From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 224 Date: 11/29/2004 8:59:32 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Homebuilt Question (Derek H. Hudeck) 2. Re: Fw: [saaa_ch20] Instrument Repairs (Phil Matheson) 3. Re: Trim Tab Deflection - trim tab angle of about 45 degrees down (Dan Heath) 4. Homebuilt Question (Colin & Bev Rainey) 5. Re: Fw: [saaa_ch20] Instrument Repairs (GavinandLouise) 6. Fw: [saaa_ch20] Instrument Repairs (Kevin Jarvis) 7. Instrument (Colin & Bev Rainey) 8. TEST (Mark Jones) 9. RE: General Homebuilt Info (Kevin Angus) 10. canopy const. (Fritz) 11. Question (Stephen and Janet Henderson) 12. Re: TEST (The Weber's) 13. Re: Question (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 14. Re: Question (larry flesner) 15. a YEEE HAAA kind of day(long) (larry flesner) 16. Re: Question (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 17. New Web Site (Bavo) 18. Re: General Homebuilt Info (Orma) 19. Re: a YEEE HAAA kind of day(long) (Dean Cooper) 20. Carburetor (Dan Walker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:45:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Derek H. Hudeck" Subject: KR> Homebuilt Question To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <62541.69.150.186.83.1101710707.squirrel@69.150.186.83> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hello, I'm not sure who wrote this but somebody informed me that if I buy a completed KR, I can do all of the maintenance but I just can't do the annual inspections. He then said that there was a training course that I could go through to be eligible to carry out the annuals as well (something to do with the sport category.) If anyone has any specifics or any information at all, please respond. Thank you. Derek Hudeck ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SamMail. Sam Houston State University ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:59:27 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: [saaa_ch20] Instrument Repairs To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c4d5fa$1dca6440$75b1dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have a New ( as far as I know) Winter ( West Germany)Air Speed indicator, that came with my KR2, it does not work, the needle seems o be free to move but no movement when connected to a pitot tube and placed out the window of at car at 120kmh. Are the worth fixing . How can repair them ??Or just buy a new one?? Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 05:43:17 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Trim Tab Deflection - trim tab angle of about 45 degrees down To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41AAFD45.000001.00664@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would be checking the W&B. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 05:57:47 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Homebuilt Question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ec01c4d602$43443a40$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Derek and netters First off the comments about maintenance and repairs is correct and was made here on the KRnet just a few days ago. What one should do, especially if you are new to aircraft or mechanical maintenance or both, is read and study accepted authorities on the subject, such as Tony Bingelis, and get a copy of the FAA Part 43 and its associated Advisory Circular, (the AC can be downloaded, the AMT book is available at any pilot shop) in order to acquaint yourself with how to do the job safely. There may be other right ways to do something, but have been found to not be safe, as I found after my first aircraft inspection. Secondly, there is NO course for you to be able to take to do your own condition inspection, except to get your A&P license. The training course referred to applies to already licensed individuals as a guide on how they need to upgrade to add LSA aircraft to what they can repair, not the average layman off the street. The FAA wants to maintain quality control over the end result of flying aircraft. By having an initial inspection by a DAR and requiring an annual condition inspection (don't call it an annual inspection-only certified aircraft get those) performed by an A&P, anything not within acceptable standards is flagged for repair or correction, and then you can go fly. ELSA stands for Experimental Light Sport Aircraft and is an aircraft that has been built to comply with the standards for the LSAC or Light Sport Aircraft Category. LSA stands for Light Sport Aircraft and applies to those aircraft that are mass produced under Part 23 Regs and the prototype is approved by the FAA for such production, and has 2 forms: completed kits, and over 51% complete (for quality control). My next comments are not to disuade anyone from building their dream aircraft, only do so with your eyes open. In the commentary given by the FAA after the final rule was published, the FAA National Representatives stated that the new category was intended to add regulation to the previously unregulated aircraft flying under Part 103. They specifically state that existing aircraft (such as completed KRs) cannot be modified to comply with the LSA standard and be re-certified in that category. They go on to state that the new category was never intended for this purpose. Those who are studying the regs and comments should not read portions, but rather the whole publishing, because sections like this are missed since they do not follow directly after the explaination of the standards and criteria. After several years of teaching the regs, you get used to seeing how one reg relies on another which relies on another and so on, and how they build upon one another. That is why you cannot look at just one part or you will miss a great deal. How does this apply to the KR and the Net? By using the KR plans as a guide and re-engineering the aircraft, probably at least new wings, possibly empennage as well, which becomes a new plane of your design, then you may be able to convince the FAA to allow it to be certified as an ELSA, in the LSA Category, once testing of your "prototype" has been accomplished. Your pink slip may be with held and only flights for testing be allowed which may have to be individually approved just like a manufacturer (because that is what you are for your plane) in order to prove the aircraft. If a Special Airworthiness is issued in the Amateur Built Category, I have not read anywhere where you can convert to ELSA. You take a big chance after all that investment of time and money if that is the only way you can go, using DL for medical and getting a Sport Pilot License. Also, you never know about the FAA. They may require only a licensed pilot with at least a Private can perform the test flying for your new design if it is to be certified as an ELSA, that remains to be seen. Your safe bet at this point is to choose an aircraft already approved and get into the air. Otherwise we may see your project on EBay also. Lastly, if you care about your family, DO NOT attempt to circumvent the Regs about using your license in place of your medical, if you have ever been denied a medical, OR have a condition that you know will disqualify you from receiving a medical. The Regs are very clear on this point and make it a pilot infraction violation if he knowingly flies under these condtions. If you have an incident or accident, it is very likely that you will have to go for a minimum drug test, possibly physical, if you survive, and definitely your body will have an autopsy done. The worst that could happen is that you lose the plane and then get blamed due to ineligiblity for flight, which means you did not qualify medically to fly! Can you say Pandora's Box! Solution: build with a partner who is licensed and go fly with them. Better to protect and be legal then risk it all. FLY SAFE! Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:52:49 +1000 From: "GavinandLouise" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: [saaa_ch20] Instrument Repairs To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000f01c4d66e$88b92c40$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just buy a new one, there have been a few serviceable ASI's on ebay Australia lately. Gav > How can repair them ??Or just buy a new one?? > Phil Matheson http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:23:57 -0500 From: Kevin Jarvis Subject: KR> Fw: [saaa_ch20] Instrument Repairs To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <41AB3F0D.4070504@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Did you connect a static line in "still" air, i.e.., a line into the car for a static source ? You said: I have a New ( as far as I know) Winter ( West Germany)Air Speed indicator, that came with my KR2, it does not work, the needle seems o be free to move but no movement when connected to a pitot tube and placed out the window of at car at 120kmh. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:46:13 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Instrument To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002401c4d62a$8ea6c0c0$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In case you cannot see where Kevin is going, if both the static and pitot line ports had pressure applied from the car slipstream, the instrument would not read, since it reads the pressure difference between pitot and static. The static must be free to read static only. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:05:28 -0600 From: Mark Jones Subject: KR> TEST To: "KR Net (E-mail)" Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC2025ED0D9@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:06:25 -0700 From: "Kevin Angus" Subject: RE: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "get an A&P to do the condition inspection" Any idea what the cost would be for the inspection? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 8:56 PM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> General Homebuilt Info Actually, you get a repairman certificate for the plane, not an A&P. The repairman certificate give you the ability to do the annual condition inspection. Any owner of an experimental, if they built it or not, can do the maintenance. If you did not build it you need to get an A&P to do the condition inspection, but they do not need to be an IA like they would for a certified plane. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:38 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info That is only if you build it yourself. The person who built it can continue to be the A&P on that plane, if they received their A&P license for it. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- If I were to buy a completed experimental aircraft would I still be able to administer the annual inspections and do the maintenance or is that only if you build it yourself? _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:18:25 -0500 From: "Fritz" Subject: KR> canopy const. To: Message-ID: <00e201c4d650$97a04f90$01fea8c0@MillFritz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have a rand canopy frame for my KR-2,can I totally re-inforce it to the shape of the fuse.before installing a Todd's canopy bubble. Fritz ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:18:11 -0500 From: "Stephen and Janet Henderson" Subject: KR> Question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000c01c4d672$141a4be0$0f02a8c0@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone know Larry Flesner's email address? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Stephen Henderson sph12@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:36:11 -0600 From: "The Weber's" Subject: Re: KR> TEST To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008101c4d674$98324c00$5ccab4d8@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark: I received your E-mail but there was no letter with it. If you are going to be at the airport saturday I might fly over. Joe Weber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: KR> TEST > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:47:41 -0600 From: Subject: Re: KR> Question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002a01c4d676$33599390$74485844@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen and Janet Henderson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: KR> Question ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:46:05 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Question To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041129184605.007d3e20@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:18 PM 11/29/04 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone know Larry Flesner's email address? Any help would be >greatly appreciated. >Stephen Henderson ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Yes, it's flesner@midwest.net Sincerely, Larry Flesner :-) ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:46:40 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> a YEEE HAAA kind of day(long) To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041129184640.007ca7d0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Things have been a bit slow on the net so I'll try to give the current builders some motivation to get back out to the shop and keep building. Yesterday was cool and somewhat cloudy here in southern Illinois but the wind was near calm and the air was smooth. I got to the airport about 9:30AM and gave the KR a quick checkout. My friend Bill called me on the cell as I was driving to the airport. His son was visiting and Bill wanted to borrow the Tripacer to take him flying. I told him to bring his camera and the Tripacer was full of fuel and at the local airport. My home base (hangar) is about 20 miles from where we live so he was airborne before me. As I fired up the KR I heard Bill on the radio with two ultralight buddies flying Challengers headed to my home base. I quickly got airborne and did an intercept about 10 miles out. Bill was above the scattered cloud deck so I joined him at 4000 feet. His son took several really good pic's of the KR while the Challengers were landing. We started our decent to land and Bill was a bit slow getting down and doing a two mile straight-in approach. I informed him to continue his approach while I made a 190 mph dive for the airport and did a fly-by for the locals. I pulled up and joined the pattern behind him for landing. We made quick work of a dozen doughnuts and decided to head to the Challenger's home base about 25 miles west. I was the last to depart and gave the Challengers a fly-by on the way back. I then did a 360 and joined the formation flying at 60 mph between the two Challengers. As we passed over a friends grass strip, Bill in the Tripe and me in the KR had to give him a low pass to let him know we were out and about. Arriving at the Challenger's home base I had to make a low pass to check the wind and again joined the pattern for landing. As we sat in the hangar discussing the pro's and con's of the various flying machines, more and more of our flying buddies kept arriving. They finally talked me into flying (solo) the Tri-Star ultralight. It seems to be the ultralight they send unsuspecting suckers out to fly to introduce them to ultralights and then later set around and make fun of the poor newcomer and his flying abilities. This TriStar is a two axis machine with rudder and elevator only. That took some getting used to as the KR requires little if any rudder once airborne. Anyway, I managed to take off, circle the airport, and land without any PIO cycles or doing any damage to the TriStar. Did I mention that this TriStar has only two working instruments? The CHT and EGT guage. This was real "seat-of-the-pants" flying!! After an hour or two the crowd broke up and I headed South about 20 miles to a friend's grass strip. Two airplanes were setting outside and lots of vechicles in the drive so I gave them a low pass and landed. Turns out they were having a birthday party so I joined in having some cake. He later flew one of the aircraft setting outside, a Super Storch. It's one of a very few of this model in the U.S. He put on a short demo and then it was time for me to leave. I did another pass on departure and headed back to home base. About half way home I saw what looked like a Cherokee headed the opposite direction. As he passed, I could tell it was an Ercoupe. My buddy Steve woke from his afternoon nap and had decided to go flying. I joined up with him and he headed back to my home base. I put the KR in the hangar as he landed and immediately jumped in the Ercoupe with him and flew the 20 miles South to where the Tripacer was at. I jumped in the Tripacer and flew it back to home base in the dark. All the Christmas lights were glowing for the 10 minute flight. I got the airplanes secured and headed home. On my way home reality struck. I remembered I had to stop at the hardware store and pick up a part and fix a toilet when I got home. After the day I had that seemed like a minor price to pay. Soooooo, all you builder out there thinking you'll work on the KR tomorrow, go out and get something done today. There is not only light at the end of the tunnel, there is a WHOLE BUNCH OF FUN TO BE HAD TOO. GET TO BUILDING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll e-mail a couple of pic's to Mark L. to put on my site for you to check out. If they don't get you motivated you might as well put the project on e-bay !! Thanks Mark. Larry Flesner 111.0 hours and still grinnin'..................... ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:50:42 -0600 From: Subject: Re: KR> Question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002d01c4d676$9f2dcb40$74485844@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen and Janet Henderson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: KR> Question > Does anyone know Larry Flesner's email address? Any help would be > greatly > appreci flesner@midwest.net Ray Goree ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:12:07 +1100 From: Bavo Subject: KR> New Web Site To: KRnet Message-ID: <830558f904112918125980acb4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I've got my KR construction site up and running at: http://au.geocities.com/johnbavington Have a look and let me know if I can improve anything, or if you find any broken links. If anyone would like a link to thier page added, please feel free to let me know. Mark (or who ever is the Web Master), could you please add a link on the "KR2S Construction" web site. Thanks. Happy building, John. http://au.geocities.com/johnbavington ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:23:24 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> General Homebuilt Info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001b01c4d683$92a65290$4b32d445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Any idea what the cost would be for the inspection? I would charge anywhere between $100 and $500 for the inspection. It depends on the individual inspector, and the aircraft. One thing for sure is that you want to find an individual, rather than a repair facility. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years Flying, flying and more flying http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:40:44 -0500 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> a YEEE HAAA kind of day(long) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00e201c4d68e$5f46c4b0$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry wrote: > Soooooo, all you builder out there thinking you'll work on the KR > tomorrow, go out and get something done today. There is not only > light at the end of the tunnel, there is a WHOLE BUNCH OF FUN TO BE > HAD TOO. GET TO BUILDING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the story Larry! It makes me want to get back out in the garage. I just put the second side of carbon on my rudder, so the tail is very close to done except for the VS, which I'm going to wait a little while make. A couple of business trips and then I'm back on vacation the last 2 weeks of Dec to work on the KR some more. Thanks again for the motivation! Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:10:36 -0700 From: "Dan Walker" Subject: KR> Carburetor To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000c01c4d692$8b9c44a0$e7b5dc18@DJNVYL31> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was wondering if anyone is using a Harley Davison Carb. I've got one on my Mosler 1915cc engine but I'm not sure what size it and if it is even suitable to use in the air. The engine runs great but with a 52X46 props inc prop I can only spin it at 2350 rpms. I definitely think I should be able to get more out of it than this. Jeff at props inc told me to try a different carb maybe a 32 or 34mm carb. I was wondering what others are using and if anyone has any recommendations or if anyone had a carb that they would be willing to let me try out before I bought a new one. Thanks, Dan ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 224 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================