From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 232 Date: 12/7/2004 8:59:31 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Corvair Engines (Doug Rupert) 2. Re: Corvair cowling (Mark Langford) 3. Corvairs (Colin & Bev Rainey) 4. Re: Eureka - I found it (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 5. Re: KR1>alierons (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 6. Re: Corvair cowling molds (Mark Langford) 7. Re: KR1>alierons (RENOSADLER@aol.com) 8. KR1 tri-gear (Stephen Henderson) 9. Rod end bearing torques (Steven Phillabaum) 10. RE: Rod end bearing torques (Mark Jones) 11. CS15 (larry severson) 12. RE: Corvair cowling (Jack Cooper) 13. Re: Corvair cowling molds (Jack Cooper) 14. Re: KR1 tri-gear (joe) 15. Yahoo! Briefcase: chizmsupholstery@rogers.com's file(s) (chizmsupholstery@rogers.com) 16. Re: Corvair cowling (Joseph H. Horton) 17. gathering video (Steven Phillabaum) 18. Re: Corvair cowling (Joseph H. Horton) 19. Re: Corvair cowling molds (TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com) 20. KR2S Parts For Sale (Douglas Dorfmeier) 21. kr wings (Don Chisholm) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:53:52 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Corvair Engines To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <009201c4dc21$22e83010$2e04e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Larry's Corvair Parts, they're listed on e-bay but I'd imagine several others on the list know of other places. Mark Langford would be the best one to ask. Doug Rupert -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Derek H. Hudeck Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 5:34 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Corvair Engines Hello Everyone, I was hoping someone could tell me where to find a Corvair engine for sale. I found a few on ebay but they refuse to ship. Does anyone know of a place that ships. Thank you so much. Derek Hudeck ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:34:13 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Corvair cowling To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004301c4dc05$3e75a0e0$0202a8c0@2600xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John Lindner wrote: > Will the RR premold cowling for the KR2S fit over a corvair > conversion? Thanks. It'll probably fit pretty well, although I don't know of anybody that's done it yet. Their "Revmaster" version comes awful close to fitting the Vair, so the S cowling should do it. At the most, it would require minor modifcation, since it's actually narrower than the VW or the 0-200. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 05:59:05 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Corvairs To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005901c4dc4b$c511c2f0$2d432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Try joining the Corvaircraft list and ask them. I am sure those guys know every place to get those engines. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:30:04 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Eureka - I found it To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041207.062248.1992.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks for DELETE Key Virg On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:22:37 +0000 (GMT) Edward Seaman writes: > The KR as such is nothing much, but the concept > generally results in a stunning wee bird - it offers wonderful > potential and brings out the best in the "experimental" component > amongst us. > > Witness N19MMR, N41768, N891JF, N4DD, N902G, N1213W, > N??TP. The jury is still out on 53ML, but my guess is > that this variant will do the fleet great justice. Add > the Yeehaa of them all, old big foot (N211LF) and what > do we have - anything but a KR - we have a collection > of brilliant airplanes that have ALL been inteligently adapted to > suite a variety of tastes and desires. There are many, many more. > > In short - the KR is a concept, the resultant > airplanes are the innovative expressions of > imaginative and creative craftsmen. Sounds a bit > poetic, but it is true. > > Sadly, 90% of the aggro around a KR stems from the > need for changes. We all agree that the stock KR2 or > even 2S, built as per plan and within the weight, > would be a great day, VFR, hand start, around the > patch airplane. > > Adrian Carter (C-FAFY) demonstrated this (and some)- > he even made good use of the original RR folding legs > (and no KR nett). > > However, as evidenced by everything I have seen, the > typical KR builder wants something else (more). > > Yes - we need to lean over sometimes and we need to "experiment" > sometimes, but when one of the respected members of the group makes a > statement like: > > The only potential good result that I can see coming > from this recent set of discussions is that most of > the planes will never be finished. > > Well that essentially screws that discussion - not so? > > Not sure hoe he differentiate between the guy /gal > that runs out of cash, looses a job, someone dies, > divorce - any one of a hundred reason for quitting - > and then pegs the cause to a modified mainspar. > > This is sad. I know where the guy is coming from and > he is mostly correct in a world of litigation and in > the world of "minding my own business" - a world that > the pioneers of aviation would never understand - ask > Wilbur (or Orville). > > The other part of minding my own business is really > doing exactly that. > > If you feel safe in your ivory tower and you have no > need for help from anyone, why do you read the posts - > if not to seek an opportunity to contribute? With > great respect, I know that you shared your composite > u/c design with those that are planning a 1400lb > airplane. Not much help coz none of us have a 1400lb > main spar (like you do). Yes, you exonerated > yourself, but I call that a cop out. > > This will probably cost me dearly, but what have you > actually contributed lately - criticism does not > count. The brief bio does not for count much either. > > Even the insufferable Colin (and Beverly) Rainey tries > to contribute - poor misguided soul. Never mind, at > least he tries. > > I take my cue from LF, ML, MJ, TP, DH and the like - > they are the backbone of the KR as it stands today. > They wil hedge, duck and dive - but eventually they > will help. Actually, that is not true - only applies > to the the guy with the over-active Labrador - but he > will always be constructive if you are honest with him > (and patient) > > Some of them hold you in awe, so I followed suite. > > I want to build an airlane. I am a 500 hout PPL and > an engineer (certified, degreed - whatever) so I fully appreciate your > concerns. > > I have the money ready - even for a QB RV8/9 kit, but > that would be a bit like having haemerroids - every > other asshole has them. (Sorry Dana - I suspect that > you may stiil be around) > > The last comment from the esteemed member (with the > brief bio) really canned it for me. > > Eureka, I have found my way forward - same price, same performance, > same media, the only snag is that the support group is foreign - so no > KRnett. > > It is not a KR, but all the variants are close - > Anything from a single seat, 2 in tandem, two > side-by-side, VW /Vair /0-200 or even IO-360. No mods required, the > cabin (on the side-by-side models) is wider than a C172 and most of > them offer conventional gear, or the training gear, or folding legs. > > Plans cost a few bob more, but then they are the > creations of Claude Piel (or Giuseppe Vidor) - no mods required. > (simmilar pedigree to the SF260, Ferrari, > Masserati) > > Incidently: > > Quote: "Ken Rand and Stu Robinson where not experts in airplane > structures, but they did not need to be. They copied an existing > design and did not screw around with it" end quote. > > Wow - from a 35hp single seat to a 65hp two seater > without screwing with the design - fuck me gently > George. > > At your mercey ML - a man must do what a man must do. > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with > Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality. > Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:33:29 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> KR1>alierons To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041207.062248.1992.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Have you tried looking at the PLANS ???? Virg On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:15:59 EST RENOSADLER@aol.com writes: > I have seacherd through the archives about the length to cut your > ailerons > on a KR1; as is in > Richard Shriley's KR1 but no length mention, ive been told anywhere > from > 4.5ft. to 6' > my outboard wings are 5ft long any suggestions thanks Bill... > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:04:11 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Corvair cowling molds To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <1c1b01c4dc5d$3f1c3920$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" VairHeads, I volunteered to lend out my cowling molds a few months ago, and now that Ray Fuenzalida is done with them (I hope), they should be ready to go to the next guy. Other than Riley Collins, was there anybody else that needed them? Keep in mind that they are too big to UPS, so they have to go by truck, which can get expensive ($100-$200). If Riley needs them now, he's first, but if he's in no hurry I'd like to save him for last since he's close enough to drive them back to me. If NOBODY needs them yet, I'll let Ray hang on to them until the Gathering where he can hand them off some somebody that needs them. The Gathering is only 9 months away, you know! For more on my cowling, see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/cowling.html . Keep in mind that this thing is somewhat rough compared to an RR cowling, but it'll get you in the air. It's what Bill Clapp has on his KR (see http://www.krnet.org/mvn2004/040929412.jpg ), but then he's a body man. To join the CorvAircraft list (it's just like this one, since I run it too), send a message to CorvAircraft-join@mylist.net. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:36:03 EST From: RENOSADLER@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR1>alierons To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" yes i have, my plans are about 30yrs old but the only thing they mention is the aileron spars measures at 5' with inboard trailing edege in at 7" outboard into 5" ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:47:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Stephen Henderson Subject: KR> KR1 tri-gear To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <3982425.1102430856578.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello everyone, I have searched through the archives and could not find any information about a KR1 using tri-gear, I only found a lot of people asking questions and not getting any answers because not many people are building KR1's with this type of configuration. I called Dan Diehl at Diehl Aeronautical and he told me that the tri-gear kit that he sells for the KR2 will work on a KR1 with no problems. I am passing this information on so that it will hopefully help others out there who are trying to make a decision on what type of gear to use on their KR1. Thank you, Stephen Henderson Email: sph12@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:54:40 +0000 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: KR> Rod end bearing torques To: Message-ID: <3k70il$gvmj0l@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I know there was some talk of the subject but I can't find any thing under the heading listed in the subject. QUESTION; Is there a proper torque for the Rod end bearing set up as used in the "Dr. Dean's" method? Eye bolt and Rod end. What about the bolt/nut torque used as the axel? Steven Phillabaum Auburn, Alabama Ready to install foam in H.S. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:29:49 -0600 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> Rod end bearing torques To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC2025ED0F5@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good and tight with locking nuts. Just do not crush the wood. Same with the axle, just do not crush your spacer. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Made two hops down the runway last Sunday. Wales, WI -----Original Message----- Subject: KR> Rod end bearing torques QUESTION; Is there a proper torque for the Rod end bearing set up as used in the "Dr. Dean's" method? Eye bolt and Rod end. What about the bolt/nut torque used as the axel? Steven Phillabaum ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:15:33 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: KR> CS15 To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041207081210.02671050@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I still need a CS15 drawing for a Q2. I have received one that is clearly for the Q200, i.e. LS! canard. If someone will send me a complete set of Q2 attachment 1-6 drawings, I will convert them to accurate PDF files that anyone can print. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:25:32 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> Corvair cowling To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220041227162532309@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII John The cowling I have is a RR cowling, I think. It came with the boat when I bought it. My engine is a rear starter and the cowling is not long enough to go from prop hub to firewall. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: John Lindner > To: KRnet > Date: 12/6/2004 9:17:07 PM > Subject: KR> Corvair cowling > > Will the RR premold cowling for the KR2S fit over a corvair > conversion? Thanks. > > John Lindner > jrlindner@comcast.net > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:59:00 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> Corvair cowling molds To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-2200412271659012@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I would like to copy the cowling. I will be in Memphis after Christmas. Is Ray anywhere near there that I could pick them up and drop them off to Riley (I owe him a favor). Then perhaps I could meet Riley and get them later. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Mark Langford > To: KRnet > Date: 12/7/2004 8:04:12 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Corvair cowling molds > > VairHeads, > > I volunteered to lend out my cowling molds a few months ago, and now > that Ray Fuenzalida is done with them (I hope), they should be ready > to go to the > next guy. Other than Riley Collins, was there anybody else that > needed them? Keep in mind that they are too big to UPS, so they have > to go by truck, which can get expensive ($100-$200). If Riley needs > them now, he's first, but if he's in no hurry I'd like to save him for > last since he's close enough to drive them back to me. If NOBODY > needs them yet, I'll let Ray hang on to them until the Gathering where > he can hand them off some somebody that needs them. The Gathering is > only 9 months away, you know! For more on my cowling, see > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/cowling.html . > Keep in mind that this thing is somewhat rough compared to an RR > cowling, but it'll get you in the air. It's what Bill Clapp has on > his KR (see http://www.krnet.org/mvn2004/040929412.jpg ), but then > he's a body man. > > To join the CorvAircraft list (it's just like this one, since I run it too), > send a message to > CorvAircraft-join@mylist.net. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML at hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:02:08 -0800 From: "joe" Subject: Re: KR> KR1 tri-gear To: "Stephen Henderson" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <000901c4dc86$deff05c0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a kr1 tri-gear 4 sale at barnstormers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Henderson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 6:47 AM Subject: KR> KR1 tri-gear > Hello everyone, > > I have searched through the archives and could not find any information about a KR1 using tri-gear, I only found a lot of people asking questions and not getting any answers because not many people are building KR1's with this type of configuration. I called Dan Diehl at Diehl Aeronautical and he told me that the tri-gear kit that he sells for the KR2 will work on a KR1 with no problems. I am passing this information on so that it will hopefully help others out there who are trying to make a decision on what type of gear to use on their KR1. > > Thank you, > Stephen Henderson > Email: sph12@earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 15 From: chizmsupholstery@rogers.com Subject: KR> Yahoo! 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Horton" Subject: Re: KR> Corvair cowling To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041207.143933.3304.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:19:32 -0500 "John Lindner" writes: > Will the RR premold cowling for the KR2S fit over a corvair > conversion? Thanks. > > John Lindner > jrlindner@comcast.net John, Yes it will with no problem for size. I did not use the actual Rand cowl, but did pull a mold off it and made a carbon fiber of identical size and shape. I think the lines of the Rand cowl fit the 2S very well also. I can send you a picture if you like. Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:45:40 +0000 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: KR> gathering video To: Message-ID: <3k70ii$isd3ie@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Does anyone have info on the video of the gathering? I would like to order one but don't have Bob's contact. Steven Phillabaum Auburn, Alabama ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:44:09 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> Corvair cowling To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041207.154410.3304.2.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:25:32 -0500 "Jack Cooper" writes: > John > The cowling I have is a RR cowling, I think. It came with the boat > when I > bought it. My engine is a rear starter and the cowling is not long > enough > to go from prop hub to firewall. > > Jack Cooper > > Jack, That surprises me as I thought that my 2S cowl would be short also and made my mold 3 inches longer than the stock cowl. Then when I fit it up for finial size I cut every bit of it off back to stock. That is also with a prop hub made about 1 1/2 inches longer than WW's hub. Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:09:47 EST From: TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Corvair cowling molds To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1ec.2fa9f171.2ee7761b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Mark & others, I won't be needing the molds, as my cowling had to be about 8" longer due to the lycoming engine and prop extension. Riley Collins Rutledge, TN KR2-SS lycoming ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:37:30 -0800 From: "Douglas Dorfmeier" Subject: KR> KR2S Parts For Sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I still have the following KR2S parts for sale. Please respond to me at douglas_dorfmeier@msn.com: Rand Robinson Premolded Turtledeck $200 Diehl Tri Gear Composite Fixed Landing Gear Mains $275 Nose Gear $250 Nose Gear Wheel and Tire $30 Cleveland Hydraulic Brakes Package (includes axles, cylinders, tries and tubes) $600 Wheel fairings (3) $175 Aluminum Kit $70 Rudder Pedal Assembly $80 Flap Handle $45 Turnbuckle Kit $95 Tail Surface Hinges $100 Buyer to pay shipping. I am located in Penn Valley, California about an hour northeast of Sacramento. My phone number is 530-432-2871 Doug Dorfmeier douglas_dorfmeier@msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:45:40 -0500 (EST) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> kr wings To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041208024540.41564.qmail@web88009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I tried a different approach to building wing sets that makes doing outer wing panels fast and almost painless. my idea was to get them out of the way early in the project. I found when I built my KR1 that building the outer wing panels on the aircraft was awkward and the space needed to build full planform was hard to find here north of the 49th. If you've already installed your center spars in the boat you are already past this point. what I did is precision install my center section wing spar sets on a rectangular upright jig made from angle iron with another rectangular section added on a 90 degree plain to the first to be able to roll the jig into 4 positions in order to be able to position the assembly upright, leading edge up, bottom up or trailing edge up. Using a lazer and AS5046 templates I set my spar sets up full span and installed my ribs with complete accuracy. Using a half way rib I used polystyrene foam and hot wire shaped them to the installed airfoil .templates.I installed the center template because you get too much wire drag past 60 inches on the hot wire. Being able to turn the wing over easily made glassing the panels a snap.I left the 48 inch butt rib on to be able to maintain alignment when I install the ailerons. When I set up the jig I configured being able to accommodate the fuselage as the jig retains proper alignment of the center spar set to the outer wing panels .The spars are fastened into the fuselage retained in the jig. The outer wing panels are the worst part of the project , it's nice to have them out of the way first. Don Chisholm chizmsupholstery@rogers.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 232 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================