fast plane, I suggest you balance all of them. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:03:03 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Aeroelasticity To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20041010135816.01ccf1b0@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:52 PM 10/10/2004, you wrote: >Hi frindes ..hope all of you are fine and and well ...these quistion >are very important for me ,the reson is because I did not fly any kr2s >in whall my life ...ok my quistions are : > >-1 Do we have to mass balance the control surfaces? The short answer is Yes. The longer answer is that ailerons MUST be balanced, elevators can be balanced, and rudders are not really a concern. >-2 has any body encouter any flutter or unusual viprations at high >speed ? Supposedly, one KR based based plane broke apart during a high speed run and it is believed that a mass balance broke off of one aileron and it went into flutter. This happened at one of the gathers back in the 80's. Don Reid - donreid "at" erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://www.eaa231.org/AeroFoil/index.htm KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:09:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Aileron Travel? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Cc: Jerry Message-ID: <41697ACB.000009.02764@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I do believe that it is 20 deg up and 10 deg down, but I cannot find it in my book. I see that part about the elevator, but either the aileron travel is not in there or I just can't find it. I just need to make sure before I flox in the aileron spar. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:09:19 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> Aileron Travel? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220041001019919187@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Paragraph 10.66 (under aileron balancing) Full travel aileron is 20degrees T.E.P. and 10 T.E.D. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Dan Heath > To: krnet@mylist.net > Cc: Jerry > Date: 10/10/2004 2:09:12 PM > Subject: KR> Aileron Travel? > > I do believe that it is 20 deg up and 10 deg down, but I cannot find > it in my book. I see that part about the elevator, but either the > aileron travel is not in there or I just can't find it. I just need to > make sure before I flox in the aileron spar. > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:45:32 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" Subject: Re: KR> drills$WAF's To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c4aef9$ee497de0$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan, Putting the gear at the WAF's also concerned me some untill I saw how the gear on N250KB was mounted. It flew for long like that without suffering any side effects of having the gear mounted there and it was only attached to the front spar. I am also using the 18% airfoil at the root so the spar is theoretically a bit stronger than stock as well. I suppose we will see when it gets into the air some day. by the way, for those who thought I was building a gear that folded back like the original KR retracts, I am building a gear that folds inwards towards the fuz and completely retracts into the wing which closes up behind (under) it. Absolutely nothing dragging out there in the wind at all so no fairings necessary at all. Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Cc: "Dan Diehl" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:35 PM Subject: Re: KR> drills$WAF's > RE: My design does not have any attach brackets to speak of as they > piggy back on the WAF bolts (aluminuim plate straddling the two WAF's) > > Dean, > > Are you sure that is a good idea, adding all the stress of landings to > the WAFs?? ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:00:36 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Aileron Counterbalance Arm. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001601c4af0c$357efe80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks all..... Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph H Horton" To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: Re: KR> Aileron Counterbalance Arm. > > > > > Those of you that have made aileron counterbalance arms, how long > > is > > > the bracket leg the weight sits on? Also, what material did you > > > make your brackets from? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > > Wales, WI USA > Mark-- I just measured mine. It is 3 3/4 inches long and the lead > hangs off another inch or so. Joe Horton > Coopersburg, Pa. > joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:58:22 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Aileron Counterbalance Arm. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <010401c4af0b$e48614f0$4c31ddcb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Also, what material did you make your brackets from? ---------- Mark I had a aircraft engineer look at the counter weight drawings, and his first comment was the bracket should have a web welded to it, With a lead weight hanging of it, it could be a weak point. Bracket length, as close to the rear spar as you can get, i.e.. longer bracket, LESS weight. or make the bracket from 4130, and web it, the weight will just mean less lead on the end of it. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:22:31 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> Speed brake Kit? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <8a.16fcd9f6.2e9b1027@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" A couple people have shown interest in my "ultra simple" VW speed brake assy. Somebody suggested that I should build them - ready to install. I have the necessary stuff to begine making a few if anybody was interested. A price @ 150.00 was suggested for the handle, torque tube, pushrod, and brake. It would be able to be installed in an hour or so. It only requires you to drill four holes in the floor for brackets and a slotted hole for the pushrod to run through. The speed brake is then screwed to the crossbrace under the spar. Very siple and works well. The handle is positioned by your left knee and easy to access. Ive had good success with it. Thoughts? Bill Clapp ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:02:44 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Speed brake Kit? To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000e01c4af1d$40ba7390$2e3cd0d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I could go for that. Doug Rupert -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of IFLYKRS@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:23 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Speed brake Kit? A couple people have shown interest in my "ultra simple" VW speed brake assy. Somebody suggested that I should build them - ready to install. I have the necessary stuff to begine making a few if anybody was interested. A price @ 150.00 was suggested for the handle, torque tube, pushrod, and brake. It would be able to be installed in an hour or so. It only requires you to drill four holes in the floor for brackets and a slotted hole for the pushrod to run through. The speed brake is then screwed to the crossbrace under the spar. Very siple and works well. The handle is positioned by your left knee and easy to access. Ive had good success with it. Thoughts? Bill Clapp ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:46:28 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> Speed brake kit - order To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <25.50428c95.2e9b23d4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If you are interested in a speed brake kit - call me a 229-242-2978 and let me know. I will build you one up and then let you know when it is ready and ship to you. Then you can send funds if it works out. I will attempt to have a couple made up this week just to test the waters to see who would be interested. Bill I also have bodywork and paint facilities available for KR guys. Either as part of my business(for profit) or I can rent out space and advise as am currently doing for one KR builder. Anything I can do to help. Bill ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:24:58 -0400 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: KR> HS Update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002f01c4af28$bda13d70$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, I came home from the Gathering pumped and set out to make good progress on my KR (in between dodging hurricanes). I've spent the last 2 weeks working hard on my horizontal stabilizer. It never goes as fast as you would hope. :-) You can see my progress at: http://www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/HS.html I still have foam and glass to do, but the woodwork is done... It's been relatively quiet today, hope all is well out in KR land. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:33:37 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> HS Update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004201c4af29$f3927c40$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nice job Dean,I'm rebuilding mine starting tomorrow.They was done using the stock templates.I'm going to give the new templates a try...Bob > Netters, > > I came home from the Gathering pumped and set out to make good > progress on my KR (in between dodging hurricanes). I've spent the > last 2 weeks working > hard on my horizontal stabilizer. It never goes as fast as you would hope. > :-) You can see my progress at: > > http://www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/HS.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:03:10 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> AC Registration To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have been trying to get my Midget Mustang registered quick since it will be ready in less than a month. I have read all the paperwork and then called EAA and the FAA to be double sure I didn't do anything wrong. If you don't care what N number you get you just leave it blank. If you want to request a special one go to http://registry.faa.gov and do it online. You can call them in about two days to confirm that you got the number at 405-954-4206. The paperwork you need to send in is the 8050-1 registration form and the 8050-88 Affidavit of Ownership For Amateur-built Aircraft. One VERY IMPORTANT thing to do that is easy to miss is to print your name under the signature on the 8050-1 or they will kick it back. Include a check for $5.00 with the registration. Instead of requesting the N number online and waiting a few days to make sure it goes through you can just check available numbers online then submit a list of five of them in order of preference with the registration. Include a check for $15 if you do that. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Joseph H Horton Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 1:23 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> AC Registration Guys, I'm still a little fuzzy on the correct order to get registered. Can the request for the N number be sent in separately or does it have to be sent at the same time as the rest of the registration documents and they fill in the blanks where the N number is missing ?? I want to get it right on the first try and I'm not sure about this because they say incomplete documents will be returned or delayed. Thanks in advance Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:32:23 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: RE: KR> AC Registration To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041010203223.007b5560@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >If you don't care what N number you get you just leave it blank. If >you want to request a special one go to http://registry.faa.gov and do >it online. >Brian Kraut +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If you want something a bit different go through some old aviation history books and see if the N #'s of any of the famous airplanes are available. I tried to get the "Spirit of St.Louis" N number (X-211) but the EAA has it on the replica "Spirit of St.Louis" (211) so I ended up getting 211 with my initials ( 211LF). When I was checking there were several numbers from famous aircraft available. I thought of getting just the number 1 but the FAA has blocked (reserved) the first 100 or so numbers. Bummer! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:52:35 -0700 From: "Douglas Dorfmeier" Subject: KR> KR Parts For Sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have the following KR parts for sale: KR2S Premolded Top Deck Package. Original cost $1935; asking $1400. KR2S Premolded Cowling. Original cost $415; asking $250. Rand Robinson Premolded Header Fuel Tank. Original cost $285; asking $180. Vertical Card Compass. Original cost $189; asking $110. Bendix TR-2061 Transponder w/altitude Reporter (used). Original cost $295; asking $200. I am located in Northern California about an hour north of Sacramento. Email questions to douglas_dorfmeier@msn.com, or you can call me at 530-432-2871. Doug Dorfmeier _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeŽ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 157 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================