From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 219 Date: 11/23/2004 8:59:15 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: PINK SLIP (Dan Heath) 2. Re: LSA rules (Rick Human) 3. LSA rules (rhartwig11@juno.com) 4. Re: PINK SLIP (robert glidden) 5. RE: PINK SLIP (Brian Kraut) 6. Fw: KR-1 retract gear request (Mark Langford) 7. Re: LSA mechanic rules (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 8. Re: PINK SLIP (IFLYKRS@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:54:00 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> PINK SLIP To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41A3CD98.00000D.01352@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All I can say to that is AAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNN and congratulations. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering RE: I was given the infamous Pink Slip from the FAA today. I am in possession of that pink piece of paper we all dream of getting that states Special Airworthiness Certificate". Here is my Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:16:34 -0600 From: "Rick Human" Subject: Re: KR> LSA rules To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001901c4d1ba$dbba2bf0$1cd6dacf@desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Colin - don't want to start a flame war - but your missing the point - you do not have to license it as a ELSA - but rather an Experimental Amateur built - if you can document that it meets the Sport Aircraft criteria by flight test your home free - as far as the FAA is concerned there was only one KR-2 and that was built and licensed by Ken Rand - All others are (Your name ) KR-2 etc. and all are unique aircraft. I also pressed the FFA rep on flaps - he emphatically stated the aircraft could not be equipped - all the while showing pictures of Kitfoxes and Zenith 701's. Rick Human Houston, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: KR> LSA rules >I believe that your FAA briefer was attempting to state that the >aircraft >cannot have a combination of lift enhancing devices, retractable gear, and >inflight adjustable prop, which would constitute a complex aircraft. Flaps >alone would not be prohibited because they make approaches safer, they just >might be prohibited for establishing the stall speed as previously stated. > > You are really opening up a can of worms if you attempt to build a KR1 > or > 2 and get it certified under the ELSA rules due to the fact that more than > 1000 examples have already been built which do not comform to the rules. > After extensive exposure to the FAA, both attempting to get inspected, and > nearly 4 years as an Aviation Safety Counselor, I firmly believe that you > will not be able to simply request your example be certified under the new > rule without extensive proving ground type testing prior to certification. > There is no manufacturer of the KR so there is no parent company to > provide a factory example modified to conform to the new rules. With so > many not conforming, I can see the DAR unwilling to approve ELSA until you > prove to him that your plane does in fact conform. I know for sure that > no actual FAA employee will sign off on it. I can tell you that solo, > with belly board deployed, my KR2 sets down between 50 and 55 mph IN > GROUND EFFECT. Clean air stall will be higher. If I were intending on t > FLY SAFE! > > Colin & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA > Sanford, FL > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:22:11 -0600 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> LSA rules To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041123.182212.3916.0.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rick, Thanks for the LSA info. Dick H ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:39:26 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> PINK SLIP To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01ec01c4d1c6$6f108560$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Way to go Mark,Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > I was given the infamous Pink Slip from the FAA today. I am in > possession of that pink piece of paper we all dream of getting that states "Special Airworthiness Certificate". > > Here is my Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! > at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:47:53 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> PINK SLIP To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Long due congratulations. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:50 PM To: KR Net Subject: KR> PINK SLIP I was given the infamous Pink Slip from the FAA today. I am in possession of that pink piece of paper we all dream of getting that states "Special Airworthiness Certificate". Here is my Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:17:59 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> Fw: KR-1 retract gear request To: Message-ID: <001101c4d1cb$d169bab0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here's a message I'm forwarding for a KR-1 builder in need of retract gear. I don't know if they are the same as KR2, but I'm guessing it is. Does anybody know for sure? If so, I'll bet there are several sets that he'd be welcome to. Please contact him at the phone number below... Thanks, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Caz Merrick Subject: KR-1 Please post a wanted-ad for a KR-1 retactable gear leg. I had landing mishap and sheared off my right side main gear. N877E is a 1976 vintage and equipped with the factory retractable gear parts. Unfortunately Rand Engineering is not sell ing the retractable gear parts anymore. I would be very grateful for any help on that matter. You can reach me at Home: (804)-758-1717 or Cell: (804)-436-4199, you may also reach me at this email address beloning to a friend of mine (wingman2100@aol.com) sincerely, Michael Kuhnert ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:08:40 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> LSA mechanic rules To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041123.221640.132.2.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The spars are not longer, just the tip ends, Virg On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:18:02 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > RE: One of the KR designer rules was NOT to lengthen the wings!!! > > Interesting that everyone using Dan Diehl, and maybe even Rand, wing > skins > is using longer wings. That is a lot of KRs. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > has expired. > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:25:28 EST From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> PINK SLIP To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <6.38f7097f.2ed56738@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Way to go Mark! I cant wait to see another one born.... praying for you on your test flight and all to follow. I hope that this years gathering will see five Corvair KRs in a row - low level and in formation - what a sound that would be.... Bill ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 219 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================