From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 49 Date: 7/27/2004 8:59:52 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: West Coast Gathering (rickcoy@comcast.net) 2. Re: lack of power and over sensitivity (Al Friesen) 3. Re: lack of power and over sensitivity (Robert L. Stone) 4. Re: lack of power and over sensitivity (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 5. Time to decide (Bernard McLean Sr) 6. Re: law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot (BABYWOLF@aol.com) 7. Re: Time to decide (BABYWOLF@aol.com) 8. Re: law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot (Dana Overall) 9. Re: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity (skphil@charter.net) 10. Re: law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot (Joachim Saupe) 11. Re: law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot (larry severson) 12. Re: Time to decide (Dan Heath) 13. Intake Deflector for revflow (Flymaca711689@aol.com) 14. Re: Time to decide (Allen Wiesner ) 15. Re: Time to decide (Bernard McLean Sr) 16. Re: Time to decide (Mark Jones) 17. Re: Time to decide (StRaNgEdAyS) 18. Re: @WL Re: KR> law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot (gleone) 19. Re: lack of power and over sensitivity (cartera) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:22:56 +0000 From: rickcoy@comcast.net Subject: KR> RE: West Coast Gathering To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <072720040422.18726.4105D8A0000175C800004926220074567297010C050C079D@comcast.net> Hi John, I'm building my KR-2 just outside of San Francisco and am interested in a West Coast Gathering. Regards, Rick Coykendall >To: >Subject: KR> West Coast Gathering >Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:15:51 -0700 > >All >I am keeping a list, to include email addresses, of who would be >interested in a West Coast Gathering. So far I have 12 people, including >myself. >It might be too late for this year or not. Feelings? > >John Esch >KR-2SSW >Independence, OR (7S5) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:43:25 -0800 From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001f01c47411$fba50ae0$df6074ce@alk1e9f7i3pcg3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All, After 200 hours with my 2100 Revmaster I need to do the valves. The local rebuilder says to use Auto high test as the compression is low, the lead in the avgas is putting deposites on the valve stems as well as the oil. He is checking the springs and will put on some O rings to limit oil down the stems. You guys running the Revmaster with a Revflow carb, how are you mounting it? I have mine the way the engine manual shows. Th e fuel enters on the left side I put a stainless (from firewall material) deflector aft of the carb throat. This brings the right cyls down in temp.If anybody is using this deflector change it every annual or 100 hours. n Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity > RE: One glaring deficiency with the KR series aircraft has been lack > of power and over sensitivity of controls and since Jeanette seems as > though she is not interested in addressing these problems > > > > If you build a REAL KR2 or KR2S, this is an absolute false statement. While > I don't think that Jeanette takes care of business, she is not in the > business of re-designing the KR, beyond what has already been done. > There are issues with the KR, but they are not what was cited in that > statement. > > > > We constantly read stuff like this on the net, and persons new to the > KR, may believe some of this. I am always reading about how over > sensitive the KR is, from people who have never flown one. And then, > when a new KR is born > all I can read about is how great it flys and what fun it is. > > > > That does not read like a plane that is under powered and over > sensitive. Build it, fly it, and then tell us about it. > > > > "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for > building has long since expired." > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:38:49 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity To: Message-ID: <4106AF49.000006.03268@YOUR-AT5QGAAC3Z> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jeanette Rand is neglecting her business and everyone on the net seem to know this except you. I have seen many post's complaining about her not responding to requests for information/help. She even ignores people who are trying to order plans or kits. I have also seen many statements from people who have built and are flying concerning the sensitivity of the KR-2 because of the large ailerons and short fuselage. If all of these things are not true, then explain why there are so many complaints. Because of her obvious lack of interest in her customers and those who ares trying to be customers, some of our members are trying to buy the company but they tell me that she wants way too much money for it. Now go ahead and flame all you want to but the truth is the truth. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 07/27/04 13:45:01 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity All, After 200 hours with my 2100 Revmaster I need to do the valves. The local rebuilder says to use Auto high test as the compression is low, the lead in the avgas is putting deposites on the valve stems as well as the oil. He is checking the springs and will put on some O rings to limit oil down the stems. You guys running the Revmaster with a Revflow carb, how are you mounting it? I have mine the way the engine manual shows. Th e fuel enters on the left side I put a stainless (from firewall material) deflector aft of the carb throat. This brings the right cyls down in temp.If anybody is using this deflector change it every annual or 100 hours. n Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity > RE: One glaring deficiency with the KR series aircraft has been lack > of > power and over sensitivity of controls and since Jeanette seems as > though > she is not interested in addressing these problems > > > > If you build a REAL KR2 or KR2S, this is an absolute false statement. While > I don't think that Jeanette takes care of business, she is not in the > business of re-designing the KR, beyond what has already been done. > There > are issues with the KR, but they are not what was cited in that > statement. > > > > We constantly read stuff like this on the net, and persons new to the > KR, > may believe some of this. I am always reading about how over sensitive > the > KR is, from people who have never flown one. And then, when a new KR > is born > all I can read about is how great it flys and what fun it is. > > > > That does not read like a plane that is under powered and over > sensitive. > Build it, fly it, and then tell us about it. > > > > "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for > building has long since expired." > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:58:54 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040727.155854.1884.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii GO BUILD something else, Virg On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:38:49 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) "Robert L. Stone" writes: > Jeanette Rand is neglecting her business and everyone on the net seem > to > know this except you. I have seen many post's complaining about her > not > responding to requests for information/help. She even ignores people > who are > trying to order plans or kits. > > I have also seen many statements from people who have built and are > flying > concerning the sensitivity of the KR-2 because of the large ailerons > and > short fuselage. If all of these things are not true, then explain > why there > are so many complaints. Because of her obvious lack of interest in > her > customers and those who ares trying to be customers, some of our > members are > trying to buy the company but they tell me that she wants way too > much money > for it. Now go ahead and flame all you want to but the truth is the > truth. > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: KRnet > > Date: 07/27/04 13:45:01 > > To: KRnet > > Subject: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity > > > > All, > > After 200 hours with my 2100 Revmaster I need to do the valves. The > local > > rebuilder says to use Auto high test as the compression is low, the > lead in > > the avgas is putting deposites on the valve stems as well as the > oil. He is > > checking the springs and will put on some O rings to limit oil down > the > > stems. You guys running the Revmaster with a Revflow carb, how are > you > > mounting it? I have mine the way the engine manual shows. > > Th > > e fuel enters > > on the left side I put a stainless (from firewall material) > deflector aft > > of the carb throat. This brings the right cyls down in temp.If > anybody is > > using this deflector change it every annual or 100 hours. > > > > n Heath" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:31 PM > > Subject: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity > > > > > > > RE: One glaring deficiency with the KR series aircraft has been > lack of > > > power and over sensitivity of controls and since Jeanette seems as > though > > > she is not interested in addressing these problems > > > > > > > > > > > > If you build a REAL KR2 or KR2S, this is an absolute false > statement. > > While > > > I don't think that Jeanette takes care of business, she is not in > the > > > business of re-designing the KR, beyond what has already been > done. There > > > are issues with the KR, but they are not what was cited in that > statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > We constantly read stuff like this on the net, and persons new to > the KR, > > > may believe some of this. I am always reading about how over > sensitive the > > > KR is, from people who have never flown one. And then, when a new > KR is > > born > > > all I can read about is how great it flys and what fun it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > That does not read like a plane that is under powered and over > sensitive. > > > Build it, fly it, and then tell us about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time > for > > > building has long since expired." > > > > > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > > > > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:31:17 -0500 From: Bernard McLean Sr Subject: KR> Time to decide To: KRnet Message-ID: <4106D7B5.5050300@northboone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well, I have taken the boat about as far as I can before I set the center spars. My problem is this; I have cut 2 inner wing ribs from 3/32 plywood using the original plans I bought in 1986 (the plans supplement I bought late last year did not include a full size inboard rib template, only the outer ribs, so I used the only full size template I had). When positioned on the fuselage sides over the spar holes, the chord lines on the ribs show exactly 3.5 degrees positive incidence (as called for by the construction manual). Now I am torn between following the manual or using something less than 3.5 degrees to yield a more "normal" in-flight nose up/down attitude. Then I ask myself, "If I use less than 3.5 degrees at the fuselage, what happens to the normal wing tip washout of +.5 degrees...does it become negative? stay the same or what?" I don't want to make a decision to use less than 3.5*, epoxy the spars into position, and discover that it won't work. I thought about waiting until I could speak to builders at Mount Vernon but am ready now to set the spars. Any opinions and other ideas would be appreciated. Also, does anyone know of an EAA tech counselor in Northern Illinois? I couldn't find one on the EAA registry. Bernie McLean Poplar Grove IL ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:40:50 -0400 From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <6546CD73.498635E1.00625FCA@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 When ever you pass a law it seldom has its intended effect but it always has unintended consequences. Now that I have saved enough $ for a set of RR wing skins I am concerned that KR airplanes may become orphans as there is a movement to the less regulated new sport planes. I am wondering if there is any interest in getting donating some $ and working on getting a wing design that will allow for the lower sport plane stall speed? >>   >> >>   >> >> _______________________________________ >> >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> > > >Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL >www.lubedealer.com/salisbury >Miami ,Fl > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:47:37 -0400 From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Time to decide To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <1A97F918.2BDE7C59.00625FCA@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I am at about the same stage your are at with the KR boat-I have not yet closed both sides of my spars. Did you get your spars inspected before you closed them Is this inspection still necessary? Garry Cowles 310 Catron Santa FE NM ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:08:34 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: BABYWOLF@aol.com I am wondering if there is any interest in getting donating some $ and working on getting a wing design that will allow for the lower sport plane stall speed? Not even going to start the KRMotorglider thing as I sure there are going to be a ton of new motorglider designs hit the market but remember, sport pilot also has a new of max 120 kts. and not just the stall. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:41:59 +0000 From: Subject: Re: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity To: KRnet Message-ID: <391q2v$47db2s@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm sorry but I have to chime in Order my plans in April of 2003 and got them May 7, 2003. Called Jeannette and left a message asking about a supplement for the landing gear. Jeannette called me back said she would send it out as soon as she could. And I got it within a few days. FREE. As those whom were at the sun n fun dinner got to attest to. A phone call was made and to Jeannette's surprise we all got to talk to her. Although I have not ordered Kit parts from RR. I have had excellent response. TRY again. LEAVE a message. Building spars. Can't wait to haul ass for less. Steven Phillabaum Auburn Alabama Spars > > From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY > Date: 2004/07/27 Tue PM 07:58:54 GMT > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity > > GO BUILD something else, Virg > > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:38:49 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) "Robert L. > Stone" writes: > > Jeanette Rand is neglecting her business and everyone on the net > > seem > > to > > know this except you. I have seen many post's complaining about her > > not > > responding to requests for information/help. She even ignores people > > who are > > trying to order plans or kits. > > > > I have also seen many statements from people who have built and are > > flying > > concerning the sensitivity of the KR-2 because of the large ailerons > > and > > short fuselage. If all of these things are not true, then explain > > why there > > are so many complaints. Because of her obvious lack of interest in > > her > > customers and those who ares trying to be customers, some of our > > members are > > trying to buy the company but they tell me that she wants way too > > much money > > for it. Now go ahead and flame all you want to but the truth is the > > truth. > > > > > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > > > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > > > From: KRnet > > > > Date: 07/27/04 13:45:01 > > > > To: KRnet > > > > Subject: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity > > > > > > > > All, > > > > After 200 hours with my 2100 Revmaster I need to do the valves. The > > local > > > > rebuilder says to use Auto high test as the compression is low, the > > lead in > > > > the avgas is putting deposites on the valve stems as well as the > > oil. He is > > > > checking the springs and will put on some O rings to limit oil down > > the > > > > stems. You guys running the Revmaster with a Revflow carb, how are > > you > > > > mounting it? I have mine the way the engine manual shows. > > > > Th > > > > e fuel enters > > > > on the left side I put a stainless (from firewall material) > > deflector aft > > > > of the carb throat. This brings the right cyls down in temp.If > > anybody is > > > > using this deflector change it every annual or 100 hours. > > > > > > > > n Heath" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:31 PM > > > > Subject: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: One glaring deficiency with the KR series aircraft has been > > lack of > > > > > power and over sensitivity of controls and since Jeanette seems as > > though > > > > > she is not interested in addressing these problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you build a REAL KR2 or KR2S, this is an absolute false > > statement. > > > > While > > > > > I don't think that Jeanette takes care of business, she is not in > > the > > > > > business of re-designing the KR, beyond what has already been > > done. There > > > > > are issues with the KR, but they are not what was cited in that > > statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We constantly read stuff like this on the net, and persons new to > > the KR, > > > > > may believe some of this. I am always reading about how over > > sensitive the > > > > > KR is, from people who have never flown one. And then, when a new > > KR is > > > > born > > > > > all I can read about is how great it flys and what fun it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That does not read like a plane that is under powered and over > > sensitive. > > > > > Build it, fly it, and then tell us about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time > > for > > > > > building has long since expired." > > > > > > > > > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > > > > > > > > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > > > > > > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL > www.lubedealer.com/salisbury > Miami ,Fl > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:43:10 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: Re: KR> law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22004722723431062@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Motorgliders can already be operated without a medical. Just self certification. Also they don't have the speed limitations. > [Original Message] > From: Dana Overall > To: > Date: 7/27/2004 6:08:34 PM > Subject: Re: KR> law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot > > >From: BABYWOLF@aol.com > I am wondering if there is any interest in getting donating some $ and > working on getting a wing design that will allow for the lower sport plane > stall speed? > > > Not even going to start the KRMotorglider thing as I sure there are > going to > be a ton of new motorglider designs hit the market but remember, sport pilot > also has a new of max 120 kts. and not just the stall. > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > do not archive > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:47:51 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040727164513.036a8e28@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Not even going to start the KRMotorglider thing as I sure there are >going to be a ton of new motorglider designs hit the market Cost will still be a factor. Most of the new ones will be $25,000+ > but remember, sport pilot >also has a new of max 120 kts. and not just the stall. This allows for smaller VW engines? High lift, slow speed, less gas, and lower price. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:14:40 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Time to decide To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4106EFF0.000010.01816@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: less than 3.5 degrees at the fuselage, what happens to the normal wing tip washout of +.5 degree I have an opinion and it is only that. Whatever degrees you decide to set it at, you would still want to compensate at the tip so you will still have the washout. If you don't expect to be flying over 170mph on a regular basis, you probably don't even need to be concerned about it. Another opinion is that you will be hard pressed to find a tech counselor who can give you advise on changing the plans on a KR. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:36:09 EDT From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: KR> Intake Deflector for revflow To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1d5.272b78f2.2e384ef9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi to all you airplane nuts in Kr land. Dan or Jerry do you have a photo of your deflector. this seams to be a common problem with the vw regardless of intake system i guess do to longer runners on left bank. mine changes flight to flight egt temps change poor cylinder balance on hot and humid days i see the most change on a nice low humid day its temps are much more uniform and balanced. i do believe troy pettway made something but i never got a hit on the post for vortice generator thanks mac n1055a flying 2w6 st marys airport flymaca711689@aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:28:38 -0400 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> Time to decide To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002701c4743a$f4eb6810$0000a398@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The 3 degrees of washout at the wing tips is a function of how you position the spars at the tips and build the wing, not how the wing is positioned in relation to the fuselage (incidence). If you have already made the outer spars and attached them to the inner spars per the Dims. given in the BP (i.e. drilled/installed the WAF's) then the washout is set. If you haven't made the outer spars yet just make sure that you do follow the BP Dims. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:11:29 -0500 From: Bernard McLean Sr Subject: Re: KR> Time to decide To: KRnet Message-ID: <4106FD41.5000301@northboone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed All of my spars have been finished and closed since 1986 when I had to put this project on hold due to lack of space and time. I wasn't aware that a pre-closing inspection was required for the spars. I just followed the builder's manual and varnished each cavity (not the glued surfaces!) and closed them up. They have been plastic wrapped for the past 18 years and still look fine and fit the fuselage cut-outs perfectly (and yield a perfect 3.5* incidence). It looks like I can't go too far wrong if I follow the manual and use 3.5* washing out to .5* at the tips. Thanks for the input. See you all at Mount Vernon. Bernie McLean ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:23:05 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Time to decide To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006601c47449$d15a30c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There are no required inspections for any phase of building except the airworthiness inspection. Any inspections done prior to airworthiness are purely voluntarily done by EAA Technical Counselors and are not required by the FAA to acquire an airworthiness certificate. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard McLean Sr" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: KR> Time to decide > All of my spars have been finished and closed since 1986 when I had to > put this project on hold due to lack of space and time. I wasn't aware > that a pre-closing inspection was required for the spars. I just > followed the builder's manual and varnished each cavity (not the glued > surfaces!) and closed them up. They have been plastic wrapped for the > past 18 years and still look fine and fit the fuselage cut-outs > perfectly (and yield a perfect 3.5* incidence). It looks like I can't > go too far wrong if I follow the manual and use > 3.5* washing out to .5* at the tips. > Thanks for the input. > See you all at Mount Vernon. > Bernie McLean > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:23:24 +1000 From: "StRaNgEdAyS" Subject: Re: KR> Time to decide To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00c101c4744a$1b8fb020$0101a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My opinion, go with 1° incedence and 2° washout. Cheers. Peter Bancks strangedays@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Re: KR> Time to decide > RE: less than 3.5 degrees at the fuselage, what happens to the normal > wing tip washout of +.5 degree > > > > I have an opinion and it is only that. Whatever degrees you decide to > set it > at, you would still want to compensate at the tip so you will still > have the > washout. If you don't expect to be flying over 170mph on a regular > basis, you probably don't even need to be concerned about it. > > Another opinion is that you will be hard pressed to find a tech > counselor who can give you advise on changing the plans on a KR. > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the > time for building has long since expired." > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:20:15 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: @WL Re: KR> law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot To: Message-ID: <41071B6F.000007.03960@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >also has a new of max 120 kts. and not just the stall. If my memory serves me right, I think the KR-1B has a max speed of around 120. When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be surprised if they learn their lesson. -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 07/27/04 17:08:52 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: @WL Re: KR> law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot >From: BABYWOLF@aol.com I am wondering if there is any interest in getting donating some $ and working on getting a wing design that will allow for the lower sport plane stall speed? Not even going to start the KRMotorglider thing as I sure there are going to be a ton of new motorglider designs hit the market but remember, sport pilot also has a new of max 120 kts. and not just the stall. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:39:26 -0600 From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity To: KRnet Message-ID: <41071FEE.5000600@spots.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed hi Gang, No she's not, she sells plans and not answers your questions. Most of these complaints are from ab nito, low time pilots like yourself who may have only flown factory spam cans and not a low priced, latest technology real airplane. Mine is 20 years old and still going strong, but then again it flown by real old pilots who built is without any complaints ;) without the KR Net. Hope there is a good KR turn out at Airventure. Mr. Stone maybe you should go for an RV or something that is more sophisticated and to your liking;). Robert L. Stone wrote: > Jeanette Rand is neglecting her business and everyone on the net seem > to know this except you. I have seen many post's complaining about her > not responding to requests for information/help. She even ignores > people who are trying to order plans or kits. > > I have also seen many statements from people who have built and are > flying concerning the sensitivity of the KR-2 because of the large > ailerons and short fuselage. If all of these things are not true, then > explain why there are so many complaints. Because of her obvious lack > of interest in her customers and those who ares trying to be > customers, some of our members are trying to buy the company but they > tell me that she wants way too much money for it. Now go ahead and > flame all you want to but the truth is the truth. > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: KRnet > > Date: 07/27/04 13:45:01 > > To: KRnet > > Subject: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity > > > > All, > > After 200 hours with my 2100 Revmaster I need to do the valves. The > local > > rebuilder says to use Auto high test as the compression is low, the > lead in > > the avgas is putting deposites on the valve stems as well as the oil. > He is > > checking the springs and will put on some O rings to limit oil down > the > > stems. You guys running the Revmaster with a Revflow carb, how are you > > mounting it? I have mine the way the engine manual shows. > > Th > > e fuel enters > > on the left side I put a stainless (from firewall material) deflector > aft > > of the carb throat. This brings the right cyls down in temp.If anybody > is > > using this deflector change it every annual or 100 hours. > > > > n Heath" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:31 PM > > Subject: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity > > > > > > >>RE: One glaring deficiency with the KR series aircraft has been lack >>of > > >>power and over sensitivity of controls and since Jeanette seems as >>though > > >>she is not interested in addressing these problems > > > > > >>If you build a REAL KR2 or KR2S, this is an absolute false statement. > > > While > > >>I don't think that Jeanette takes care of business, she is not in the > > >>business of re-designing the KR, beyond what has already been done. >>There > > >>are issues with the KR, but they are not what was cited in that >>statement. > > > > > >>We constantly read stuff like this on the net, and persons new to the >>KR, > > >>may believe some of this. I am always reading about how over sensitive >>the > > >>KR is, from people who have never flown one. And then, when a new KR >>is > > > born > > >>all I can read about is how great it flys and what fun it is. > > > > > >>That does not read like a plane that is under powered and over >>sensitive. > > >>Build it, fly it, and then tell us about it. > > > > > >>"There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for > > >>building has long since expired." > > > >>See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > > >>Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > >>See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > > > >>_______________________________________ > > >>to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > >>please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > . > -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@spots.ab.ca http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 49 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================