From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 39 Date: 7/21/2004 4:49:22 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: fuel flow, (Wesley Scott) 2. Sport Pilot (Dana Overall) 3. fuel flow, (larry flesner) 4. RE: yet another AS&S debacle... (Doug Rupert) 5. Gathering (Jack Cooper) 6. Aircraft Spruce (Aircraft Spruce) 7. Re: Aircraft Spruce (Ron Eason) 8. aircraft spruce! (Boeing757mech1@aol.com) 9. Re: aircraft spruce! (David Mikesell) 10. Re: Aircraft Spruce (Mark Langford) 11. RE: aircraft spruce! (Norman Stapelberg) 12. Re: Aircraft Spruce/KR group (Boeing757mech1@aol.com) 13. Gathering info (larry flesner) 14. Re: Aircraft Spruce (Donald Reid) 15. Re: Aircraft Spruce (Donald Reid) 16. Re: Aircraft Spruce (Mark Langford) 17. Re: Aircraft Spruce & Wicks (Allen Wiesner ) 18. Re: Aircraft Spruce (Allen Wiesner ) 19. Lab chew toys- do not archive (Oscar Zuniga) 20. Advice sought on buying a KR-2 (Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)) 21. Distructive dogs (Robert L. Stone) 22. RE: Aircraft Spruce (Ron Freiberger) 23. Inspection (Barry Kruyssen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:32:02 -0500 From: "Wesley Scott" Subject: Re: KR> Re: fuel flow, To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002201c46edb$acff4440$f9ad0a04@pbrain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The stall angle of attack for the new airfoil is about 14 degrees. With 3 deg of incidence. the nose should not go above 11 deg. Since fuel flow is expected to decrease with additional nose up attitude (less head) just past the expected stall angle seems like a very good place to make sure you have full power capability. Think of the fun on short final if pulling the stick back "just a little bit too far" caused a stall that starved the engine at the same time. -- wesley scott kr2@spottedowl.biz > The other parameter that no one really commented on was the 12.5 deg > nose up attitude. That puts the rudder about 1 1/2 inches off the > ground. Is that a reasonable climb attitude to test at? > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:01:37 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: KR> Sport Pilot To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Note that one of the features of Sport Pilot, medical certification, is not as liberal as many may think. It seems during final certification, the self medical gray areas were addressed a little more clear. Sport Pilots can "self certify" medically with a U.S. drivers license. BUT, if the pilot has held or applied for a Third Class or higher medical certificate AND that certificate was denied, revoked or suspended, the self-certification rule does not apply. For instance, if I had a heart attack today and tried to renew my certificate without success, I could NOT fly as PIC in a Sport Pilot-class airplane with my drivers license as a "medical" qualification. There are still a couple more issues prevalent in the doc ralated to what is disqualifying. Under sport pilot self certification, and also 3rd. class, if one is aware of a condition which would make for an unsafe operation one must deem himself unfit for operation. One can go to 61.53 and find reference to "a condition which would preclude one from obtaining a 3rd. class medical". This sentence is still contained in the doc as a definition of de-certifying conditions. It certainly appears the mere existance of a drivers license was a sticking point with the FAA and they tightened up the determining factors from the original doc. After spending some time reading the document I am more firmly convinced the sport pilot license was an attempt to bring the ultralights under FAA control and expand the commercial building market for aircraft under 1320 gross and 120 kt. max. They made it clear though, if you have been denied a medical you cannot self certify yourself. See www.faa.gov/avr/arm/rulemaking/SportPilotRule7_19.doc Page 151: "The FAA has reconsidered the circumstances in which a current and valid U.S. driver's license should be allowed in lieu of a valid airman medical certificate and has made substantive revisions to the medical provisions in the final rule. These revisions are based on the FAA's concern that pilots whose airman medical certificates have been denied, suspended, or revoked or whose Authorization for Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate (Authorization) has been withdrawn would be allowed to operate light-sport aircraft other than gliders and balloons under the proposed rule. Therefore, possession of a current and valid U.S. driver's license alone is not enough to dispel this concern. For this reason, this final rule permits using a current and valid U.S. driver's license as evidence of medical qualification based on certain conditions. If a person has applied for an airman medical certificate, that person must have been found eligible for the issuance of at least a third-class airman medical certificate. If a person has held an airman medical certificate, that person's most recently issued airman medical certificate must not have been revoked or suspended. If a person has been granted an Authorization, that Authorization must not have been withdrawn." Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:47:35 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> fuel flow, To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040721084735.007eb7f0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I guess this begs the question of what is minimum fuel. I will have >about 2 1/2 gal at 1/4 tank indicated. Just over 1 1/2 gal when the >low fuel warning light comes on, and none when the engine quits. Or it >could be useable reserve for a half hour of flight after my destination >which may equate to some where around 4 gal. Not trying to be wise but >I don't know my actual fuel burn at full power yet. But I did want to >complete fuel flow testing while I'm set up for it. Joe Horton +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Joe, There are basicaly two answers to your question and you hinted at both. "Legal" minimum as I recall is fuel to get to your destination + 30 minute reserve or something like that. The more important thing to consider though is "when will the engine quit". Fuel in the tank is useless if it won't keep the engine running. The Tripacer is placarded for "no takeoff on right tank with less than 1/3 fuel". The way the right tank is plumbed it may not produce the fuel flow in flight modes other than straight and level to keep the engine running. A rule of thumb for fuel burn is 1/2 pound per horsepower per hour. In the case of the Corvair producing 110 hp for a go-around that would be 110/2=55/6=approx 9 gph. That is probably a bit high but 9 X 1.5 gives you a number of approx 14 gph to shoot for in the flow test. The high test number allows for the system to degrade with dirty filters, dirt in the line, etc., and not create a problem. Starting with an empty tank, pour in a known amount of fuel. Test the flow rate in each flight attitude and see how much of that known amount will actually get to the engine. That will give you your useable fuel on board numbers for each flight mode. You may find that you can keep the engine running down to the last few drops in the tank and even make an approach to land but a go-around will cause the engine to go silent. You need to know your aircraft limits beyond just what is legal. Different pilots will impose different minimums for themselves. You may set your minimums well above the legal limits. You have to go with what you're comfortable with. Pushing yourself beyond your personal limits can take the fun out of flying in a real hurry. Only once have I pushed the Tripacer beyond my comfort level when I was expecting REALLY CHEAP FUEL at the destination. The Tripe has 36 gal tanks and I took on 33.2 gallon. Needless to say, flying along keeping the feeding tank wing high and looking for possible off field landing sites is no way to finish a flight. Saving 40 cents a gallon doesn't seem like a priority at that point. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:46:37 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> yet another AS&S debacle... To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002501c46f42$4c58a8e0$323cd0d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks guys, I've now decided that IF I ever have to deal with them I will avail myself at the place to personally pick up what I need. That way I can wring some S.O.B's neck if they even start to jack me around. Was thinking of using them for much of what I needed but now will deal with Wick's or alternative sources. Doug Rupert ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:23:29 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: KR> Gathering To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <410-220047321172329906@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Just made my reservations for the gathering. Will be arriving at St Louis- Lambert at 1:30 on Sept. 23. picking up a rental car at 2:00 and driving to Mt. Vernon. Also have a double room at the Holiday Inn reserved. If anyone would like to share a ride or room, please email me off net. For those still undecided about the gathering, make a decision now and make a reservation. You won't be sorry for coming. Consider the money well invested into your KR. Jack Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Aircraft Spruce Subject: KR> Aircraft Spruce To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040721180347.23102.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jim Irwin To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:30 AM Subject: Aircraft Spruce Mark- I saw the posting to the KR group about your recent order and want to extend my apology for the mistakes make in processing the order. Apparently you called back after placing the order to delete an item and add something else, and somehow the ball was dropped between our sales rep and the warehouse, resulting in the delay in shipment. I understand that you spoke with Carolyn a couple of times today and advised her that two items were not in the order(of course the items you needed most!) and she is shipping them UPS Red prepaid for delivery to you tomorrow. I want to assure you that we value your business very much and that Aircraft Spruce is committed to l00% satisfaction and same day shipment of every order. We ship thousands of orders each week and we do meet our goals on almost all orders, but if a problem occurs, we will always resolve it as quickly as possible. Jeff Scott let us know of the problem he had in ordering Bracket air filters on-line, and we fixed that issue today. I trust that the shipment tomorrow will resolve the problems with your recent order, but let us know if there is anything that still needs to be addressed. I do hope that we have the opportunity to serve you in the future so that we can perform according to our Mission Statement and earn some positive comments to the KR group. Thanks again for your patience on this one! Regards, Jim Irwin President, Aircraft Spruce __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:15:32 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Spruce To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ae01c46f4e$b6829580$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've never had any problems in the years I've been dealing with ACS. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aircraft Spruce" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: KR> Aircraft Spruce > From: Jim Irwin > To: krnet@mylist.net > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:30 AM > Subject: Aircraft Spruce > > Mark- > > I saw the posting to the KR group about your recent > order and want to extend my apology for the mistakes > make in processing the order. Apparently you called > back after placing the order to delete an item and add something else, > and somehow the ball was dropped between our sales rep and the > warehouse, resulting in the delay in shipment. I understand that you > spoke with Carolyn a couple of times today and advised her > that two items were not in the order(of course the > items you needed most!) and she is shipping them UPS > Red prepaid for delivery to you tomorrow. > > I want to assure you that we value your business very > much and that Aircraft Spruce is committed to l00% satisfaction and > same day shipment of every order. We ship thousands of orders each > week and we do meet our goals on almost all orders, but if a problem > occurs, we will always resolve it as quickly as possible. Jeff > Scott let us know of the problem he had in ordering > Bracket air filters on-line, and we fixed that issue > today. I trust that the shipment tomorrow will resolve > the problems with your recent order, but let us know > if there is anything that still needs to be addressed. > > I do hope that we have the opportunity to serve you in > the future so that we can perform according to our > Mission Statement and earn some positive comments to > the KR group. Thanks again for your patience on this > one! > > Regards, > > Jim Irwin > President, Aircraft Spruce > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:26:21 EDT From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Subject: KR>aircraft spruce! To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <86.111e00a0.2e300f4d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 7/21/2004 11:04:31 AM US Mountain Standard Time, fun_plane@yahoo.com writes: I want to assure you that we value your business very much and that Aircraft Spruce is committed to l00% satisfaction and same day shipment of every order. I would rather pay more for shipping from Wicks than deal with the headache of AS&S. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:41:41 -0700 From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: KR>aircraft spruce! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000501c46f52$5e481440$06fea8c0@davidslaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I mostly lurk here, I do have the KR2S plans and as soon as I can finish my projects running right now I will build it. While I have had a occasional problem with AS&S thru 8 different projects, they still manage to keep me pretty darn satisfied with customer support. True people make mistakes, lets just all remember no one is perfect. David Mikesell www.skyguynca.com Acampo, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: KR>aircraft spruce! > In a message dated 7/21/2004 11:04:31 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > fun_plane@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > I want to assure you that we value your business very > much and that Aircraft Spruce is committed to l00% satisfaction and > same day shipment of every order. > > > > I would rather pay more for shipping from Wicks than deal with the headache > of AS&S. > > > > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:12:10 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Spruce To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <182801c46f56$a1b39cf0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim Irwin wrote: > Apparently you called > back after placing the order to delete an item and add something else, > and somehow the ball was dropped between our sales rep and the > warehouse, resulting in the delay in shipment. Not true. I did no such thing to mess up the flow of the order. As I said before, I ordered on Saturday, was assured that "everything is in stock, and will ship out on Monday, UPS red". At that time I was requested to reply to a "confirmation email" that would allow them to accept my order for N-number stickers, and I did that within minutes. The next time I interacted with AS&S was on Monday when I was called and informed that the SWITCHES that I'd ordered were not in stock (that's about the third time similar switches have not been in stock) and that they'd be backordered if I wanted, or dropped from the order. I told him to drop them from the order, since they were only spares anyway, and I didn't want to pay separate shipping for them. Apparently he deleted the RAC trim position sensor at the same time, accidently, but that's just my guess. Again, I did nothing to confuse the order. If AS&S had their act together, I'd have called to place the order, and it would have been delivered on Thursday as expected, plain and simple, end of discussion! Again, in the hundreds of orders I've placed with Wicks (the lion's share of my airplane), I've never had ONE thing backordered, and exactly ONE screw up in an order (and it was probably my fault), and they promptly sent me the item I wanted overnight and no charge. I find the difference between the two establishments to be absolutely mind-blowing... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:12:14 +0200 From: "Norman Stapelberg" Subject: RE: KR>aircraft spruce! To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c46f56$a2c7cc10$edec1ec4@norman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Over the years I received excellent service from AS&S, however the last shipment put me over the edge, the shipment took 6-7 weeks to arrive, the package was damaged and being ceconite I was rather upset, I called to complain about the packaging, I was reassured that they will ensure it wont happen again, asked what had happened to the other parcel as the tracking number is not recognized on the systems, I was told to wait another 2-3 weeks. Meanwhile I had purchased our local cloth to cover my plane. Norman South Africa I want to assure you that we value your business very much and that Aircraft Spruce is committed to l00% satisfaction and same day shipment of every order. I would rather pay more for shipping from Wicks than deal with the headache of AS&S. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:21:37 EDT From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Subject: KR> Re: Aircraft Spruce/KR group To: jimirwin@aircraftspruce.com, krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <129.469a8820.2e301c41@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Jim, I wouldn't expect you to remember the details of our problems but I sure do remember the headache well. I've had it since 1996 and didn't get rid of it until January 2004. It did get resolved eventually but not without another migraine. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ Dear Chris, I read your posted response to Mark Langford's complaints on his recent order, and I sure would like to know what happened that we did not resolve that created these ill feelings. You stated that many people "never get their money back" from Aircraft Spruce and that you get"ripped off on a regular basis by them." What exactly are you referring to? We have been a highly reputable company for 40 years and have NEVER ripped off any customer. If there is a problem that is not resolved, give me the details and we'll take care of it so we can all move forward. If you do not wish to use us as a supplier that is certainly your choice but calling myself and my staff "snakes" publicly is uncalled for. You have told Mark (and all other readers that he will have problems over the items "not in the box". This is not true. We shipped the items UPS RED to him yesterday and he will have them today. I look forward to your reply. Regards, Jim Irwin President, Aircraft Spruce ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:28:41 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Gathering info To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040721142841.007ed4b0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Just made my reservations for the gathering. Will be arriving at St >Louis- Lambert at 1:30 on Sept. 23. picking up a rental car at 2:00 and driving to Mt. Vernon. >Jack Cooper +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jack, I feel the same as you about attending the Gatherings. This is my 15th consecutive Gathering. I've made every one since 1990. After reading your post something crossed my mind that I thought I'd throw out to attendees flying to St.Louis. There MAY be a rail service now from the St.Louis (Lambert) airport to the Mid-Continent airport 23 miles east of St.Louis. That's the new airport tied to Scott AFB. If that's the case you could take the rail and maybe pick up a car at Mid-Continent and miss ALL of the St.Louis traffic. Mid-Continent is located right on I-64 just 50 miles from Mt.Vernon. Maybe someone in the St.Louis (hint: J.F.) would be so kind as to check it out and make a post with the info and it could be placed on the Gathering web page also. Thanks, Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:07:47 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Spruce To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040721155506.01cec520@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have to add my own comments on Aircraft Spruce. I have had minimal problems with them over a eleven year period, all but two happened shortly after they bought Alexander's Aircraft in Atlanta and turned it into A/C Spruce East. In one order of wood, they transposed a 3 and a 4 and sent me 4 pieces of spruce that were 3 feet long, instead of 3 that were 4 feet long. They made good on the mistake and I got to keep what I did not order. I ordered bendable capacitance level probes and they sent me non-bendable. The return/exchange process was painless and no cost to me. I ordered the wrong exhaust gas probes (my fault) and again, the exchange process was painless. The majority of the problems that had during the 6 months to one year period after they opened the east coast office. That was a frustrating time, because I had been dealing with Alexander's and they were perfect. The transition was rocky but they made good on all of the orders and eventually gave me a one-time discount as a way to say that they were sorry about the mess. I have been pleased with the service that I have received from Aircraft Spruce. I have no hesitation in buying more material from them. Don Reid - donreid "at" erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://www.eaa231.org/AeroFoil/index.htm KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:09:27 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Spruce To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040721160925.01cef3d8@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have to add my own comments on Aircraft Spruce. I have had minimal problems with them over a eleven year period, all but two happened shortly after they bought Alexander's Aircraft in Atlanta and turned it into A/C Spruce East. In one order of wood, they transposed a 3 and a 4 and sent me 4 pieces of spruce that were 3 feet long, instead of 3 that were 4 feet long. They made good on the mistake and I got to keep what I did not order. I ordered bendable capacitance level probes and they sent me non-bendable. The return/exchange process was painless and no cost to me. I ordered the wrong exhaust gas probes (my fault) and again, the exchange process was painless. The majority of the problems that had during the 6 months to one year period after they opened the east coast office. That was a frustrating time, because I had been dealing with Alexander's and they were perfect. The transition was rocky but they made good on all of the orders and eventually gave me a one-time discount as a way to say that they were sorry about the mess. I have been pleased with the service that I have received from Aircraft Spruce. I have no hesitation in buying more material from them. Don Reid - donreid "at" erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://www.eaa231.org/AeroFoil/index.htm KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:02:35 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Spruce To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <184d01c46f66$0fb676a0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, this is kinda funny. Almost funny enough to make me cry. Carolyn from Aircraft Spruce called and asked if I was happy with the shipment. I walked out onto the porch and saw a pile of trash near the door, the remains of the box and packing. It seems the kids' black Lab puppy had struck again! I sifted through the remains hoping that the position sensor had been spared, but eventually found the plastic wrapper that it had been wrapped in. I never found the sensor, so I suspect it was a chew toy for the morning. Carolyn was still on the phone, so she got the UPS insurance process under way for a replacement. This same dog ate a $400 chip for my car about 6 months ago, because the UPS man practically fed the package to the dog, despite a big sign admonishing "UPS, FEDEX...Please put packages on shelf, dog will EAT anything left on porch!" I guess the morning guy hadn't been indoctrinated yet, and didn't bother to read the sign or put the package on the shelf, so my sensor is toast now. I guess I deserve it for being such a whiner. Maybe I'll have better luck welding up the last of my intake manifold... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:10:39 -0400 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Spruce & Wicks To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <018601c46f67$2db22220$0000a398@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've had 3 or 4 orders placed with each company since I started in on my A/C last fall and had one mix-up with each. Wicks sent me sombody elses' order (wrong address label on package) and it took three tries to get a rod end bearing with a grease fitting from AS&S (label P/N on the package said it was the greaseable version, but no zerk fitting). Both fixed the orders. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:31:12 -0400 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Spruce To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <019201c46f6a$0c637e40$0000a398@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark: Are you SURE you're not Joe Bsfix aka "the Black Cloud" in disguise :-). Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:44:55 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Lab chew toys- do not archive To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I guess I deserve it for being such a whiner. Maybe I'll have better >luck welding up the last of my intake manifold... Hoo, boy- Mark, you're going to be going through that muscle relaxer pretty quick at this pace ;o) You'll need another prescription right quick! For my two cents' worth on the Aircraft Spruce commentary, I have had nothing but the best of service and delivery from them. On a par with Wicks, in my experience (probably 30 shipments from each, over the last 6-7 years), everything from onesey-twosey AN nuts and bolts to radios, epoxy, and so forth. A few back orders and a few partial shipments, but nothing bad and nothing that slowed me down. Now our pitbull "Squeaker", like your Lab, will chew anything left within range. Some of my airplane stuff has fallen prey to her taste for my things, too. It's one of the hazards of living with pets. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:50:29 +1200 From: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" Subject: KR> Advice sought on buying a KR-2 To: Message-ID: <3FDA426A179FB442B271B033E79F76F8092817@wg-exchange.ucol.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I'm new to this list and to KRs (but have just sold an RV-6 project I'd been working on for 10 years). I'd appreciate some advice/opinions/thoughts on a KR-2 I'm considering buying. Here's the ad: "Rand KR2 homebuilt 65 hrs Total Time Airframe and Engine 100 Kts Cruise on 2.5 GPH Ian Henry Prop VW powered, dual ignition, twin plug heads and carb heat. Narco Com 11a radio Ameriking ELT" Some photos can be seen at http://www.saa.org.nz/modules.php?name=ZClassifieds&file=detail&cat=9&de =34 I've emailed the owner a couple of times, and got a whole lot more details. I'm mostly concerned about two things: low airspeeds and high weights... He says that it cruises at 100kts (115mph) at 3000+RPM and 2.5GPH, and maximum speed is 115kts (132mph). The engine is a 1700 Type 3 VW, good for about 50hp. Secondly, he describes the empty weight as "600+lbs", and useful load as "370+"lbs. That adds up to a max gross of over 970lbs. I've spent a couple of days researching KR-2's on the Net and listening in to this list, and this just seems awfully slow and awfully heavy for a KR-2. So, my questions: 1. Is this plane particularly slow? 2. Is this plane particularly heavy? 3. If it is slow, then why? My thoughts include some combination of: 1. 50hp just ain't enough (what the vendor is suggesting) 2. The prop is too short or needs re-pitching 3. The heavy weight 4. High drag a. Wings have been lengthened by 8" b. a slightly taller-than-usual canopy to accomodate a 6'2" pilot c. No gear leg or wheel fairings d. The bottom of the cowl has some squarish mouldings on it (I guess to clear the carb) e. Improper rigging perhaps As I said, I'd appreciate thoughts/opinions/ideas from KR-2 owners -- how good or bad is this plane? Thanks in advance, Frank ____________________________________________________ Learn real skills for the real world - Apply online at http://www.ucol.ac.nz or call 0800 GO UCOL (0800 46 8265) or txt free 3388 for more information and make a good move to UCOL – Universal College of Learning. Enrol with a public institute and be certain of your future ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:58:40 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: KR> Distructive dogs To: "KR Builders Pilots" Message-ID: <40FEE710.000003.01988@YOUR-AT5QGAAC3Z> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This message for Oscar and Mark: I too have a dog that likes to chew on what ever she can get hold of. I still think that a good small dog and a large pistol is just as good and a lot cheaper than the cheapest electronic bugler proof equipment you can buy not to mention the fact that they always (the dog) bond with the family and become a friend. ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:25:12 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Aircraft Spruce To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim, Well, I remember when your mother beat around all fall and winter trying to find the strange long bolts I needed for my Cassutt, and it was really appreciated. I have had problems with AS&S and vendor "W". Both have made very professional efforts to correct deficiencies. Thanks Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:04 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Aircraft Spruce From: Jim Irwin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:47:24 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: KR> Inspection To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008301c46f7d$14589000$2700a8c0@T1W419b> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Enough of the Aircraft Spruce and Dog tales, lets talk KR2. I got my preflight inspection done last Friday. Everything passed OK. So my test pilot taxiied to the end of the strip, did the run ups and then shutdown to get out and do a walk around. When he fired it back up it ran extreamly rough (check out the video link below the engine picture on my WEB page). So back to the drawing board, so to speak. Starts cold ok and runs well, right up to tempurature and for 15+ minutes. Shutdown and wait 4 minutes and restart and it runs rough. I'm at a bit of a loss since it runs fine from a cold start. I have to leave it 2 hours before it will start and run OK. All 4 coils and 8 plugs are sparkiing. I'm changing the fuel return line setup as there is a possibility of a vapour lock. If that doen't fix it I have an tech coming on Saturday to check the electrical. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 39 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================