From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 47 Date: 7/25/2004 8:59:51 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 64 Days till the Gathering (Joachim Saupe) 2. Re: 64 Days till the Gathering (Mark Jones) 3. GATHERING (Mark Jones) 4. Re: 5in tire pressure (Al Friesen) 5. Re: Oil Pressure - What's Up? (Al Friesen) 6. Re: Oil Pressure - What's Up? (Mark Jones) 7. Re: EAA groups (Russ Fenlason) 8. RE: EAA groups (Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)) 9. Re: EAA groups (Kenneth B. Jones) 10. Engine Mount Material (Orma) 11. RE: Engine Mount Material (Brian Kraut) 12. Re: Corvair Dimensions (Chris Barber) 13. Auto fuel STC (Brian Kraut) 14. RE: Corvair Dimensions (Brian Kraut) 15. West Coast Gathering (John Esch) 16. Re: Auto fuel STC (Orma) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:12:28 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: Re: KR> 64 Days till the Gathering To: "Jim Sellars , KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220047025191228515@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Congratulations, Jim! Joachim > [Original Message] > From: Jim Sellars > To: KRnet > Date: 7/25/2004 1:13:09 PM > Subject: Re: KR> 64 Days till the Gathering > > Mark: > Would you help me to convey to the group that there is another > conversion from Airport orniment to flying KR-2. Today I flew the > KR-2 stock tricycle aircraft for the first time. It is a re-built > aircraft I purchased from G. MacDonald on PEIlast year. It has been > extensively up-graded, and now is a flying model of the type. > Let me tell you that I experienced everything that has been > described by > others on this chat line, and had moments of second thought as I accelerated > down the field at Havelock Flying Club. But this was the day and it simply > had to be given a chance to fly. I'm alittle concerned about the > first climb out as my airspeed indicator may not be very accurate, but > it did eventually climb to 1500 AGL and after a number of circuits, I > made an approach and clean landing, It was a moment for celebration for sure. > Tell me what sort of prop you are operating with, as I need to reassure > myself that the performance it okay with the set-up I have. Fellows > on the > ground seemed to think that I was going pretty fast, but the airspeed > indicator was showing not more then 125MPH. With a EA-81 Soob what > sort of > prop should I be looking for? Any comments? > Best regards > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR Net" > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:42 AM > Subject: KR> 64 Days till the Gathering > > > > You gotta be there!!!! This is where it all happens. The best people > > and > the > > best planes. Do not pass this up, you will regret it if you do. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI > > Flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:29:38 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> 64 Days till the Gathering To: "Jim Sellars" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <007e01c4727d$ba7932c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim, I have a Sterba 56x64 wood prop. I have not flown yet so I can not give you any actual performance on this prop. Also, I have absolutely no Soob experience. Find yourself a GPS and check your airspeed with that against your instrument. Why did you have moments of second thoughts on take off? What was your take off roll? What prop are you using? What is the weight of your plane? BTW: CONGRATULATIONS Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sellars" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: Re: KR> 64 Days till the Gathering > Mark: > Would you help me to convey to the group that there is another > conversion from Airport orniment to flying KR-2. Today I flew the > KR-2 stock tricycle aircraft for the first time. It is a re-built > aircraft I purchased from G. MacDonald on PEIlast year. It has been > extensively up-graded, and now is a flying model of the type. > Let me tell you that I experienced everything that has been > described by > others on this chat line, and had moments of second thought as I accelerated > down the field at Havelock Flying Club. But this was the day and it simply > had to be given a chance to fly. I'm alittle concerned about the > first climb out as my airspeed indicator may not be very accurate, but > it did eventually climb to 1500 AGL and after a number of circuits, I > made an approach and clean landing, It was a moment for celebration for sure. > Tell me what sort of prop you are operating with, as I need to reassure > myself that the performance it okay with the set-up I have. Fellows > on the > ground seemed to think that I was going pretty fast, but the airspeed > indicator was showing not more then 125MPH. With a EA-81 Soob what > sort of > prop should I be looking for? Any comments? > Best regards > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR Net" > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:42 AM > Subject: KR> 64 Days till the Gathering > > > > You gotta be there!!!! This is where it all happens. The best people > > and > the > > best planes. Do not pass this up, you will regret it if you do. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI > > Flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:30:43 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> GATHERING To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <008d01c4727d$e2ced220$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 60 short days. Make your plans now.................BE THERE Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:37:16 -0800 From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Re: KR> 5in tire pressure To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003e01c47287$2caad0c0$df6074ce@alk1e9f7i3pcg3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry, What gear have you got? Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: KR> 5in tire pressure > What tire pressure should I put in the 5in main wheels? I have heard > everything from 25 to 50 PSI. > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:49:39 -0800 From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Re: KR> Oil Pressure - What's Up? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005801c47288$e75e1d40$df6074ce@alk1e9f7i3pcg3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, The sending unit is a pressure regulated resistor and will read high? with on ignition. When you have engine run it will read the correct pressure if the sending unit is the correct one. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" ; "Corvaircraft" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: KR> Oil Pressure - What's Up? > The last time I ran my engine prior to making a new starter mount / housing, my oil pressure gauge was working perfect. To remove the old starter mount / housing, I also had to remove the oil sending unit. Therefor, I disconnected the wire at the sender. I noticed in the mean time as I was working on my plane, if I turned the ignition to on, the oil pressure gauge would max out. I think this is normal with the sender disconnected. Anyway, I reinstalled the sender after I made the new mount / housing. I then went to attach the wire and twisted the post right off. Bummer.... I ordered a new $35 sender and it arrived today. I installed it, attached the gauge wire, turned the ignition to on and the gauge immediately maxed out. What's up with that. Is it possible the new sender is bad? Is there a way to test the sender? > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:09:23 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Oil Pressure - What's Up? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009b01c47283$47bbf8c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks everyone....the sender was bad. Wick's sent me one out UPS at no charge and gave me their UPS number to return the defective one to them. No questions asked...no hassle and a big apology for my troubles. The even took back a switch I had ordered incorrectly and gave me a full refund. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Friesen" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 3:49 PM Subject: Re: KR> Oil Pressure - What's Up? > Mark, > The sending unit is a pressure regulated resistor and will read high? > with on ignition. When you have engine run it will read the correct pressure if > the sending unit is the correct one. Al > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR Net" ; "Corvaircraft" > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:03 PM > Subject: KR> Oil Pressure - What's Up? > > > > The last time I ran my engine prior to making a new starter mount / > housing, my oil pressure gauge was working perfect. To remove the old > starter mount / housing, I also had to remove the oil sending unit. > Therefor, I disconnected the wire at the sender. I noticed in the mean time > as I was working on my plane, if I turned the ignition to on, the oil > pressure gauge would max out. I think this is normal with the sender > disconnected. Anyway, I reinstalled the sender after I made the new > mount / > housing. I then went to attach the wire and twisted the post right > off. Bummer.... I ordered a new $35 sender and it arrived today. I > installed it, > attached the gauge wire, turned the ignition to on and the gauge immediately > maxed out. What's up with that. Is it possible the new sender is bad? > Is there a way to test the sender? > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:48:44 -0700 From: "Russ Fenlason" Subject: Re: KR> EAA groups To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <000f01c47299$8a5c8b20$0200a8c0@AMBULANCKRM15J> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I also have been disappointed with the EAA groups in my area. They seem to exist as a social-party entity.When I talk about building something their response is generally something like " we can't be bothered with something like that. That takes time, we want to fly." While I admit they do some good things, Young Eagles etc., I sure haven't gotten any help or even encouragement towards building an airplane. You guys on KRnet ( and the gathering) have been much more of an inspiration than I've ever gotten from EAA. I've actually gotten back to working on my plane and it might fly by next year if I can get all the little things I know little about past the FAA inspector. Russ asiruss@702com.net. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:54:32 +1200 From: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" Subject: RE: KR> EAA groups To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <3FDA426A179FB442B271B033E79F76F8092820@wg-exchange.ucol.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My experience here in New Zealand has been much the same (our national group is called SAANZ). For me, when I was building my RV-6, it was the RV-list that provided the help and support. I notice that some, larger, chapters seem to have a very active membership, with regular meetings and fly-ins and chapter projects. Other chapters seem to be less active. I did help get a chapter started in my area, but must admit that the demands of construction meant that I didn't actually put much effort into it. So I think that EAA chapters are actually run and organised by homebuilt fliers, rather than homebuilders. And of course, once you've got a great plane to fly, that's where your interest will lie. I think the lack of interest may also be partly because plane-builders tend to be individualists. If you were a social groupie people-person, you probably wouldn't be able to stand 100s of hours working by yourself. I have also found that meeting with individual RV-builders, especially those working in a similar area to of the plane to you, is very helpful. Through the EAA chapter, find out who's building a KR in your area, and invite yourself round to have a look at what he's doing and/or what he did on the part you're working on. Most builders love to talk about what they're doing, and are generous with advice and suggestions. I used to regularly drive to another town a couple of hundred miles away, and on the way back I'd drop in on an RV builder. We'd get talking, and it would yet another 2am return home. Frank -----Original Message----- From: Russ Fenlason [mailto:asiruss@702com.net] I also have been disappointed with the EAA groups in my area. They seem to exist as a social-party entity.When I talk about building something their response is generally something like " we can't be bothered with something like that. That takes time, we want to fly." While I admit they do some good things, Young Eagles etc., I sure haven't gotten any help or even encouragement towards building an airplane. You guys on KRnet ( and the gathering) have been much more of an inspiration than I've ever gotten from EAA. I've actually gotten back to working on my plane and it might fly by next year if I can get all the little things I know little about past the FAA inspector. ____________________________________________________ Learn real skills for the real world - Apply online at http://www.ucol.ac.nz or call 0800 GO UCOL (0800 46 8265) or txt free 3388 for more information and make a good move to UCOL – Universal College of Learning. Enrol with a public institute and be certain of your future ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:30:05 -0400 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> EAA groups To: "KRnet" , Message-ID: <01d201c47296$eff15d10$647ba8c0@oemcomputer> Russ, I guess I'm lucky to be a member of EAA 974 (and a neighbor to EAA 174), even if not perfect. On the rare occasion when I have to ask for help, I get it. The reason my requests are rare is because I usually get help before I have to ask, from a Technical Advisor or another member. If I were a member of a local EAA chapter and the Technical Advisor repeatedly wouldn't help me, I'd be pretty irritated. In fact, I'd probably stop helping them, eventually. I would think the national EAA would be interested to know which chapters you belong to that won't provide any advice or help, as well as which Technical Advisors won't advise or help. This is incredible to me. My chapter supports local events, Young Eagles, each other, and more. We help and are helped by members of other local chapters. BTW, the FAA primarily does a paperwork inspection. One of those pieces of paper is one you sign that says you've taken care of all those little things as well as all those big things and the ones in between. When it comes to an airplane, I don't want to get anything by the FAA. (And if you're going to be flying over SW Ohio, I hope you don't either.) :-) Good luck on finding a helpful EAA Chapter to join. Ken Jones Member EAA Chapter 974. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Fenlason" > I also have been disappointed with the EAA groups in my area. They > seem to exist as a social-party entity.When I talk about building > something their response is generally something like " we can't be > bothered with something like that. That takes time, we want to fly." > While I admit they do some good > things, Young Eagles etc., I sure haven't gotten any help or even > encouragement towards building an airplane. You guys on KRnet ( and > the > gathering) have been much more of an inspiration than I've ever gotten from > EAA. I've actually gotten back to working on my plane and it might fly > by next year if I can get all the little things I know little about > past the FAA inspector. > Russ asiruss@702com.net. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:00:18 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Engine Mount Material To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002401c472ab$ebeb0a80$8f3cd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net In my engine buildup project I have just discovered that the modification to my accessory case for the installation of the Subaru starter fits ok, but the engine mount must be altered to allow room for the starter. I need information about engine mount material. What is the typical size and wall thickness that most of the KR mounts in use. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:30:14 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Engine Mount Material To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 4130 tube, 5/8" diameter, .049" wall. How do your gathering plans look? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Orma Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:00 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Engine Mount Material Hello Net In my engine buildup project I have just discovered that the modification to my accessory case for the installation of the Subaru starter fits ok, but the engine mount must be altered to allow room for the starter. I need information about engine mount material. What is the typical size and wall thickness that most of the KR mounts in use. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:46:53 -0400 From: "Chris Barber" Subject: Re: KR> Corvair Dimensions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would am extremely interested in getting a copy of this CAD drawing too. Thanks, Chris Barber ----- Original Message ----- From: "StRaNgEdAyS" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: RE: KR> Corvair Dimensions > Could I possibly get a copy of that file? > I'm redrawing my modified plans out in Rhino 3D and I could use a > scale drawing of the corvair engine. > > Cheers. > Peter Bancks > strangedays@dodo.com.au > http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:51:23 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> Auto fuel STC To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is not KR related, but I know there are several knowledgeable engine people on the list. I am buying a half share of a 1962 172C with a Continental O-300 engine that has an auto fuel STC. The STC says that 87 octane can be used, but the current owner is using only 93 and also putting in 100LL every third tank. The engine has about 900 hours one it and it starts and runs great and the compression checks very good. He says that he can't tell any difference with the avgas or the auto fuel. My question is is there a reason to put in the avgas every third tank or is it better to run it just on the auto fuel except when it is away from home and only avgas is available? With our usage the plane will be fueled away from home at least one or two out of every ten tanks. Keeping up with the alternating fuel types is not that easy in a partnership. The fair way to buy fuel in a partnership is for each partner to fill it up after using it, but that can get lopsided if one partner is filling mostly with auto fuel and the other with avgas. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:53:33 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Corvair Dimensions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Me too. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Chris Barber Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:47 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Corvair Dimensions I would am extremely interested in getting a copy of this CAD drawing too. Thanks, Chris Barber ----- Original Message ----- From: "StRaNgEdAyS" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: RE: KR> Corvair Dimensions > Could I possibly get a copy of that file? > I'm redrawing my modified plans out in Rhino 3D and I could use a > scale drawing of the corvair engine. > > Cheers. > Peter Bancks > strangedays@dodo.com.au > http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:15:51 -0700 From: "John Esch" Subject: KR> West Coast Gathering To: Message-ID: <002101c472be$db630970$0100a8c0@VAIO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All I am keeping a list, to include email addresses, of who would be interested in a West Coast Gathering. So far I have 12 people, including myself. It might be too late for this year or not. Feelings? John Esch KR-2SSW Independence, OR (7S5) ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:38:08 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Auto fuel STC To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001201c472c1$f8c437c0$8f3cd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The STC states that it is safe to run the engine on 87. There is no legal or technical reason to ever use 100LL. However some owners believe that something is missing from the auto fuel and occasionally put in 100LL, to help extent the ware on the engine. I sometimes work on aircraft where the owners place all sorts of concoctions in the fuel in the name of extending the life. It is my belief that how you operate the engine and how often you service the engine will do more to extend the lift then any thing else one might try. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 47 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================