From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 192 Date: 11/4/2004 5:46:50 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: KR2S Tailwheel (Brian Kraut) 2. Re: Turtle deck modification (F Ross) 3. UK KR2 builders (Serge VIDAL) 4. Re: Turtle deck modification (patrusso) 5. Re: Turtle deck modification (patrusso) 6. Re: alirons (RENOSADLER@aol.com) 7. KR2S Tailwheel (larry flesner) 8. KR2S Tailwheel (larry flesner) 9. KR2S Tailwheel (Oscar Zuniga) 10. Re: alirons (patrusso) 11. (no subject) (patrusso) 12. RE: KR2S Tailwheel (Brian Kraut) 13. RE: alirons (Brian Kraut) 14. Tailwheels - Perspective (Dan Heath) 15. GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (Aircraft Spruce) 16. GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (The Ainsworths) 17. Re: GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (Bill Starrs) 18. Re: GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (Dan Heath) 19. Re: GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (Barry Kruyssen) 20. Re: GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (Kenneth B. Jones) 21. Price fixing (Martindale Family) 22. Re: GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (Donald Reid) 23. New email address (Donald Reid) 24. RE: GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (Doug Rupert) 25. RE: GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (Doug Rupert) 26. Computerized instrument panel (Stephen and Janet Henderson) 27. Re: GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (Phillip Matheson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:05:43 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> KR2S Tailwheel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I had a Matco full swivel on my last KR and I loved it. I would highly recomment a full swivel. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 7:27 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> KR2S Tailwheel Should the tailwheel filler block and tail spring wedge block be made from hardwood? Ours is made from spruce. Can a steerable, full swivel tail wheel be used? I believe that is what Larry F. uses, and I am sure he can enlighten you on it's effectiveness. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:31:43 -0800 (PST) From: F Ross Subject: Re: KR> Turtle deck modification To: KRnet Message-ID: <20041104083143.1577.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "JC Marais (KR2)" wrote: > The resulting questions are: > 1. How do you blend the raised part to the > original part that stays intact with the tail? > JC Marais JC, For an idea, see Bob Lester's KR-2 photo at: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/pinebluff2001/ Scroll down about 3/4 of the way, or about 75 photos down. Also, I put a copy of it on my album (yahoo albums below - 'click' on "KRs"). Frank ===== Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:49:43 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: KR> UK KR2 builders To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Any UK builders, please contact me off net. Thank you. Serge Vidal Paris, France serge.vidal@sagem.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 06:48:04 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Turtle deck modification To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002f01c4c264$25c4f740$04a972d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I encountered the same with one of my projects, ie a newer canopy and need to raise the turtle deck. I removed nothing from the old deck, simply glued foam to it and sculpted it to blend in. Look at the old P-40's or earliest P-51,... see how the line from the canopy is a gentle curve down to the tail. That is an aesthetic option. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC Marais (KR2)" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:48 AM Subject: KR> Turtle deck modification > Hi All, > > First of all, thanks to all the contributors on this list. There is > always something new to learn. > > Which leads to my point: > I have changed the canopy on my plane. The result is that it stands > about 15cm (6") higher than the existing turtle deck. Now I need to > lift the turtle deck. > > The problem is that the old deck is actually quite well built, and I > do not > really want to replace the whole thing. My idea is just to replace the > forward part, of about 90cm to 130cm measured from the canopy. > > The resulting questions are: > 1. How do you blend the raised part to the original part that stays > intact with the tail? > 2. Is it safe to leave a break in the t-deck, or should it be one > continuous construction from canopy to tail? > 3. If it is OK to replace a part, what should the form be. Straight from > the canopy to the intersection, a "S" curve (like a Coke bottle), > concave, convex, or whatever? > 4. Any general tips would be welcome. > > JC Marais > Cell: 082-401-5259 > Centurion > South Africa > ********************************** > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 06:50:01 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Turtle deck modification To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003301c4c264$6b67cf20$04a972d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ...and naturally, I glassed it in with two layers of 6 0z glass! ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC Marais (KR2)" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:48 AM Subject: KR> Turtle deck modification > Hi All, > > First of all, thanks to all the contributors on this list. There is > always something new to learn. > > Which leads to my point: > I have changed the canopy on my plane. The result is that it stands > about 15cm (6") higher than the existing turtle deck. Now I need to > lift the turtle deck. > > The problem is that the old deck is actually quite well built, and I > do not > really want to replace the whole thing. My idea is just to replace the > forward part, of about 90cm to 130cm measured from the canopy. > > The resulting questions are: > 1. How do you blend the raised part to the original part that stays > intact with the tail? > 2. Is it safe to leave a break in the t-deck, or should it be one > continuous construction from canopy to tail? > 3. If it is OK to replace a part, what should the form be. Straight from > the canopy to the intersection, a "S" curve (like a Coke bottle), > concave, convex, or whatever? > 4. Any general tips would be welcome. > > JC Marais > Cell: 082-401-5259 > Centurion > South Africa > ********************************** > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:21:23 EST From: RENOSADLER@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> alirons To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <97.5192b5db.2ebb78c3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Would there be a turning problem if you shortened your alirno space from 5 feet to four on a KR-1? "" ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:14:57 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> KR2S Tailwheel To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041104071457.007dcdb0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It's a steerable full swivel that breaks away >when full rudder is pushed, then locks back in place when the plane >straightens out a little. The bellcrank is 6" on center, so I had to >redrill mine to 5" on center so it would break at the end of the rudder >travel. Mark Langford +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm using the same unit as Mark described only I didn't modify it in any way and it works GREAT. It's the 4", single fork unit. It's the side loading that does the "break-away" so it doesn't matter if it's at the end of the rudder travel or not. The break-away feature is only used at VERY LOW taxi speeds. I wouldn't trade my unit for a dozen direct steer units. I'm using "Maule" tailwheel springs ordered from either Wick's or AS&S on the steering cables. My tailspring is from a automobile from the 1920's or 30's. I found it in the attic of a blacksmith shop. My tailblock is per plans except I made it thinner to drop the tail a bit. It's really nice when on the runway, at the turnaround area, on the ramp, or at the hangar, to be able to touch a brake and do a 180 while you pivot on one of the main wheels. I'm still enough of a kid to enjoy taxiing in to where the airport "bums" are hanging out, coast in with the engine shut down, touch a brake at the last second, let the KR do a 180 on one of the mains, open the canopy and yell YEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAA. As always, your results may vary........ Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:24:14 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> KR2S Tailwheel To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041104072414.007d9eb0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I had a Matco full swivel on my last KR and I loved it. I would highly >recomment a full swivel. Brian Kraut +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Brian, I'm sure you ment "steerable" / full swivel. I started with a Matco unit and it worked very well also. I switched it out to knock about 2 pounds off the tail. Given the choices in steerable / full swivel tailwheels available I doubt I'd even consider using a swivel only or direct steer only setup. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:51:25 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> KR2S Tailwheel To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Langford writes- >It's a steerable full swivel that breaks away when full rudder is >pushed, then locks back in place when the plane straightens out a >little. ...or not, depending on how energetically you're whipping it around (as in your "210 degree rather than 180 degree" turnaround ;o) That "leaf blower/widow maker hill climb" video is fast becoming a cult classic. And who can forget the ear-splitting roar, as the kid in the orange shirt winces in pain? Yes, it's a cult classic now! Probably more exciting than your first flight video will be. Oscar Zuniga do not archive San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:02:10 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> alirons To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000f01c4c290$06ea15e0$9cb272d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Should'nt be a big deal BUT, you'd have to shorten from the inboard end, cuz that is where the wing stalls first, otherwise you'd lose control in the stall...Sooo..how will you connect the controls? Now it becomes a big deal! Change leads to change, leads to change... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:21 AM Subject: Re: KR> alirons > Would there be a turning problem if you shortened your alirno space > from 5 > feet to four on a KR-1? "" > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:27:19 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: KR> (no subject) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002601c4c293$8a3310c0$9cb272d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Re; tail wheels/blocks. I used spruce, flat on one side to bolt to boat, curved on the down side to match the curve of the spring. I used a curved piece of snowmobile trailer spring to lift my tail up just a bit more. I reversed curved the very end to accomodate the standard RR fork. The spring is thicker 1/4" for two reasons; first, I didn't like the bottom shape or angle of the RR rudder, prefering instead a line following the curve of the fuselage bottom. The thicker material and curve in the spring warrantees that the spring wont hit the rudder in a hard landing. Second, I knew that I would need to add weight to the rear end because of other design changes. This helps to avoid the use of useless ballast! My local auto spring shop made the spring for me in about ten minutes and charged me $5. Caution: I did use the KR 3/16 bolts at first, but in taxing testing one of them broke. Have gone to 1/4". So far so good ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:23:04 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> KR2S Tailwheel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That is what I meant. I have the Aviation Products, Inc. tailwheel like you have on my Midget Mustang and that is a little lighter and better suited to the KR than the Matco is. The Matco is a little better for a heavier plane. I have been planning on making a custom aluminum hub on my lathe for an inflatable wheel for the Matco one of these days. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of larry flesner Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:24 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> KR2S Tailwheel >I had a Matco full swivel on my last KR and I loved it. I would highly >recomment a full swivel. Brian Kraut +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Brian, I'm sure you ment "steerable" / full swivel. I started with a Matco unit and it worked very well also. I switched it out to knock about 2 pounds off the tail. Given the choices in steerable / full swivel tailwheels available I doubt I'd even consider using a swivel only or direct steer only setup. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:26:42 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> alirons To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You really shouldn't be using ailerons in a stall anyway. That is a good way to wind up in a spin. Shortening the outboard side of the ailerons would actually help to keep a turning stall or cross control stall from becoming a spin. Don't mean to say that this is the correct side to shorten or start a long philosophical debate on the subject, just pointing out like you did that there are a whole lot of considerations to a change like this and you need to know what you are getting into before making this kind of change. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of patrusso Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:02 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> alirons Should'nt be a big deal BUT, you'd have to shorten from the inboard end, cuz that is where the wing stalls first, otherwise you'd lose control in the stall...Sooo..how will you connect the controls? Now it becomes a big deal! Change leads to change, leads to change... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:21 AM Subject: Re: KR> alirons > Would there be a turning problem if you shortened your alirno space > from 5 > feet to four on a KR-1? "" > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:50:17 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Tailwheels - Perspective To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <418AA419.000006.02492@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just so everyone, especially the new builders, don't get the idea that you HAVE to have a full swivel breakaway tailwheel, I never regretted having a direct steer on my first KR. I felt like I could turn it on a dime. Maybe it did not literally turn over one spot, but it felt like it did. I could make it go anywhere I wanted, when I wanted. When I stepped on the rudder, it responded and when I needed to correct for overturn, it corrected immediately. I like the idea of a breakaway, if you can afford it, because it eliminates the problem of still having rudder in, when the tailwheel touches down, maybe going the wrong way. But, I never experienced this problem because I had to keep the tail up as long as it would stay up. I believe that the best tailwheel for the weight, that you can get and are willing to pay for, is what you should get. Just keep everything in perspective. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:37:04 -0800 (PST) From: Aircraft Spruce Subject: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041104223704.65781.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Bob, I noticed your posting to the KR group regarding a special price on the Garmin 296 for a quantity purchase of the units. That was surprising, since all Garmin dealers are required to sell the units at no less than $l695, and no quantity discounts are allowed. Garmin is currently looking into this matter and will address it with the Garmin dealer located in Texas who offered this discount. Aircraft Spruce has the units in stock at $l695; we wish we could discount the Garmin 296 but it simply is not permitted. Let us know any time we can be of service. Jim Irwin President, Aircraft Spruce __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:13:32 -0500 From: "The Ainsworths" Subject: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) To: Message-ID: <000001c4c2cc$4f6c6fc0$0a672fd1@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Boy, talk about shooting yourself in the foot with this post. AC Spruce has a 'goon' patrol? Gary garyains@kwic.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:25:24 -0700 From: "Bill Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <002801c4c2c5$90c06410$2028b83f@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Now why in the hell would I ever want to buy ANY THING from A/S again after a cheap shot like this. Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aircraft Spruce" To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) Dear Bob, I noticed your posting to the KR group regarding a special price on the Garmin 296 for a quantity purchase of the units. That was surprising, since all Garmin dealers are required to sell the units at no less than $l695, and no quantity discounts are allowed. Garmin is currently looking into this matter and will address it with the Garmin dealer located in Texas who offered this discount. Aircraft Spruce has the units in stock at $l695; we wish we could discount the Garmin 296 but it simply is not permitted. Let us know any time we can be of service. Jim Irwin President, Aircraft Spruce __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:40:36 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <418ACC04.000005.03736@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I guess only when, they are the only one with the marble. What a stupid move to screw you, then tell you that I screwed you and then ask you to do business with me??? There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- Now why in the hell would I ever want to buy ANY THING from A/S again after a cheap shot like this. Bill Starrs ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:59:06 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <006901c4c2d2$a86ad1b0$5b00a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So Garmin are into price fixing, along with Aircraft Spruce, who do we report them to. I wouldn't buy a gramin product now knowing that the prices are fixed high, and I certainly wouldn't buy from Aircraft Spruce. Barry Kruyssen ----- Original Message ----- From: Aircraft Spruce To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) Dear Bob, I noticed your posting to the KR group regarding a special price on the Garmin 296 for a quantity purchase of the units. That was surprising, since all Garmin dealers are required to sell the units at no less than $l695, and no quantity discounts are allowed. Garmin is currently looking into this matter and will address it with the Garmin dealer located in Texas who offered this discount. Jim Irwin President, Aircraft Spruce ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:58:44 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <030101c4c2d2$9a317630$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> I thought there were laws against "price fixing". Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aircraft Spruce" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 3:37 PM > Subject: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) > > > Dear Bob, > > I noticed your posting to the KR group regarding a > special price on the Garmin 296 for a quantity > purchase of the units. That was surprising, since all > Garmin dealers are required to sell the units at no > less than $l695, and no quantity discounts are > allowed. Garmin is currently looking into this matter > and will address it with the Garmin dealer located in > Texas who offered this discount. > > Aircraft Spruce has the units in stock at $l695; we > wish we could discount the Garmin 296 but it simply is > not permitted. Let us know any time we can be of > service. > > Jim Irwin > President, Aircraft Spruce > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:12:46 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: KR> Price fixing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002201c4c2d4$8f4781e0$12491fd3@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is no law against someone purchasing a number of units at an agreed price from a dealer and then on selling them at a discount to promote customers and then pick up on their costs at a later date of via sale of other products. There is a difference between a contracted distributer and a reseller. Petrol companies do this all the time in this country. Market forces are allowed by law to prevail. I fear Aircraft Spruce will lose customers unfortunately over this issue....what stupidity. The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjanet@optusnet.com.au ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:13:23 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20041104201012.01ac0230@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:25 PM 11/4/2004, you wrote: >Now why in the hell would I ever want to buy ANY THING from A/S again >after a cheap shot like this. Bill Starrs Why is it a cheap shot? Garmin is making the rules if you want to sell their products. If Garmin says no discounts, then that is their prerogative. A retail business will follow those rules or loose the rights to resell the product. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://www.eaa231.org/AeroFoil/index.htm KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:16:06 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: KR> New email address To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20041104201416.01b15ed0@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed For those of you who might care. I have a new address. I will be changing my web site address sometime later. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://www.eaa231.org/AeroFoil/index.htm KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:25:27 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001f01c4c2d6$558a8db0$486cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Never mind them Gary, sell me one of those Corvairs you're hording. Doug Rupert Boy, talk about shooting yourself in the foot with this post. AC Spruce has a 'goon' patrol? Gary garyains@kwic.com ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:25:27 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002401c4c2d6$7a125c30$486cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" They aren't the only one in the sand box. King and Magellan come to mind and there are also a few good units manufactured overseas. On the Aircraft Spruce subject, I read the postings a few months ago but figured what the H-ll and made a purchase on e-bay for an UMA Airspeed Indicator 240 mph 120 knots - dual scale and end up getting 10-00511 UMA 3-1/8 ASI 20-140MPH/120KTS gee small difference huh. My fault though should check and double check any and all orders from these guys. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:41 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) I guess only when, they are the only one with the marble. What a stupid move to screw you, then tell you that I screwed you and then ask you to do business with me??? ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:36:48 -0500 From: "Stephen and Janet Henderson" Subject: KR> Computerized instrument panel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006e01c4c2d7$eb30af10$0f02a8c0@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello everyone, Check out this computerized instrument panel, it looks pretty neat and is very affordable: http://www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Stratomaster/Ultra/ultra.html. Has anyone used one of these? Are they worth it? Stephen Henderson ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:47:21 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00f401c4c2d9$64a08630$5eb1dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is this for real !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I through PRICE FIXING was against the LAW Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 192 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================