From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 40 Date: 4/23/2004 4:04:52 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Oshkosh 2004 (lee van dyke) 2. Shreveport, LA (kleirfall@ecomail.org) 3. Re: Shreveport, LA (Mark Jones) 4. Re: Shreveport, LA (Mark Jones) 5. Don Betchan's KR2 for sale (idrawtobuild@ncinternet.net) 6. Re: Don Betchan's KR2 for sale (idrawtobuild@ncinternet.net) 7. R.S.Hoover (Ronald Metcalf) 8. Re: R.S.Hoover (Edward Seaman) 9. Re: Don Betchan's KR2 for sale (Ross Youngblood) 10. RE: R.S.Hoover (Ron Freiberger) 11. RE: R.S.Hoover (Doug Rupert) 12. N.P.'s rear drive V W (danharris@pacific.net) 13. Re: R.S.Hoover (Veeduber@aol.com) 14. RE: Successful VW Conversion (Doug Rupert) 15. Re: Successful VW Conversion (Veeduber@aol.com) 16. Affordable reliable engines (AVM Mail) 17. Bin laden (Bob Stone) 18. LEDs (Jack Cooper) 19. Re: LEDs (Ron Eason) 20. Re: KR web page (Ron Eason) 21. RE: LEDs (Stephen Jacobs) 22. Re: I have heard great reports from everyone about steve benet - would be real sad f this is true. (Dan Heath) 23. RE: Bin laden (Murray Gill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:41:05 -0700 From: "lee van dyke" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh 2004 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001501c428ed$31284760$6601a8c0@robb> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would like to have my updatged dated KR2 there. Lee Van Dyke vandyke5.com lee@vandyke5.com N783JB > Who is considering attending Oshkosh 2004 with their KR ? > > Two KR's from Canada will be there ( again ) this year and I'm > wondering who will join us . Apparently , the EAA stat's say that 5 attended but I only counted 3 last year . > > Hope we will have better showing this year in the "Auto engine > conversion area . > > Jim , are you going ? > > Cheers > > Chris Gardiner > C-GKRZ > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:38:31 -0600 From: kleirfall@ecomail.org Subject: KR> Shreveport, LA To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <1082705911.4088c7f75ff27@www.ecomail.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is there any KR pilots or builders within a days drive from Shreveport, LA? I would like to see a KR-1 or KR-2 in person. <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< This email comes to you via EcoMail! Swim over to http://www.ecocity.com and sign up for your *FREE* account ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:04:59 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Shreveport, LA To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001b01c42922$d212f0a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I live only one days drive away (16 hours) and you are welcome to visit mine. Did you not mean to say "afew hours away"? Every KR in the US is only a few days drive away! :-) Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 2:38 AM Subject: KR> Shreveport, LA > Is there any KR pilots or builders within a days drive from > Shreveport, LA? I > would like to see a KR-1 or KR-2 in person. > > > > <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< This email > comes to you via EcoMail! Swim over to http://www.ecocity.com and sign > up for your *FREE* account > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:07:33 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Shreveport, LA To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002801c42923$2dc50fa0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry, I meant to say "Lots of KR's are a days drive away". That is if you are willing to drive a full day. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 6:04 AM Subject: Re: KR> Shreveport, LA > I live only one days drive away (16 hours) and you are welcome to > visit mine. Did you not mean to say "afew hours away"? Every KR in > the US is only a few > days drive away! :-) > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 2:38 AM > Subject: KR> Shreveport, LA > > > > Is there any KR pilots or builders within a days drive from > > Shreveport, > LA? I > > would like to see a KR-1 or KR-2 in person. > > > > > > > > <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< This > > email comes to you via EcoMail! Swim over to http://www.ecocity.com > > and sign up for your *FREE* account > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 04:37:39 -0700 From: Subject: KR> Don Betchan's KR2 for sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004e01c42927$623c5140$0f00a8c0@greg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm not happy with the idea of selling the plane. But I didn't build it and I just don't fit in the plane in comfort. This is the one with the P51 retract style system. I have to admit that it's a plane that I really wanted. But when I built my KR2 I made sure that I had enough room (width & heigth) that I was very comfortable. The canopy used is for a Dragon Fly. It sure looks very good and with the gear combnation this little bird with an 1835VW cruised at a very easy GPS speed of 142nmph. I just don't think that making any changes to the plane would be any thing that I would want to do. There's to many people out there that can fit into this plane and not change anything on the plane. That's what I want to see here. So it's for sale. I firm on the price and just want my money back. Price is $16,000 You can contact me direct. Greg Martin idrawtobuild@ncinternet.net ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 04:44:24 -0700 From: Subject: Re: KR> Don Betchan's KR2 for sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006101c42928$53c756e0$0f00a8c0@greg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I forgot to mention that I'm 5' 11" and 240 lbs. Greg Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:37 AM Subject: KR> Don Betchan's KR2 for sale > I'm not happy with the idea of selling the plane. But I didn't build > it and > I just don't fit in the plane in comfort. This is the one with the > P51 retract style system. I have to admit that it's a plane that I > really wanted. But when I built my KR2 I made sure that I had enough > room (width & > heigth) that I was very comfortable. The canopy used is for a Dragon > Fly. It sure looks very good and with the gear combnation this little > bird with an 1835VW cruised at a very easy GPS speed of 142nmph. > > I just don't think that making any changes to the plane would be any > thing that I would want to do. There's to many people out there that > can fit into > this plane and not change anything on the plane. That's what I want > to see > here. > > So it's for sale. I firm on the price and just want my money back. > Price is $16,000 > > You can contact me direct. > > Greg Martin idrawtobuild@ncinternet.net > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:12:46 -0500 From: "Ronald Metcalf" Subject: KR> R.S.Hoover To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear Mr. Hoover The issue of a weakness at the "back" of the VW makes total sense - I have seen drawings where the pulley mounting hole is drilled deeper into the crankshaft past the narrow sections /grroves etc. I figured that had solved the problem. What does not make sense is the claim that Great Plains are stating that their rear drive, damped engine has done something like 400 hours (I think it is 400) without a snag - I will go back to their web site and check. I have heard great reports from everyone about steve benet - would be real sad f this is true. R _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:27:38 +0100 (BST) From: Edward Seaman Subject: Re: KR> R.S.Hoover To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040423122738.5625.qmail@web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have heard great reports from everyone about steve > benet - would be real > sad f this is true. Hey Ronnie - I would not worry too much. I also like the GPA ream mount system - makes for a sleek cowl, turns the right way, can mount a starter (maybe an alternator??) and has some gizmo between the engine and hub that absorbs the power pulses - should also be OK for props other than wood. Better go talk to the man that makes them - at least check it out. This guy sounds very bitter and real cranky, has nothing good to say about anything or anybody - big block on his shoulder. Whilst some great guys are doing all they can (for free) to help folks on the net - this guy gets his lawyers to make sure they DON'T benefit from what he may have said - if I understood him right - hard to believe, Hope our intrepid Mark L never throws his toys away and does a duck - Mr. H, well he sure was an expert somewhere way back - now I fear he is an ex spurt - (has-been drip under pressure). Ed ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 05:39:07 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> Don Betchan's KR2 for sale To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 Greg, So, was Don taller? I'm 5' 10"... and considering the plane. -- Ross On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 04:37:39 -0700, wrote: > I'm not happy with the idea of selling the plane. But I didn't build it > and > I just don't fit in the plane in comfort. This is the one with the P51 > retract style system. I have to admit that it's a plane that I really > wanted. But when I built my KR2 I made sure that I had enough room > (width & > heigth) that I was very comfortable. The canopy used is for a Dragon > Fly. > It sure looks very good and with the gear combnation this little bird > with > an 1835VW cruised at a very easy GPS speed of 142nmph. > > I just don't think that making any changes to the plane would be any > thing > that I would want to do. There's to many people out there that can fit > into > this plane and not change anything on the plane. That's what I want to > see > here. > > So it's for sale. I firm on the price and just want my money back. > Price > is $16,000 > > You can contact me direct. > > Greg Martin idrawtobuild@ncinternet.net > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:56:13 -0400 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> R.S.Hoover To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree. Any expert that can't tell everything he knows in 25 words or less and fails to suffer fools gladly is a jerk. Vdubber surely didn't write down everything he knows for us is surely a bad guy. Also, he does not suffer fools gladly, which is very important. I wonder if you guys could start a new issue with an appropriate "subject" line. Maybe a ream mount system is a good idea. Gizmos are also useful. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Edward Seaman Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:28 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> R.S.Hoover I have heard great reports from everyone about steve > benet - would be real > sad f this is true. Hey Ronnie - I would not worry too much. I also like the GPA ream mount system - makes for a sleek cowl, turns the right way, can mount a starter (maybe an alternator??) and has some gizmo between the engine and hub that absorbs the power pulses - should also be OK for props other than wood. Better go talk to the man that makes them - at least check it out. This guy sounds very bitter and real cranky, has nothing good to say about anything or anybody - big block on his shoulder. Whilst some great guys are doing all they can (for free) to help folks on the net - this guy gets his lawyers to make sure they DON'T benefit from what he may have said - if I understood him right - hard to believe, Hope our intrepid Mark L never throws his toys away and does a duck - Mr. H, well he sure was an expert somewhere way back - now I fear he is an ex spurt - (has-been drip under pressure). Ed ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:27:24 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> R.S.Hoover To: , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000e01c42936$b87c8e80$9804e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ron and Netters: Right about now I'm wondering who your post was referring to Mr. Hoover or myself. I can only speak for myself by saying I'm not bitter just cautious with my money and my life as most people on this list are. Why else choose a wonderful design as the KR for a project. As to the VW or any other Air cooled rear engined vehicle for that matter, find one in the donor vehicle and see which way it's mounted. That should give you a clue as to crankshaft strength right there. They are already mounted backwards. Moving the said engine forward to a different position only makes sense without sacrificing any of the manufacturers intended case or crankshaft design strengths. Although there is an age gap between Mr Hoover and myself, we were both test pilots. Questioning engineers and making aircraft safer for pilots to fly was our job and therefore when Bob speaks, I tend to listen very carefully. As for myself I plan on powering my KR2S with a Corvair same as Mark's but "may" just reverse it's mounting position. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario Subject: RE: KR> R.S.Hoover I agree. Any expert that can't tell everything he knows in 25 words or less and fails to suffer fools gladly is a jerk. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:19:57 -0700 From: danharris@pacific.net Subject: KR> N.P.'s rear drive V W To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <20040423141130.M60002@pacific.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 hey guys i need a little help here. i am getting ready to order a motor mount so that i can spot the mount bolts . Has any one used the rear drive, how about the cowling? how about the weight and balance? ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:33:06 EDT From: Veeduber@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> R.S.Hoover To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <115.31b04d9f.2dba8322@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dear Doug, The only test-piloting I've ever done was in things I built myself. Perhaps you've confused me with the Real Bob Hoover (Robert A.) All Roberts get Bob'd at birth and Hoover is a fairly common name in America, which is why I sign my aviation related posts with my initials. -R.S.Hoover ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:13:37 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Successful VW Conversion To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001401c428c7$d397f250$336cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sic em Bob. This question has been flogged to death and was answered unintentionally under another thread. " You want a Corvette then build one and expect to pay accordingly" The KR was originally designed for low cost and excellent cruising speed. Now we all know in actual fact that if we stick to the plans and build it just as set forth we can achieve something close if we do not expect to duplicate Ken's published performance figures. As far as the crank goes, just turn the damn thing around and bolt up to the clutch end as has been suggested. Look at it this way, it couldn't hurt and you might find out why the engineers put the flywheel and clutch (try weighing this combination and compare it to the weight of a harmonic balancer) assembly on that end. Now before the flaming starts remember one thing, we are aiming for performance and reliability. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Veeduber@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 3:25 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Successful VW Conversion In a message dated 4/21/2004 11:23:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, askies@microlink.zm writes: > I realize that this is not a simple topic, but the words "there is no > concise answer to that" - sounds a bit like something a politician will > say. Tough darts. The fellow wanted a quick & easy, yes-no sort of answer. Reality doesn't work that way. > > No offence please sir, but we are talking about a 40 plus year old > engineering discipline. Older. If you start with the Lenoir you're back before the American civil war. Other than thermal barrier coatings I can't think of any mechanical feature found in modern-day engines that was not expounded upon by Sir Harry Ricardo. By the time he published his tome on the design of the 'high-speed' (ie, >1000 rpm) internal combustion engine in 1920 or thereabouts he'd already spent twenty years experimenting with and refining such things as stratified charge, variable valve timing and so forth. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > I am consistently amazed and impressed by the ability of home builders > to learn, adapt and innovate - it was a home builder that evolved the > first composite /canard (commercial) aircraft (Beech Starship). The > same "home builder" recently flew supersonic and looks set to be the > first non-govt entity into space. Do not sell "us" short. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The particular "home builder" you are referring to designed the Varieze around an engine that did not exist (ie, a '68hp' VW). Were you there? Do you remember the hype? Inexpensive. VW powered. No conventional control surfaces (ie, canard & rudders only). Can you honestly say ANY of those goals were met? Burt has obviously learned from his mistakes and his accomplishments are something all airmen can point to with pride. But the topic is VW engines not a fleet of scrapped Starships and any attempt to compare the two would appear to justify my remarks rather than yours. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > >From your comments, the crank failures that have occurred were > predictable (by you) --------------------------------------------------------------- Whoa! Ardem of England did a complete engineering study on the VW crankshaft more than 50 years ago when they sought certification of their license-built... whatever (Jodel? Druine? Can't remember which.) They pointed out the problems back then and it was widely reported in the magazines of that era. The limitations on power output (25hp for take-off) and the 200 TBO for the crank were considered acceptable trade-offs. That was then. So the engine grew from 1100cc (ie, their certified 4C32 model) to the present day 2332 (if you can afford it). The key fact is that the nose of the crankshaft has remained exactly the same... a little nubbin barely three-quarters of an inch long, less than an inch and a half in diameter and pierced with a threaded bore three-quarters of an inch in diameter. Are you aware the Woodruff keyway comes to within sixty thou of the metric thread in the nose of the crank? (Metric threads have a sharp point; make a nice stress riser.) The manner in which the crack initiates and propagates is well documented and anyone who has flown their share of hours behind a VW is aware of it. This is all OLD NEWS. Why do you think everyone keeps trying to come up with a better prop hub? Because the thing never fails? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------ > for the lack of some basic understanding - you say > " though those detail items have been found in winning VW engines for > more than forty years (and may be found in all modern engines as a > matter of course)". > > It would be sad if we are unwittingly doing things that could have > unpleasant consequences - whilst the solution to a better way is in fact > known (by one of us). ----------------------------------------------------------------- The numerous modification I took the trouble to promulgate are time-proven methods of improving the engines reliability, mostly by ensuring adequate lubrication and better cooling. Tear apart any modern engine and there they are. The tricky bit was retrofitting those features to an engine designed in the 19 30's. Professional builders of high output engines have been applying these mo ds since the early 1960's -- and charging accordingly. You probably can't afford to buy a full-trick racing engine but most of the reliability mods are fairly easy to accomplish... once you know how. I was simply showing folks how. Although I included drawings showing the method I use to attach the prop, that's really a different issue; the cause of the pulley-hub fractures has been known and discussed since the mid-1950's. If you want to put the prop on the pulley-hub, that's you're God given right. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > I have been in and around home built aircraft and rebuilding VW engines > since 1968. I have read and listened to everything available on these > engines - particularly since the internet came along. > > Why am I hearing about this weakness for the first time in 2004? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- - That's a real good question, Steve :-) I guess the answer depends on who you've been listening too. Or how many engines you've built. -R.S.Hoover _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:00:58 EDT From: Veeduber@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Successful VW Conversion To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <129.3ff06df2.2dba97ba@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 4/23/2004 7:46:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, drupert@sympatico.ca writes: > Sic em Bob. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You may have mistaken me for a junk-yard dog :-) Bottom line is that I like to fly; I enjoy it. Toward that end I'd like to see millions of people flying rather than the dwindling tens of thousands we're presently down to. More airmen means a bigger voice. The politicians listen -- with their hand out -- and a bigger voice is easier for them to hear. Alas, flying has become too expensive for the majority of Americans. The bean-counters that have taken over general aviation discount that simple truth by citing fallacious statistics reflecting Average Income or Household Income when the reality of economic survival is reflected by the nation's median income, presently somewhere around $28k based on adjusted Census 2000 data. That's the folks I want to get into the air. And there's about sixty-eight million of them out there. I've found they are just as eager to go flying as the fat cats and far more attuned to the realities of grass roots aviation. When you're talking powered flight one of those realities is a reliable powerplant. In that regard the best bet for the lo-buck builder is probably an industrial engine from Ford or GM but their use dictates a substantial airframe such as a Piet, the cost and size of which is often beyond the means or facilities of such builders. A smaller airframe, such as a Teenie Two or KR tends to be among the first considered by lo-buck builders and that concept is valid so long as the powerplant doesn't break the bank. Putting the prop on the clutch-end of the crank and a coaxially mounted PM dynamo on the other converts the VW engine into a reasonably reliable powerplant at minimum cost. Best of all, the required skill-level for such a conversion is low. Nothing promotes progress so well as success. Based on my mail, about half of which comes from other countries, the simple, inexpensive yet reliable method of conversion I've been advocating since the 1970's offers a higher probability of successful flight for the newbie. Not high-speed flight nor long-range flight but simply hauling their ass into the air at a price they can afford. Seems like a good idea to me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The KR was originally designed for low cost > and excellent cruising speed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll go with the low cost but the open cockpit on Kenny's Original Receipe is fair evidence speed was not a major consideration. (Yeah, I noticed the retractable gear and the canopy :-) The KR is fairly clean right out of the box. The wide speed range (ie, cruz vs stall) is simply the dividend of a light, aerodynamically efficient airframe. Fact is, if you clean up a Teenie Two -- or any of the other lo-buck one-holes (S-22, Windwagen, etc.) -- you'll see a nice improvement in your cruise speed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- Now before the flaming starts remember one > > thing, we are aiming for performance and reliability. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Not me. Maybe forty years ago. Now I'm more interested in getting there than in how fast I do so. Reliability. Durability. AFFORDABILITY. Then maybe performance. I like dull engines. No excitement at all :-) -R.S.Hoover ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:30:51 -0400 From: "AVM Mail" Subject: KR> Affordable reliable engines To: "KRnet" , Message-ID: <00eb01c42950$585f9c80$90554f44@robbinsavm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In all the discussion of late, it is obvious that frustration exists. The properties of affordable and reliable for the most part do not exist in the same proportion at the same time. If it did, the engineers among us would design a simple addapter to utilize the strongest end of the cheapest engine and make suffient quantities to sell to those of us without resources to purchase that designed and tested guarenteed reliable engine. It just doesn't exist. The attempts at making the VW stronger, or using the other end of the engine is just too expensive. If I could afford between 5 and 10K for an engine, I would buy a runout certified engine and refresh it. I'm spending around 2.5K to put together a VW. Thats all I can afford. If you can afford a new cessna, RV or other, you have deep pockets as compared to mine. Why do the boat people risk crossing 90 miles in a craft with a 90% chance of failure? The answer is simple, it's worth the risk. Some risks we are willing to take, some we are not. A good example of what I am talking about is the design and plans for the AS wing, it is better and it is free. on the opposite end is the design and the plans for the wing fold, it is not free. Those with the expertise should design a rear drive using off the shelf parts and then put the plans on the net. If for no other reason, then to just help make things safer for those of us that are taking risks. Orma ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:15:14 -0500 From: "Bob Stone" Subject: KR> Bin laden To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <000801c42956$8b1d5c60$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, I have been seeing many posts about the capture of Osama Bin Laden and just checked CNN and MSN and there is no mention of this on either of these two news media. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:16:30 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: KR> LEDs To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" , "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <410-220044523181630328@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Just found a website for panel mount LEDs if anyone is interested. http://www.ledtronics.com/datasheets/panel_picture_index/panel_index.htm Jack Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:50:21 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> LEDs To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <006601c42963$d4e89550$6501a8c0@Administration> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks, Jack I have specified this resource for a year now for our industrial controls. They are a good source. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Cooper" To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" ; "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: KR> LEDs > Just found a website for panel mount LEDs if anyone is interested. > > http://www.ledtronics.com/datasheets/panel_picture_index/panel_index.htm > > > Jack Cooper > kr2cooper@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:24:06 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> KR web page To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00a101c42968$8bc13850$6501a8c0@Administration> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Mark its a real nice plane. Ron ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:36:29 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> LEDs To: "'Ron Eason'" , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4296a$49c02d60$7464a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Maybe old news over there - but just in case you missed it http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm http://www.creativair.com/ http://www.controlvision.com/ Steve J Zambia ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:29:00 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Re: I have heard great reports from everyone about steve benet - would be real sad f this is true. To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40897C8C.000001.01592@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Real sad if what is true? There a bizillian GPASC Top Bugs flying off that weak end and doing fine. Sure it would be better to put it the other way around, and you can. For some reason, it seems to cost more and most of us don't want to pay that price. Steve Bennett has been making a great engine for many years and has been a supporter of KR Builders, myself included. I know that what Mr. Hoover is saying is absolutely true and I am not implying anything other than that, but that does not mean that it is time to throw away all our engines and start over. This is not a NEW thing, we just have not been using them mounted that way. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC KR_Dan@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:02:51 +1000 From: "Murray Gill" Subject: RE: KR> Bin laden To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000301c42987$1a90fd90$2202a8c0@ABT2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If your post is KR related are you suggesting he may have eluded the good guys by escaping in a KR? :-) > I have been seeing many posts about the capture of Osama Bin > Laden and just checked CNN and MSN and there is no mention of > this on either of these two news media. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 40 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================