From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 206 Date: 11/13/2004 8:59:32 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. "KR" cloth (John Lindner) 2. Re: batteries (Barry Kruyssen) 3. Re: Helicopter Tape??? (Barry Kruyssen) 4. Re: "KR" cloth VS RA cloth. (Dan Heath) 5. Re: Facet #40108 (Dan Heath) 6. A Big Milestone (Bernard McLean Sr) 7. Re: A Big Milestone (Dan Heath) 8. Facet pump/gravity feed (Colin & Bev Rainey) 9. RE: Facet #40108 (Brian Kraut) 10. Lost power (Colin & Bev Rainey) 11. Final Weight before Inspection (Mark Jones) 12. Fibre Glast (John Lindner) 13. Re: Fibre Glast (robert glidden) 14. Re: Final Weight before Inspection (robert glidden) 15. Re: Final Weight before Inspection (Mark Jones) 16. Re: Fibre Glast (John Lindner) 17. Re: Leadville, Colorado? (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 18. Weight & Balance (Mark Jones) 19. Re: Weight & Balance (Martindale Family) 20. Re: Weight & Balance (Mark Jones) 21. Re: Weight & Balance (Martindale Family) 22. Re: Weight & Balance (Kenneth B. Jones) 23. Re: 25 up 20 down elevator (Phillip Matheson) 24. Re: Flaps/ T-18/ Bushby Mustang (Phillip Matheson) 25. Re: Flaps/ T-18/ Bushby Mustang (Phillip Matheson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:07:07 -0500 From: "John Lindner" Subject: KR> "KR" cloth To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002f01c4c9bc$5a4432b0$0200a8c0@solarium> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Everyone: I was researching what composite would be best for my (hopefully) upcoming KR-1 project, and came across something I didn't quite understand. I had intended to use ra5377 BID fiberglass for the aft and fore decks, and carbon for the wings. Now, I see that Wick's sells "KR" cloth 7533 that weighs about three ounces less than the ra5377. What are others using, and why? Thanks John Lindner jrlindner@comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 06:28:40 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> batteries To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02b701c4c9bf$5e87a160$5b00a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Mark, Odyssey have different codes for their batteries in different countries. I'm using an Australian ES-12V700 which is the US part number PC-625 Weight = 6kg (13.2lb) CCA rating = 265 Amps A maximum 700 pulse amp discharge It can be fitted on any angle except inverted, on any side is OK. See http://www.odysseyfactory.com/ for more info. Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Jones Barry, which model Odyssey battery do you have and what engine are you using it on? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 06:38:50 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Helicopter Tape??? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02bd01c4c9c0$ca51aa70$5b00a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm going to use it on my leading edge of my prop. There is an article on it in the Australian RAA monthly magazine Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Aeroeng39@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: KR> Helicopter Tape??? Yup, it's a clear plastic tape that is used in places like Saudi and Iraq. Any desert area in which the dirt due to brown outs caused by rotor wash would damage the leading edges. Works pretty good. Would definitely protect the leading edge of the KR wing. Peter Sanchez Vet. CW2 KR2S in Apache Junction AZ In a message dated 11/12/2004 8:44:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, JSMONDAY@aol.com writes: One of my partners races cars with fiberglass bodies. They put what they call helicopter tape on all the leading edges. It looks like a clear smooth tape that goes over the paint. Apparantly they use it on helicopters to protect areas as well. Has anyone had any experience with this product? seems like it would be a good addition to leading edges... will definitely handle 170+mph in the hot sun. John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:45:31 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> "KR" cloth VS RA cloth. To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4196726B.000021.04056@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I tried the KR cloth and did not like it. It did not bend around corners like the RA does and it did not seem to wet out as well. So, I am still using the RA. I think for large flat areas, the KR cloth would work well and save some weight, but for bending around corners, you might want to try the RA. Your results will vary. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:48:18 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Facet #40108 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41967312.000023.04056@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You asked: Right now the gravity works very well, so I am not sure why I need a pump I ask in reply: What would make gravity stop working? There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:54:32 -0600 From: Bernard McLean Sr Subject: KR> A Big Milestone To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <41967488.40105@northboone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed For me, anyway ;-) !!! I just finished dry fitting the main and outer and front wing spars into the boat! Minimal adjustment of the fuselage side openings required. Distances from wingtips to floor were equal with no adjustment required and the tip-to-tail post measurements were within 1/8" before adjustment to equality. It actually looks like an airplane!!! Please excuse the euphoria, this is a really big deal for me after a 15 year hiatus from building. Bernie McLean Poplar Grove IL ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:24:32 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> A Big Milestone To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41967B90.000025.04056@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think that deserves at least a little YYYYYeeHhAaa! There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- For me, anyway ;-) !!! Bernie McLean Poplar Grove IL _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:42:34 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Facet pump/gravity feed To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001d01c4c9c9$b031ce00$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If the vent for the fuel tank gets clogged a suction negative vacuum will begin to form in the tank as fuel leaves, causing a slow reduction of flow until it stops. This makes fuel venting a critical check during pre-flight. @ flights on a Zenith gravity fed and not so much as a cough! Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:50:04 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Facet #40108 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As long as you get one and a half times your full throttle fuel flow with the plane in a nose up climb attitude and minimum fuel in the tank I would not put in a fuel pump. Put about four gallons in the tank and see how long it takes to drain two gallons out to measure the flow rate you have. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of patrusso Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:05 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Facet #40108 Brian, Right now I have gravity feed from header tank to carb. If I added a facet pump on the fire wall,.. low, next to gascolator, could I also have a fuel line by-passing that so that I only have to use it in a pinch? I have a zenith carb,...how do I regulate the fuel pressure to that when using the pump? I worry about flooding or using more fuel than is needed. Right now the gravity works very well, so I am not sure why I need a pump save for the constant doubts I am developing, perhaps by reading too much in these recent discussions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: RE: KR> Facet #40108 > Another thing or two to keep in mind when designing fuel systems with > the Facet pumps. > > You shoud have the pump mounted low in the system if possible. I had > one mounted on the back of my header tank to transfer fuel from the > wings to the > header. I did some experimenting first to see if the pump would suck > up fuel through a dry line from up that high and it worked fine. In operation > a few times after it was installed it refused to suck a prime through > the line. A good slip with the wing of the selected tank high would > usually be > enough to get a prime sucked in the line and start it pumping > normally, but > mounting the pump lower would be a lot better. > > The Facet pumps restrict the fuel flow some when not running. I put > one on > my firewall as a boost pump for the header tank and found that it restricted > fuel flow enough when it was not running that I couldn't throtle past > half before the engine would start coughing. I measured the fuel flow > and then removed the pump and increase the flow by over double what it > was going through the pump when it was not running. > > Keep the odd shortcomings in mind and the pumps work very good. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:56:00 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Lost power To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003601c4c9cb$90730e60$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree it "feels" much different when actually flying it. I think Cessna may have reported this by calculation as opposed to actual measured numbers. Too many times I have climbed near 8,000 feet and found myself down to 300-400 foot per minute climb rate at Vx! I was trying to keep from pulling a number out of thin air, so I consulted a Cessna 172RG POH and used the reported cruise % BHP from the charts based on the same 2500RPM at 2000 feet and then at 10,000. Kinda sounds optimistic. Maybe when all things are brand new? Anyway, the guys looking get the point. My figures would be an ideal minimum loss, yours and Brian's say a maximum. I do know that it is an exceptional turbo system that can provide gains of more than 40% without straining the original engine, which means that our builder at 10,000 feet would still be looking at a minor loss above 8,000 until critical altitude for the turbo. My other point that I wanted to make sure didn't get missed was to consider the prop and total lift effects at altitude, so that someone doesn't think that they can just a little bit bigger engine on an existing KR, all else the same and go fly expecting that it will do the same as someone at 1,500 MSL. YEEEEEHAWWWWW!!!! Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:07:50 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Final Weight before Inspection To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <006701c4c9cd$3efc0940$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Left main: 266 lbs Right main: 260b lbs Nose wheel: 147 lbs Battery: 12 ------------------------------ Total empty weight: 685 lbs (less battery) YEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAA Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:10:21 -0500 From: "John Lindner" Subject: KR> Fibre Glast To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000c01c4c9ce$4f9be800$0200a8c0@solarium> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Everyone: I've got another question. Has anyone ever tried purchasing material from Fibre Glast? They have cloth at half the price of Wicks. Also, would using one layer of UNI carbon fiber for the wing skin, applied lengthwise, give sufficient strenght to ward off twisting? Thanks John Lindner jrlindner@comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:59:52 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> Fibre Glast To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <012101c4c9d4$7c71d0a0$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just went to their web site and did not see any cloth that we could use for less then wicks 5.85 KR cloth.Everything I seen was more then Wicks.Which cloth was you looking at? Bob Glidden KR2S N181FW Corvair Power glidden@ccrtc.com > > I've got another question. Has anyone ever tried purchasing material > from Fibre Glast? They have cloth at half the price of Wicks. > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:02:03 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> Final Weight before Inspection To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <012801c4c9d4$ca32e7c0$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Congrats Mark You might get that thing in the air before Thanksgivings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > ------------------------------ > Total empty weight: 685 lbs (less battery) > > YEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAA > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:36:10 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Final Weight before Inspection To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007501c4c9d9$96c510c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doubtful, since next weekend I will be at deer hunting camp all weekend. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert glidden" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: Re: KR> Final Weight before Inspection > Congrats Mark > You might get that thing in the air before > Thanksgivings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Total empty weight: 685 lbs (less battery) > > > > YEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAA > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:39:33 -0500 From: "John Lindner" Subject: Re: KR> Fibre Glast To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001f01c4c9da$3796f4f0$0200a8c0@solarium> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > I just went to their web site and did not see any cloth that we could > use for less then wicks 5.85 KR cloth.Everything I seen was more then > Wicks.Which cloth was you looking at? You're absolutely right...my apologies. In my excitement, I sent out the email before double-checking. Prices do seem similar after all. Sorry all. John Lindner ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:33:15 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Leadville, Colorado? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041113.183444.1172.0.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:35:02 -0800 (PST) chris c writes: > Has anyone flown into or out of Leadville Colorado (10,000MSL)? I am > considering getting a KR2 and trying to research the capabilities > but I would rather hear it from someone who has done it. I spend > the summer in the mountains of Colorado and would base out of > Leadville if it is feasible. Which engine and wing would be best? > The Revmaster Turbo looks like it has the power curve for the > altitude but are there better turbo's engines for that altitude for > take off and climb? Thanks for any help you can provide me. - Chris > I have my KR based in Los Alamos, NM, with a runway altitude of 7172'ASL. I use a high compression O-200 with the RAF-48/Diehl wings. I can't write a comparison to other KRs, but I have little doubt that my KR could operate out of Leadville successfully during the summer months. I used to have a C-85 on this same KR and believe it also would have been able to successfully fly out of Leadville. It's not unusual here on a summer day to have the Density Altitude of 10,000'. Leadville in the summer surely must reach a DA of 12,000'. Re other posts on this subject. At 7500', you get just a touch over 23" MP and roughly 75% power. If my O-200 really makes 100hp, that means it's roughly 75hp at this altitude. A KR will easily operate on that kind of HP, but the landing and takeoff speeds start getting fairly high. The rule of thumb is that you lose 1" MP per 100' and that is very close. I was showing 19" MP at 11,500' yesterday while doing some formation work with my KR and a new RV-9. I guess that what I'm saying is that with an O-200, Corvair, or turbo anything for a powerplant and the longer wing, I don't see a problem with operating out of Leadville. I would assume that the AS series wing would also be OK, but don't know how much performance testing has been done at altitude. Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:11:11 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Weight & Balance To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <00a801c4c9ef$3a86dc60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Those of you flying the KR-2S, out of curiosity, where do you consider the pilot / passenger station position to be located between the rear side of the front center spar and the forward side of the rear center spar. In other words, if you took your pilot / passenger datum, at what point in the range between the spars does it measure out to? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:17:01 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: Re: KR> Weight & Balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00a601c4c9f0$06fb8f20$cf39ecdc@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark I weighed mine with and without me in it with other factors left unaltered. You can then calculate the arm for the pilot from the difference in the moments provided you know your own weight. Did the same for fuel full and empty. Is this what you mean? John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjanet@optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 1:11 PM Subject: KR> Weight & Balance > Those of you flying the KR-2S, out of curiosity, where do you consider the pilot / passenger station position to be located between the rear side of the front center spar and the forward side of the rear center spar. In other words, if you took your pilot / passenger datum, at what point in the range between the spars does it measure out to? > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:20:22 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Weight & Balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b901c4c9f0$82da5fe0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, I know that is the correct way to do it, I was just wondering where others came in at. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: Re: KR> Weight & Balance > Mark > > I weighed mine with and without me in it with other factors left unaltered. > You can then calculate the arm for the pilot from the difference in the > moments provided you know your own weight. Did the same for fuel full and > empty. Is this what you mean? > > John > > The Martindale Family > 29 Jane Circuit > TOORMINA NSW 2452 > AUSTRALIA > > phone: 61 2 66584767 > email: johnjanet@optusnet.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR Net" > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 1:11 PM > Subject: KR> Weight & Balance > > > > Those of you flying the KR-2S, out of curiosity, where do you consider the > pilot / passenger station position to be located between the rear side of > the front center spar and the forward side of the rear center spar. In other > words, if you took your pilot / passenger datum, at what point in the range > between the spars does it measure out to? > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:29:48 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: Re: KR> Weight & Balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00bb01c4c9f1$d0343440$cf39ecdc@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK. For my KR2 (not S) I'm sitting 685 mm back from WLE. Will depend on the rake of the back seat. Passenger is the same but actually she's on my lap most of the time :-). ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:00:15 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Weight & Balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ed01c4c9f6$117f7500$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> Mark, I have a KR-2. This could vary depending on the seat location (Mine is butted against the forward face of the aft spar, on the floor.) and the rake of the seat back, of course, but I got 14.5 inches behind the aft face of the forward spar. When I purchased the plane (already certificated) there was a weight and balance sheet that showed 15.5 inches aft of the aft face of the forward spar. Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: KR> Weight & Balance > Those of you flying the KR-2S, out of curiosity, where do you consider the > pilot / passenger station position to be located between the rear side of > the front center spar and the forward side of the rear center spar. In > other words, if you took your pilot / passenger datum, at what point in > the range between the spars does it measure out to? > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:52:48 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> 25 up 20 down elevator To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000301c4c9fd$d07628d0$8e31ddcb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I did find out why I'm only getting 25 up. Its because the control rod for the stab is set up as a push pull rod instead of the cable system ------------ What I did was to place a a/craft ply block under the pivot for the elevator at the back of the fuse. This let the elevator push rod have more movement. and get to the required movement. I would be very concerned NOT having the Correct elevator movement !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:39:05 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Flaps/ T-18/ Bushby Mustang To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000201c4c9fd$cfc35390$8e31ddcb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One more remark about flaps. If someone wants a good example of a combination flap speed brake, take a close look at a Thorpe T-18. --------------------- I agree with Colin. This should be a great system. I have modified the small 7 inch cord standard kr2 flap to a 12 inch cord, it runs from the back of the rear spar to T/Edge. But I lowered the hinge pivot points so I can latter add another 3 hinges to the inside of the fuse and joint the two flaps together as the Busby Mustang / T-18, if the 12 " flap is not enough. I think this will be a great improvement on the standard 7 " cord flap. I'm have problems with my photo's on my wed page at present, but will try and fix that today. ???? I should have the flap photo's on my web latter today, I will post a note when my wed is repaired. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:31:41 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Flaps/ T-18/ Bushby Mustang To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c4ca02$d73470a0$8e31ddcb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have placed two flap bracket photo's on my web page. as requested http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html Click on wing Flap 12" Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 206 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================