From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 198 Date: 11/7/2004 8:59:39 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Primer for 1835vw, regulator? and Subaru question. (Brian Kraut) 2. Heat treating (Brian Kraut) 3. wheel alignment (Tommy Waymack) 4. Carbs and primers (Colin & Bev Rainey) 5. Re: Carbs and primers (patrusso) 6. Re: Primer for 1835vw, regulator? and Subaru question. (Orma) 7. GarmindMAPGPS 296 (Robert L. Stone) 8. Does anyone have an e-mail address for Aircraft Spruce & Specialty. (Dan Heath) 9. Re: Does anyone have an e-mail address for Aircraft Spruce &Specialty. (Robert L. Stone) 10. RE>flying a KR2 (RENOSADLER@aol.com) 11. Re: flying (RENOSADLER@aol.com) 12. RE: flying (Ron Freiberger) 13. inconsideration (Mark Langford) 14. Re: Does anyone have an e-mail address for Aircraft Spruce &Specialty. (Boeing757mech1@aol.com) 15. Time for Inspection (Mark Jones) 16. Re: Re: areo carb adjustments and prop test (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 17. Flight controls (Dan Walker) 18. interesting observation (larry flesner) 19. RE: interesting observation (Brian Kraut) 20. Re: Flight controls (Dan Heath) 21. Flight Controls (ronevogt@cox.net) 22. Re: Mark Jones - NICE ! (IFLYKRS@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:10:37 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Primer for 1835vw, regulator? and Subaru question. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Most alternators do not have a regulator built in, but some do. If you have just one wire coming out of the alternator it has a regulator in it. If you have more than one wire it does not have a regulator built in. What you use for a regulator depends on the alternator. If you can post a few pictures of it that would help to identify what you need. You should have a primer on any carb that does not have a choke and if you do have a choke I recommend removing it and adding a primer also. Best to put the primer in the intakes just before the cylinders. Sometimes there is just one in the manifold right where the carb bolts on. That setup is really only good with a carb mounted on the top of the engine. You can see how I did it on my last KR at www.engalt.com/kr2.htm under the fuel system page. There are some pictures on the engine page showing it also and some of the regulator that is used with the Diehl alternator. You can use whatever you want, but remember that a quality primer is a good thing to have when you have a fuel line going into the cockpit. Some people keep it all on the firewall side with a fuel solenoid for the prime and an electric pump. Use the primer fittings that are made for this purpose. They have a small hole in them to spray and atomize the fuel and they are very inexpensive. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of ponds27 Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:54 PM To: Krnet Subject: KR> Primer for 1835vw, regulator? and Subaru question. HI Gang My Kr 1835vw engine came with an alternator. Do alternators all have regulators built in or do I need to locate one? If I need to find one what am I asking for and from where? Do I need a primer with side flow carburetor? Can I use a primer from something other then an aircraft suppliers? Where should the primer line go to in the intake manifold? I'm assuming near the cylinder intake? Any Subaru guys out there? Can some one tell me what the original transmission flange bolt (stud) thread size is ? The location where a redrive would mount. I'm guessing 10mm and tried a 10x1.25 but that didn't seem right? I'm just wishing to put in on a engine stand for now. Big dreams in the future. Darren Pond Private Pilot Night Rated Cambridge Ont Taylor Mono Plane CF-VML @CYKF For sale KR2 C-GGGW in the garage for little bit longer. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:35:15 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> Heat treating To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have some 4130 seat belt brackets for my Midget Mustang that I need to have heat treated and nickle plated soon. Since I will wind up paying the minimum lot charge I am going to finish my lower gear brackets for the 2S and have them done at the same time. Anyone else with any 4130 parts want to share the cost? I am going with the Rockwell hardness that Dan Diehl uses on his lower gear brackets. Can't remember what that is right at the moment. Keep in mind that parts are heat treated to a correct hardness for their given application so if you don't know that the hardness I am using is correct for your parts then you probably do not need to be messing with having them heat treated. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:48:51 -0600 From: "Tommy Waymack" Subject: KR> wheel alignment To: Message-ID: <000801c4c48d$76685b80$6800a8c0@blindate> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark,the laser is for the 50 cal ,right? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:57:00 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Carbs and primers To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ec01c4c4b8$8234ee30$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Brian and I have a difference of opinion concerning the use of chokes. Where it concersn automotive engines and carbs made for them they have chokes, usually electric automatic and are designed for their use. I would leave it though you may want to convert it to manual if it is not already that way. I ahve a choke on my Zenith and love it. It makes it start just like my Camaro and does not exhibit the hard start problems that the Lycs have when cold. The purpose of the choke is to restrict the volume of air to raise the fuel air mixture sufficiently for engine startup AND warmup. I have a choke on my 2001 Yamaha V-Star as well and would hate to try and start it without a choke. Primer systems are ok, but I do not like them because a direct injection of raw fuel into a cylinder at startup, the very time when only left over oil is inside the engine , can rinse away precious lubrication you need for starting protection. Remember, auto engine conversions do NOT have the excess clearances of internal components that our distant cousins of the aircraft engine breed have. This can cause alot of excessive scoring during cold start and warmup. Even the Lycomings that are in the Cessnas and Pipers I train in alot that have accelerator pumps built into the carbs start better by pumping the throttle once or twice just like the Camaro at home, instead of using the primer. Come to think of it, I never use the primer on any certified engine except the 152 when it is cold, and mine has a choke. Also, my advice would be to set the carb at your altitude, and then if you find you need to lean the mix, add an adjustable bleed port that use filtered air into the intake just after the carb so that the entire engine is effected the same instead of trying to adjust the mixture needle on the carb. This has been done reliably for years in cars by adding bleeds to the carbs and recirculation valves with different sizesd orifices to improve emissions by adding air or leaning the mix, same result. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:40:25 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Carbs and primers To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000701c4c4c6$f556ed60$1ea972d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I too use a choke on my zenith and find it perfect save for one thing. When starting, you need one hand on the choke, the other on the starter button, and the third hand is on the throttle! I need to set it up so that the throttle is closer to the button. When the engine starts, throttle 1/3 in, she will rev right up there....so be ready to throttle down quikely. Havn't been able to get a immediate start with less than 1/3 throttle. It's a bit like the cars I learned to drive on 50 years ago except this choke is spring loaded and returns to off position as soon as you release it. Great! The zenith carb is set up that way. ----- Original Message ----- > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:10:18 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Primer for 1835vw, regulator? and Subaru question. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003701c4c4cb$21df3d20$b7a6ff44@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Do alternators all have regulators built in? Do I need a primer with side flow carburetor? Hello Darren Of the three engines and 3 types of carburetors that I have tried on my KR, I have never used a primer. I have used the Posa and the Revflow. Both instructions say to turn on the fuel for a few seconds so that fuel runs into the intake manifold and then start the engine. If the engine has sat for a really long time, it usually takes a few more blades before the engine fires. I would say no need for a primer. As for the regulator issue, What I did was to take my alternator to a knowledgeable parts man and ask what kind it was, and what type car's it went into. From there you can ask about the regulator. Next I went to the library and got a book on that car and got a copy of the wiring diagram. I actually mated a 75 Honda Civic alternator to an early Ford regulator. I even used the idiot light circuit. Most alternators are essentially built with the same components. Some times they have slightly different names. All you have to do is to match the part with the correct name and you can make it work. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:53:35 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: KR> GarmindMAPGPS 296 To: "KR Builders Pilots" Message-ID: <418E36EF.000003.03164@YOUR-AT5QGAAC3Z> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone have an e-mail address for Aircraft Spruce & Specialty. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:00:45 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Does anyone have an e-mail address for Aircraft Spruce & Specialty. To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <418E389D.00000B.00416@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" info@aircraftspruce.com It is on their web site. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:18:15 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Does anyone have an e-mail address for Aircraft Spruce &Specialty. To: Message-ID: <418E3CB7.000001.03820@YOUR-AT5QGAAC3Z> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Dan, If I didn't have my head up and locked, I would have known that. Bob Stone -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 11/07/04 09:01:36 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Does anyone have an e-mail address for Aircraft Spruce &Specialty. info@aircraftspruce.com It is on their web site. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:36:38 EST From: RENOSADLER@aol.com Subject: KR> RE>flying a KR2 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I;M LOCATED IN rENO NV NEAR STEAD AIRFIELD HOME OF TH RENO AIR RACES.... THANKD BILL ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:40:29 EST From: RENOSADLER@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> flying To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <198.32314799.2ebfa9fd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Live in Reno if if any fkying KR'S ARE AROUNF HERE ttHANKS bILL ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:24:50 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> flying To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001201c4c4ee$cde8c0a0$7819c944@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cape Coral ,Florida, but we'll be in Kokomo for the Holidays. Why do you want to know? Ron Freiberger mail to rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com <- substitute an @ sign ;o) -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: KR> flying Where are you located? <<<-------- _______________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:52:46 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> inconsideration To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <021d01c4c4f2$975b9db0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've all but given up on trying to make people think for a few microseconds before sending email to 600 people, but in one more act of desperation, here goes. Why is it that you folks can't seem to send coherent messages? Is it really that difficult to cut and paste a few words of the previous post into yours so that other readers have some idea of who or what you're talking about? Or to delete the previous five messages that have been trailing along with replies? Is it really that hard to send a purely private email directly to the person that needs to see it, rather than to 600 people? And how long does it take to stand back and look at a message to see if maybe you typed it with caps lock on, rather than off (or half and half)? Or to actually READ the thing to yourself before you send it, in hopes that you might spy something like a missing word, the wrong word, or that same word twice, or the fact that it's 10 sentences long but doesn't have a single capital letter or a period in it anywhere, or that it just plain doesn't make any sense? I hope you people build better airplanes than you can write a message. No wonder many of you can't read the plans...you can't even read or write! And why is it so much trouble to follow the KRnet rules set out at http://www.krnet.org/info.html under the heading of "KRNetiquette"? These rules were sent to every new subscriber, but apparently there are many who've never read them, or care to follow them. Why is it that some of you blundering perps would rather save yourselves a few seconds of time and pound out a reply and blast if off, so that 600 people who have to spend THEIR time to decipher what you're talking about, or what it is that you're trying to say? Some of it may be ignorance, but my gut feeling is that it's just plain old-fashioned inconsideration of others. Even a complete moron can type, given enough time and effort. Yesterday one of our real live KR pilots unsubscribed, probably over all the senseless traffic regarding Garmin's alleged price fixing. We need to keep these guys around. Making this list more painless would be a step in the right direction... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:27:20 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Does anyone have an e-mail address for Aircraft Spruce &Specialty. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1f3.21f0e88.2ebfd118@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" jimirwin@aircraftspruce.com Jim Irwin's email at Aircraft Spruce. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:24:27 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Time for Inspection To: "Corvaircraft" , "KR Net" Message-ID: <000a01c4c520$f1161c80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Finally...after 6 1/2 years of building, I am going to call my FSDO tomorrow and make an appointment for the airworthy inspection. Check out this link to my webpage to see the most current photos. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:55:47 EST From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Re: areo carb adjustments and prop test To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <9a.18e3a460.2ec01003@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Well, Im back home from fiddling on the KR. Ive been trying a different prop from a guy in Dallas who was nice enough to mail it to me to try. Mine is a Prince P-tip 52x50 that has been thinned on the tips some. The borrowed prop is a standard Prince p-tip 52x54 that has not been thinned. I can turn my prop 3350 static and around 3900-4000 full power - speed around 180. The borrowed prop turns 3000 static and 3400 full power - 175 top speed. It seems that both had decent climb and cruise but one thin I noticed is that mine runs smooth as silk compared to the other. I know that mine is lighter by almost a pound and perhaps the higher rpm and thinner blade cause it to run smoother. I did a lot of test flying and fiddling with the two props/carb adjustments/ ram air sand so on. The best running configuration I have found is that which I have presently. My prop with the air being picked up in the cowl. The ram air tends to make the engine run rougher at top rpms due to running leaner, but if you richen it up the low end gets two rich. Perhaps I will customize my needle somewhat. I just installed a secone EGT probe on the left back to be able to make better and finer adjustments down the road. It may be that ram air has a negative affect on the aerocarb. Talking to WW he said there used to be an old trick of putting on a little carb heat at full throttle in radial engines. This would balance out the fuel mixtures to each cylinder better and help atomize the fuel. Since I am currently getting cowl air it may be slightly warm and help. Still have more testing to do but had to get it flyable to the College this next weekend. Hope all is well - Bill ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:09:27 -0700 From: "Dan Walker" Subject: KR> Flight controls To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c4c537$fa063340$e7b5dc18@DJNVYL31> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was busy rigging my flight controls today and I've got the ailerons and the rudder all set but my stab is supposed to be 30 up and 20 down but instead I can only get 25 up and 20 down. Will that be enough? And will the FAA inspector allow that to be off from the plans. Thanks, Dan ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:29:42 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> interesting observation To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041107202942.007dd6d0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd flown the KR two or three hours since cleaning the lead edge of the tail surfaces. It's been rather warm here for November and after todays flight, while wiping off the bugs, I noticed that the bugs only collect on the outer 1/2 on the horizontal stab lead edge. I'm not going to try to interpret this but simply pass along an observation. Seemed interesting to me. I guess the bugs have not heard of laminer (sp) airflow, even with my 24" fuselage stretch. Don't know why I hadn't noticed this before, too busy YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAing I guess. :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:41:43 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> interesting observation To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Larry, most of us use tufts taped on to observe airflow characteristics, but I guess your method of using bugs works just as well! Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of larry flesner Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 9:30 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> interesting observation I'd flown the KR two or three hours since cleaning the lead edge of the tail surfaces. It's been rather warm here for November and after todays flight, while wiping off the bugs, I noticed that the bugs only collect on the outer 1/2 on the horizontal stab lead edge. I'm not going to try to interpret this but simply pass along an observation. Seemed interesting to me. I guess the bugs have not heard of laminer (sp) airflow, even with my 24" fuselage stretch. Don't know why I hadn't noticed this before, too busy YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAing I guess. :-) Larry Flesner _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:03:32 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Flight controls To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <418EE204.00000F.02268@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don't know if that is enough for all situations and would be concerned as to why. As far as the inspector is concerned, I doubt that he will have any idea what it should be unless you tell him. But, again, I would be concerned why you only have 25 up and 20 down. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- I can only get 25 up and 20 down. Will that be enough? And will the FAA inspector allow that to be off from the plans. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:09:00 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Flight Controls To: Message-ID: <20041108040859.LORF28622.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Netters: My inspector checked the deflection of not just the elevator, but the ailerons and rudder also. And...he insisted they be adjusted according to the plans. Also, I use full aft stick on landing in order to hold the nose gear off as long as possible. If I didn't have the full 30 percent up movement on the elevator, I couldn't hold the nose gear off as long. If you aren't getting the full 30 degrees up and 20 degrees down, I would find out what needs adjustment and then take the time to adjust it accordingly. RV ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:26:28 EST From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Mark Jones - NICE ! To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1a0.2b9e17a5.2ec04f74@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Looking good Mark - hope to fly with you soon. By the way - what is you static rpm with that Sterba prop? Bill ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 198 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================