From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 223 Date: 11/28/2004 8:59:15 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Web Page Update (Phillip Matheson) 2. Re: faster filler (Dan Heath) 3. quick cure epoxy fillers (Don Chisholm) 4. re. cabosil (Don Chisholm) 5. Aviation Products (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 6. Re: Aviation Products (Dan Heath) 7. Re: Aviation Products (Mark Langford) 8. RE: quick cure epoxy fillers (Brian Kraut) 9. RE: Tail wheel (larry severson) 10. RE: faster filler (larry severson) 11. Aviation Products/Tail Wheel (ronevogt@cox.net) 12. KR 2 kit for sale (Joachim Saupe) 13. Aviation Products (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 14. Re: faster filler (Eduardo Iglesias) 15. Re: Tail wheel (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 16. epoxy compatable light weight fillers (Don Chisholm) 17. Trim Tab Deflection (Dean Cooper) 18. visiting Tallahassee (Kevin Jarvis) 19. Re: Trim Tab Deflection (Kenneth B. Jones) 20. RE: Trim Tab Deflection (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:43:03 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Web Page Update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001e01c4d526$46968680$33b0dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have been having problems with my wed page I have just added a new page showing my new front deck. Added more to my Flap page, and fixed my wing skin removal page. Hopefully fixed up all the photo's on my other web pages. Hope they all work now. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 06:46:13 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> faster filler To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41A9BA85.000007.01292@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I found that super fil cures out much more quickly than resin. I just wish that they made a thinner for it. Light Weight Bondo is heavy, but it cures almost too quickly and has a sticky surface like Vinyl Ester that you have to grind through. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 07:52:14 -0500 (EST) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> quick cure epoxy fillers To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041128125214.31483.qmail@web88010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been using MGS 335 epoxy resin that comes with 2 hardeners, H335 hardener which is the fast hardener has a pot life of 15 to 25 minutes and is sandable mixed with micro spheres in about 4 hrs. at room temperature. The resin is almost water thin and has to be mixed with Cabosil to make it thixotropic. Diamond Aircraft uses MGS resin in the manufacture of their aircraft line. Aircraft Spruce lists it, there are 2 hardeners a fast and slow that can be mixed together to get a pot life of up to 6 hours just using the slow hardener Don Chisholm chizmsupholstery@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:26:28 -0500 (EST) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> re. cabosil To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041128132628.34358.qmail@web88010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cabosil is silica powder and is used to thicken resin to give it a property so it won't sag when you are doing a vertical layup. It's my guess that is why other resins are blended thick to make them more user friendly. Mix micropheres to resin only after the resin and hardener have been blended together to a dry micro putty for a light weight filler. I found that using this system, the filler spread easier and sanded easier, the drier you got it the easier it was to sand. I've used thicker resins and found that MGS was more user friendly and not as toxic ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 07:53:55 -0600 From: Subject: KR> Aviation Products To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001201c4d551$b3f40ec0$99c85844@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan, Brian and KR Netters. On the internet, I type in " aviationproducts.com" and it says it is for sale and tells who to contact. I hope I am wrong. Ray Goree Ray Goree 817-795-4779 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:05:23 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Aviation Products To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41A9DB23.000005.02892@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" When you type in a "domain name", that is not being used, you get that message. All it is telling you, is that no one currently has that domain name and that the domain name is for sale. This company does not even have an e-mail address. I am going to follow up on this. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- Subject: KR> Aviation Products On the internet, I type in " aviationproducts.com" and it says it is for sale and tells who to contact. I hope I am wrong. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:07:14 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Aviation Products To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <03f001c4d55b$f3a82600$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here's something I posted back in 98, dug up in the archives in about thirty seconds. I just called the phone number and it is valid...got Aviation Products answering machine. Call them on Monday... Date: Aug 5, 1998 1:09 AM From: Mark Langford Subject: KR: FW: tailwheel number and manufacturer TailHeads, Being a born cheapskate, I asked Mike Mims (and later Dana) for the info on the label on the wonderful tailwheels that you guys keep talking about and saved $55. I ordered one (the 20 degree version) for $169 direct from the manufacturer, whose name and phone number are in the following post from Dana: ------------------ Seems to me that Mike said somewhere that you could buy it from the manufacturer. The sticker on the side lists the company as Aviation Products, Inc. 805 646-6042. The one I bought is the 45 degree, 4" wheel and uses a 1-1/4 or 1-1/2" flat spring. If you don't want the tail as high as mine (9 3/4"), they make it with 20 degree of angle. AS&S sells it for $223.00 for comparison. ----------------- The 20 and 45 degee stuff refers to the angle (from horizontal) of the spring that you're mounting to. The GOP (guy on phone) said you want the axis vertical.Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabamasee KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langfordemail to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net-------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:35:59 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> quick cure epoxy fillers To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That sounds like just what I am looking for. Thanks. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Don Chisholm Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 7:52 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> quick cure epoxy fillers I've been using MGS 335 epoxy resin that comes with 2 hardeners, H335 hardener which is the fast hardener has a pot life of 15 to 25 minutes and is sandable mixed with micro spheres in about 4 hrs. at room temperature. The resin is almost water thin and has to be mixed with Cabosil to make it thixotropic. Diamond Aircraft uses MGS resin in the manufacture of their aircraft line. Aircraft Spruce lists it, there are 2 hardeners a fast and slow that can be mixed together to get a pot life of up to 6 hours just using the slow hardener Don Chisholm chizmsupholstery@rogers.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:02:43 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: RE: KR> Tail wheel To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041128100038.00bface8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:56 PM 11/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: >It would be a shame if they were out of business. Maybe it is not the >same company. The sticker on my Midget Mustang wheel says they are in >Ojai, CA, phone 805-646-6042. I would not be surprised if that area >code has changed since the wheel has been there for a while. I talked to them and received a tailspring from them in the last 3 weeks at the above phone number. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:04:14 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: RE: KR> faster filler To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041128100312.0263baf8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:56 PM 11/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I was thinking of that since I make a very thick micro now then thin it >enough to spread easily, but I have been noticing that if you use too >much alcohol the micro seems to separate out of the epoxy. If the micro is well mixed, I have thinned it down to thinned latex paint consistency without separation. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:57:54 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Aviation Products/Tail Wheel To: Message-ID: <20041128185756.LKRK16894.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Netters; Not only is Aviation Products still in business, but a good friend of mine is the expert machinist that builds the tailwheels in question. Small world, isn't it? RV ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:06:41 -0600 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: KR> KR 2 kit for sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-220041102820641156@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Netters, I have a KR 2 kit for sale. Many premolded parts. No work done. I'm located in Fort Worth, Texas. If interested e-mail me off list. jsaupe6848@earthlink.net Joachim Saupe jsaupe6848@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:38:42 -0600 From: Subject: KR> Aviation Products To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003a01c4d59b$03e8eba0$dcca5844@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks, All, for setting me straight about Aviation Products. I am glad I was wrong. I will be calling them soon. I am interested in their product. Ray Goree Ray Goree 817-795-4779 ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:36:25 -0300 From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Subject: Re: KR> faster filler To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003d01c4d5a3$14193b80$e16e55c8@iglesias> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Add alcohhol, 10 to 15% when the mix micro-epoxi is ready. You can re use alcohol again if necessary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 1:56 AM Subject: RE: KR> faster filler >I was thinking of that since I make a very thick micro now then thin it >enough to spread easily, but I have been noticing that if you use too >much alcohol the micro seems to separate out of the epoxy. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of > Phillip Matheson > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 11:14 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> faster filler > > > plenty of faster drying epoxies but all the ones I know of are a lot > thicker > than the slow laminating epoxies. > ------------------- > Brian > > Thin the thicker epoxy with alcohol ( We call Mentholated Spirits) > then > add > your micro, the alco should evaporate , Try a small amount first > > Phil Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > Australia > 61 3 58833588 > Kr Construction Web page > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html > See our VW Engines and home built Parts > and Kits at: > http://www.vw-engines.com/ > www.homebuilt-aviation.com > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:41:20 -0600 From: Subject: Re: KR> Tail wheel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004801c4d5a3$c3b68200$dcca5844@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks, Larry Ray goree ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: RE: KR> Tail wheel > At 11:56 PM 11/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>It would be a shame if they were out of business. Maybe it is not the >>same >>company. The sticker on my Midget Mustang wheel says they are in Ojai, >>CA, >>phone 805-646-6042. I would not be surprised if that area code has >>changed >>since the wheel has been there for a while. > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:54:49 -0500 (EST) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> epoxy compatable light weight fillers To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041128235449.64726.qmail@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii there is a light weight filler available from system three called quick sand that looks like it holds some promise by the same people that produce T88 adhesive. it's 5.7 lbs. per gallon.Although I've never weighed an epoxy microballoon mix it's my guess that it is definitely lighter. Don Chisholm chizmsupholstery@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:25:04 -0500 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: KR> Trim Tab Deflection To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008b01c4d5c3$04d01020$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, Can anyone tell me the recommended deflection angle (both up and down) for the elevator trim tab? Thanks. ps. It has been a productive week off. 1) My HS / elevator / trim tab are done, 2) my rudder is 80% done and will be complete tomorrow, and 3) my 2/3-1/3 folding seat back is done. Next up is the canopy (boy, with the canopy frame clamped in place, it really starts looking like and airplane... yeehaa). When I get a chance to stop building for a few hours, I'll update my website and let you know. Hope everyone in the states had a good holiday weekend. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:50:16 -0500 From: Kevin Jarvis Subject: KR> visiting Tallahassee To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <41AA9C78.9080301@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Greetings If there are any KR's in the Tallahassee area and you have the time to give me a tour of your craft, I will be in the area this Tuesday pm and leaving around noon the next day. Email me if this can work out. Kevin Naples/Ottumwa N741T ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:03:56 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Trim Tab Deflection To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006601c4d5c8$72bcfc60$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> I'm sure every plane is different, but my ~stock KR2 needs a trim tab angle of about 45 degrees down with just me in the plane. I flew once with 180 lbs in the right seat and the trim tab was at 0 degrees after landing. I have an A-65 engine, tricycle gear stock KR-2. empty weight is ~620 lbs. Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Cooper" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: KR> Trim Tab Deflection > Netters, > > Can anyone tell me the recommended deflection angle (both up and down) for > the elevator trim tab? Thanks. > > > ps. It has been a productive week off. 1) My HS / elevator / trim tab > are > done, 2) my rudder is 80% done and will be complete tomorrow, and 3) my > 2/3-1/3 folding seat back is done. Next up is the canopy (boy, with the > canopy frame clamped in place, it really starts looking like and > airplane... > yeehaa). When I get a chance to stop building for a few hours, I'll > update > my website and let you know. Hope everyone in the states had a good > holiday > weekend. > > > Dean Cooper > Jacksonville, FL > Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net > See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:40:44 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Trim Tab Deflection To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If I remember correctly mine was about 30 but I never needed more than about 10. Don't know that there is a recommended angle. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Kenneth B. Jones Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 11:04 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Trim Tab Deflection I'm sure every plane is different, but my ~stock KR2 needs a trim tab angle of about 45 degrees down with just me in the plane. I flew once with 180 lbs in the right seat and the trim tab was at 0 degrees after landing. I have an A-65 engine, tricycle gear stock KR-2. empty weight is ~620 lbs. Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Cooper" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: KR> Trim Tab Deflection > Netters, > > Can anyone tell me the recommended deflection angle (both up and down) for > the elevator trim tab? Thanks. > > > ps. It has been a productive week off. 1) My HS / elevator / trim tab > are > done, 2) my rudder is 80% done and will be complete tomorrow, and 3) my > 2/3-1/3 folding seat back is done. Next up is the canopy (boy, with the > canopy frame clamped in place, it really starts looking like and > airplane... > yeehaa). When I get a chance to stop building for a few hours, I'll > update > my website and let you know. Hope everyone in the states had a good > holiday > weekend. > > > Dean Cooper > Jacksonville, FL > Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net > See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 223 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================