From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 46 Date: 4/26/2004 9:00:18 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 2S plans (Joseph H Horton) 2. Re: 2S plans (B. Wunder) 3. intake tubes (Joseph H Horton) 4. Re: microair & antennae (Joseph H Horton) 5. Re: microair & antennae (FIXERJONES@aol.com) 6. Photo of the week... NEW (Mark Jones) 7. delaminations! (larry flesner) 8. Re: fillers (larry flesner) 9. Weapons Release News (larry flesner) 10. Photo of the week... NEW (larry flesner) 11. Re: Photo of the week... NEW (Mark Jones) 12. Re: fillers (Ron Eason) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:42:41 -0400 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: Re: KR> 2S plans To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040426.204253.-549989.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Should be may be (4) 24" x 36". Fuselage layout sheet, firewall templete, spar layout,and maybe a details sheet. Joe Horton On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:36:17 -0400 "Brian Kraut" writes: > Can someone tell me what you get when you buy the 2S supplement. I > got a > new set of plans with the project I bought and it has a few of the > big fold > out 2S drawings. I can not seem to find anything else different > from the 2 > plans. Am I missing something or are the few drawings all you get? > I have > the original receipt with the serial number for the 2S from Rand so > I know > that I have the real deal. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:03:22 -0500 From: "B. Wunder" Subject: Re: KR> 2S plans To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00a301c42bfb$d27e6160$6400a8c0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Brian, When I ordered my KR2S plans, I basically got the KR2 manual, KR2 drawings and supplemental drawings for the KR2S where it differed from the KR2 (fuselage, wing,empenage, etc.) identified by KR-2S on the drawing. r/Bernie KR2S Builder Lexington Park, MD http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 7:36 PM Subject: KR> 2S plans > Can someone tell me what you get when you buy the 2S supplement. I > got a new set of plans with the project I bought and it has a few of > the big fold > out 2S drawings. I can not seem to find anything else different from > the 2 > plans. Am I missing something or are the few drawings all you get? I have > the original receipt with the serial number for the 2S from Rand so I > know that I have the real deal. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:00:34 -0400 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: KR> intake tubes To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040426.210034.-549989.3.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Guys, I started fitting my cowl last night. The intake tubes just bearly touch the top cowl. I fabricated them as short as I could and still have a bolt on intake to the manifold. If I would have milled off the flange they would have fit under the KR cowl easily. So I guess I'm headed for the corvair trade mark blisters on the hood. Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:51:20 -0400 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: Re: KR> microair & antennae To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040426.210034.-549989.2.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Dean, I bought the MIcroair radio and transponder at SNF 2 years ago. They demonstrated it there and it seemed to do all that I needed. I have mine in the panel and listen on it often. The reception seems fine in my work shop ( granted I have a 10 to 50 mile line of site from my house). I had wished that it would have had a couple more watts of transmitt power but it should be enough for a KR. I have not flown with it yet. Joe Horton On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:02:13 +0200 "Dene Collett \(SA\)" writes: > Hi guys > I saw mention of a microair radio in a message that was accidentally > deleted > . To the person that has this radio, would you recommend it ? I have > one on > order although I have never seen one before. I ordered it because of > its > ability to mount in a standard instrument hole and it seems to have > good > features.Will I be dissapointed? > I decide that after seeing Mark L's antennae install that I also > wanted the > same. Because I couldn't find copper tape I had to come up with > something > else. My answer was to strip the shield from a length of co-ax > cable, bunch > it up to make the hole bigger then isert a 1/4" dowel into it. > Stretch the > shield tight over the dowel, coat with resin and you have a perfect > ridgid > antennae that will slide up the hole in the fin that I had to bore > since my > fin was built many moons ago. One end is twisted together for the > feeder to > solder to and the other end is trimmed for correct s.w.r. Two of > these and > my dipole is in business! > Thanks > Dene Collett > KR2S-RT builder > Port Elizabeth > South Africa > mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net > P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:14:55 EDT From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> microair & antennae To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <142.27f9f7c3.2dbf0e0f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" yes the micro air is in use in n212kr & everyone says it comes in very clear,,even atc 60 miles away @1500 ft! on the antenna. you can use copper wire inplace of foil,,i used a wood yardstick,, 2 pieces bolted together at one end & spreaded it inside the fusalage as much as poss. with the active element straight up & the 2nd wire( the ground plane) horizonal. clear taped the foil(wire) to the stick to trap it in place. attached the unit to the airframe with plactic wire tyes & soldered the coax center wire to the verticle element # the shield to the horizonal element. trim the lenght to tune & wala,, it works t scrounges all the materals ,,it cost nothing! steve jones n212kr ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:06:13 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Photo of the week... NEW To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <015101c42c04$9982e440$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Left wing and landing light under construction. Here is the link: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:26:47 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> delaminations! To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040426222647.007bf610@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The problem we have experienced is localized in only >one area that is already repaired, but it could happen to others who >have done what we have done. I WILL NOT be doing any hard-shelling and >will recommend against it. - Michael Pollock - Flying Velocity N173DT >Larry A Capps Naperville, IL +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The above "snip" would indicate to me that the problem was not in "hard-shelling" if it happened only in a localized area. From the above reply and others, I'm getting the idea that builders were "gobbing" on micro to fix problems with the foam. That is NOT what my process did. I used slurry much the consistancy of honey. I applied it with a rubber squeege and removed as much as possible so as to seal the foam only. I brushed the foam with sandpaper once or twice after the slurry cured to remove little "prickleys" that would snag the glass when I would attempt to move it before wetting it out. I would then wet the glass in the normal manner. I laid up all the glass on my KR without assistance from anyone and never felt rushed and that includes scratch built wings. I'm still convinced that the bond between the cured slury and the glass/resin is stronger than the foam core and that the glass is bonded to the foam with the same strength as when the glass is laid up over wet slurry. Also, what about glass that soaks up slurry from below instead of being wetted out with pure resin? In all the cured glass I've pulled off foam, I see no difference between straight epoxy/glass on foam, glass over wet slurry, or glass over dried slurry as far as how much foam comes up with the glass. In all cases you will pull up the glass with a layer of foam only as deep as the resin or slurry penetrated. I would hold this same opinion even if some of my glass work was not ten years old and still no defects, my KR did not have 40 hours on it with 75+ takeoffs and landing, flown in 35F weather and been to 7500 feet several times. YOUR RESULTS MAY VARY. DO YOUR OWN TEST. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:27:37 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> fillers To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040426222737.007be100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >2. I applied aeropoxy filler and sanded it to a smooth surface filling >all the surface, Then I sanded and refilled and sanded to a ready to >paint condition. KRron ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Not throwing rocks at you Ron but I get the feeling that your process of "hard-shelling" is maybe the process that gave some builders problems. First off there is no need to have the foam surface smooth, just straight. I sanded my foam with wing walk material. Take two pieces of fiberglass and lay one on a piece of sandpaper with the grit side up and another on a painted surface. Can you tell what's under the glass cloth without looking. Your process requires you to "finish" two surfaces when only the top surface of the glass needs to be finished smooth for paint. As always, go with what makes you feel good and what works for you. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:27:58 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Weapons Release News To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040426222758.007bf690@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >The project that I'm working on (X-45)recently made an aviation >milestone by atonomously releasing a Small Diameter Smart Bomb (SSB). >From 35,000 ft., flying at over .65 mach, the inert bomb stuck within >inches of the center of the target(an old 2 1/2 ton truck). >Scott Cable ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Scott, Please forward info on bomb weight, dimentions, number of hard points required, and other suggestions for mounting, release, targeting, and lunch box size required to sneak one of those babys out of the plant. There is a Q-200 I'd like to take out before he has a chance to get airborne. :-) :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:35:59 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Photo of the week... NEW To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040426223559.007e7a90@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Left wing and landing light under construction. Here is the link: >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html >Mark Jones (N886MJ) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark, Make sure those wires and pitot/static tubes have extra length and quick disconnects at the wing attach point. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:40:35 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Photo of the week... NEW To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <017d01c42c09$66db6a80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 10-4 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 10:35 PM Subject: KR> Photo of the week... NEW > >Left wing and landing light under construction. Here is the link: > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Mark, > > Make sure those wires and pitot/static tubes have extra length > and quick disconnects at the wing attach point. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:51:48 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> fillers To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000b01c42c0a$f7d0fc20$6701a8c0@JRLENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I guess you are right for your method. My goal was to not have any finishing for the final glass and it happened that way. I don't want to risk sanding through to cloth. But then, I've only finished fiberglass for 20 years or so. Mostly fiberglass cars but the same works for planes. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: Re: KR> fillers > > >2. I applied aeropoxy filler and sanded it to a smooth surface filling all > >the surface, Then I sanded and refilled and sanded to a ready to paint > >condition. > >KRron > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Not throwing rocks at you Ron but I get the feeling that your process > of "hard-shelling" is maybe the process that gave some builders > problems. > > First off there is no need to have the foam surface smooth, just > straight. I sanded my foam with wing walk material. Take two > pieces of fiberglass and lay one on a piece of sandpaper with the > grit side up and another on a painted surface. Can you tell what's > under the glass cloth without looking. Your process requires you > to "finish" two surfaces when only the top surface of the glass > needs to be finished smooth for paint. > > As always, go with what makes you feel good and what works > for you. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 46 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================