From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 48 Date: 7/26/2004 8:59:52 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Auto fuel STC (Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)) 2. RE: West Coast Gathering (Douglas Dorfmeier) 3. Re: West Coast Gathering (Scott & Jane) 4. Outside air temperature probe (Ralph H Snyder) 5. Auto fuel vs Avgas (Colin & Bev Rainey) 6. EAA (Colin & Bev Rainey) 7. Sectionals (Colin & Bev Rainey) 8. Re: Sectionals (Mark Jones) 9. Pin out info (Jack Cooper) 10. Re: Pin out info (Mark Jones) 11. Outside air temperature probe (larry flesner) 12. Getting Closer (Mark Jones) 13. Re: Pin out info (Brian Kraut) 14. KR-2S Still for Sale (Scott Cable) 15. Re: EAA (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 16. Re: @WL Re: KR> Pin out info (gleone) 17. Re: EAA groups/assistance (Ron Eason) 18. Re: Sectionals (Richard Green) 19. Re: EAA (Joachim Saupe) 20. Re: West Coast Gathering (Al Friesen) 21. RE: Tax Bills (larry severson) 22. Re: Getting Closer (Lee Van Dyke) 23. Re: Getting Closer (Bernard McLean Sr) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:10:50 +1200 From: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" Subject: RE: KR> Auto fuel STC To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <3FDA426A179FB442B271B033E79F76F8092823@wg-exchange.ucol.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My understanding is that some older car engines need lead to prevent valve recession, whatever that is. The lead gets deposited on the valve seat and lubricates the valve in some way. It is necessary to 'top up' the lead deposits periodically by running leaded fuel. I don't know whether any of this applies to your engine or not. Some partnerships charge partners per hour for usage of the aircraft, including an allowance for maintenance, and including an allowance for fuel. Frank -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kraut [mailto:brian.kraut@engalt.com] Sent: Monday, 26 July 2004 1:51 p.m. To: KRnet Subject: KR> Auto fuel STC My question is is there a reason to put in the avgas every third tank or is it better to run it just on the auto fuel except when it is away from home and only avgas is available? With our usage the plane will be fueled away from home at least one or two out of every ten tanks. Keeping up with the alternating fuel types is not that easy in a partnership. The fair way to buy fuel in a partnership is for each partner to fill it up after using it, but that can get lopsided if one partner is filling mostly with auto fuel and the other with avgas. ____________________________________________________ Learn real skills for the real world - Apply online at http://www.ucol.ac.nz or call 0800 GO UCOL (0800 46 8265) or txt free 3388 for more information and make a good move to UCOL – Universal College of Learning. Enrol with a public institute and be certain of your future ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:11:44 -0700 From: "Douglas Dorfmeier" Subject: RE: KR> West Coast Gathering To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed John, I would be interested in attending a West Coast gathering. It would be great if we could put something together that would become an annual event. My email is douglas_dorfmeier@msn.com. >From: "John Esch" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: >Subject: KR> West Coast Gathering >Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:15:51 -0700 > >All >I am keeping a list, to include email addresses, of who would be >interested in a West Coast Gathering. So far I have 12 people, including >myself. >It might be too late for this year or not. Feelings? > >John Esch >KR-2SSW >Independence, OR (7S5) >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:22:36 -0700 From: "Scott & Jane" Subject: Re: KR> West Coast Gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00a001c472c8$2e3c83c0$8a5c6944@scott> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am interested in attending. A 100% commitment will depend on the time and location of the event. Please add me to your list. I will be interested in ride sharing. Scott Carroll scott.jane@cox.net San Diego, Ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Esch" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: KR> West Coast Gathering > All > I am keeping a list, to include email addresses, of who would be interested in a West Coast Gathering. So far I have 12 people, including myself. > It might be too late for this year or not. Feelings? > > John Esch > KR-2SSW > Independence, OR (7S5) _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:15:16 -0700 From: Ralph H Snyder Subject: KR> Outside air temperature probe To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040725.231518.-3609107.1.ralphndori@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Could someone tell me where the best place is to install my outside air temperature probe. Does it need to be in dead air for a correct reading, or will it read correct in the airstream? I was thinking of putting it through the bottom so it will not be in direct sunlight. Thanks Ralph Snyder Burbank CA ralphndori@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:33:37 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Auto fuel vs Avgas To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004901c472e2$ddbb6e00$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Brian it is my understanding that Avgas does not have alcohol in it, and the auto fuel contains no lead so that it does increase valve seat wear when used in an engine that does not have hardened seats installed. This was a big problem in 1975 and on for all 1974 and older vehicles because they were set up for lead and head/valvetrain life was dramatically shortened. A simple fix was to have the heads pulled and 3 angle valve job performed and hardened seats installed at the same time. This was the only adjustment that had to made besides a small timing adjustment, since the overall octane did go down, so timing and later engine compression was reduced to compensate. Only when the use of EGR valves and computer controlled timing with knock sensors and the like was incorporated was the compression brought back up in later engines. If the O-300 does not have hardened seats then it will be necessary to either run 100LL periodically, or use a lead additive substitute to lubricate the valves, and prevent accelerated seat wear. If the timing has been adjusted properly for auto gas use, then no other consideration should be necessary. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:55:38 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> EAA To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007301c472e5$f0cfbd40$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To the groups credit let me clearify why I was getting in touch with EAA, and yes up until last year I had been a member since I was 12 years old, saw the first release of the original Vans RV4, some 28 years ago! I think that I am showing that I am serious as a builder/owner when our aircraft has had an initial inspection performed on it, and is waiting for final inspection to be signed off to fly! I contacted the EAA Chapters here, in Orlando, and in Daytona to get the assistance of a Tech Counselor at the recommendation of my FSDO Inspector to make sure the aircraft was truly ready to re-inspect. Orlando gave no response at all, after 2 attempts at calls and e-mails. Daytona responded several days after, providing a list a supposed Tech Counselors, and after calling and personally talking to one who re-assured me that he would call back, and arrange for a couple of guys to come over, I have not heard a word. Called one that my President here in Sanford recommended also in Daytona (there are none in Sanford), and he said that he must decline because he ahd a bad experience going behind another Tech Counselor and going over a plane, and that Sanford was too far to drive from Daytona (40 minutes I think). Bottom line is my friend Harry Teal has a Kitfox derivative aircraft and got all the assistance in the world from EAA people. This thing comes like an RV, all pre-punched and ready to assemble like an erector set. The hardest part is the Stits covering. Since this is a plans built plane, everyone suddenly seems to develop amnesia and not call back after making committments, or saying they don't have the time, or don't inspect that kind of plane. This totally saddens me about the state of experimental aircraft and plans built projects. And please don't preach to me that kit built are safer because I lost a friend and fellow Aviation Safety Counselor John Malecki to an RV6 just last year. The KRNet has been ten times what the EAA has been, and I have been a member for some 28 years! Any how thanks alot to the netters and lets keep it going. To the Gathering, and beyond.... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:10:02 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Sectionals To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00bf01c472e7$f3f8fed0$34442141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chris Either I am blind or AOPA does not have sectionals for down load. Mar Jones I cannot get the one site you gave to work. I get the download but it never lets me download the porcessing software needed to open the file after unzipping it. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:00:40 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Sectionals To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002d01c472ff$ca936220$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If you go to www.google.com and do a search on the software patch needed, they will give you a link to download the program. As a matter of fact, if you do a search on Google for "aviation sectionals" you will get several pages of downloadable links for sectionals. That is how I came up with those links I posted. It took about 10 seconds to go to Google and find them. Google is a great search engine and is one of the fastest ways to source information on the internet. No, I do not own stock in Google. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:10 AM Subject: KR> Sectionals > Chris > Either I am blind or AOPA does not have sectionals for down load. > > Mar Jones I cannot get the one site you gave to work. I get the > download but it never lets me download the porcessing software needed to open the file after unzipping it. > > Colin & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA > Sanford, FL > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:05:07 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: KR> Pin out info To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <410-2200471261157406@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone have or know where I can get the pin out schematics for a KX 170 navcom? I thought it was on RST engineering website at one time but have been unable to find it now. I have also been watching ebay for a KX 170 manual. Jack Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:17:35 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Pin out info To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <003f01c47302$27df7020$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jack, Call these folks and they will send you one. They sent me one for my KX-99 free of charge. https://www3.bendixking.com/Login06 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 6:05 AM Subject: KR> Pin out info > Does anyone have or know where I can get the pin out schematics for a > KX 170 navcom? I thought it was on RST engineering website at one time but have been unable to find it now. I have also been watching ebay for a KX 170 manual. > > > Jack Cooper > kr2cooper@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:18:03 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Outside air temperature probe To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040726071803.007ef100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Could someone tell me where the best place is to install my outside air >temperature probe. I was thinking of putting it through the bottom so >it will not be in direct sunlight. Ralph Snyder ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That should work if you have a remote probe. Most units on certified aircraft are one piece with the dial on the end of the probe and are mounted through the windshield at the rear edge. Slip stream or not, it doesn't care. 50 degree air at 0 mph or 150 mph is still 50 degree air. Air motion only matters when computing "wind chill factor" which is the "rate" of heat loss. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:05:02 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: KR> Getting Closer To: KR Net Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902ADA@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain We are in the 50's now. 59 days till the Gathering that is. Don't regret not going. It is the place to be. http://krgathering.org/ Mark Jones Mueller Sales Corporation Ph: 262-781-5310 Fax:262-781-4130 E-mail: mjones@muellersales.com Web: www.muellersales.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:43:53 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Re: KR> Pin out info To: , KRnet Message-ID: <200407260943.AA22282550@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Go to www.aeroelectric.com and click on radio pinouts near the bottom left. I just checked and they have the 170 and 170B. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jack Cooper" Reply-To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KRnet Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:05:07 -0400 >Does anyone have or know where I can get the pin out schematics for a >KX 170 navcom? I thought it was on RST engineering website at one time >but have been unable to find it now. I have also been watching ebay for >a KX 170 manual. > > >Jack Cooper >kr2cooper@earthlink.net >Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. _______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:45:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: KR> KR-2S Still for Sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040726134550.59602.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Netters, Just recieved word from Duncan of Devonport that he had an unfortunate incident which leaves him unable to purchase my KR-2S.... So.... it's back on sale again! You may see details of the construction and progress at: http://kr-builder.org/ScottCable/index.html There are several pictures of the completed canopy/ fuselage if you scroll most of the down the page. Included are: Rand Robinson Wing Skins Motion Flap drive actuator Warp Drive 3 Bladed 56" ground adjustable prop W/ spinner 140 Hp Corvair core engine Starter puck Plans Build Log Newsletters Asking $5000.00 obo (more than $12,000 invested) Project is Located in Wright City, MO. 63390 Contact Scott Cable at: s2cable1@yahoo.com (314) 232-0588 (636) 673-7259 Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:27:10 GMT From: "jscott.pilot@juno.com" Subject: Re: KR> EAA To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040726.072759.17147.80477@webmail20.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Colin, As an EAA tech counselor, I'll write a response to your problem. In defense of the Tech Counselor program, there are very few tech counselors with any expertise in wood working, and ever fewer with expertise in fiberglass. The tech counselors you're dealing with may feel unqualified, or at the least unenthusiastic with regards to a wood and glass, VW powered airplane. Conversely, my expertise is not in sheet metal. However, I will do inspections of sheet metal airplanes, but make sure the builders know up front that I am looking at general safety related problems, not at the quality of their rivit work. I can look over their rivit work, but consider them to be generally more knowledgable about the quality of their sheet metal work than I am. Secondly, KRs have a less than stellar reputation. Many tech counselors and mechanics won't touch them. A few years ago, a pilot near here bought a KR and had a very difficult time finding any A&P that would even go near it. They all told him that KRs are dangerous and that he would be better off to scrap it. I looked it over for him and helped him do a proper W&B, then recommended a mechanic that would probably be willing to inspect if for him. He chose to ignore some of the recommendations I made for improvements that needed to be done before the plane flew. Eventually, he proved the local mechanic right by destroying the plane on landing following a nosewheel shimmy problem (something I had recommended be changed). Tech counselors are unpaid volunteers, but the EAA isn't going to come to their defense if someone's widow decides to sue citing neglegence in inspecting a plane they had no expertise in the proper skills to build. If the tech counselor (like many mechanics) considers the KR to be a dangerous design that should not be flown or a VW to be an unairworthy engine, he probably has no business inspecting it. This is not the way I work as a tech counselor, but I can understand why some do. As a third point, I agree with much of your opinion of the EAA. I have dropped my affiliation with the local EAA chapter as airplane builders don't attend meetings anymore because there is nothing for them at the meetings. The meetings are a social party to discuss Young Eagles and the latest political problem at the local airports. While I think the Young Eagles program is a worthy cause, I didn't join the EAA to be browbeat about flying kids every month. Regards, Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM -- "Colin & Bev Rainey" wrote: To the groups credit let me clearify why I was getting in touch with EAA, and yes up until last year I had been a member since I was 12 years old, saw the first release of the original Vans RV4, some 28 years ago! I think that I am showing that I am serious as a builder/owner when our aircraft has had an initial inspection performed on it, and is waiting for final inspection to be signed off to fly! ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:00:23 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: @WL Re: KR> Pin out info To: Message-ID: <41051C87.00000D.03348@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I needed a pin out for an EdoAire 563/A. The avionics guy at the Greybull airport pulled it up for me in his book of radio pin outs. It's another place you can check. Gene in Wyoming When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be surprised if they learn their lesson. -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 07/26/04 05:16:12 To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net; KRnet Subject: @WL Re: KR> Pin out info Jack, Call these folks and they will send you one. They sent me one for my KX-99 free of charge. https://www3.bendixking.com/Login06 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 6:05 AM Subject: KR> Pin out info > Does anyone have or know where I can get the pin out schematics for a KX 170 navcom? I thought it was on RST engineering website at one time but have been unable to find it now. I have also been watching ebay for a KX 170 manual. > > > Jack Cooper > kr2cooper@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:51:19 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> EAA groups/assistance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008e01c47328$648d6290$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Our chapter [Roosterville] is a good chapter now, how ever, it use to be pretty boring. We now have CFI's,A&P's, IA's, builders and they are active with 50% or more at meetings they are serious about EAA's image. It takes involvement and you need to express your individual interest to promote dialog in the group. I agree, there is a lot of social activities to promote aviation and that is good and necessary because that is the only way the public has any contact with our interest. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:09 AM Subject: KR> EAA groups/assistance > > Anyway, it has made my mind up that membership is for bragging rights > only and I get 10 times the value for my money from AOPA than EAA. > >Colin Rainey > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Colin, > > Sorry to hear you're not getting the assistance you're looking for. Each > EAA chapter will be as different as the people that make it up. Each > chapter however should have a Tech councilor(s) that can provide you > with the guidance or info you're looking for. If they don't know they > should know who knows. Find out who they are and contact them > directly with your request. > > We have three chapters here in southern Illinois and each one is as > different as any three churches on the block. One is a large group > of mostly older members with a lot of expertise, another is a > smaller group of mostly builders, and the third is group that is very > active in local airport affairs as well as putting on several fly-ins, > promoting Young Eagles and recognizing veterans. > > The help is out there, you just have to root it out. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Green Subject: Re: KR> Sectionals To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040726160518.40439.qmail@web80709.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.aeroplanner.com/ There is a free basic version, you can get to it via the EAA members section. Mark Jones wrote:If you go to www.google.com and do a search on the software patch needed, they will give you a link to download the program. As a matter of fact, if you do a search on Google for "aviation sectionals" you will get several pages of downloadable links for sectionals. That is how I came up with those links I posted. It took about 10 seconds to go to Google and find them. Google is a great search engine and is one of the fastest ways to source information on the internet. No, I do not own stock in Google. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:10 AM Subject: KR> Sectionals > Chris > Either I am blind or AOPA does not have sectionals for down load. > > Mar Jones I cannot get the one site you gave to work. I get the download but it never lets me download the porcessing software needed to open the file after unzipping it. > > Colin & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA > Sanford, FL > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:29:40 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: Re: KR> EAA To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220047126182940859@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Thank you for the insight, Jef Joachim > [Original Message] > From: jscott.pilot@juno.com > To: > Date: 7/26/2004 9:29:08 AM > Subject: Re: KR> EAA > > > Colin, > > As an EAA tech counselor, I'll write a response to your problem. > > In defense of the Tech Counselor program, there are very few tech counselors with any expertise in wood working, and ever fewer with expertise in fiberglass. The tech counselors you're dealing with may feel unqualified, or at the least unenthusiastic with regards to a wood and glass, VW powered airplane. Conversely, my expertise is not in sheet metal. However, I will do inspections of sheet metal airplanes, but make sure the builders know up front that I am looking at general safety related problems, not at the quality of their rivit work. I can look over their rivit work, but consider them to be generally more knowledgable about the quality of their sheet metal work than I am. > > Secondly, KRs have a less than stellar reputation. Many tech counselors and mechanics won't touch them. A few years ago, a pilot near here bought a KR and had a very difficult time finding any A&P that would even go near it. They all told him that KRs are dangerous and that he would be better off to scrap it. I looked it over for him and helped him do a proper W&B, then recommended a mechanic that would probably be willing to inspect if for him. He chose to ignore some of the recommendations I made for improvements that needed to be done before the plane flew. Eventually, he proved the local mechanic right by destroying the plane on landing following a nosewheel shimmy problem (something I had recommended be changed). > > Tech counselors are unpaid volunteers, but the EAA isn't going to come to their defense if someone's widow decides to sue citing neglegence in inspecting a plane they had no expertise in the proper skills to build. If the tech counselor (like many mechanics) considers the KR to be a dangerous design that should not be flown or a VW to be an unairworthy engine, he probably has no business inspecting it. This is not the way I work as a tech counselor, but I can understand why some do. > > As a third point, I agree with much of your opinion of the EAA. I have dropped my affiliation with the local EAA chapter as airplane builders don't attend meetings anymore because there is nothing for them at the meetings. The meetings are a social party to discuss Young Eagles and the latest political problem at the local airports. While I think the Young Eagles program is a worthy cause, I didn't join the EAA to be browbeat about flying kids every month. > > Regards, > > Jeff Scott > Los Alamos, NM > > > > -- "Colin & Bev Rainey" wrote: > To the groups credit let me clearify why I was getting in touch with EAA, and yes up until last year I had been a member since I was 12 years old, saw the first release of the original Vans RV4, some 28 years ago! > > I think that I am showing that I am serious as a builder/owner when our aircraft has had an initial inspection performed on it, and is waiting for final inspection to be signed off to fly! > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:54:17 -0800 From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Re: KR> West Coast Gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001f01c4734a$55cf2730$df6074ce@alk1e9f7i3pcg3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John, I would attend a west coast meet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Esch" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:15 PM Subject: KR> West Coast Gathering > All > I am keeping a list, to include email addresses, of who would be interested in a West Coast Gathering. So far I have 12 people, including myself. > It might be too late for this year or not. Feelings? > > John Esch > KR-2SSW > Independence, OR (7S5) > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:43:24 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: RE: KR> Tax Bills To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040726164218.00bc31d8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:38 PM 7/22/2004 -0700, you wrote: >They didn't have any good explanation for setting value...I guess it just >sounded good to them. Another KR on our field got his tax bill, it was only >$43.00. I guess his is assessed at $4300.00 Demand the same assessment, or that their assessor buy your plane at the assessed value. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:51:02 -0500 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: Re: KR> Getting Closer To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c4737c$2c56ee10$6501a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have purchased the plane tickets, and will be attending Thur, Fri, Sat, and departing Sun. Looking forward to seeing all kinds of different KR's. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: KR> Getting Closer > We are in the 50's now. 59 days till the Gathering that is. Don't regret not > going. It is the place to be. > http://krgathering.org/ > > Mark Jones > Mueller Sales Corporation > Ph: 262-781-5310 > Fax:262-781-4130 > E-mail: mjones@muellersales.com > Web: www.muellersales.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:25:19 -0500 From: Bernard McLean Sr Subject: Re: KR> Getting Closer To: KRnet Message-ID: <4105BD0F.90408@northboone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed We're all set to go too! Won't be flying my KR this year (just getting ready to set the center spars...cut 1 main rib today :-) ). We booked a room at The Holiday Inn for Thurs, Fri and Sat. Does anyone know if this hotel provides daily transport back and forth to the airport? We look forward to seeing lots of KRs and picking lots of brains! Bernie and Carla McLean ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 48 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================