From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 43 Date: 4/25/2004 9:00:37 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Just a little ditty.... (Doug Rupert) 2. RE: Bob Hoover (Veeduber) (Doug Rupert) 3. Re: Bob Hoover (Veeduber) (Bob Stone) 4. Pucker Factor (Ronald Metcalf) 5. Bonding Foam (Mark Jones) 6. Re: Deck heighth for 1835 (Mark Langford) 7. Re: Shreveport, LA (Brian G. Douglas) 8. Re: Rev Flow Carb (John Bouyea) 9. Re: Deck heighth for 1835 (Ryan) 10. Re: Bonding Foam (Ron Eason) 11. Re: Bonding Foam (Mark Jones) 12. Bonding aluminum (Colin & Bev Rainey) 13. Re: Colin's Inspection (Mark Jones) 14. Back in the game! (Brian Kraut) 15. Re: Bonding Foam (Ray Fuenzalida) 16. 40.2 hours :-) :-) (larry flesner) 17. KR 2 for sale (Stephen and Janet Henderson) 18. wing attach fittings (Brian Kraut) 19. parts for sale (Brian Kraut) 20. RE: KR 2 for sale (Kevin Angus) 21. RE: Bob Hoover (Veeduber) (Doug Rupert) 22. RE: Pucker Factor (Doug Rupert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:21:37 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Just a little ditty.... To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <004701c42ac8$423ebc50$2f6cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good on ya mate, as our Aussie brothers would say. While on a recent trip to Florida I looked at what they are calling airport condo's at Punta Gorda Florida. Now all I have to do is get wifey-poo talked into living in a hangar for the rest of her days. Good luck with the inspection. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 9:38 PM To: KR Net Subject: KR> Just a little ditty.... Talk about motivation: I have contacted the local FSDO a week ago and have ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:21:37 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Bob Hoover (Veeduber) To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <004c01c42ac8$465ea4d0$2f6cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you Oscar. When I posted my recent rant, I myself had the two mixed up but both VDubber and Mark straightened me out on that point. Personally having met the "Bob" Hoover (of aerobatic variety) though I can tell you beyond a shadow of doubt that as dapper as he might dress and appear in public, the junkyard dog moniker fits like a glove. When I first saw VDubber's replies to some of the more inflammatory postings my first impression was that the one I know must be getting senile. Being a former test pilot myself I tend to zip my lip and pay attention to those with expertise on the subject as it has a habit of leading to longevity of life not to mention keeping hard earned money in my wallet to spend on important things like fuel to go play and enjoy our sport. This is not to start a flame war (I'm always prepared as I usually were Nomex when reading replies to my posts) but Netters should remember one very important fact. The KR as Ken originally designed it was a single seater, stripped to the bare bones and did not place undue stresses on the lowly VW engine that he used at the time. Many here, myself included have made our own changes to the airframe, wings, gear, etc, all of which have increased both the empty weight and gross weight of the design. Each of these have introduced increasing demands upon the engine as well as aerodynamic forces that could not have been foreseen by Ken. We are working in uncharted territory and must be willing to learn from real life experiences of others. Over the years I have had engineers tell me that everything was hunky dory and the aircraft they designed would fly like a baby carriage. Problem arises when you take to the air where everything is an unknown and the rule book goes out the window and it is your arse on the line not the designer. Theories are great but that does not make them fact. I would ask all Netters to remember the feeling they had the first time they flew an aircraft type that was new to them. That gentlemen and lady is known as pucker factor. I have flown production aircraft that would kill you in a heartbeat if you didn't have 100% concentration at all times. The Cessna light twin (310 or 410?) comes immediately to mind. Listen and learn, the life you save may be your own. Doug Rupert ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 08:42:02 -0500 From: "Bob Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Bob Hoover (Veeduber) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000d01c42acb$17a60360$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug, I don't know why anyone would want to "flame" you over your remarks. It's people like you with your vast experence with these flying machines we all love that give this KRNet the sterling worth and value it has to people like me who have very limited experence. I am now 75 and grounded. I didn't even learn to fly until I became a friend of the late Ken Rand when I was about 45 and had just retired from the USAF where I was in Aircraft maintenance for 22 years. It was impossible to be around a guy like Ken and not develope an interest in flying. So I built both the KR-1 and the KR-2 from 1971 to 1977. My KR-2 won first prize at the EAA fly-in and air show, Chino Airport, Chino, California, in 1977. You are right about him doing everything he could to keep it light. He used to call any airplane he thought was over built and too heavy a "lead sled" Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rupert" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: RE: KR> Bob Hoover (Veeduber) > Thank you Oscar. When I posted my recent rant, I myself had the two > mixed up > but both VDubber and Mark straightened me out on that point. > Personally having met the "Bob" Hoover (of aerobatic variety) though I > can tell you beyond a shadow of doubt that as dapper as he might dress > and appear in public, the junkyard dog moniker fits like a glove. When > I first saw VDubber's replies to some of the more inflammatory > postings my first impression was that the one I know must be getting > senile. Being a former test pilot myself I tend to zip my lip and pay > attention to those with expertise on the subject as it has a habit of > leading to longevity of life not to mention keeping hard earned money > in my wallet to spend on important > things like fuel to go play and enjoy our sport. This is not to start > a flame war (I'm always prepared as I usually were Nomex when reading replies > to my posts) but Netters should remember one very important fact. The > KR as Ken originally designed it was a single seater, stripped to the > bare bones and did not place undue stresses on the lowly VW engine > that he used at the time. Many here, myself included have made our own > changes to the airframe, wings, gear, etc, all of which have increased both > the empty weight and gross weight of the design. Each of these have > introduced increasing demands upon the engine as well as aerodynamic forces > that could not have been foreseen by Ken. We are working in uncharted > territory and must be willing to learn from real life experiences of others. > Over the years I have had engineers tell me that everything was hunky > dory and the aircraft they designed would fly like a baby carriage. > Problem arises when you take to the air where everything is an unknown > and the rule > book goes out the window and it is your arse on the line not the > designer. Theories are great but that does not make them fact. I would > ask all Netters > to remember the feeling they had the first time they flew an aircraft > type that was new to them. That gentlemen and lady is known as pucker > factor. I have flown production aircraft that would kill you in a > heartbeat if you didn't have 100% concentration at all times. The > Cessna light twin (310 or > 410?) comes immediately to mind. Listen and learn, the life you save may be > your own. > Doug Rupert > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:50:27 -0500 From: "Ronald Metcalf" Subject: KR> Pucker Factor To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have flown production aircraft that would kill you in a heartbeat if you didn't have 100% concentration at all times. The Cessna light twin (310 or 410?) comes immediately to mind. Doug Rupert What on earth are you talking about Doug? Two birds with very good manners - even the little twin Commanche is more frisky. _________________________________________________________________ Test your ‘Travel Quotient’ and get the chance to win your dream trip! http://travel.msn.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:55:40 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Bonding Foam To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <002001c42ad5$612c2460$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I need to bond some foam to aluminum. If any of you have experience bonding urethane foam to aluminum, please tell me your method used. I tried using two-part foam as a bonding agent and I did not like the results. Thanks in advance. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:55:56 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Deck heighth for 1835 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008901c42ad5$69f8cc10$2402a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Adrian Carter wrote: >If you wrote something elsewhere > they why would you say that you "can't measure it anyway"? The subject was "deck height", and you can't measure deck height with the cylinder head INSTALLED (OK, I won't say impossible, but it ain't easy), nor from a cylinder head (alone) sitting on a bench. I didn't think I would need to explain all the details to somebody who knew enough to ask a question about minimum deck height. >We are not mind readers, if a reference is made elsewhere then why was >not a > reference or pointer to it? I DID give the link. From that post: "I did a web page on how to check it at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/trial_assy.html , but you'll also need to know the combustion chamber volume to calculate compression ratio, and that was shown at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/valvejob.html". Sorry but I haven't figured out a way to FORCE those who read my messages to actually comprehend what I'm saying, or to visit the provided links for more information. I don't know what else I could have done to get the message across. As my wife is fond of saying, "no good deed goes unpunished". > And, I like the internet but don't get on this group because of the > the ready flame or jumping on another if a disagreement or opinion is > different. If you go back and read my message, and then your messages, it should be obvious (to most folks) who did the explaining, and who did the flaming. I'll make a deal with you Adrain. From now on, you answer the engine questions, and I'll build an airplane... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:07:35 -0500 From: "Brian G. Douglas" Subject: Re: KR> Shreveport, LA To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000f01c42ad7$1063d5d0$4dd31840@youryk5cbmeeo8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I Live in Killeen Texas and have a kr 2 that was a taildrager and am now in the process of converting. Killeen is between Waco and Austin and home of fort hood give me an e-mail or call Brian. Douglas 254-634-7934 bgdfix@vvm.com N8575C ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 2:38 AM Subject: KR> Shreveport, LA > Is there any KR pilots or builders within a days drive from > Shreveport, LA? I > would like to see a KR-1 or KR-2 in person. > > > > <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< This email > comes to you via EcoMail! Swim over to http://www.ecocity.com and sign > up for your *FREE* account > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 08:32:21 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: Re: KR> Rev Flow Carb To: "KRNet" Message-ID: <000001c42ada$81008ab0$a800a8c0@dell4600> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ken, I have a RevMaster 2100D with the RevFlow injector/ carb. Mine runs great warm or cold. All my fuel lines and fittings are 3/8 inch and standard gravity feed from the header tank. I turn the tank fuel valve off to kill the engine. Here's what I do to start; Mixture off, throttle closed, tank fuel valve on, drain gascolator. Mixture full rich, throttle cracked open 1 / 4, wait 3 seconds, and hit the starter. Usually after 3 blades, it fires. I immediately set the throttle for 1000 rpm and lean for best warm-up idle while watching the oil pressure build. I've watched the fuel flow at my carb. It takes about 3 seconds from when I push the mixture to full rich before the fuel to start to flow. Rather than run the starter for this duration with a "dry carb" I just wait 3 seconds. Good luck, I hope this helps. John Bouyea KR2 - hanging the engine accessories KR2S - boat hanging from the rafters john_0310@bouyea.net www.bouyea.net ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 08:41:54 -0700 From: "Ryan" Subject: Re: KR> Deck heighth for 1835 To: Message-ID: <002001c42adb$d67039e0$6401a8c0@san.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark. Your website with all of the photos (a picture is worth a thousand words) have helped me with my engine. Group, The original question had nothing to do with compression ratio or head volume and I thank all that answered my post. Ryan EAA Chapter 14 San Diego, CA. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:05:09 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Bonding Foam To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003c01c42af8$3acf80f0$6701a8c0@JRLENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wash the aluminum with a solvent grease remover. Sand emery cloth [fine]or use a S.S. wire brush on surface to remove the aluminum oxide.. Wash with solvent again. Use Aeropoxy structural adhesive. This will bond anything to aluminum. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: KR> Bonding Foam > I need to bond some foam to aluminum. If any of you have experience bonding urethane foam to aluminum, please tell me your method used. I tried using two-part foam as a bonding agent and I did not like the results. Thanks in advance. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:03:20 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Bonding Foam To: "Ron Eason" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <003601c42aef$98091960$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Ron, that is exactly what I am preparing to do. I felt that was the best way but I guess I just wanted some assurance frome the group. You are the only response and I appreciate it. Maybe everyone thought I asked a dumb question since I have six years building experience behind me. And yes, for those who are wondering, I did search the archives and other sources. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:05 PM Subject: Re: KR> Bonding Foam > Wash the aluminum with a solvent grease remover. > Sand emery cloth [fine]or use a S.S. wire brush on surface to remove > the aluminum oxide.. Wash with solvent again. > Use Aeropoxy structural adhesive. > This will bond anything to aluminum. > > KRron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR Net" > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 9:55 AM > Subject: KR> Bonding Foam > > > > I need to bond some foam to aluminum. If any of you have experience > bonding urethane foam to aluminum, please tell me your method used. I tried > using two-part foam as a bonding agent and I did not like the results. > Thanks in advance. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:14:56 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Bonding aluminum To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006a01c42af1$36bbaa90$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark I was going to respond, but could only offer how I had bonded the foam to the angle aluminum core of my canopy handle. It is not the best way, but it worked. I hot glued the foam to the angle aluminum as is, then sanded the foam to shape, and then glassed over with one layer on each side of fiberglass tape cut to shape and tied the 2 sides together with 3 layers of deck cloth. All it needs now is proper finishing when I repaint the whole plane next fall. Just as a side note, I am calling the inspector Monday to set up the inspection, cross your fingers...... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:22:35 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Colin's Inspection To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004f01c42afa$aa34e3c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" > Just as a side note, I am calling the inspector Monday to set up > the inspection, cross your fingers...... That is great news Colin. Best of luck to ya. Hope you will be flying to the gathering. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:32:33 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> Back in the game! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just picked up a 2S in boat stage yesterday and got it in the garage. I will put pictures on my web site as soon as I get a chance. I may sell the Diehl outboard and center section wing skins. They are new and still in the crates. I couldn't really afford the KR and selling the skins will help offset the cost. I have not made up my mind yet, so if I sell them now it will be for the Diehl cost minus some of his normal crating charge. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:14:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: Re: KR> Bonding Foam To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040426001435.2058.qmail@web42002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In my case (and probably most others), if I have no idea as to the answer, I don't offer one. I'm glad you got one. One day I hope to be as experienced as some of these other guys. Ray --- Mark Jones wrote: > Thanks Ron, that is exactly what I am preparing to > do. I felt that was the > best way but I guess I just wanted some assurance > frome the group. You are > the only response and I appreciate it. Maybe > everyone thought I asked a dumb > question since I have six years building experience > behind me. And yes, for > those who are wondering, I did search the archives > and other sources. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Eason" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Bonding Foam > > > > Wash the aluminum with a solvent grease remover. > > Sand emery cloth [fine]or use a S.S. wire brush on > surface to remove the > > aluminum oxide.. > > Wash with solvent again. > > Use Aeropoxy structural adhesive. > > This will bond anything to aluminum. > > > > KRron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Jones" > > To: "KR Net" > > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 9:55 AM > > Subject: KR> Bonding Foam > > > > > > > I need to bond some foam to aluminum. If any of > you have experience > > bonding urethane foam to aluminum, please tell me > your method used. I > tried > > using two-part foam as a bonding agent and I did > not like the results. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > > Wales, WI USA > > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:27:25 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> 40.2 hours :-) :-) To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040425192725.007d1100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Netters, I spent a full day playing in the KR. I flew formation most of the day with a flying buddy in his Acro Sport II. The nice thing flying with him is that my fuel burn is down around 3 gph. He cruises at 2350 and I fly formation at about 1800 rpm. I finished off the day in a "dog fight" with a Q-200. Some of you have seen the Q-200 in the race to Oshkosh. He is race # 22. His 0-200 puts out 130 hp so he is about 30 mph faster than me. You may have also read about him making a coast-to-coast flight in less than 24 hours about two years back. It was written up in Kit Planes. After a close formation (less than 50 feet separation) flight to check speeds he did a peel off and I went after him. He made two 90 degree turns to shake me but even though he was faster , I could turn inside him. We ended up in a tight circle with him slightly above me and trying to come around on my tale. I was down to 80 indicated at one point and probably a 45 to 60 degree bank but still staying inside him. After six turns or so we broke it off and he escorted me back to my home base. What a great way and great company to hit the 40 hour mark on my KR. I shut down with my hour meter reading 40.2 !!! Come on guys, get to building. There's fun to be had !!!! Larry Flesner P.S. I wish I had a standard KR2 narrowed down to a single place with a hopped up Corvair cranking out about 120 hp. I bet I could dust him good! :-) ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:48:59 -0400 From: "Stephen and Janet Henderson" Subject: KR> KR 2 for sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002f01c42b28$44fe4fe0$0f02a8c0@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello everyone, There is a KR 2 for sale on ebay. It needs a little work. The current bidding is up to $2,025. Steve Henderson ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:58:21 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> wing attach fittings To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Since it seems that Rand is out of wing attach fittings I am going to have the shop we use at work give me a price on having some sets made. They will be either punched out on a CNC turret punch or cut on a water jet. I would probably have them cadmium plated also. If anyone would want to buy some please let me know at brian.kraut@engalt.com. Send an email to me, not the whole list. I don't have the price yet, but it should be somewhere near Rand's price or a little less. I am not looking for firm commitments now, just a rough idea on who may want to buy them in the next six months so I can see how much they will cost and if it is worth the effort. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 22:14:02 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> parts for sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The project I just bought has the RR tail wheel and two (don't ask me why) tail wheel springs that I am not going to use. Rand lists the spring at $25 and the tail wheel at $65. I will sell the springs for $20 each and the tail wheel for $55 and ship it FedEx ground for free. I will split the parts up. I also have the old used one I took off my last KR that I will sell for $20. I am also fairly sure that I want to sell the Diehl wing skins and stub skins. I need the money to complete the plane more than I need the time it will save me over building the wings. I will consider full or partial trades for some of the other items I need like an engine, engine mount, instruments, avionics, or wheels and brakes. I would also like to sell my Diehl gear legs and the axle attach fittings. The legs are glassed and have the straw for the brake line. They are not drilled for the attach fittings yet. I am going to either mold or buy longer legs. I would consider selling the gear attach fittings also, but they are drilled for my spar already and I would need to buy new ones and drill them so don't expect a great deal on them. Email me direct at brian.kraut@engalt.com if interrested. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:34:39 -0600 From: "Kevin Angus" Subject: RE: KR> KR 2 for sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Bet it goes for around $6,500 - It's at $3,550.00 now (2030 MST, Sunday) with 4 days and 18 hours left http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63677&item =2475624695&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Stephen and Janet Henderson Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 6:49 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> KR 2 for sale Hello everyone, There is a KR 2 for sale on ebay. It needs a little work. The current bidding is up to $2,025. Steve Henderson _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:07:53 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Bob Hoover (Veeduber) To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <004901c42b3b$ab9f38a0$af04e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Bob. Finally got some of the parts to the KR2S project home today and am still sorting thru things and storing everything safely away until needed. Have to pick up the boat and another load of parts next week, then building can start in earnest. Converting to single seat and power is still up in the air so to speak until I can get out on a scrounging tour. Found an aircraft boneyard hidden away in the back of a farm so will start there. If I draw a blank there it's off to the auto yard VW, Corvair or Mazda. Will have to do some extra strengthening of the firewall area if Mazda is chosen. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:07:53 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Pucker Factor To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <004a01c42b3b$ad406580$af04e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Used to get one of these when the Corporate bird was in the shop and I personally found it skittish in certain weather or crosswind landing situations. I have to explain here that most of my instrument time is in heavy twins and you couldn't budge these with a stick of dynamite. I found the 182 and Skymaster were the Cessna's I liked the best. Doug -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Ronald Metcalf Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 10:50 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Pucker Factor What on earth are you talking about Doug? ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 43 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================