From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 220 Date: 11/24/2004 8:59:17 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: O200 (Phillip Matheson) 2. LSA rules per Part21 (Colin & Bev Rainey) 3. Re: Fw: KR-1 retract gear request (Dan Heath) 4. LSA rules per Part21 (rhartwig11@juno.com) 5. Brake line run for trigear (Scott Bailey) 6. RE: Brake line run for trigear (Mark Jones) 7. RE: Brake line run for trigear (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 8. Hinge holes (Dean Cooper) 9. Information (Eduardo Iglesias) 10. Re: Fw: KR-1 retract gear request (Russ Fenlason) 11. Re: Hinge holes (JSMONDAY@aol.com) 12. Re: LSA rules per Part21 (Ron Butterfield) 13. Re: MSD Coil Selector (David Mullins) 14. Re: MSD Coil Selector (thepittses@juno.com) 15. Re: PINK SLIP (The Weber's) 16. Re: PINK SLIP (Mark Jones) 17. Re: THE HARBOR FREIGHT PAINT SPRAY GUN (Mike Turner) 18. Re: THE HARBOR FREIGHT PAINT SPRAY GUN (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:02:43 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> O200 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011e01c4d1eb$370ff950$42b1dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Gavin How is the 0200 coming along. I'm still building I just made my front deck, now I can TRY and do the Canopy Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:55:33 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> LSA rules per Part21 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008e01c4d203$5c2f6000$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rick and netters I am not trying to say anyone is wrong, I have just been around the FAA for a long time, and I really don't care what one presenter is saying at a local meeting, until I see it in print in the regs, and so far it is NOT published concerning ELSA just LSA in Part21, I would not count on being able to certify my plane under that designation. No where in the rules does it say that you may simply apply for a Special Airworthiness Amateur Built and then after testing state that it complies with ELSA so it will be operated in that category and requires that licensure from the pilot. It clearly states in Part 21 that to qualify for LSA the information and testing data that supports that must be submitted at the time of the application. I find it very difficult to believe that IN PRACTICE the FAA will conduct Amateur Built in reverse, especally since this new category lowers the pilot requirements to be able to fly. You and I have both seen Zodiac 601 & 701s reported to be able to qualify for the LSA & ELSA rules, along with the Pioneer 200 from Alpi, and offering from Wicks, and many others. Yet so far the partial list only includes the J3 cub types, of course ultralights, yet some are still not included on their list. I have included a brief description from the rule of the aircraft. Light Sport Aircraft: a.. Light sport aircraft are defined as simple, low-performance, low-energy aircraft that are limited to - a.. 1,320 pounds maximum certificated gross weight (1,430 lb for seaplane/float equipped) b.. Maximum of two-occupant seating c.. A single engine (non-turbine) d.. Maximum airspeed of 120 knots e.. Fixed landing gear f.. Maximum stall speed (without lift enhancing devices) of 45 knots b.. Aircraft meeting the above specifications, such as a Piper J-2 or J-3, Aeronca Champ, or early model Taylorcraft, may be flown by sport pilots. It is also interesting to note that the FAA make it quite clear in the rule that they will use their judgement in determining whether an aircraft meets the ELSA criteria or not. They also specifically prohibit the mdoification of existing aircraft that perform outside the parameters of the ELSA from being modified to qualify, stating that this is not the purpose of the rule. They clearly state that the purpose of the new rule is to bring under regulation aircraft who were previously being operated undet Part 103 without certification. Be careful. If you think you can just claim your version of the KR complies with Sport Pilot, and so it is one, think again. According to comments and explainations in the new rule, available online from EAA and AOPA, the aircraft must meet the same consensus standard and requirements as the LSA manufacturers. As I said before, the FAA makes it clear that this rule is not for allowing existing designs or aircraft to be built or re-built as LSA or ELSA, but rather to certify aircraft previously operating under Part 103. With so many flying examples of the KR already exceeding the parameters, you will have to significantly change this design in order to convince the FAA that it is LSA or ELSA. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:33:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: KR-1 retract gear request To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41A47181.000008.01788@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" TR: I don't know if they are the same as KR2, but I'm guessing it is. Does anybody know for sure? Not sure this is for sure, but I purchased the Little Beast as an in-progress project, one that was 90% complete and only took me 6 years to finish and another year to get over broken parts. One of those broken parts was a gear leg. I called Janette about it and she told me that the gear legs that I had, were intended for a KR1. So I purchased new legs which were the same, only a little beefier, I think. I sent the KR1 person an e-mail along with some pics. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:43:05 -0600 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> LSA rules per Part21 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041124.054306.2124.1.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "b.. Aircraft meeting the above specifications, such as a Piper J-2 or J-3, Aeronca Champ, or early model Taylorcraft, may be flown by sport pilots." Colin, The above statement that you quoted probably says it all. To be operated by a Sport Pilot, an aircraft does not have to be designated as an ELSA or LSA as long as it meets the various requirements of weight, simplicity and performance.....so I guess it is in writing. A builder who modifies a plans built plane during the original manufacturing process is not modifying an existing aircraft--he is building a new aircraft. The ELSA and LSA classification designations appear to be for production aircraft and factory produced kits. The aircraft that qualify to be flown by a Sport Pilot seem to be another issue. Example: A Piper J3 in its original configuration is not a LSA aircraft, but it can be flown by a Sport Pilot. I have submitted questions to the FAA and EAA and in the meantime continue planning for the "Flying Hershey Bar KR2S-1"......and I will continue to use "seem to", "appear to" and "probably" a lot when writing on this subject. Dick Hartwig Waunakee, WI rhartwig11@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:50:02 -0800 From: "Scott Bailey" Subject: KR> Brake line run for trigear To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm wrestling with the best route for the brake lines now that I've converted a KR2 to DD trigear. I'm considering passing the lines through the spar web to keep from running lines through the cabin. Anyone have any advice for me? Also, I'm also contemplating using NylaFlow pressure tubing versus aluminum brake line. The nylon tube would be much easier to install but I have a nagging feeling that it should be aluminum tube. Thoughts on this? Scott Bailey Belmont, CA -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:59 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 219 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:02:14 -0600 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> Brake line run for trigear To: "'sbailey@mandelcom.com'" , 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC2025ED0CC@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain Using Nylaflo 1/4" tubing is ok. I did and have had no problems yet. There is no need to run the lines inside the spar. Run the lines on the back side of the main spar to inside the cabin under your seat. Then run the lines along the cabin floor next to the fuselage sides. No need to make it more complicated than that. Remember the KISS rule. Keep it simple and sweet. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Special Airworthiness Certificate issued 11-23-04 Wales, WI -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Scott Bailey I'm wrestling with the best route for the brake lines now that I've converted a KR2 to DD trigear. I'm considering passing the lines through the spar web to keep from running lines through the cabin. Anyone have any advice for me? Also, I'm also contemplating using NylaFlow pressure tubing versus aluminum brake line. The nylon tube would be much easier to install but I have a nagging feeling that it should be aluminum tube. Thoughts on this? ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:22:24 GMT From: "jscott.pilot@juno.com" Subject: RE: KR> Brake line run for trigear To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041124.062321.12716.182293@webmail03.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain You will find that you get better brake pressure using 3/16" Nylaflo over 1/4" Nylaflo due to the expansion of the tubing walls under pressure. Additionally, I recommend switching to aluminum, stainless, or braided brake line before it enters the wheel fairing. Nylaflow line will melt and rupture with heat and pressure under heavy braking. Two of our local EAA chapter members have had failures, one with a complete loss of the aircraft in the ensuing fire caused by hydraulic fluid that sprayed onto the hot brakes. Jeff -- Mark Jones wrote: Using Nylaflo 1/4" tubing is ok. I did and have had no problems yet. There is no need to run the lines inside the spar. Run the lines on the back side of the main spar to inside the cabin under your seat. Then run the lines along the cabin floor next to the fuselage sides. No need to make it more complicated than that. Remember the KISS rule. Keep it simple and sweet. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Special Airworthiness Certificate issued 11-23-04 Wales, WI -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Scott Bailey I'm wrestling with the best route for the brake lines now that I've converted a KR2 to DD trigear. I'm considering passing the lines through the spar web to keep from running lines through the cabin. Anyone have any advice for me? Also, I'm also contemplating using NylaFlow pressure tubing versus aluminum brake line. The nylon tube would be much easier to install but I have a nagging feeling that it should be aluminum tube. Thoughts on this? _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:51:50 -0500 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: KR> Hinge holes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b601c4d245$e54187f0$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, I'm finishing up my elevator with Dr. Dean REB hinges. What did others do to finish the holes where the hinges enter the leading edge of the elevator, if anything? Do I need to flox the sides or anything? You can't see the holes except with max travel extended, and then it's barely the edge of the hole. Thoughts? Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:53:56 -0300 From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Subject: KR> Information To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c4d248$a87625d0$c76e55c8@iglesias> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Does anybody knows where can I buy a MSD 8210 Coil Selector? Thanks Eduardo --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:04:09 -0800 From: "Russ Fenlason" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: KR-1 retract gear request To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002901c4d260$c2b8f090$0200a8c0@AMBULANCKRM15J> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: KR-1 retract gear request > TR: I don't know if they are the same as KR2, but I'm guessing it is. > Does anybody know for sure? > > KR 1 Gear is the same only bar is a little shorter and only to mount points to center spar.. I dont have the plans with me or I could give the lignth difference. size of bar is the same. Russ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:37:12 EST From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Hinge holes To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <12f.510787c2.2ed62ed8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Waterproofing would be a great benefit!!! Be sure it is all sealed up in case it ever gets wet!!! John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA I'm finishing up my elevator with Dr. Dean REB hinges. What did others do to finish the holes where the hinges enter the leading edge of the elevator, if anything? Do I need to flox the sides or anything? You can't see the holes except with max travel extended, and then it's barely the edge of the hole. Thoughts? ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:16:50 -0500 From: Ron Butterfield Subject: Re: KR> LSA rules per Part21 To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124150904.01b784f0@pop.mebtel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Anyone can read the EAA's synopsis of the Sport Pilot rule (19 pages instead of >400) at the following link: http://www.sportpilot.org/rule/sp_rule.pdf (4) A maximum stalling speed or minimum steady flight speed without the use of lift-enhancing devices (VS1) of not more than 45 knots CAS at the aircraft's maximum certificated takeoff weight and most critical center of gravity. The new Light Sport category seems to be specifically for more complete kits (>51%) and completed aircraft. I'm not sure if the consensus standard for this has been publicly released yet, but that doesn't apply to us anyway. "It appears" that any plans-built experimental will need to be registered under the previously existing experimental category & rules, and that you would apply for the previously existing "experimental repairman's certificate" to allow the owner to perform maintenance & annual inspections. The new "light sport repairmans certificate" is specifically for the more complete kits & completed aircraft, which would not qualify for the previously existing experimental category. "It appears" that any plans-built experimental would be eligible to be flown by a lights sport pilot if it meets all the criteria for a light sport aircraft. I have yet to see anything from the FAA or EAA to even slightly touch on how that eligibility can be confirmed. I suspect that plan-builders will be at the end of the list, as far as priorities go. Regards, RonB ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:02:24 -0500 From: David Mullins Subject: Re: KR> MSD Coil Selector To: KRnet Message-ID: <41A51300.9060203@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed You can find them at: http://www.jegs.com or http://www.summitracing.com/ Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire Eduardo Iglesias wrote: >Hi > >Does anybody knows where can I buy a MSD 8210 Coil Selector? Thanks >Eduardo >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 02:18:47 GMT From: "thepittses@juno.com" Subject: Re: KR> MSD Coil Selector To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041124.181854.23397.199262@webmail15.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Try this link should take you right to it, 49.95 http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=esearch.asp&N=110&Ntk=KeywordSearch&Ntt=MSD+8210+Coil+Selector&x=20&y=14 You may have to paste it in the browser Eric Pitts Indiana KR2S ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:29:20 -0600 From: "The Weber's" Subject: Re: KR> PINK SLIP To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000001c4d297$02e3e180$64cab4d8@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark: Great feeling isn't it after 6 years of building? When is the first flight? Hope it goes good! Joe Weber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:49 PM Subject: KR> PINK SLIP > I was given the infamous Pink Slip from the FAA today. I am in > possession of that pink piece of paper we all dream of getting that states "Special Airworthiness Certificate". > > Here is my Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:01:20 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> PINK SLIP To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008401c4d29b$0f504860$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I was hoping you would volunteer to test fly it for me. First flight I hope will be soon. I am not going to rush it. I will know when I and the plane are ready. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Weber's" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: Re: KR> PINK SLIP > Mark: > Great feeling isn't it after 6 years of building? When is the first > flight? Hope it goes good! > Joe Weber > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR Net" > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:49 PM > Subject: KR> PINK SLIP > > > > I was given the infamous Pink Slip from the FAA today. I am in possession > of that pink piece of paper we all dream of getting that states > "Special Airworthiness Certificate". > > > > Here is my Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:56:40 -0600 From: "Mike Turner" Subject: Re: KR> THE HARBOR FREIGHT PAINT SPRAY GUN To: , "krnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" please reply on the net as I need the # also Mike Turner Jackson, Mo ----- Original Message ----- From: camrwm@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:39 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> THE HARBOR FREIGHT PAINT SPRAY GUN Could someone please identify the"good" subject spray gun by Harbor Freight part number.You can respond directly to me at camrwm@earthlink.net Thanks Bob Morrissey _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:14:18 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> THE HARBOR FREIGHT PAINT SPRAY GUN To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001701c4d2a5$3bd6dbb0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > please reply on the net as I need the # also Check the KRnet Archive at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp , and type in "harbor freight paint gun", then check the 8th message from the top, which mentions the #43430 paint gun (well it may be down to 9 after this message is posted). Since I bought it (and used it), I've taken the community college painting class, where the instructor voiced his opinion that it was a great "primer" gun, but wouldn't put out enough material for a good paint job. I've heard other opinions too, and I managed to paint the bottom of my plane OK, but when it came to my car, I used an old DeVillbis that I've had for 20 years instead. I suspect that it's not really a "true" HVLP gun, but is something of a "regulated" version. I guess the jury's still out in my mind, but if I was strapped for cash, I'd paint the rest of my plane with it, and probably do no worse... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 220 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================