From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 46 Date: 7/25/2004 12:12:09 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: HAPI Engine Mount (Phillip Matheson) 2. Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 45 (Jumpnkd@aol.com) 3. Re: HAPI Engine Mount (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 4. EAA groups (Colin & Bev Rainey) 5. Re: Engine Sale Page Oudated (F Ross) 6. Re: HAPI Engine Mount (Frlfarmer@wmconnect.com) 7. Re: EAA groups (Ed Janssen) 8. Re: KR "design"/Wright Bros. (StRaNgEdAyS) 9. Re: BMW engines adn Diesel Engines (StRaNgEdAyS) 10. Re: Flap Handle (StRaNgEdAyS) 11. EAA groups/assistance (larry flesner) 12. Re: Wing incidence with RAF-48? (StRaNgEdAyS) 13. Re: Soldering school (StRaNgEdAyS) 14. Re: EAA groups (StRaNgEdAyS) 15. RE: Corvair Dimensions (StRaNgEdAyS) 16. RE: Foam vs. Foam (StRaNgEdAyS) 17. Re: EAA groups (JSMONDAY@aol.com) 18. Re: @WL KR> Yipppeee! (gleone) 19. Re: @WL RE: KR> Tax appeal (gleone) 20. RE: Tax appeal (pole shed) 21. RE: EAA groups (Ron Freiberger) 22. Re: @CHECK++ RE: KR> Tax appeal (gleone) 23. Re: 64 Days till the Gathering (Jim Sellars) 24. Re: Sectional charts (Boeing757mech1@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:46:29 +1000 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> HAPI Engine Mount To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <014901c47202$5a9769b0$0000fea9@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can someone explain the difference between the different mounts, or are there any engine mount photo's around to what a Hapi is?? My mount is off ?? Revmaster engine ?? Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:36:21 EDT From: Jumpnkd@aol.com Subject: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 45 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <76.3e918174.2e34a0d5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I am in the DC area and have a kr2 in boat and partial wing const, looking at sharing a ride to the gathering as well as hearing from some of you that are close to me. Bill White jumpnkd@aol.com "People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it." George Bernard Shaw, (1856-1950) Irish playwright and winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature 1925 Yours Bill ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:44:05 -0700 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> HAPI Engine Mount To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005c01c4720a$663f9960$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Phillip, In my blue construction manual, Page 98 there is a drawing of an engine mount with dimensions. I have two engine mounts for my project and neither one of them are the same dimensions as what is in the book. The one illustrated in the manual measures; top horizontal width = 7 3/4" bottom horizontal width = 8 1/4", the vertical distance is 8 3/4". The great plains engine mount I have, which bolts up to the Diehl accessory case is rectangular, 9 1/2" horizontal and 11" vertical. the other mount I have is narrow at the top and wider at the bottom, width at top is 6 3/4", width at bottom 10 1/2" ; the vertical distance is approximately 11 3/8". Both of the engine mounts I have use the same bolt pattern through the firewall. I believe this last one is a HAPI mount. Hope this helps a little. Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA KR2Streched email: c.midkiff@verizon.net web: http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html Ps. John, I too would be interested in any kind of get together of KR builders in the west! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> HAPI Engine Mount Can someone explain the difference between the different mounts, or are there any engine mount photo's around to what a Hapi is?? My mount is off ?? Revmaster engine ?? Phillip Matheson ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:51:18 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> EAA groups To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005601c4721c$2baf0e40$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just looking to vent so don't mind me BUT... I am TOTALLY disappointed with EAA groups here in central Florida. I have sent several e-mails and left messages to different people trying to get assistance both recently and earlier this year. I have either been ignored or put off to someone else, with some lame excuse like we don't do that. Hello I thought EAA was the founder of these plans built artisan aircraft. Now if I had an RV of some sort man I would have a crowd at my house! Anyway, it has made my mind up that membership is for bragging rights only and I get 10 times the value for my money from AOPA than EAA. I kinda feel towards them like Mark L feels towards AS&S. I don't have any use for them any more. If you have a good Chapter in your area feel fortunate. Brian and I talked today, and I think all our guys here are either dead, or in some assisted living somewhere, cause they defintely are not at the airport, checking their e-mail, or building their plane. I am not on their lets take years for simple stuff time table. I thought that it would be hard but EAA is WORSE in its response than the FAA. NOW that takes work! See yall at the Gathering, and yes both my guns are smoking..... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:33:47 -0700 (PDT) From: F Ross Subject: Re: KR> Engine Sale Page Oudated To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040725103347.34615.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Phillip Matheson wrote: > Sorry all, it's passed Friday > But just found this web for many VW engines. > > http://www.siinc-sources.com/Dragonfly/engines.htm > > > Phillip Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > Australia > VH PKR Sorry Phil, but if you look at the dates on those ads, they are out-dated. Wish som of these guys would keep their websites up to date (like the KR guys do). I got excited about that page a couple of years ago until I looked closely and realized they were old then. Frank ===== Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:31:52 EDT From: Frlfarmer@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: KR> HAPI Engine Mount To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <12d.469b74a8.2e34f428@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have a mount but do not know what accessory case it fits. Engine mount holes are approx 11 5/8" lower to upper 10 1/2" between the lower and 6 11/16" between the upper. Anyone know which I have. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 06:34:21 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> EAA groups To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000f01c4723b$542abb20$8100a8c0@dad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Colin, Maybe you should go back to bed and get up on the other side. Just kidding, of course - but what in the world are you talking about? Assistance for what? - have you asked KRnet? Most EAA chapters are helpful , almost to a fault. Are you a member yet? Try again. Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 2:51 AM Subject: KR> EAA groups > Just looking to vent so don't mind me BUT... > > I am TOTALLY disappointed with EAA groups here in central Florida. I > have sent several e-mails and left messages to different people trying to get assistance both recently and earlier this year. I have either been ignored or put off to someone else, with some lame excuse like we don't do that. Hello I thought EAA was the founder of these plans built artisan aircraft. Now if I had an RV of some sort man I would have a crowd at my house! Anyway, it has made my mind up that membership is for bragging rights only and I get 10 times the value for my money from AOPA than EAA. I kinda feel towards them like Mark L feels towards AS&S. I don't have any use for them any more. If you have a good Chapter in your area feel fortunate. Brian and I talked today, and I think all our guys here are either dead, or in some assisted living somewhere, cause they defintely are not at the airport, checking their e-mail, or building their plane. I am not on their lets take years for simple stuff time table. I thought that it would be hard but EAA is WORSE in its response than the FAA. NOW that takes work! > > See yall at the Gathering, and yes both my guns are smoking..... > > Colin & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA > Sanford, FL > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:35:10 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> KR "design"/Wright Bros. To: Message-ID: <001301c47244$38aa6450$0101a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok I know some of these are old, but I just realised my webmail server was adding a graphic to the text, and as such, the mail was not going through, so here they are. The Wright Bros. had a kind of "tech advisor" of the day who also had worked with Lawrence Hargraves in Australia on his lifting cell technology, much of the theory which was applied in the foreplanes of the wright flyer. Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net --------- Original Message -------- From: "KRnet" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR> KR "design"/Wright Bros. Date: 10/07/04 08:05 The Wright Bros. were said to have visited Gustav Whitehead's shop. Twoyears before their first flight and after Gustav's flight. (We don't know that). Pat Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Saint Paul, MN ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:53:44 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> BMW engines adn Diesel Engines To: Message-ID: <002f01c47246$6bbfddf0$0101a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok I know some of these are old, but I just realised my webmail server was adding a graphic to the text, and as such, the mail was not going through, so here they are. I like the Jabiru engine as well, I don't like it's price tag though. If I could find a desent 2nd hand one I'd be interested. Until then, the Corvair, even thought I'd probably have to get it imported, still wins hands down. Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net --------- Original Message -------- From: "KRnet" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR> BMW engines adn Diesel Engines Date: 12/07/04 14:26 If I was to build a KR2S in I would probably use the 6 cylinder Jabiru 3300 120hp for 81kg. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Rupert To: 'KRnet' Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: RE: KR> BMW engines adn Diesel Engines Thank you for the response Wolfgang. With those numbers I'll have to stay away from the diesel for now. I just saw a clip on the news tonight about the new Volkswagen with a V12 engine, definitely a radical change in engineering with that vehicle. Looked like something from the Motor Works, only on steroids. Like you I have a long way to go before engine mounting but would like to have some idea of what I have to work with, numbers wise. Best wishes. Doug Rupert ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:10:36 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> Flap Handle To: Message-ID: <004b01c47248$d0650670$0101a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok I know some of these are old, but I just realised my webmail server was adding a graphic to the text, and as such, the mail was not going through, so here they are. I did think about it, but I'm opting for the U-Beaut 12V drill motor version, complete with ratchet stops to prevent overrun. Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net I can not believe no one wants to buy my factory Rand Robinson Flap Handle. It is new and never used. Rand gets $90 for these. Make me an offer. Mark Jones ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:09:26 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> EAA groups/assistance To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040725080926.00832c20@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyway, it has made my mind up that membership is for bragging rights only and I get 10 times the value for my money from AOPA than EAA. >Colin Rainey +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Colin, Sorry to hear you're not getting the assistance you're looking for. Each EAA chapter will be as different as the people that make it up. Each chapter however should have a Tech councilor(s) that can provide you with the guidance or info you're looking for. If they don't know they should know who knows. Find out who they are and contact them directly with your request. We have three chapters here in southern Illinois and each one is as different as any three churches on the block. One is a large group of mostly older members with a lot of expertise, another is a smaller group of mostly builders, and the third is group that is very active in local airport affairs as well as putting on several fly-ins, promoting Young Eagles and recognizing veterans. The help is out there, you just have to root it out. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:14:51 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> Wing incidence with RAF-48? To: Message-ID: <004f01c47249$67f90a90$0101a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok I know some of these are old, but I just realised my webmail server was adding a graphic to the text, and as such, the mail was not going through, so here they are. >From what I can gather, the wings were part of the aircraft that were >"borrowed heavily" from the early Taylor Mono. This aircraft was designed to be considerably slower than the KRs' and with STOL characteristics in mind, something that the KRs' aren't for aircraft of their size (slow or STOL). That is the reasoning behind the high AoI and the large amount of washout. Don't get me wrong, the KR's don't use a heck of a lot of runway, but the do use a little more than usual for an aircraft of it's size. Even if I wasn't opting for the newer AS airfoils, I'd be reducing the AoI to 1° and the washout to 2°. This will give you a much nicer attitude at trim and speed, and the reduction in washout on a plane of this size will not impact the stall characteristics noticably, and will greatly reduce induce drag. Cheers. Peter Bancks. strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:18:10 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> Soldering school To: Message-ID: <005801c47249$df0062a0$0101a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok I know some of these are old, but I just realised my webmail server was adding a graphic to the text, and as such, the mail was not going through, so here they are. agree,silver soldering is of the highest quality for electrical connections there is, provided it is done correctly. This is true regardless of the composition of solder you use. With multiple stranded cables, there is a danger of wicking up into the insulated section, which can, but not necessarily, lead to weaknesses in the cable leading to the joint, (this is the main reason crimp connectors are recommended by many advisors, technicians and companies) however with care it can easily be avoided. The trick is, don't get too carried away with the tinning, a little goes a long way, and don't apply more heat to the joint than needed to get a nice flow. If you dally too long, the solder will wick up the strands, damaging the insulation and compromise the flexibility of the cable past the joint. Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net --------- Original Message -------- From: "KRnet" To: "KRNET@MYLIST.NET" Subject: KR> Soldering school Date: 19/07/04 03:04 I repaired and calibrated flight computers for the Bendix Corp for six years.When I started they made everyone attend a five day soldering school .We used solder that was about 1/32 diameter that consisted of 95% silver and 5% tin or antimony, Most of the wire was 22 GA.silver plated copper.The insulation was Teflon.On a post terminal they required the wire to be wrapped 5 times and when it was soldered you had to be able to see all of the wraps. The solder was rosin core and you used a 17watt iron. These computers flew in F-105's and just about every type of commercial airliner all around the world.We washed all solder joints with Acetone,I consider this to be ultimate quality. VW-KR-2 in Pa. 80%done40% to go. Fritz ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:20:53 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> EAA groups To: Message-ID: <006501c4724a$36dc2540$0101a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You are not the first to hit a similar snag with the EAA. Here's a section of a post I wrote from the Canard Community, where they lamenting the lack of support for anyone not building a spam can. Quote: >Originally Posted by Turbotag >If I were building an RV I would have all kinds of help from my local >>chapter. I can't really blame them....they all fly spam cans. I wonder if they would be as helpful if you were building a tin Cozy? Quote: >Look through the homebuilt list and see how little info there is. I >really >don't feel like paying Kitplanes to access their data base. >Shouldn't the >EAA, of all places, have the best data on experimental >and kit planes. >The latest information on construction processes? It >should be a clearing >house of information to advance experimental >aircraft design. Apart from the type dedicated mailing lists, I have found only TWO places online that fulfill these ideals, one is this one, the other is HBA. Quote: >Originally Posted by John Slade >They're interested in three things. >1. Revenue growth >2. membership growth (see 1 above) >3. Increased attendance at fly-ins (see 1 above) That's because when it comes down to it, they are a beauracracy. The only way things will change is if the members demand it. If the current membership is content with the status quo, then I'm afraid it will continue to stagnate. If however there is an influx of new plastic fantastic builders, and an increase of those willing to push the boundaries of design instead of happily assembling their "safe" pre-packaged kits then there might be sufficient discontent with the current state of things to give rise to positive action. The biggest problem is they have lost contact with their charter, and have become more an Established Aircraft Association. Somebody take this soap box away from me PLEASE! Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net --------- Original Message -------- From: "KRnet" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR> EAA groups Date: 25/07/04 17:52 Just looking to vent so don't mind me BUT... I am TOTALLY disappointed with EAA groups here in central Florida. I have sent several e-mails and left messages to different people trying to get assistance both recently and earlier this year. I have either been ignored or put off to someone else, with some lame excuse like we don't do that. Hello I thought EAA was the founder of these plans built artisan aircraft. Now if I had an RV of some sort man I would have a crowd at my house! Anyway, it has made my mind up that membership is for bragging rights only and I get 10 times the value for my money from AOPA than EAA. I kinda feel towards them like Mark L feels towards AS&S. I don't have any use for them any more. If you have a good Chapter in your area feel fortunate. Brian and I talked today, and I think all our guys here are either dead, or in some assisted living somewhere, cause they defintely are not at the airport, checking their e-mail, or building their plane. I am not on their lets take years for simple stuff time table. I thought that it would be hard but EAA is WORSE in its response than the FAA. NOW that takes work! See yall at the Gathering, and yes both my guns are smoking..... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:26:45 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: RE: KR> Corvair Dimensions To: Message-ID: <007601c4724b$08f871f0$0101a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Could I possibly get a copy of that file? I'm redrawing my modified plans out in Rhino 3D and I could use a scale drawing of the corvair engine. Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net --------- Original Message -------- From: "KRnet" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR> Corvair Dimensions Date: 23/07/04 19:15 I need some dimentions off a Corvair. I found a really nice AutoCad dwg of a Corvair engine on the net. I am using ACad, so this is perfect for me. Problem is that the dwg appears to be in an odd scale. I do not know what variants there are on these engines and it is not clear which one this is. Is the case (for e.g.) the same on all of them? When I got the Cad (2D and 3D) dwg of the dragonfly canopy from Mark Lougheed I had the same hassle, so maybe I have my ACad set up wrong? The engine measures 27 units at the widest (rocker covers) and the piston diam measures 4. Starter ring gear is 10 (greater diam). Could these be the correct sizes in inches? If not, please give me a few specific measurements so I can re-scale this dwg. Have a good weekend. (Enjoy Larry F - how many hrs ?) Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:31:27 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: RE: KR> Foam vs. Foam To: Message-ID: <007f01c4724b$b0e8d8a0$0101a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The primary function of the foam is to provide the shape for the structure, and to provide a small degree of structural and compression related strength. While wings certainly can be and have been created hollow with just the skins shear webs and spar caps, it generally requires greater manufacturing capability than the average homebuilder can provide. The most important factor to keep in mind with sandwich style construction is to keep the sandwich symmetrical in nature, with the same number and type of layers on each side of the foam, or stress transferrence can lead to structural failure of the thicker layers, as they will be carrying the majority of the load instead of it being evenly distributed throughout the sandwich. The type of foam is pretty much a personal choice and compromise between compression strength, weight, and foam qualities. Just bear in mind, as has been already pointed out, that fuel will dissolve styrofoam, so if you are putting tanks anywhere near this stuff, you better make darned sure it is well sealed and isolated from potential leaks. Cheers. Peter Bancks. strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net --------- Original Message -------- From: "KRnet" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: RE: KR> Foam vs. Foam Date: 24/07/04 20:13 RE: I cannot see that polyU will outperform Styrofoam in compressive or tensile strength - maybe the shear capability is the issue? I question strength being an issue at all, when deciding on what foam to use I thought that is was just there to be shaped and covered with glass. Is this a wrong conclusion? "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:21:10 EDT From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> EAA groups To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <2b.5ce90c53.2e3529e6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have had a similiar experience with the groups by trying to e-mail them, call them, etc.... But I had great success when I actually attended their meetings. They are just like most of us, and have full time jobs. I think they get lots of phone calls etc... but if you are really interested, then attend some of their meetings, and I think you will find a difference, (and they know you are serious!) Thanks, John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:27:27 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: @WL KR> Yipppeee! To: Message-ID: <4103D15F.000017.02964@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, it's called the KR-1B. When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be surprised if they learn their lesson. -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 07/23/04 20:47:30 To: KRnet Subject: @WL KR> Yipppeee! Just did my first three glider solos yesterday! Not quite as much fun as the KR and not very practical for going places, but it is a heck of a lot of fun and cheap flight time. Also pretty good emergency training when the instructor pulls the release handle at 200' altitude over the trees past the end of the runway and yells "rope break" and you have to do an immediate 45 degree bank 180 and land downwind. Not something I would practice in the KR! Hmmm, I have already extended the center section wing spars. I could extend the outboard wings, move the seat forward a few feet, knock out the firewall and just glass on a round nose, and put on a tow hook. KR-2SG for fun and take the 172 when I need to go somewhere? Seriously though, any of you other glider types out there know of any homebuilt gliders with the same construction method as a KR? I would think you could build one dirt cheap and prety quick. The club gliders rent for only six bucks a flight, but they don't let you do cross countries or aerobatics in them. Not really interrested in a motor glider. I have one and a half powered planes already. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:47:27 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: @WL RE: KR> Tax appeal To: Message-ID: <4103D60F.00001C.02964@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is a good strategy. As I don't expect to be flying for another year or so, I'm saving all the KR and similar planes auctions on e-Bay in Adobe Acrobat. This way they can all be printed out and presented to the taxation nazis when they get around to putting a value on it; something that I suspect would go a long way to proving the value of the bird in court if you had to go that far. If there's a legal type aboard, what are your thoughts to that strategy? When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be surprised if they learn their lesson. -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 07/23/04 08:45:54 To: KRnet Subject: @WL RE: KR> Tax appeal I've been looking for KR's for sale. Like you said, what people are asking is not what they most likely will get. Once the e-bay auction ends I am going to print that and send it along. Also, with having another KR on the field listed as cheap as they do, I don't know how they can justify their value. Steve Glover kr02g@cox.net KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca. _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:56:33 -0700 (PDT) From: pole shed Subject: RE: KR> Tax appeal To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040725155633.69572.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As the local assessor, I applaud the strategy. I only deal with real estate, thank God, but that is the same strategy to use for real estate valuations. I like to have the relevant values shown to me, because I deal with a manual for mass valuations. Larry Lipe, wannabe builder, Carbondale, IL Makanda Township Assessor I'm saving all the KR and similar planes > auctions on e-Bay in Adobe > Acrobat. This way they can all be printed out and > presented to the taxation > nazis when they get around to putting a value on it; __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:25:54 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> EAA groups To: "KRnet" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Maybe you should talk to your EAA Tech Counselor at the next Chapter meeting. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com EAA Tech Counselor #4125 I am TOTALLY disappointed with EAA groups here in central Florida. I have sent several e-mails and left messages to different people trying to get assistance ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:49:27 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: @CHECK++ RE: KR> Tax appeal To: Message-ID: <4103F2A7.000001.03352@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Uh. . .hopefully you didn't take that personally, Mein Herr! Sorry, couldn t help myself! Gene in Wyoming When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be surprised if they learn their lesson. -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 07/25/04 09:58:11 To: KRnet Subject: @CHECK++ RE: KR> Tax appeal As the local assessor, I applaud the strategy. I only deal with real estate, thank God, but that is the same strategy to use for real estate valuations. I like to have the relevant values shown to me, because I deal with a manual for mass valuations. Larry Lipe, wannabe builder, Carbondale, IL Makanda Township Assessor I'm saving all the KR and similar planes > auctions on e-Bay in Adobe > Acrobat. This way they can all be printed out and > presented to the taxation > nazis when they get around to putting a value on it; __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:13:00 -0300 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR> 64 Days till the Gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001901c47273$0558fce0$8785c345@mainpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark: Would you help me to convey to the group that there is another conversion from Airport orniment to flying KR-2. Today I flew the KR-2 stock tricycle aircraft for the first time. It is a re-built aircraft I purchased from G. MacDonald on PEIlast year. It has been extensively up-graded, and now is a flying model of the type. Let me tell you that I experienced everything that has been described by others on this chat line, and had moments of second thought as I accelerated down the field at Havelock Flying Club. But this was the day and it simply had to be given a chance to fly. I'm alittle concerned about the first climb out as my airspeed indicator may not be very accurate, but it did eventually climb to 1500 AGL and after a number of circuits, I made an approach and clean landing, It was a moment for celebration for sure. Tell me what sort of prop you are operating with, as I need to reassure myself that the performance it okay with the set-up I have. Fellows on the ground seemed to think that I was going pretty fast, but the airspeed indicator was showing not more then 125MPH. With a EA-81 Soob what sort of prop should I be looking for? Any comments? Best regards Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: KR> 64 Days till the Gathering > You gotta be there!!!! This is where it all happens. The best people > and the > best planes. Do not pass this up, you will regret it if you do. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:11:22 EDT From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Sectional charts To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 7/24/2004 7:14:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time, flykr2s@wi.rr.com writes: I heard that there is a web site where sectional charts of any > area of the country can be downloaded. Does any of you 600 know > anything about this??????????????????????? > > You can get sectionals, terminal airspace, approach plates, airport diagrams, airport facility directory and a flight planer if you are a member of AOPA. The web site is WWW.AOPA.ORG. Also, check out the twin comanche they are giving away this year. The membership is not free but it is well worth the money. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 46 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================