From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 229 Date: 12/4/2004 8:59:11 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: KR1>alierons (Steve Glover) 2. revmaster electronic ignition (Lee Van Dyke) 3. RE: KR1>alierons (Dan Heath) 4. Re: revmaster electronic ignition (Mark Langford) 5. Re: revmaster electronic ignition (Mark Langford) 6. Re: revmaster electronic ignition (larry severson) 7. Re: KR1 aileron (RENOSADLER@aol.com) 8. Re: KR1 aileron (Mark Langford) 9. Travel (patrick36@usfamily.net) 10. Re: KR1 aileron (RENOSADLER@aol.com) 11. Re: spars (Karl) 12. Re: revmaster electronic ignition (Lee Van Dyke) 13. Re: spars (Robert Morrissey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:19:04 -0800 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> KR1>alierons To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rich Shirley has a completely different wing than the RAF 48. The cord on his aileron is bigger but the span is shorter. Also, his ailerons are mode out of aluminum..... Regards, Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:10:06 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: KR> revmaster electronic ignition To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004601c4d9d0$484cbc70$6501a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey netters, I have a question re the revmaster elec. ignition. I'm connecting my EIS and have figured out how to get the tach reading from the mag, but need to know what lead to pull from to get the reading for the tach on the elec ignition. There is a black wire that goes to one coil, and a white wire to the other coil, does it matter what lead I use?? I call and left a mess for Steve B. with GP. but I have not received a call back yet. I have a friend comming over Sat. to give me a hand, so it would be great if I could get it done this weekend. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 05:13:26 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> KR1>alierons To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41B18DC6.00001F.03320@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve, Do you know why he chose to make them out of aluminum? I am going to have to remember to take a closer look at the next gathering he comes to. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 12/04/04 00:19:35 To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> KR1>alierons Rich Shirley has a completely different wing than the RAF 48. The cord on his aileron is bigger but the span is shorter. Also, his ailerons are mode out of aluminum..... Regards, Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:14:57 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> revmaster electronic ignition To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007a01c4da14$03fd9cd0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lee Van Dyke wrote: > I have a question re the revmaster elec. ignition. I'm connecting my > EIS and have figured out how to get the tach reading from the mag, but need to know what lead to pull from to get the reading for the tach on the elec ignition. There is a black wire that goes to one coil, and a white wire to the other coil, does it matter what lead I use?? If these are "normal" coils with a + and a - on the posts, the tach reading would come off the - post. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:20:08 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> revmaster electronic ignition To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007e01c4da14$bd8026f0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wait a minute. I take that back. I didn't answer your question, and my EIS instructions don't show a black and white wire going to the coil, only a yellow "tach" wire. The white wire on my diagram goies to the oil temp sensor, and the black wire goes to ground, so forget anything I said in my previous post....I have no earthly idea where your white and black wires go... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 07:39:55 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> revmaster electronic ignition To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041204073731.00bfd0b0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >I have a question re the revmaster elec. ignition. I'm connecting my >EIS >and have figured out how to get the tach reading from the mag, but need to >know what lead to pull from to get the reading for the tach on the elec >ignition. There is a black wire that goes to one coil, and a white wire >to the other coil, does it matter what lead I use?? I call and left a >mess for Steve B. with GP. but I have not received a call back yet. I >have a friend comming over Sat. to give me a hand, so it would be great if >I could get it done this weekend. You have a Revmaster engine and an EIS, why are you calling Great Plains? Joe Horvath at Revmaster is extremely helpful, but the maker of the EIS should be the proper source of the info you need. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:01:11 EST From: RENOSADLER@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR1 aileron To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <9d.543b5dff.2ee33947@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Back to my original question doe's anybody krnow the exact length to cut the ailerons on orig KR1 plans Thanks Again Bill ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:32:07 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KR1 aileron To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ad01c4da1e$cbf71c20$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Back to my original question doe's anybody krnow the exact length to > cut the > ailerons on orig KR1 plans Thanks Again Bill I don't claim to be a KR1 expert, but I guess since nobody else has answered, I may be all you've got. My plans don't specifically say, but the drawing shows them full length of the aft spar, which is 60", which a 7" inboard chord and a 5" outboard chord. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:26:58 -0600 From: Subject: KR> Travel To: "KR Mailing list" Message-ID: <000801c4da2e$d7f49e20$812cdacf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I will be in the San Jose and Manteca CA area in the next two weeks and also in the Fallon NV area part of that time. Anybody in these areas that is building and wouldn't mind having a few minutes of talking and looking, please email me off line. I can't say that I'll be able to come over but if you leave me a phone number I'll call and let you know if I can make it. Thanks, Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN 55102 patrick36@usfamily.net ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:20:39 EST From: RENOSADLER@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR1 aileron To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thank you Mark, always be safe Bill ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:57:10 +1300 From: "Karl" Subject: Re: KR> spars To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01c4da00$c5dd8220$4e56b4ca@doreenba> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" +AD4-What's the common thinking about making the main spar one piece? +AD4- +AD77777777777777774- Putting all comments aside re: WAFs, the main problem as I see it is the problem of space. 1, Enough room to build and store the spars. 2, Once the spars are fitted to the boat, turing the boat over and just working around the project. 3, Trasporting the finished plane to the airport. If you can solve these problems and I am sure many others then have a go, it is your plane. Karl ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:36:16 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: Re: KR> revmaster electronic ignition To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003001c4da5a$0ceb3730$6501a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry Larry, I stated it was a Revmaster ignition, but it is really a HAPI elec ign. I think Steve bought out Hapi. Revmaster also has an elec ign. but mine is a Hapi... Sorry for the confusion. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:39 AM Subject: Re: KR> revmaster electronic ignition > > >I have a question re the revmaster elec. ignition. I'm connecting my > >EIS and have figured out how to get the tach reading from the mag, > >but need to > >know what lead to pull from to get the reading for the tach on the > >elec ignition. There is a black wire that goes to one coil, and a > >white wire to the other coil, does it matter what lead I use?? I > >call and left a mess for Steve B. with GP. but I have not received a > >call back yet. I have a friend comming over Sat. to give me a hand, > >so it would be great if > >I could get it done this weekend. > > You have a Revmaster engine and an EIS, why are you calling Great > Plains? Joe Horvath at Revmaster is extremely helpful, but the maker > of the EIS should be the proper source of the info you need. > > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:52:23 -0500 From: "Robert Morrissey" Subject: Re: KR> spars To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c4da86$36b4ade0$0201a8c0@phoenix> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The designer during the design and structural analysis process considers the holes, both locations and diameters, and load being applied to determine the final size requirements. This is normally an iterative process to ensure a strong part that meets the design requirements. If it exceeds the design structural requirements it will be too heavy as well as too strong, and increase cost to produce. To continue the design process of the spars, the designer determines the landing gear strut load conditions. These load conditions are converted to forces (quantity and direction) that the landing gear attachment must transfer to the spar caps. The end result is a specific size and location of the landing gear strut with a defined attachment method and bolt pattern to meet the aircraft design requirements. The designer considers the bolt sizes (smaller bolts are less expensive and reduce weight), hole diameters, and locations within the spar geometry. We will ignore part commonality, reducibility and maintainability. To relocate the holes from the original pattern to a pattern that has them closer together and located in the risers will increase the loads on the spar webs, landing gear strut, and the bolts. Have a really good stress engineer evaluate what you want to do. Follow the drawings and you cannot go wrong. If you ensure hole locations and misdrill a hole slightly I doubt you will scrap the spar. I would think some have been misdrilled and are flying today after a minor repair. Bob Morrissey camrwm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glynnis Young" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:46 PM Subject: RE: KR> spars > It is not so much the strength of the WAF's that concerns me, it is > drilling all those holes in the spar (cap). Even the landing gear > mounts require holes drilled in the upper and lower spar cap ....... >> G > > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 229 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================