From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 45 Date: 7/24/2004 8:59:50 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Foam vs Mahogeny Plywood (ronevogt@cox.net) 2. Re: Foam vs Mahogeny Plywood (Dan Heath) 3. RE: Foam vs. Foam (Dan Heath) 4. Re: Foam vs Mahogeny Plywood (Ed Janssen) 5. Re: corvair and Oshkosh (usafwalker@rap.midco.net) 6. Re: corvair and Oshkosh (Mark Langford) 7. RE: corvair and Oshkosh (greenr2@sbcglobal.net) 8. Foam strength (Colin & Bev Rainey) 9. Re: West Coast Gathering (Shane Daly) 10. RE: West Coast Gathering (Stanley Mello) 11. Re: West Coast Gathering (Ralph H Snyder) 12. Re: West Coast Gathering (cartera) 13. Re: West Coast Gathering (cartera) 14. Sectional charts (Robert L. Stone) 15. Re: Sectional charts (Mark Jones) 16. Re: Engine Sale Page (Phillip Matheson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 0:35:40 -0400 From: Subject: KR> Foam vs Mahogeny Plywood To: Message-ID: <20040724043539.YNVG143.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Netters; After I flew off the initial 40 hours on my KR-2S, I noticed that the wing roots, (fiberglass over foam), weren't holding up too well. (the outer portions of the wings were built with Deilh wings skins and looked just fine). I mentioned this to an experienced builder. He suggested that I use mahogeny: 1/4" for ribs and 1/8" for the skins and redo the wings roots. I did. It looks much better and has to be a lot stronger. The weight difference is negligible. Any comments? RV ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 05:52:48 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Foam vs Mahogeny Plywood To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41023170.000005.01316@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Any comments? Yea, Cool. I had heard of someone else who was attempting to build one by skinning with plywood instead of glass. I think it was Steve Bennett, but I am not sure of that. My only question is why not use 3/32? 1/8 seems mighty overkill. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:13:11 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Foam vs. Foam To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41023637.000009.01316@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: I cannot see that polyU will outperform Styrofoam in compressive or tensile strength - maybe the shear capability is the issue? I question strength being an issue at all, when deciding on what foam to use I thought that is was just there to be shaped and covered with glass. Is this a wrong conclusion? "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:25:13 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> Foam vs Mahogeny Plywood To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002001c47170$e511a070$8100a8c0@dad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan, Yes, that was Steve. The wings were skinned when I saw it. He sold the project before moving to Boystown. The KR-2 was modified in a number of ways. He was using ball joints for the control surface hinges - at least in the tail, I think, T-18 canopy, 5/8 in. Sonerai bent-up gear,etc. Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:52 AM Subject: Re: KR> Foam vs Mahogeny Plywood > RE: Any comments? > > > > Yea, Cool. I had heard of someone else who was attempting to build one > by skinning with plywood instead of glass. I think it was Steve > Bennett, but I > am not sure of that. My only question is why not use 3/32? 1/8 seems mighty > overkill. > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the > time for building has long since expired." > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:50:54 -0500 From: usafwalker@rap.midco.net Subject: Re: KR> corvair and Oshkosh To: rparker , KRnet Message-ID: <1090680654.4102774e81bb6@webmail.midco.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Where in Il. are you flying to. I'm in Morris IL. visiting my family and then I was going to drive up to osh. I was wondering if you were close by if maybe I could get a ride in your KR. You can respond to usafwalker@rap.midco.net Thanks, Dan > Couple of unrelated questions. > > 1. Has anyone figured out the maximum angle forwards and backwards > that a corvair engine with stock oil pan can be tipped before starving > the fuel pump pickup? > > 2. Is the KR crowd oshkosh schedule posted anywhere? I know there has > probably been discussion but I missed it. I'm flying to Illinois on > Monday and havent yet decided if I'm going to hang around and go up > for opening day. If there is beer and brats available Monday or > Tuesday night I might swing up there. > > Rich Parker > KR-2S > Peterborough, NH > rparker@wwhotspots.com > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:03:01 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> corvair and Oshkosh To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <060501c4718f$50a10b50$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rich Parker wrote: > 1. Has anyone figured out the maximum angle forwards and backwards > that a corvair engine with stock oil pan can be tipped before starving the fuel pump pickup? > > 2. Is the KR crowd oshkosh schedule posted anywhere? William Wynne posted something to CorvAircraft about two months ago where he said that even with a stock oil pan, if the engine was mounted level he'd never seen a Corvair starve for oil at any angle normally found in an in airplane, which I would assume would be 15 degrees or so, front to rear. The KR forum is at 11:30 on Tuesday in tent 10. Other than that I don't know of anything in particular that KR folks are planning. I'll only be there for Tuesday myself. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:51:44 -0500 From: Subject: RE: KR> corvair and Oshkosh To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002101c47196$1f1501c0$9c03fea9@greenhome2a1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dan Walker, can you please send me the $450 you promised to send me for the destroyed KR2 canopy a couple of years ago? You promised in good faith, and I have waited patiently for the funds for way too long now. This just is not right of you to leave me hanging out to dry this long. Thanks, Richard Green -----Original Message----- From: krnet-On Behalf Of usafwalker@rap.midco.net Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:51 AM To: rparker; KRnet Subject: Re: KR> corvair and Oshkosh Where in Il. are you flying to. I'm in Morris IL. visiting my family and then I was going to drive up to osh. I was wondering if you were close by if maybe I could get a ride in your KR. You can respond to usafwalker@rap.midco.net Thanks, Dan > Couple of unrelated questions. > > 1. Has anyone figured out the maximum angle forwards and backwards > that a corvair engine with stock oil pan can be tipped before starving > the fuel pump pickup? > > 2. Is the KR crowd oshkosh schedule posted anywhere? I know there has > probably been discussion but I missed it. I'm flying to Illinois on > Monday and havent yet decided if I'm going to hang around and go up > for opening day. If there is beer and brats available Monday or > Tuesday night I might swing up there. > > Rich Parker > KR-2S > Peterborough, NH > rparker@wwhotspots.com > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:19:41 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Foam strength To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009401c4719a$062189a0$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan >From what I have read that others have posted, if a structure only requires fiberglass lay ups on one side, then the foam is merely the shape and the glass is taking all of the load. If a true composite structure is required, lay ups on both sides are called for, then the foam does matter alittle, both in thickness and in composition, because it is part of the total structure and contribute to its strength. The most common I have seen it the pink foam Mark L used, the blue foam I have seen Scott Swing use on the Velocity at his Sebastian FL plant, and the Last O Foam that I ahve personnally used and also seen the Vision builders use for their entire fuselage. They use 2 types I thought would be of interest to KR builders including me when I build a new cowling. They use regular Last O Foam, and then they also use a heatable Last O Foam that can be shaped over a jig easily. Careful use of a heat gun, bend to shape, let cool, glass the outside, allow to cure, then remove from jig, place in reverse mold, as illustrated on Mark L's site, and glass the inside. 1/2 inch and 1/4 inch thicknesses are used throughout with glass applied the same way as on the KR. I used Last o Foam on my seat, canopy handle, and several other places and found it very easy to work with. Now if I can just get that Inspector to come back..... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:01:57 -0600 From: Shane Daly Subject: Re: KR> West Coast Gathering To: KRnet Message-ID: <017201c4719f$efad5770$7b00a8c0@homecomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I would attend a west coast gathering. I am in Calgary, Alberta Shane Daly Lurker extraordinaire KR2 just past the boat stage working on the tail feathers. > > All > > How many west coasters on the KR list? > > Curious what the interest would be for a West Coast gathering in the future? ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:17:36 -0700 From: "Stanley Mello" Subject: RE: KR> West Coast Gathering To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have a KR2-M [ narrowed single seat] that I completed in 99 and flew in 2000. Flys great with an 1835. Sitting in my garage now and hope to be flying it again by the end of the year. I would look forward to a west coast gathering. Stan Mello >From: "John Esch" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: >Subject: KR> West Coast Gathering >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:03:49 -0700 > >All >How many west coasters on the KR list? >Curious what the interest would be for a West Coast gathering in the >future? > >John Esch >KR-2SSW >Independence State Airport, OR (7S5) >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to ‘Dig Yourself Out of Debt’ from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:06:43 -0700 From: Ralph H Snyder Subject: Re: KR> West Coast Gathering To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040724.130644.-3741091.0.ralphndori@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I live in Burbank, and would be interested in a west coast gathering. KR2 at 95 % Ralph Snyder ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:27:48 -0600 From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> West Coast Gathering To: KRnet Message-ID: <4102F074.3080203@spots.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Shane, What part of town you in? Have you seen my web site? Shane Daly wrote: > I would attend a west coast gathering. I am in Calgary, Alberta > > Shane Daly > Lurker extraordinaire > KR2 just past the boat stage working on the tail feathers. > > > > >>>All >>>How many west coasters on the KR list? >>>Curious what the interest would be for a West Coast gathering in the > > future? > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > . > -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@spots.ab.ca http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:15:01 -0600 From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> West Coast Gathering To: KRnet Message-ID: <4102FB85.3030202@spots.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sorry Guys, should have gone direct. Happy Flying! cartera wrote: > Hi Shane, > What part of town you in? > Have you seen my web site? > > Shane Daly wrote: > >>I would attend a west coast gathering. I am in Calgary, Alberta >> >>Shane Daly >>Lurker extraordinaire >>KR2 just past the boat stage working on the tail feathers. >> >> >> >> >> >>>>All >>>>How many west coasters on the KR list? >>>>Curious what the interest would be for a West Coast gathering in the >> >>future? >> >> >> >>_______________________________________ >>to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >>please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >>. >> > > -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@spots.ab.ca http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:51:53 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: KR> Sectional charts To: "KR Builders Pilots" Message-ID: <41030429.000003.00984@YOUR-AT5QGAAC3Z> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, I heard that there is a web site where sectional charts of any area of the country can be downloaded. Does any of you 600 know anything about this??????????????????????? Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:15:32 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Sectional charts To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007501c471ed$440e6b40$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here are some services which you can download charts from: http://www.aeroplanner.com/ http://www.maps.com/cgi-bin/maps/aerochart.pl?typ=city&txt=Cheyenne%2CWY http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/vfrcharts.htm And for free sectional downloads: http://www.strepla.de/StrePla3/english/download/SectionalAeronauticalCharts.htm Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Stone" To: "KR Builders Pilots" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: KR> Sectional charts > Netters, > > I heard that there is a web site where sectional charts of any > area of the country can be downloaded. Does any of you 600 know anything > about this??????????????????????? > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:33:02 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Engine Sale Page To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013801c471f8$17c96840$0000fea9@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry all, it's passed Friday But just found this web for many VW engines. http://www.siinc-sources.com/Dragonfly/engines.htm Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 45 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================