From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 217 Date: 11/22/2004 8:59:23 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. reversible fuel pump (Lee Van Dyke) 2. Re: General Homebuilt Info (Dan Heath) 3. RE: reversible fuel pump (ponds27) 4. Re: General Homebuilt Info (Orma) 5. General Homebuilt Info (larry flesner) 6. VW engines (Derek H. Hudeck) 7. VW engines (Oscar Zuniga) 8. Re: (RENOSADLER@aol.com) 9. Re: General Homebuilt Info (RENOSADLER@aol.com) 10. RE: General Homebuilt Info (Mark Jones) 11. Re: General Homebuilt Info (robert glidden) 12. RE: VW engines (Jim Faughn) 13. RE: VW engines (Robert L. Stone) 14. Re: Dallas area man looking for KR builder (Brian G. Douglas) 15. Re: VW engines (Orma) 16. Re: General Homebuilt Info (Grant Watkins) 17. RE: General Homebuilt Info (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:27:14 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: KR> reversible fuel pump To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000001c4d055$748e31d0$6501a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, I hate to bring this up again, did we ever find a good reversible fuel pump that will work for filling wing tanks as well as refilling the header tank? Lee Van Dyke ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 05:37:52 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41A1C180.00000F.02716@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That is only if you build it yourself. The person who built it can continue to be the A&P on that plane, if they received their A&P license for it. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- If I were to buy a completed experimental aircraft would I still be able to administer the annual inspections and do the maintenance or is that only if you build it yourself? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:16:30 -0500 From: "ponds27" Subject: RE: KR> reversible fuel pump To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I use a fuel pump designed for dragsters. About $120 Canadian- 2 gallons a minute It can pump either direction. One slightly better then the other. Darren Pond Private Pilot Night Rated Cambridge Ont ponds27@rogers.com Taylor Mono Plane CF-VML @CYKF- For Sale KR2 C-GGGW in the garage for little bit longer. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Lee Van Dyke Sent: November 22, 2004 12:27 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> reversible fuel pump Netters, I hate to bring this up again, did we ever find a good reversible fuel pump that will work for filling wing tanks as well as refilling the header tank? Lee Van Dyke _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:44:35 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001a01c4d091$06d6eb00$4b32d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Derek Most of the people who purchase home built aircraft get extremely familiar with the craft that they buy. In fact, a lot of them begin to modify and improve them upon as soon as they get them home. As an A&P with and Inspection Authorization, I have been asked to inspect lots of homebuilt aircraft that were purchased by a person not the builder. For the most part it is by duty to inspect what I see to determine if it is airworthy. In almost 100 percent of the cases, the owner is with me all the time. The owner usually pulls things apart, makes the required repairs and reassembles the aircraft when the inspection is complete. As far as the inspection goes, I have to do that on my own. My owners always seemed impressed when I find something that they did not want to tell me about, for fear of me grounding the aircraft. Owners must remember that I must make a judgment call as to whether I think that a part is airworthy and, that if the part were to be used continuously for the next year without service, will the part last. After lots of years of aircraft experience your local A&P mechanic can usually find things that owners don't realize are worn out or things that the owner has convinced himself to live with for a while longer. Most of the people that I hang out with at the airport are either Inspectors like myself with 10's of years of experience or senior pilots with far more experience then I. They always look over my KR and occasionally find things that I have not serviced or just neglected. Having an experienced inspector is always a good Idea even for Builders that have Show winners. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:00:28 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041122080028.00807ac0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >-------Original Message------- > >If I were to buy a completed experimental aircraft would I still be > >able to administer the annual inspections and do the maintenance or is > >that only if you build it yourself? >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I know what Dan ment in his reply but I'll try to clarify it a bit. You would be allowed to do all your maintenance with the exception of the annual condition inspection. That would have to be performed by the original builder, if they received the machanics license for that aircraft, or anyone with at least an A&P rating. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:31:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Derek H. Hudeck" Subject: KR> VW engines To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <4716.158.135.57.155.1101144669.squirrel@158.135.57.155> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hello, I was wondering if you guys could give me the dirt on VW engines. Are they reliable? They are pretty cheap and I am trying to find out if this is another "you get what you pay for" type of thing. Please write back with any information you feel will help my decision. Thanks for all the excellent feedback to my posts. Thanks again, Derek Hudeck ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SamMail. Sam Houston State University ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:04:15 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> VW engines To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Derek asks- >I was wondering if you guys could give me the dirt on VW engines. Are >they reliable? They are pretty cheap and I am trying to find out if >this is another "you get what you pay for" type of thing. Derek, other than the Type IV which is more robust (but more expensive), you're dealing with an engine that started life at something like 40 HP and we're asking it to put out at least 50% more than that in most KR setups. A few ask even more of the engine than that, but engine life drops pretty quickly if you take them up higher, run turbo 2180cc setups, etc. The engine is a very well known, well supported quantity. Lots of aftermarket support, parts are available, and the VW has been used in many homebuilts with good results. Its weaknesses are also well known. One of the weaknesses has been trying to drive a prop off the "wrong" end of the engine, and there have been conversions for driving off the output end, such as the unit offered by Great Plains. Simply put, the engine is reasonably reliable if you use a known conversion method and don't ask for more than about 55-60 continuous HP from it, keep it cool, and keep the valve train adjusted. Now the Corvair is a different story. The aero conversion drives the prop off the power output end as originally intended. The lifters are hydraulic, so no periodic valve lash adjustments. The engine was made to put out up to 180 HP in its high output trim in the car, so we're only asking it to put out half that in the aero conversion. But you already know that-? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:15:52 EST From: RENOSADLER@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1c3.20f096ec.2ed386d8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Is the counter weights on both ailerons or just one thanks bill ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:18:13 EST From: RENOSADLER@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <15d.4473b46c.2ed38765@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Is the counter weight for the ailerons on both or just one of them? thanks ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:33:44 -0600 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC2025ED0C4@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain Both Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI -----Original Message----- From: RENOSADLER@aol.com [mailto:RENOSADLER@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 12:18 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info Is the counter weight for the ailerons on both or just one of them? thanks _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:38:54 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00e301c4d0db$aa80cec0$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You actually can apply for a repairman's certificate if you build the majority of the aircraft,but if two people build it only one repairman's certificate can be issued.And the repairman's certificate is only for that aircraft and no others. > That is only if you build it yourself. The person who built it can continue > to be the A&P on that plane, if they received their A&P license for > it. > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:14:00 -0600 From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: RE: KR> VW engines To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4d0f1$5a40abe0$05d65540@jfaughn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Derek, I've been flying mine for over 350 hours. Seems to work well for me. I trust my life, my wife's life, my friends lives and all the lives of the KR people that have flown with me. I guess I feel it is reliable or I wouldn't fly behind it. Then again, I fly behind a proven conversion engine from Steve Bennett at Great Plains. If you ask me about building one up myself out of a junk yard, then I guess I have already spoken and said I wouldn't do that. As in all conversions, you can learn a lot from the people that have gone before you. Perhaps you are an engine mechanic and can do it yourself. If not, I would suggest following somebody's conversion. This can be in the way of their manual or it can be in the way of an complete kit/engine. In the end, don't build up from all junk parts to save money. I will digress for a moment. After many years of going to KR Gatherings, I got to know Dan Diehl. Many years later, I asked Dan why he is so hard to get to know? He said he had seen too many people die and he didn't want to become too close to someone that was choosing the "cheap way out" and then find out they had crashed. It made sense to me. Choose any engine you would like but whatever you do, don't just choose "cheap." Jim Faughn 891JF -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Derek H. Hudeck Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:31 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> VW engines Hello, I was wondering if you guys could give me the dirt on VW engines. Are they reliable? They are pretty cheap and I am trying to find out if this is another "you get what you pay for" type of thing. Please write back with any information you feel will help my decision. Thanks for all the excellent feedback to my posts. Thanks again, Derek Hudeck ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SamMail. Sam Houston State University _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:01:41 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: RE: KR> VW engines To: Message-ID: <41A28BF5.000001.03596@YOUR-AT5QGAAC3Z> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim Faughn I saw a sign in a shop that sold motorcycle gear one time and it fits right in with what you are saying. "If you have a ten dollar head, buy a ten dollar helment" -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 11/22/04 18:13:49 To: 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR> VW engines Derek, I've been flying mine for over 350 hours. Seems to work well for me. I trust my life, my wife's life, my friends lives and all the lives of the KR people that have flown with me. I guess I feel it is reliable or I wouldn't fly behind it. Then again, I fly behind a proven conversion engine from Steve Bennett at Great Plains. If you ask me about building one up myself out of a junk yard, then I guess I have already spoken and said I wouldn't do that. As in all conversions, you can learn a lot from the people that have gone before you. Perhaps you are an engine mechanic and can do it yourself. If not, I would suggest following somebody's conversion. This can be in the way of their manual or it can be in the way of an complete kit/engine. In the end, don't build up from all junk parts to save money. I will digress for a moment. After many years of going to KR Gatherings, I got to know Dan Diehl. Many years later, I asked Dan why he is so hard to get to know? He said he had seen too many people die and he didn't want to become too close to someone that was choosing the "cheap way out" and then find out they had crashed. It made sense to me. Choose any engine you would like but whatever you do, don't just choose "cheap." Jim Faughn 891JF -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Derek H. Hudeck Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:31 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> VW engines Hello, I was wondering if you guys could give me the dirt on VW engines. Are they reliable? They are pretty cheap and I am trying to find out if this is another "you get what you pay for" type of thing. Please write back with any information you feel will help my decision. Thanks for all the excellent feedback to my posts. Thanks again, Derek Hudeck ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SamMail. Sam Houston State University _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:38:34 -0600 From: "Brian G. Douglas" Subject: Re: KR> Dallas area man looking for KR builder To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <000c01c4d0fd$2a20c330$21d41840@youryk5cbmeeo8> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Ray! I'm not the person that e-mailed you but... I live in Killeen (Fort Hood ) and have a KERR and would be happy to show any one around it. If I can be of assistance please let me know. Thanks Brian G. Douglas KR2 not a taildragger! Killeen Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: KR> Dallas area man looking for KR builder > Will the Irving or Dallas area man who sent an E-mail to me > today, please contact me again and I will get in touch with you. I > accidentally deleted your E-mail to me and could not find it. I live > in Arlington and am buikding a KR2S. > Ray Goree > (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) > Ray Goree > 817-795-4779 > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:14:13 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> VW engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003f01c4d102$21492cc0$4b32d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original "Are they reliable?" Hello Derek As others have said, the VW is as reliable as the sum of the parts used. I ran my first VW engine 20 years without opening the case. It was a type 4. Most will say it is tougher, but heaver then the other VW engines, and not as many parts are available in the aftermarket world for it. Some parts suppliers sell cheap parts for all the VW engines and this is where the lack of quality affects reliability. I purchased an engine from someone with a reputation for constructing good engines and found that he used cheap parts, one of which failed while I was in the air. Any used engine that you buy, must be examined by a qualified person. As for junk yard engines, the parts may be good, but have to be inspected and tested by qualified persons. For example the crankshaft, they can be measured and magnafluxed and can be perfectly good. Engine cases can be checked in a similar manner and can be reconditioned and used over and over. As everyone else says, cheap has a reason. Shop around and you may catch an engine forsale from one of the major suppliers being sold as part of a project for sale. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:03:26 -0800 (PST) From: Grant Watkins Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: KRnet Message-ID: <20041123030326.85126.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You may want to check into some of the rule changes that came about with the sport pilot certification. I believe that some of the rules that apply to being the mechanic or A&P for an experimental or sport type aircraft have changed. I was at an EAA meeting recently where they discussed the changes and I think that you can go to some fairly brief training and become the primary mechanic on an aircraft that you have purchased as long as the aircraft is "sport" eligible. robert glidden wrote:You actually can apply for a repairman's certificate if you build the majority of the aircraft,but if two people build it only one repairman's certificate can be issued.And the repairman's certificate is only for that aircraft and no others. > That is only if you build it yourself. The person who built it can continue > to be the A&P on that plane, if they received their A&P license for > it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:55:42 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, you get a repairman certificate for the plane, not an A&P. The repairman certificate give you the ability to do the annual condition inspection. Any owner of an experimental, if they built it or not, can do the maintenance. If you did not build it you need to get an A&P to do the condition inspection, but they do not need to be an IA like they would for a certified plane. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:38 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info That is only if you build it yourself. The person who built it can continue to be the A&P on that plane, if they received their A&P license for it. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- If I were to buy a completed experimental aircraft would I still be able to administer the annual inspections and do the maintenance or is that only if you build it yourself? _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 217 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================