From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 255 Date: 12/27/2004 8:59:07 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fuel Management (joe) 2. Interested in a KR (Matt Fulks) 3. Re: Fuel Management (Dana Overall) 4. Re: Interested in a KR (Mark Jones) 5. Re: Interested in a KR (Mark Langford) 6. Re: Still looking for a kr2 or kr2s (Curt Britt Jr) 7. Re: Still looking for a kr2 or kr2s (Curt Britt Jr) 8. New interior (robert clark) 9. RE: Braved to cold today. (Stephen Jacobs) 10. RE: Fuel Management (Stephen Jacobs) 11. Re: New interior (Joseph H. Horton) 12. Re: Still looking for a kr2 or kr2s (SkyVisionSC@aol.com) 13. Re: Fuel Management/ Fluel flow test (Phillip Matheson) 14. Re: Fuel Management (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 15. Re: Fuel Management (Randy Smith ) 16. Re: Fuel Management (Randy Smith ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:56:35 -0800 From: "joe" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Management To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002601c4ebd0$71377000$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A famous person ran 1 tank dry, and then found out he couldn't change tanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Management > Subject: Fuel Management > > > Check out this article on AVWeb - Suggests to run the tanks dry so you know > where you stand - Not that I have ever done it but it seems reasonable > - What if it happens accidentally? Will it restart? > > http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182044-1.html > > > > Phillip Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > Australia > VH PKR > See our engines and kits at. > http://www.vw-engines.com/ > http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ > See my KR Construction web page at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:41:24 -0600 From: "Matt Fulks" Subject: KR> Interested in a KR To: Message-ID: <009101c4ebd6$b4444c00$776b6144@matt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, my name is Matt. I have been interested in buying a KR-2S for some time now. I have been a private pilot for almost 8 years now. I've read about everything I could find on the net and looked at all of the pictures I could find. I still have some questions though. First off, what is the average build time on this plane? It's not a major concern of mine, I'm just curious. Can it be built in a two car garage? Do I need a lot of special tools to build it? What is the average cost once it's all said and done? Plane, engine, avionics, this and that etc. I would like to build it for under $20K. I have read that people have used different airfoils on this plane. Where do you find these airfoils? Does the manufacturer sell them as an option? Basically, I like a lot of things about the KR. It appears to be a relatively low maintenance project. I know there are a lot of people that have them and love to fly them. I also like the cruise speeds I hear about. I would like to be able to do a little cross country while cruising over 150 mph. Range isn't too important. How hard are the wings to detach? I really don't want to rent a hangar. I would buy a big shed or just keep it in my garage if it were practical. My wife and I are both 6'1". I'm about 200 pounds and she's about 160. How would we fit? Finally, is this a mostly wooden airplane? Is there a lot of composite work? I've never worked with composites, but I'm certainly willing to learn. I've built more radio controlled airplanes than I can count. How does building a full size compare to an RC other than size? Also, how is this thing to fly compared to Cessna 172's? That's all I have ever really flown. I've never flown a taildragger, but I love the looks of a KR that's set up as a taildragger. If anybody has any answers or advice for me, please let me know! Thanks! Matt Fulks in OKC ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:49:16 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Management To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Phillip, I'll probably be judged a pi$$ poor pilot with my hair on fire but in the Bonanza, I routinely ran the aft tank dry. Also ran the wing tank (singular) dry on occasion. In the Bonanza excess fuel was always pumped back into the left tank so I never ran that one dry. Started everytime without hesitation..........................as a side note, I always knew where the nearest airports were when it was about to happen:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive >From: "Phillip Matheson" > >Check out this article on AVWeb - Suggests to run the tanks dry so you >know where you stand - Not that I have ever done it but it seems >reasonable - What if it happens accidentally? Will it restart? > >http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182044-1.html > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:02:40 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Interested in a KR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001101c4ec0b$fd594d20$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Matt, I read your post very carefully and you stated you have read everything you could find on the KR. I am not flaming you but I personally find that hard to believe because if you had, you would have not asked any of those questions. There are two places which will answer every question you ask. The first is the KR Net archives. Use the search engine to find answers to your questions. http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or go to www.krnet.org and you will find links to everything KR related. Like I said, I am not flaming you, it is just that all of these questions have been answered over and over. The best tool anyone can learn to use is the archive search engine. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Fulks" To: Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 11:41 PM Subject: KR> Interested in a KR > Hello, my name is Matt. I have been interested in buying a KR-2S for > some time now. I have been a private pilot for almost 8 years now. I've read about everything I could find on the net and looked at all of the pictures I could find. I still have some questions though. > > First off, what is the average build time on this plane? It's not a > major concern of mine, I'm just curious. Can it be built in a two car garage? Do I need a lot of special tools to build it? What is the average cost once it's all said and done? Plane, engine, avionics, this and that etc. I would like to build it for under $20K. > > I have read that people have used different airfoils on this plane. > Where do you find these airfoils? Does the manufacturer sell them as an option? > > Basically, I like a lot of things about the KR. It appears to be a relatively low maintenance project. I know there are a lot of people that have them and love to fly them. I also like the cruise speeds I hear about. I would like to be able to do a little cross country while cruising over 150 mph. Range isn't too important. > > How hard are the wings to detach? I really don't want to rent a > hangar. I would buy a big shed or just keep it in my garage if it were practical. > > My wife and I are both 6'1". I'm about 200 pounds and she's about > 160. How would we fit? > > Finally, is this a mostly wooden airplane? Is there a lot of > composite work? I've never worked with composites, but I'm certainly willing to learn. I've built more radio controlled airplanes than I can count. How does building a full size compare to an RC other than size? > > Also, how is this thing to fly compared to Cessna 172's? That's all I have ever really flown. I've never flown a taildragger, but I love the looks of a KR that's set up as a taildragger. If anybody has any answers or advice for me, please let me know! Thanks! > Matt Fulks in OKC > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:37:14 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Interested in a KR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <022e01c4ec10$cb9dba00$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And I think http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kopinion.html would answer most of them on one page... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:28:19 -0800 From: "Curt Britt Jr" Subject: Re: KR> Still looking for a kr2 or kr2s To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008d01c4ec17$eedc8990$6801a8c0@hmsi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, I am interested. How far along are they? Where are you located? Thanks - Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jeltema" To: Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: RE: KR> Still looking for a kr2 or kr2s > I have 2 streched to 2s project if your interested send me an e-mail > and i > will send pics and specs to partslocaters@msn.com > > >From: "Brian Kraut" > >Reply-To: KRnet > >To: "KRnet" > >Subject: RE: KR> Still looking for a kr2 or kr2s > >Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:35:03 -0500 > > > >Barnstormers at www.barnstormers.com usually has several. Keep an > >eye on Ebay also. > > > >Brian Kraut > >Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > >www.engalt.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > >Behalf Of Curt Britt Jr > >Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 10:11 AM > >To: krnet@mylist.net > >Subject: KR> Still looking for a kr2 or kr2s > > > > > >I am actively seeking a kr2 or kr2s. I will at all situations > >(either flying or a partially finished project) I can be reached > >either by e-mail > >or you can call me at (813) 486-8984. Thanks - Curt > >_______________________________________ > >Search the KRnet Archives at > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > >Search the KRnet Archives at > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > Thank You > Dave Jeltema > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:38:00 -0800 From: "Curt Britt Jr" Subject: Re: KR> Still looking for a kr2 or kr2s To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009901c4ec19$48c787b0$6801a8c0@hmsi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sherman - Hell, yea I am interested. Can you give me the original builder's name and telephone number so I may talk to him. Also, can you e-mail me pics in jpeg. Once I get those pics, I will make arrangements to come to your location. Thanks - Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: KR> Still looking for a kr2 or kr2s > Hey Curt... > I have a nice KR2 that is full IFR and VW with turbo. This A/C has > been flying but is down for one wing rebuilding. The wing was damaged > in shipping, and > got water inside of it. I have the new spars finished, and all the > foam, etc. > to build it. I just bought a new CNC machine for my business, and the > KR has > got to go. (the KR is inside my shop where the machine needs to go.) > This bird > can be flying soon! > I have all papers, receipts, etc. as well as logs. You can contact the > original builder if you need assurance of the condition. > The full IFR panel (digital ILS coupled to an ARNAV) and all the radios come > to about $10,000.00. The engine was around $5,500.00 > I need $5,000.00 for the package, and will throw in a nice trailer. > Give me a shout if you're interested. Merry Christmas!!!...Sherman > Swofford > Spartanburg, S.C. > (864)-585-3327 or (864)-949-9736 > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:19:57 -0800 (PST) From: robert clark Subject: KR> New interior To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041227141957.62164.qmail@web51410.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just got my new interior done. If you can build a kr you can build the interior. Check it out its in my photo albums. http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=220261&ck= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:43:48 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Braved to cold today. To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4ec22$80263f90$4264a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just wonder what the wind chill was behind the prop while I was doing that....... I spent six hours out in the cold with my plane today and am very close to being ready for that first flight. ++++++++++++++++++ A brave man indeed Mr. Jones. I am excited for you and looking fwd to your first flight report - this is one of three airplanes that I sort of feel that I know intimately - I have read these web sites so many times over. Don't rely on memory - make notes and check everything three times. When I was in a similar situation I had a small pad of yellow POST IT's (2"x2") - I would make a note and put one on whatever needed remembering. The next secret is a note pad and pencil next to your bed - always. You WILL wake up with something on your mind - write it down right away, then have a P and go back to sleep. Good luck. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:40:01 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Fuel Management To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4ec2a$5be28550$6c64a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Phillip, I'll probably be judged a pi$$ poor pilot with my hair on fire but in the Bonanza, I routinely ran the aft tank dry +++++++++++++++++++ After reading the AvWeb article years ago, I took to doing exactly this on my PA32. This airplane (single) has 84 gal spread over 4 tanks - so without some care a situation often arises where you have 2 hours of fuel on board, but it is spread out between 4 tanks - all showing something near to "Empty". Fuel is often not available at a destination where you expected to top up the tanks, so you have to push on to the next stop. Nothing worse than being 10 minutes from landing, knowing that you have 60+ minutes of fuel - but what you can see is 4 tanks all on E. I took to running the tip tanks dry if more than two of the tanks were under 1/4 - that way I could be confident about what was remaining, plus I knew exactly which tank to select if there was a sudden surprise. HOWEVER - this is all fine with motors that will happily windmill all day (even at approach speeds) giving the driver plenty of time to change tanks and fire up all the pumps and fiddle with things until the motor is happy with the mixture and starts making nice noises. VW (and Vairs I suspect) do not readily windmill - they will stop dead if there is a fuel interruption for more than a split second. Let the experts speak - but my humble view is to avoid any fuel interruption on a High(er) compression engine. Higher RPM means smaller a prop (less leverage) will not help matters - neither will a re-drive. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:35:43 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> New interior To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041227.113546.3740.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Just got my new interior done. If you can build a kr you can build > the interior. > Check it out its in my photo albums. > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=220261&ck= Beautiful job!! I can hardly wait to see this one in person. Just when I have myself convinced that I'm doing a good job at finishing mine up someone comes along to make me humble again. Has yours been flown?? Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:20:20 EST From: SkyVisionSC@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Still looking for a kr2 or kr2s To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <7b.3b6233bc.2f019e54@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello Curt... You seem to be pretty serious about this KR, and it is indeed a great bird at a great price. I am simply caught between the devil and the deep blue sea for space and have to make room for my new machine. There are five other serious inquiries this morning alone about the plane, and since you were really the first to inquire, I feel it proper to offer it to you first. Let me know of your decision soon so I'll know what to tell the others. Thanks...Sherman PS I'll find Mr Frohner's phone number, and call you with it. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:21:04 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Management/ Fluel flow test To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005301c4ec62$5b0c7630$c3b0dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would like to add that we should try a drain test on the ground and just see and measure how much fuel will come from the fuel out lets while sitting on the ground. or at nose high position. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:02:25 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Management To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20041227.160226.1080.0.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This would be reason #1 for why I set up my fuel system on my KR to gravity feed from the header tank only. I transfer fuel from the wings to the header so I always pull the wing tanks down until the pumps cavitate and use all the fuel out of them without ever starving the engine for fuel. In the low wing Pipers, if I run a tank dry, I watch for the fuel pressure to start dropping off. When the fuel pressure starts to fluctuate, I switch tanks without the engine ever missing a beat. -Jeff On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:40:01 +0200 "Stephen Jacobs" writes: > +++++++++++++++++++ > > After reading the AvWeb article years ago, I took to doing exactly > this > on my PA32. This airplane (single) has 84 gal spread over 4 tanks - > so > without some care a situation often arises where you have 2 hours > of > fuel on board, but it is spread out between 4 tanks - all showing > something near to "Empty". ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:40:52 -0600 From: "Randy Smith " Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Management To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001e01c4ec7e$44258300$8ac8b944@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original They are not taking about VWs. I know from past experiences that with a 54 " prop it will stop. The prop is not long enough to keep it wind milling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 10:55 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Management > Subject: Fuel Management > > > Check out this article on AVWeb - Suggests to run the tanks dry so you > know > where you stand - Not that I have ever done it but it seems reasonable - > What if it happens accidentally? Will it restart? > > http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182044-1.html > > > > Phillip Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > Australia > VH PKR > See our engines and kits at. > http://www.vw-engines.com/ > http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ > See my KR Construction web page at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:57:50 -0600 From: "Randy Smith " Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Management To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002301c4ec80$a2dda420$8ac8b944@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original That Famous person had no fuel in any tank. People run tanks dry all the time. (sometimes all tanks) In my Bellanca I run 1 hr left, 1 hr right 1 hr left(tank is dry ) Looking for airport when I switch to right tank. I run about 225 a yr and it works well for me. My KR had a 12 gal. header tank and 2 4 gal. wing tanks. It doesn't matter what plane I fly I usually what out in 3 hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 10:56 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Management >A famous person ran 1 tank dry, and then found out > he couldn't change tanks. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phillip Matheson" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:55 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Management > > >> Subject: Fuel Management >> >> >> Check out this article on AVWeb - Suggests to run the tanks dry so you > know >> where you stand - Not that I have ever done it but it seems reasonable - >> What if it happens accidentally? Will it restart? >> >> http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182044-1.html >> >> >> >> Phillip Matheson >> matheson@dodo.com.au >> Australia >> VH PKR >> See our engines and kits at. >> http://www.vw-engines.com/ >> http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ >> See my KR Construction web page at >> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 255 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================