From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 45 Date: 4/26/2004 5:49:52 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. delaminations! (larry flesner) 2. Re short field over obstructions (ken) (j stevens) 3. delaminations! (Larry A Capps) 4. Re: Re short field over obstructions (ken) (DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com) 5. Re: Hard Shelling (Dan Heath) 6. RE: delaminations! (Stephen Jacobs) 7. microair & antennae (Dene Collett (SA)) 8. Weapons Release News (Scott Cable) 9. Radio Antena (Bob Stone) 10. Re: Radio Antena (JEHayward@aol.com) 11. RE: Successful VW Conversion (Murray Gill) 12. Re: @SPAM+++++++++ RE: KR> KR 2 for sale (gleone) 13. Re: Weapons Release News (Wayne Israelsen) 14. RE: Successful VW Conversion (larry severson) 15. Re: Weapons Release News (Ron Eason) 16. Re: Radio Antena (Bob Stone) 17. RE: fillers (Brian Kraut) 18. RE: fillers (Dan Heath) 19. RE: delaminations! (Brian Kraut) 20. RE: Radio Antena (Brian Kraut) 21. Re: Are the "sermons' still around anywhere?? (Ross Youngblood) 22. Re: Radio Antena (Ross Youngblood) 23. RE: fillers (Brian Kraut) 24. 2S plans (Brian Kraut) 25. Re: fillers (Ron Eason) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:41:50 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> delaminations! To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040426134150.007e6100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >The term Hard-Shelling (circa 1980) - is the practice of covering foam >with micro slurry, letting it cure, sanding it and then applying a >fiberglass layup over the top. (not recommended) (Larry Capps) >..++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.......... >In this particular case I would have thought that the adhesion of the >subsequent cloth /resin to the layer of cured micro, however low, would >be substantially better that then mechanic strength of the core >material. i.e. - no matter how it was done, the bond (and shallow >penetration zone) between micro and foam would always be the weakest >link. Steve J +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve, That's EXACTLY what I was thinking and should have said. Thank you. I would however like to hear the reasoning of those that thought "hard-shelling" was an unacceptable process. Some of my glass work is 10+ years old now and has 40 hours in the air with no noticable problems. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:27:12 -0500 From: j stevens Subject: KR> Re short field over obstructions (ken) To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <408D6290.5030907@usfamily.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Joel, What is your stall speed and what is your approach speeds (final, short final, touch down)? Is your plane a KR-2 and what is your empty weight? Ken Jones N5834 (taxiing) Ken: my unofficial stall speed is @55 MPH (thats as slow as I have tested it). On final approach I like to keep it a little hot at 75-80 MPH short final I bleed it to about 60 and in ground effect I have seen 50 mph. I am not sure what touch down speed I don't like to take my eyes off the attitude and runway edges. My bird is a KR2s tail dragger and empty weight is 674 lbs. Hope this helps Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "j stevens" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 11:59 PM Subject: KR> short field over obstructions >> latest experiences in landing: > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:38:12 -0500 From: "Larry A Capps" Subject: KR> delaminations! To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000b01c42bc6$03bbba10$0500a8c0@schpankme> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Note - Burt Rutan has disproved hard-shelling for years, and does not recommend it. Note - Nat Puffer recommends against hardshelling on his Cozy designs. Example of problems from Hard-Shelling: From: michael.pollock@mci.com Subject: Loud Pop??? I am in a group of 4 people who built this Velocity and I hold the repairman cert. We followed the plans exactly except for the hardshelling of the canard. We thought that since the recommendation came from another builder, which showed up in the newsletter, it was an acceptable method. I guess one should only stick to the plans and do ONLY what is spelled out in the plans. The problem we have experienced is localized in only one area that is already repaired, but it could happen to others who have done what we have done. I WILL NOT be doing any hard-shelling and will recommend against it. - Michael Pollock - Flying Velocity N173DT Larry A Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- The term Hard-Shelling (circa 1980) - is the practice of covering foam with micro slurry, letting it cure, sanding it and then applying a fiberglass layup over the top. (not recommended) - Larry Capps +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I would however like to hear the reasoning of those that thought "hard-shelling" was an unacceptable process. Some of my glass work is 10+ years old now and has 40 hours in the air with no noticable problems. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:13:32 -0500 From: DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com Subject: Re: KR> Re short field over obstructions (ken) To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joel, Do you have the RAF airfoil on it? j stevens Sent by: To: krnet@mylist.net krnet-bounces+dpurduski=caldwellmfgco.com cc: @mylist.net Subject: KR> Re short field over obstructions (ken) 04/26/2004 02:27 PM Please respond to KRnet Joel, What is your stall speed and what is your approach speeds (final, short final, touch down)? Is your plane a KR-2 and what is your empty weight? Ken Jones N5834 (taxiing) Ken: my unofficial stall speed is @55 MPH (thats as slow as I have tested it). On final approach I like to keep it a little hot at 75-80 MPH short final I bleed it to about 60 and in ground effect I have seen 50 mph. I am not sure what touch down speed I don't like to take my eyes off the attitude and runway edges. My bird is a KR2s tail dragger and empty weight is 674 lbs. Hope this helps Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "j stevens" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 11:59 PM Subject: KR> short field over obstructions >> latest experiences in landing: > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:46:24 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Re: Hard Shelling To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <408D7520.000008.02164@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The term Hard-Shelling (circa 1980) - is the practice of covering foam with micro slurry, letting it cure, sanding it and then applying a fiberglass layup over the top. (not recommended) I know that someone on the net recommended this, but I would not do it, because there are too many steps to accomplish the same thing. Put on the slurry, just enough to close the foam cells and lay on your glass. It is very simple and does not need to be more complicated than that. There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC KR_Dan@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:43:05 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> delaminations! To: , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c42bd7$7d3513d0$c464a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rutan has disproved hard-shelling Puffer recommends against hard-shelling .......................................................... Thanks Larry C When you quote these guys you have my full attention. Like Larry F, I would really like to understand what actually happens - why this is any different from any other 2nd lay-up. We may be missing something here - what is actually causing the problem? Where does the delaminations occur? Do we find the cloth separating from the micro surface, or do we find the micro coming away from the foam? Not sure this makes a whole lot of sense, but maybe the action of sanding the "hardshell" micro somehow disturbs the bond with the core material and this promotes later delamination (at this level). I.e - the separation occurs at the core material, but this failure is in some way caused by the two step process. Cheers Steve J Zambia ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:02:13 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" Subject: KR> microair & antennae To: "krnet" Message-ID: <005201c42bda$5c5118a0$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi guys I saw mention of a microair radio in a message that was accidentally deleted . To the person that has this radio, would you recommend it ? I have one on order although I have never seen one before. I ordered it because of its ability to mount in a standard instrument hole and it seems to have good features.Will I be dissapointed? I decide that after seeing Mark L's antennae install that I also wanted the same. Because I couldn't find copper tape I had to come up with something else. My answer was to strip the shield from a length of co-ax cable, bunch it up to make the hole bigger then isert a 1/4" dowel into it. Stretch the shield tight over the dowel, coat with resin and you have a perfect ridgid antennae that will slide up the hole in the fin that I had to bore since my fin was built many moons ago. One end is twisted together for the feeder to solder to and the other end is trimmed for correct s.w.r. Two of these and my dipole is in business! Thanks Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:29:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: KR> Weapons Release News To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040426222959.25444.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Netters, I know it isn't Friday, but I wanted to share a bit of recent Aviation history with you all: The project that I'm working on (X-45)recently made an aviation milestone by atonomously releasing a Small Diameter Smart Bomb (SSB). From 35,000 ft., flying at over .65 mach, the inert bomb stuck within inches of the center of the target(an old 2 1/2 ton truck). This is referred to as a "kill". Pretty awesome when you think about it.... A photo of the release is at: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/040418/480/la10104182340 OK, now quit dreaming and get back to building....! ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:50:39 -0500 From: "Bob Stone" Subject: KR> Radio Antena To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <001e01c42be0$e6226920$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, For those in the know, can a aircraft radio/nav (OMNI)antenna be mounted inside the aircraft if it is a composite like the KR's. That is to say will the signal go through the foam/fiberglass, wood, etc or must it be mounted on the outside. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:02:08 EDT From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Radio Antena To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1ef.1ef84158.2dbeeef0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 4/26/2004 4:51:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, rstone4@hot.rr.com writes: > That is to say will the signal go through the foam/fiberglass, wood, > etc or > must it be mounted on the outside. > Inside works fine as long as there's no *carbon* fiber cloth. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:12:37 +1000 From: "Murray Gill" Subject: RE: KR> Successful VW Conversion To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000b01c42be3$f73f2e20$2202a8c0@ABT2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well that was nice of Mr Hoover to help his friend Ken. I wish he would help me too. I am still desperately searching the web for details on how to do one of those "easier and less expensive flywheel-end installations". So far all I've found is an empty folder on the subject on the AirVW group. I even Googled for Bob's Sermons but it seems that they are no longer available. I may be a dumb donkey in that I can't discover this information in the current whirlpool of rhetoric that seems to surround anything that Vee Dubber says, but please don't take me for a smart-ass. Murray Gill PS I'm even willing to pay for the information :-) PPS Yes I know who Ken is. > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Wayne Israelsen > Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 02:07 > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Successful VW Conversion > > > Hey all > Remember Mr. Hoover helped a freind named Ken test some parts for a > small fast Dynel coverd plane He was loosely basing on the Taylor mono > plane;-) ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:18:30 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: @SPAM+++++++++ RE: KR> KR 2 for sale To: Message-ID: <408D98C6.000001.01480@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The easiest way to pull it up is to go to eBay and do a search on "KR 2". It will pull up about 21 items with the aircraft towards the bottom. Why is Chelsea Clinton so homely? Because Janet Reno is her real father. -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 04/26/04 17:15:47 To: gleone@rtconnect.net Subject: @SPAM+++++++++ RE: KR> KR 2 for sale Is it someting bad with the link ???....or it is already sold ??... Danny -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Angus [mailto:kangus@talkcycle.com] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 11:35 PM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> KR 2 for sale Bet it goes for around $6,500 - It's at $3,550.00 now (2030 MST, Sunday) with 4 days and 18 hours left http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63677&item =2475624695&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Stephen and Janet Henderson Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 6:49 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> KR 2 for sale Hello everyone, There is a KR 2 for sale on ebay. It needs a little work. The current bidding is up to $2,025. Steve Henderson _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:17:43 -0700 From: "Wayne Israelsen" Subject: Re: KR> Weapons Release News To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001e01c42be4$ae203260$6701a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hey scott nice to hear from you. Thats some cool stuff. Thanks Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 3:29 PM Subject: KR> Weapons Release News > > Netters, > I know it isn't Friday, but I wanted to share a bit of > recent Aviation history with you all: > > The project that I'm working on (X-45)recently made an aviation > milestone by atonomously releasing a Small Diameter Smart Bomb (SSB). > From 35,000 ft., flying at over .65 mach, the inert bomb stuck within > inches of the center of the target(an old 2 1/2 ton truck). > This is referred to as a "kill". Pretty awesome when > you think about it.... > > A photo of the release is at: > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/040418/480/la10 104182340 > > OK, now quit dreaming and get back to building....! > > > ===== > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:30:58 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: RE: KR> Successful VW Conversion To: mjgill@webone.com.au, KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040426162812.034085f8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >I am still desperately searching the web for details on how to do one >of those "easier and less expensive flywheel-end installations". Look at the Great Plans Rear Drive unit. they could improve their documentation, but the installation answers all of the VW conversion crank shaft and power transfer problems. Not really cheap, since you also need to change the engine mount and exhaust, but what does a broken crank cost? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:49:32 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Weapons Release News To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008d01c42be9$1f92df70$6701a8c0@JRLENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Bob. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: KR> Weapons Release News > > Netters, > I know it isn't Friday, but I wanted to share a bit of > recent Aviation history with you all: > > The project that I'm working on (X-45)recently made an aviation > milestone by atonomously releasing a Small Diameter Smart Bomb (SSB). > From 35,000 ft., flying at over .65 mach, the inert bomb stuck within > inches of the center of the target(an old 2 1/2 ton truck). > This is referred to as a "kill". Pretty awesome when > you think about it.... > > A photo of the release is at: > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/040418/480/la10104182340 > > OK, now quit dreaming and get back to building....! > > > ===== > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:12:11 -0500 From: "Bob Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Radio Antena To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001201c42bec$49e46e80$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim, Thanks for the info. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 6:02 PM Subject: Re: KR> Radio Antena > In a message dated 4/26/2004 4:51:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, > rstone4@hot.rr.com writes: > > > > That is to say will the signal go through the foam/fiberglass, wood, > > etc or > > must it be mounted on the outside. > > > Inside works fine as long as there's no *carbon* fiber cloth. > > Jim Hayward > Rapid City, SD > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:15:02 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> fillers To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Funny that you brought up that point. I was just pondering what I was going to use as a filler yesterday and was thinking about the same thing. If you put on the glass, then sand without sanding all the way down to the glass fibers you are left with a bunch of little dimples between the fibers that need to be filled. These little dimples will be unsanded shiney epoxy so what keeps the filler sticking to them? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Larry A Capps Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:36 PM To: 'Stephen Jacobs'; 'KRnet' Subject: KR> delaminations! Hard-Shelling can be problematic as far as (secondary bond) adhesion is concerned. If we look microscopically at the top of the hard-shelled part, we will see peaks and valleys. These valleys would not be easily sanded without great effort and the possibility exists of sanding into the foam part in many areas. ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:22:44 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> fillers To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <408DA7D4.00001C.02164@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If you use deck cloth and peel ply, when possible, you will have a lot less filler. Anyway, the filler does seem to stick. I have never had any fall out There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC KR_Dan@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:24:11 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> delaminations! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just guessing here. I would think that doing a bunch of sanding on just a layer of micro on the foam would break the bond between the micro and foam. The foam is vey brittle and weak and I wouldn't expect it to hold up very well as you are flexing the thn micro coating while you sand. When there is glass on it you don't have near as much flexing of the glass and micro while you sand. I wouldn't think that putting on a layer of micro before you glass would really do any more for you than putting on the micro then laying the glass on it wet. If you are really determined to have more than just the normal glass I would put on the 1.45 ounce deck cloth over the 5.8 ounce cloth. That will at least give you something that will be a lot easier to sand and fill when you are done. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Stephen Jacobs Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 5:43 PM To: larry.capps@comcast.net; 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR> delaminations! Rutan has disproved hard-shelling Puffer recommends against hard-shelling .......................................................... Thanks Larry C When you quote these guys you have my full attention. Like Larry F, I would really like to understand what actually happens - why this is any different from any other 2nd lay-up. We may be missing something here - what is actually causing the problem? Where does the delaminations occur? Do we find the cloth separating from the micro surface, or do we find the micro coming away from the foam? Not sure this makes a whole lot of sense, but maybe the action of sanding the "hardshell" micro somehow disturbs the bond with the core material and this promotes later delamination (at this level). I.e - the separation occurs at the core material, but this failure is in some way caused by the two step process. Cheers Steve J Zambia _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:24:14 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Radio Antena To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Inside is just fine. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Bob Stone Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 6:51 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR> Radio Antena Netters, For those in the know, can a aircraft radio/nav (OMNI)antenna be mounted inside the aircraft if it is a composite like the KR's. That is to say will the signal go through the foam/fiberglass, wood, etc or must it be mounted on the outside. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:25:49 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR>Are the "sermons' still around anywhere?? To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 A few years ago I checked and the "VW Sermons" had been taken off the web due to liability reasons. -- Ross On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:55:54 -0500, John Bergen wrote: > I've been searching but can't seem to find them. > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:30:15 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> Radio Antena To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 Yep it sure can... As was done on the Voyager around the world airplane. Go to www.rst-engr.com to buy the do it yourself antenna kit. On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:50:39 -0500, Bob Stone wrote: > > Netters, > For those in the know, can a aircraft radio/nav (OMNI)antenna be > mounted inside the aircraft if it is a composite like the KR's. That is > to say will the signal go through the foam/fiberglass, wood, etc or must > it be mounted on the outside. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rstone4@hot.rr.com > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:31:43 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> fillers To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have never seen filler fall out either. It just seems to go against reason that you sand down the high points, fill in the low points, then sand again leaving filler only in the low points that were not really sanded at all. Not questioning that that is the right way to do it and that it works, it just seems weird. I always try to do final sanding before filling with just my finger tips backing the sand paper instead of a hard block so it gets in the little dimples as much as possible. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:23 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR> fillers If you use deck cloth and peel ply, when possible, you will have a lot less filler. Anyway, the filler does seem to stick. I have never had any fall out There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC KR_Dan@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:36:17 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> 2S plans To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can someone tell me what you get when you buy the 2S supplement. I got a new set of plans with the project I bought and it has a few of the big fold out 2S drawings. I can not seem to find anything else different from the 2 plans. Am I missing something or are the few drawings all you get? I have the original receipt with the serial number for the 2S from Rand so I know that I have the real deal. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:52:00 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> fillers To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00cd01c42bf1$d997bf50$6701a8c0@JRLENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For all this is worth here is what I did with my KR to prepare the foam/wood for glass cloth. It's is not a the popular method. 1. Shaped the urethane foam [ and adhered pieces with urethane adhesive] with sand paper as best I could. Foam is hard to get to a finish smooth surface. 2. I applied aeropoxy filler and sanded it to a smooth surface filling all the surface, Then I sanded and refilled and sanded to a ready to paint condition. 3. Applied the bottom layers of fiberglass cloth with the last layer the fine model airplane fiberglass. This eliminated almost 100% of pin holes. 4. Applied final coat of aeropoxy filler [very thin coat] 5. Use a heat gun [hair dryer] to help spread the filler in cooler environments. The above process helps prevent sand throughs because the filling-finishing is the first thing you do. The epoxy/glass cloth adheres very well to the filler. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: ; "KRnet" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 7:15 PM Subject: RE: KR> fillers > Funny that you brought up that point. I was just pondering what I was going > to use as a filler yesterday and was thinking about the same thing. > If you > put on the glass, then sand without sanding all the way down to the > glass fibers you are left with a bunch of little dimples between the > fibers that need to be filled. These little dimples will be unsanded > shiney epoxy so what keeps the filler sticking to them? > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Larry A Capps > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:36 PM > To: 'Stephen Jacobs'; 'KRnet' > Subject: KR> delaminations! > > > Hard-Shelling can be problematic as far as (secondary bond) adhesion > is concerned. If we look microscopically at the top of the > hard-shelled part, > we will see peaks and valleys. These valleys would not be easily > sanded without great effort and the possibility exists of sanding into > the foam part in many areas. > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 45 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================