From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 17 Date: 4/8/2004 6:56:23 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Air Cooled Engines accessories (Ron Eason) 2. Re: !! (Orma Robbins) 3. RE: !! (Doug Rupert) 4. RE: !! (Doug Rupert) 5. Solid wing - no wafs (Steve and Lori McGee) 6. Re: elevator mass balancing!! G-loads (Steve and Lori McGee) 7. RUDDER /BRAKE PEDAL (Flymaca711689@aol.com) 8. RE: Re: KR> Bbq at S-n-F (Brian Kraut) 9. RE: RUDDER /BRAKE PEDAL (Brian Kraut) 10. Bad Manners (ronevogt@cox.net) 11. Re: Re: KR> Bbq at S-n-F (Virgil Salisbury) 12. Re: !! (Glynnis Young) 13. Re: KR2 aircraft model in new DUATS flight planner (Ross Youngblood) 14. Re: !! Glynnis / good conversation. (Phillip Matheson) 15. Wing Sections (Stephen Jacobs) 16. Glynnis (Eric Evezard) 17. Re: Spar Design (Edward Seaman) 18. Re: !! (Aeroeng39@aol.com) 19. Re: Spar Design (larry severson) 20. Sandpaper in lengths (Bob Stone) 21. Sandpaper in lengths (larry flesner) 22. Re: Sandpaper in lengths (Mark Jones) 23. Re: Sandpaper in lengths (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 24. long sandpaper (jim @ synergy design) 25. Re: Rudder Hinges (Phillip Matheson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:11:11 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: KR> Air Cooled Engines accessories To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00c401c41cfd$ffdca390$6501a8c0@Administration> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FYI, The more I look at this site the more I like it. www.aircooled.net Ron ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:21:01 -0400 From: "Orma Robbins" Subject: Re: KR> !! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <04f401c41cff$604bb8f0$e33ed445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The spar pillar spacing I accidently deleted some of the threads about this subject, and like Mark, I have no real engineering experiese in this area. I do remember that these pillars have been called load distribution blocks. In a discussion long ago it was mentioned that if the rigidity of the wing changed, then the stress is changed(moved). It was said that care must be taken to ensure that the stress load that would be taken up by the bending of the spar of a standard wing is not somehow transferred to the WAF's by a wing that no longer bends as it should as would be the case by changing the spacing of the load distribution blocks or in some other way making the spar less flexable like installing a large tank. My non expert opinion is that if the wing is less flexible then the original design then the G loading of the wing should be reduced. Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:30:24 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> !! To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c41d00$aff91a40$1e6cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually the "G" posting wasn't out of line at all if one knows something about physics as well as Aeronautical Engineering. I do believe and correct me if I'm wrong but the amount of G's that is placed upon a structure varies greatly as the moment arm gets longer. Now in plain English, the further aft the part in question is from the Center of Gravity, the more stress that is placed upon it in maneuvers. Problem with the original posting was that the point was really unclear. The only reason I was able to decipher the post was my background as a helicopter test pilot where we intentionally loaded aircraft to the maximum of the flight envelope to see what would happen in extreme circumstances. However vague the response it did cause people to question further and this after all is how people learn. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+drupert=sympatico.ca@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+drupert=sympatico.ca@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Glynnis Young Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:22 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> !! I was really looking fwd to learning from this amazing gathering of informed, educated and versed men. I was wrong, I would do well to hurry back and seek access to the LMA - hope they will have me. I tend to be honest (outspoken) and males don't like that. I also tend to give freely any knowledge I may have (about flight). Strangely, males also seem to dislike that. An interesting questions about spar design had me on the edge of my seat - could not wait to hear the replies. Nothing, the question was ignored. However, some half-wit with limited linguistic abilities raise some macho topic about G forces in 60 degree turns and we are all ablaze and we all have something to say. With one exception, most of the comments were absolute garbage anyway. I know, I teach. Who gives hoot how a prehistoric trainer handles - the small penis brigade cannot wait to tell their bit (of BS). I somehow thought that the focus would be on how to make the KR better, safer, stronger and in the air. I know this is my last appearance - no doubt the good Mr. Langford will jettison me in short order, but on the way out: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:42:43 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> !! To: "'Orma Robbins'" , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000301c41d02$67f6bca0$1e6cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Another way around this problem, for those that have the room required for such a structure is to build the wing as a single structure, wing tip to wing tip, thereby eliminating the WAF's altogether. This is the way Marcel Jurca designed the wing structure for his 75% Spitfire replica and it has proved a very strong structure. Personally, I would try this on my personal KR before actually endorsing the practice but plan on exactly that as well as keeping a very detailed record as to time involved and overall weight. I also like the idea of being able to keep all fuel in the wings and out of the cockpit for obvious reasons. Will keep you updated as construction begins. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Orma Robbins Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:21 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> !! The spar pillar spacing I accidently deleted some of the threads about this subject, and like Mark, I have no real engineering experiese in this area. I do remember that these pillars have been called load distribution blocks. In a discussion long ago it was mentioned that if the rigidity of the wing changed, then the stress is changed(moved). It was said that care must be taken to ensure that the stress load that would be taken up by the bending of the spar of a standard wing is not somehow transferred to the WAF's by a wing that no longer bends as it should as would be the case by changing the spacing of the load distribution blocks or in some other way making the spar less flexable like installing a large tank. My non expert opinion is that if the wing is less flexible then the original design then the G loading of the wing should be reduced. Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR http://www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:49:26 -0500 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" Subject: KR> Solid wing - no wafs To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007d01c41d03$57de9990$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Had I started from scratch and knew what I do now, I would have done the solid wing also. Stronger, less weight and cheaper. Just need the room to build it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rupert" To: "'Orma Robbins'" ; "'KRnet'" Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:42 PM Subject: RE: KR> !! > Another way around this problem, for those that have the room required > for such a structure is to build the wing as a single structure, wing > tip to wing tip, thereby eliminating the WAF's altogether. This is the > way Marcel Jurca designed the wing structure for his 75% Spitfire > replica and it has proved a very strong structure. Personally, I would > try this on my personal > KR before actually endorsing the practice but plan on exactly that as > well as keeping a very detailed record as to time involved and overall > weight. I > also like the idea of being able to keep all fuel in the wings and out > of the cockpit for obvious reasons. Will keep you updated as > construction begins. Doug Rupert > Simcoe Ontario. > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of Orma Robbins > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:21 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> !! > > The spar pillar spacing > > I accidently deleted some of the threads about this subject, and like Mark, > I have no real engineering experiese in this area. I do remember that these > pillars have been called load distribution blocks. In a discussion > long ago > it was mentioned that if the rigidity of the wing changed, then the > stress is changed(moved). It was said that care must be taken to > ensure that the stress load that would be taken up by the bending of > the spar of a standard > wing is not somehow transferred to the WAF's by a wing that no longer bends > as it should as would be the case by changing the spacing of the load > distribution blocks or in some other way making the spar less flexable like > installing a large tank. My non expert opinion is that if the wing is less > flexible then the original design then the G loading of the wing > should be reduced. > > Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI > 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR > http://www.aviation-mechanics.com > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:54:21 -0500 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" Subject: Re: KR>elevator mass balancing!! G-loads To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008301c41d04$077f8990$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I know that the wings carry the load in flight, thats why I wanted to go with the wing tanks to stress the wafs less. But what I was getting at was that if 8 inches required 15 Gs - then what does a 125 pound wing with gravity center 40 inches out create in a hard landing? What IS a hard landing? 1.5 Gs? 3? That is for plane weight - what is the folcrum result on the WAFs? Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: KR>elevator mass balancing!! > > Steve, > I can not answer all your questions in your original but I would like > to touch on the above. The weight of the fuel tanks you speak of are > only stressing the WAF's when the plane is on the ground. In flight, > the wings support all the weight of the tanks. > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:26:14 EDT From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: KR> RUDDER /BRAKE PEDAL To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" IM RETHINKING MY BRAKE RUDDER SET UP IF I APPLY BRAKES IT ALL SO APPLIES TENSION ON THE RUDDER CABLES THIS CANT BE GOOD. MINE LOOKS REAL NICE C150 PEDALS FLOWN OVER 250 HRS LIKE THIS LOOKS THE SAME AS MARK LANGFORDS SET UP IS THIS THE NORM TO HAVE SOME TENSION APPLIED TO THE CABLES WITH BRAKES APPLIED? ANY FEED BACK OUT THERE THANKS MAC. MAC N1055A FLYMACA711689@AOL.COM ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:33:19 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Re: KR> Bbq at S-n-F To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That sounds like a good idea to me. I will be there. I would still like to host a KR barbecue one night, but I won't know exactly where it is until I get there and scope things out. When I get there Monday I will figure it out and post the time and place Tuesday. If anyone wants to come, but will not have access to their email send me an email offline at brian.kraut@engalt.com and I will give you my cell phone number so you can call me and get the location. Food will be on me, but BYOB. I don't take reservations, but please email me if you plan to attend so I have an idea on how much food to get and how big a place I need. Also, let me know what days you will be at SNF so I can get an idea on what day the most people will be there. Again, please send this to me offline at brian.kraut@engalt.com, not to the entire list. Anyone caught replying to the whole list will be responsible for bringing at least a bag of chips. The obvious best time for it would probably be the day after the KR forum so that everyone there gets an invitation, but I don't know if there is a forum this year. I saw the question asked last week, but never did see an answer. Does anyone know? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dana Overall Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:26 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: Re: KR> Bbq at S-n-F Just another thought here. Previously I have hosted a very successful Beer and Brats at SNF. Had well over 50 there last year. Since I am flying in this year with Langford and Doug Steen, I'm not going to load the airplane down. Jimmy Buffet now has three tents at show center appropriately called "Margarettaville". They serve adult beverages and the best food at SNF. Saturday night is the night airshow. Why not organize a very informal KR get together at Margarettaville around 5-6PM on Saturday, eat dinner, drink a cold one, watch the airshow and retire to a campground for some hangar flying. Easy, not need to organize and a lot of fun. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/ direct/01/ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 23:00:51 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> RUDDER /BRAKE PEDAL To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That is normal. I thought long and hard about coming up with a better way when I snapped off the welded rudder pedal tube and almost took out a light at the end of the runway when I started my first taxi testing. If you check the archives you can find some of the previous posts on this. My pedal failure was due to a weld without full penetration. The original builder apparently was not the best welder. I added some reinforcements and rewelded the pedals and didn't have any problems after that. If I were building another KR I would probably beef up the rudder horns just for the heck of it, but I can tell you from experience that an impact to the left pedal strong enough to have me on crutches for a week and still no feeling in the bottom of my left foot after three months did not bend the stock rudder horn. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Flymaca711689@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 10:26 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> RUDDER /BRAKE PEDAL IM RETHINKING MY BRAKE RUDDER SET UP IF I APPLY BRAKES IT ALL SO APPLIES TENSION ON THE RUDDER CABLES THIS CANT BE GOOD. MINE LOOKS REAL NICE C150 PEDALS FLOWN OVER 250 HRS LIKE THIS LOOKS THE SAME AS MARK LANGFORDS SET UP IS THIS THE NORM TO HAVE SOME TENSION APPLIED TO THE CABLES WITH BRAKES APPLIED? ANY FEED BACK OUT THERE THANKS MAC. MAC N1055A FLYMACA711689@AOL.COM _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 23:24:41 -0400 From: Subject: KR> Bad Manners To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040408032442.FTCH7773.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can you guys image what the response would be if one of us made a comment on the KR Net about a female builder's genitalia? I do believe that Ms. Glyniss has a bit of a chip on her shoulder. A chip that has to be at least twice as big as her...brain. I guess she feels that because she teaches, (hopefully not flying), she has the right to insult the good members of our beloved KR Net. In my humble opinion, I think not. Banish the wench forever! RV ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 23:29:07 -0400 From: Virgil Salisbury Subject: Re: Re: KR> Bbq at S-n-F To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040407.232907.2012.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No KR Forum planned by RR this year. Just talked to Jeannette and she wishes all well. KR guys are all gentlemen to her. Any Gals building out there, She appreciates you as well. She has a fax on 24/7 and answering machine. Leave a number or address and calls will be returned, or mail reply done Will see you all at the KR Dinner, FRIDAY Night, 7 PM, Holiday Inn NORTH. Note change from Holiday Inn South!!!! $16.00, Roast Beef, Chicken. LES, You take over NEXT Year. Saturday night BBQ and night show sounds GREAT, Virg huff puff Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 05:35:14 +0100 (BST) From: Glynnis Young Subject: Re: KR> !! To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040408043514.50789.qmail@web25210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sorry Guys - should have thought through it first G --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:38:15 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> KR2 aircraft model in new DUATS flight planner To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 I've been beta testing this software, and it is MILES ahead of the old Cirrus software! -- Ross On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:32:58 -0700, John Bouyea wrote: > Hey guys. > This is not an advertisement. I do want to tell you that the new > DUATS weather briefing and flight planning tool went to duplication > today. Approximately 7000 copies of the program will be distributed at > Sun & Fun in Buildings B & D. The basic program and access to DUATS > is free. > > A little bird told me the default selected aircraft is a KR2 > performance model. There are many other airplane models in the > software a user can pick. The FIRST one they'll see is our little > favorite. > > Just doing my part to "spread the word." > > John Bouyea > KR2 - hanging the engine accessories > KR2S - boat hanging from the rafters > > john_0310@bouyea.net > www.bouyea.net > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:02:22 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> !! Glynnis / good conversation. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011901c41d37$71276330$6396dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Glynnis, nice to hear from someone with something worth while to say. Hope you stay on. As a person who teaches others , I'm sure your experience is very welcome. Dana , I started the G talk on mass balance, and it was going well for a while. and thanks to those who added useful information. Please everyone keep up with the useful information. All the best from Down Under. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:48:32 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: KR> Wing Sections To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000201c41d57$0cc39100$2764a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Guys (and Ms. Young) For anyone interested in the performance of various wing sections, the following software is really neat and easy to download and use. It has info on thousands of sections, I was amazed to find even the AS sections developed for the KR's included in the library. http://www.profili2.com/eng/default.htm The basic program is shareware, and that is probably enough. I opted to send him $15 (he actually asked for a donation of something less) - in return he provided a key to use the full version 2.14. The software has its origins in aero modeling but I find it extremely useful for comparing sections and drawing out sections. Caters for Polars Cl; Cd; Cl/Cd; Cm; Alpha (Reynolds Number is a variable) Animated drawing of the Cp distribution of any airfoil (your choice of RN) through a range of Alpha (-8 to +13) proved interesting on the AS5046 - particularly with the exaggerated aft high point (bulge) at the bottom. I am curious as to how this will effects aileron control at high AofA - the 18% section could be even more interesting in this regard. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:30:01 +0200 From: "Eric Evezard" Subject: KR> Glynnis To: "KR NEWS" Message-ID: <009b01c41d5c$f449f1e0$b2ce07c4@user> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Glynnis your barrage really cheered me up and I roared with laughter,particularly your command of vocabulary.As I have been waiting six months now for final inspection,(South Africa !!!),your comments nearly had me hosing myself (as indelicate as they were) We men really need a kick in the right place now and again.!You can teach my grandkids any time and my four great grandkids as well.The KR is a very strong aircraft,much like an inflated baloon.strong,flexible,used and abused,but unfortunately it only takes one prick.I am sure that if some men were sent to blow up an enemy tank they would burn their mouths on the exhausts.Nice work Glynnis!! Best Regards to all, Eric Evezard. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:08:24 +0100 (BST) From: Edward Seaman Subject: Re: KR> Spar Design To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040408120824.24773.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Stephen Jacobs wrote: > > Hi Stve Been watching for a while and joined recently - hope to start a KR2S this summer. +++My plans are very old (circa 1976/77) No kidding - that is nearly 30 years - how long has this little airplane been around? +++Maybe spar breathing? I have seen pictures where a hole was drilled in each post (pillar) for ventilation (pressure equalization). On this spar all pillars were full depth (width?) in contact with the ply front and back. ++++ all the way out (through the joiners at half span). Why continue with a laminated spar after the joiners - no more bends. ++++ Is there and engineering reason /principle that makes this a bad idea? Can't see why - if anything it will make the calculations easier - BUT I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO COMMENT I opted for the P51 wing P51 like in WW II NA Mustang?? Where did you find this - can I have the details? Ashok 15% ??? Ed ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:50:48 EDT From: Aeroeng39@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> !! To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1e8.1d5dbba5.2da6ced8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Re: KR> !! Sorry Guys - should have thought through it first G It amazes me that this childish behavior on our KRnet is still continuuing. I know for a fact that gyoung could not possibly have the experience that I have accumulated unless she's one of the few female pilots accepted into military combat flight. Nor the experience that encompasses the combined knowledge, experience and "mistakes" that the long time members of KRnet have accumulated as a whole over these great years of improving our fantastic little KR bird. With all my experience, even as a mil. instructor pilot, I know I still don't know everything and will always be a student. Therefore who cares what she thinks. It's just her opinion and even though we may have a few different parts, "we all got an a-hole" just like her opinion. Nevertheless, her words have no accreditation. So Gentlemen and ladies, please keep to the subject of KR related topics not personal bashing. If you want to spit at each other. Give each other a call on the phone and get it over with. I open "ALL" my KR mails with hopes that I might learn something new that I haven't thought of or that has been experienced by another, or maybe someone found a mistake that would prove to be vital to my construction. I don't appreciate, as those reading this letter now at this moment, reading mail that is commensurate to childish bullying on the playground. I open all my mail because I might miss some good advice so Please stop so that I don't have to read the bull... Peter Sanchez Apache Junction AZ KR2S ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 08:59:53 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Spar Design To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040408085701.00b25a58@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >+++My plans are very old (circa 1976/77) Get the new ones (1990). They are substantially better. (I have both). >No kidding - that is nearly 30 years - how long has >this little airplane been around? 1972. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:20:54 -0500 From: "Bob Stone" Subject: KR> Sandpaper in lengths To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <000801c41dc0$2465e380$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Builders, one of the problems I encountered while building was where to get sandpaper in long strips to put on a long board for sanding the foam on wings mostly. I have never seen long strips of it in any of the hardware outlets in my area, however I just recrived a catalog from a company that sells sandpaper in almost every configuration there is, including long strips. They say on the front of their catalog, they ship on the same day they get the order providing they get it before 12:00 Noon. I hope this information will be of help to some of you. A & H Abrasives 1108 North Glenn Road Casper, Wyoming, 82601 Phone: 1-800-831-6066 FAX: 1-307-237-4122 Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:44:51 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Sandpaper in lengths To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040408184451.007de870@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Builders, one of the problems I encountered while building was > where to get sandpaper in long strips to put on a long board for sanding the foam on wings mostly. >Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ When building a sanding board for the wings or other foam sanding applications, use the heaviest grit you can get. I used wing walk material that probably equals 60 grit or more. I was using the standard (urathane?) KR foam. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:53:13 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Sandpaper in lengths To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b101c41dc4$a7b26b60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is an ACE Hardware close to me which is like a super store. They have 15' (if I remember correctly) long rolls by 4" wide which is self sticking. I could not believe it when I found this since I had been looking for some time for some. I will be purchasing some this week in order to sand my wings. I think it was about $18 for the roll. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: KR> Sandpaper in lengths > Builders, one of the problems I encountered while building was > where to get sandpaper in long strips to put on a long board for sanding the foam on wings mostly. I have never seen long strips of it in any of the hardware outlets in my area, however I just recrived a catalog from a company that sells sandpaper in almost every configuration there is, including long strips. They say on the front of their catalog, they ship on the same day they get the order providing they get it before 12:00 Noon. I hope this information will be of help to some of you. > > A & H Abrasives > 1108 North Glenn Road > Casper, Wyoming, 82601 > Phone: 1-800-831-6066 > FAX: 1-307-237-4122 > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rstone4@hot.rr.com > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:08:14 -0700 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> Sandpaper in lengths To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b201c41dc6$c1011420$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've found rolls of self sticking sandpaper also at Lowes and Tooltown in various grits here recently in my home town. I bought a roll of each. It ranged from 320 to 80 grit. the stuff at Tooltown is made by 3M, Part# 00395 for the 80 grit and its 4 1/2" X 10 yds. Bud Midkiff KR2S Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net website: http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: Re: KR> Sandpaper in lengths > There is an ACE Hardware close to me which is like a super store. They have > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:24:09 -0600 From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: KR> long sandpaper To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <002401c41dd1$5d208840$0101a8c0@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey all, You can get long lengths of sandpaper 3 in. wide and approx 9 ft. long that fit a woodworking drum sander(performax) at woodworking supply stores(Rockler,Woodcraft, or any place that sells to professional woodworkers)can't remember price. A little spray glue and you can make a mess! Happy Building, Jim Sporka kr2s/vcorvair/collecting dust in Colorado. ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:58:39 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Rudder Hinges To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ad01c41dd6$2e6515c0$a496dccb@ralf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all. I have fitted the Rod end bearings Hinges to my elevator. ( 5) My question is: When fitting the same Rod ends to the Rudder, How or is the rod end effected having the side load( weight) of the rudder on the bearing??? I'm thinking that the rod end may not be designed to be fitted in that configuration Comments please. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 17 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================