From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 51 Date: 7/28/2004 8:59:50 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Help needed to get me started... (Ron Smith) 2. Thanks and goodbye (for now?) (Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)) 3. Re: Time to decide (cartera) 4. Re: Re: should i finish or start with the new wing design? (Scott Cable) 5. Re: Kr business and it flying (cartera) 6. KR inspections (larry flesner) 7. Re: Tech Counselors (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 8. Re: 3 View Drawing (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 9. Re: Tech Counselors (Ron Eason) 10. Engine Gage resource (Ron Eason) 11. RE: 3 View Drawing (Brian Kraut) 12. RE: Time to decide (Brian Kraut) 13. Inspections (Orma) 14. Re: Inspections (Boeing757mech1@aol.com) 15. Re: KR inspections (Dan Heath) 16. RE: 3 View Drawing (Dan Heath) 17. Oshkosh trip (Mark Langford) 18. Re: law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot (Allen Wiesner ) 19. Oshkosh Photo (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Smith Subject: Re: KR> Help needed to get me started... To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040728202701.30147.qmail@web81708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Duncan wrote: Question: If I'm going to be building this bird from scratch, I'll be incorporating some of the 'standard' mods (longer fusalage, laminated & bent spars, new airfoil). Mark Langford's website offers the following comment regarding lengthening the fusalage: "I wouldn't have stretched the stabilizer at all had I possessed the foresight to extend my fuselage length another 14 inches(using the full 14' of longeron material that Wicks ships) by simply adding one more bay behind the aft spar for an increased moment arm." So I guess the question is: When ordering my wood from Wicks/AcSpruce, how long should I ask for the longerons to be? Longer than the 14' standard length shipped by Wicks - they will make them longer if required? How long is optimal - if one has the freedom to choose? Question: If I order longer longerons, will I also need to order extra plywood? My plans haven't arrived yet, and as you can hear, I need a little bit of help to get started... Regards, Duncan Hi Duncan, I got my 5/8 spruce from A.S/S and it comes in 14 foot long sections...18 of them. That's plenty for lengthening the fuselage. I'm ordering the rest of the spruce today as a matter of fact. You will have the most fun in your life putting this stuff together. It has been so telling about myself with regards this process. I have tried to make each piece as precisely as possible and there is great fun in that. More than I would have thought. _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:46:26 +1200 From: "Frank van der Hulst (Staff WG)" Subject: KR> Thanks and goodbye (for now?) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <3FDA426A179FB442B271B033E79F76F8B862AC@wg-exchange.ucol.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I've decided that, for now, a KR-2 isn't the right aircraft for me. Thanks for providing some of the information that helped me make my decision. Frank ____________________________________________________ Learn real skills for the real world - Apply online at http://www.ucol.ac.nz or call 0800 GO UCOL (0800 46 8265) or txt free 3388 for more information and make a good move to UCOL – Universal College of Learning. Enrol with a public institute and be certain of your future ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:59:07 -0600 From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> Time to decide To: KRnet Message-ID: <4108058B.1060500@spots.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Stephen and KR Netters, Take a look at my web site and you will see what I did, may help you with your decision. Adrian Stephen Jacobs wrote: > Now I am torn between following the manual or using something less > than 3.5 degrees to yield a more "normal" in-flight nose up/down > attitude. Then I ask myself, "If I use less than 3.5 degrees at the > fuselage, what happens to the normal wing tip washout of +.5 > degrees...does it become negative? stay the same or what?" > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Bernard > > You have received several replies to this question, most of them > address elements of the topic but I am not sure that you have heard > enough help you make a firm decision. > > If this is old hat ignore, but just in case. > > As you know, washout means setting the wing tips at a lesser incidence > angle (than the inboard side). The purpose for this reduced incidence > at the tip is to ensure that the wing tips stall last (relative to the > rest of the wing). This reduces the likelihood of "tip stalls" (wing > dropping) and makes the airplane less likely to spin when stalled. > Loads more could be said about this, but that is the gist of washout. > > Because it is the improved stalling characteristics at the wing tip > that we want - some airplanes have little (or no) angular washout as > such - instead they have a different wing (airfoil) section at the tip > that stalls at a higher angle (and thus delays the outboard stall). > It is also true that there are aircraft with zero washout of any > nature. > > How much washout? Any amount of washout will contribute to the above > advantage, but as we add washout (reduce incidence over some of the > wing) we also reduce the amount of lift the wing is creating. As > such, washout is good - but only to a point. > > I would suggest that somewhere between 1.5 and 2.5 degrees of reduced > incidence at the tips would NORMALLY be about right. But normally the > washout (wing twist) would start where the wing "starts" - right by > the fuselage. > > Because the KR has a centre section, the washout only starts where the > outer wing panel starts, so we need to get in a bit more twist over a > shorter distance. The angular amount should thus be a bit more - so > maybe 2.0 to 3.0 degrees for a KR. The optimum amount is effected by > so many things (wing section, wing span, wing loading, speed range, > mission requirement, etc.), but I believe that anything in this zone > will do the job. > > To refine your decision, have a close look at web sites like Langford > and Reid - they discuss their reasons for what they have decided on - > these are informed opinions. > > Above we talk about the angular relationship of the wing tip to the > wing root. Your other question is about incidence - the relationship > between the whole wing (washout and all) to the fuselage. > > Kenny made it 3.5 degrees (root) and hundreds of KR's are happily > flying about like that. The little bird looks a bit like an Apache > helicopter on a beat-up, but the nose-down "sit" is a part of the KR > character. So, for openers, the plans way works just fine. > > It is however also true that 3.5 degrees is not very efficient for the > KR as it has evolved, particularly for the airplanes that are aspiring > to 140mph and more. It does not sound like you are using the new wing > section so it is less significant for your KR, but 1.5 to 2 degrees > less than the plans call for may be a good idea. > > Ask 10 guys and you will get 11 different answers. The 12th answer is > (RAF 48) 2 degrees at the root with 2 degrees washout (0 at the tip). > > Take care > Steve J > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > . > -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@spots.ab.ca http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:51:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Re: should i finish or start with the new wing design? To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040728205147.23254.qmail@web53006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Netters: Now here is a fine example of someone with their perverbial Sh** together! Many builders would be able to answer their own questions, if they only review their Mission Statement. I'm one of those anal retentive (yese, I'll even admit it) few that rely upon a Mission Statement. If you don't have one, make one, stick to it. It really does help. OK, I'll get off of my soapbox now!!!! Dan Heath wrote: The answer to this question, lies in your mission statement, or purpose for building this plane. First of all, do you want to build or do you want to fly? Is speed your main purpose and you are willing to do what ever you have to, to get it? That is the beauty of this plane, you get to decide. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:44:47 -0600 From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> Kr business and it flying To: KRnet Message-ID: <4108103F.6050801@spots.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Colin and Netters, Thank You for a very correct/true and objective email, everything you say is like it is and glad to see someone not a wimp and tell us like it is. Happy Flying! Adrian Colin & Bev Rainey wrote: > Bob Stone and netters > > First off I don't think Jeanette neglects her business, I think > that she has an active life and that she takes care of the obvious > customers and those that are shopping sometimes don't receive the > sales pitching that some other kit plane people have folks doing, > which is why your plans cost what they do from Jeanette, instead of > 25-50 thousand dollars for a kit only to get the plane you want. > > Secondly. There is some misunderstanding that an aircraft cannot > be a high performance aircraft just because it is under 200 hp output from its engine. This is merely a mandatory figure supported by the FAA, not an assessment of the industry. The Italian Cri Cri is a high performance airplane, but has twin 40hp 2 cycle engines to power it. A friend of mine flew me in his T-18 with a IO-360 with constant speed prop, which by definition is not high performance, yet at a power setting of 23in and 2300rpms, what would only deliver 120knots in the Piper Arrow, we were scooting along at 165knots. I did a barrel roll at 145knots and never moved the stick more than 1/2 to the side. We did a loop and never pulled back and pushed forward more than 3/4of an inch. This aircraft was as sensitive as the Schweizer helicopter that I flew, but it was wonderful. Large control surfaces mean safety at slow speeds because you never run out of authority if you are within the CG envel ope. The KR attracts alot of people who want to fly cheap, but since they are on the lower end of the aviation economy, they also have the least number of hours. This by default limits their experience to spam can trainers made to be trimmed hands off and left alone putting around at 85-95 knots. I have even flown some C172s that had engine upgrades to 180 & 200 hp and when you went for 75% cruise and pushed them up to 120-125knot cruise you could not achieve a trimmed for hands off flight. You were putting small inputs in all the time, just like I hear the KR pilots talk about. Last year I made 2 trips to Atlanta from Sanford in a Mooney 20J, 200hp plane. This little hotrod flew at 160KTAS at 8000feet, and indicated 150. And let me tell you, it needed little inputs throughout the entire flight. There was no taking your hands off for long periods of time. My point is if that is what you want, you are interested in the wrong type of airplanes all together. Go by a li ttle C152 or C172 and cruise at 50-60% power and have fun. If more is what you are after build the plane of choice, GO GET ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATE TRAINING and go fly! Do not expect your private training to have all your answers for these breed of airplanes. And do not expect the low hour CFI at the local FBO to have any experience appropriate to your needs either. You need a seasoned pro with more than 4 planes in his logbook. > > Lastly. Have you netters been reading Mark L's posts? He is > investing in himself. He is going out and getting current and proficient in as many planes as he can that are like the KR. But just as important he is getting up in the air. It takes more than just the legal 3 take offs and landings in 90 days to stay safe. I have only had 20 -30 hours a month in the last 2 months and I am beginning to feel rusty. How many have you logged? You don't want to log just enough to feel the anxiety go away, you want to log enough to be able to quit thinking about the right thing to do, and just do it so that you can fly the plane, think about other planes around you and God forbid, plan on where you are going to land if you lose an engine. Not a flight goes by when I am not planning on where to land if I lose my engine, all the way through the flight. It is just habit. Do you do this? Do you practice engine out glides to the runway where you have to plan on making it bec ause you will only get one shot? The KR is like any other plane, it is only dangerous, or unforgiving, or overly sensitive to those lacking the proper understanding of how it truly works and what its limits are. You have the choices, go make good ones....see you at the Gathering..... > > Colin & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA > Sanford, FL > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > . > -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@spots.ab.ca http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:06:35 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> KR inspections To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040728160635.00809d50@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" but have been unsuccessful in locating an EAA >Tech Counselor willing to inspect/sign off on any work done on my KR 2. >Bernie McLean Poplar Grove IL +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm going out on a limb here as I'm not 100% sure my info is correct and my good friend, a local EAA tech counselor, is "unavailable for comment" (he didn't answer the phone). I don't believe the EAA T.C. "signs off" your work. They inspect your project, note their observations, and recommend changes if they see something they feel is unsafe or could be improved on. They should be completing a form, keeping one copy, giving you one copy for your builders log (records), and submitting the other to EAA. I may be wrong but I don't believe they are accepting any liability for their actions as their inspection is not "required" and is voluntary. My advice: Get the names of ALL the local EAA T.C's (from EAA if necessary) and call each one personally. Ask them to inspect your project. If they say they don't feel qualified then ask them to give you the name and number of someone who is. If still no luck, call EAA headquarters, chapter support, and explain the problem. Tell them their program isn't working for you and see what they suggest. Some individual situations require a more vigorous beating of the bushes. As for getting a D.A.R. to do the inspection, same thing, only work through the local FAA FSDO (flight safety district office, I think). Do your best to get the FAA to do the inspection. They will probably say they don't have the time or personnel and to get an independent D.A.R. If so, ask for a list of D.A.R.'s that can do the job and start making phone calls and get prices. I've heard charges anywhere from $150 to $1500 so shop around. I lucked out and found a DAR that was also a homebuilder and he inspected two planes on one visit for $150 each plus some mileage. He drove over 100 miles to do the inspections and had to get the whole thing approved as it was out of his designated area but bottom line is it can be done. As stated by a quote I read, either on the net or somewhere: "Those that say it can't be done should not interrupt those that are doing it". Mark Langford stopped by on his way home from Oshkosh and we got in some KR stick time this morning. I'll let him tell the story. Maybe he can even post some photos after he huggs the wife and kids. I hope he posts one of my flying buddy, A&P, EAA T.C., and good friend flying formation with us in his Acro Sport II this morning. we had some REALLY GOOD AIR !!! Larry Flesner 2004 Gathering host ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:18:21 GMT From: "jscott.pilot@juno.com" Subject: Re: KR> Tech Counselors To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040728.141845.3306.123694@webmail11.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Let's clear up a few misconceptions about the Tech Counselor program. Tech counselors don't sign off anything. They fill out a nice little piece of paper that gets filed with the EAA. You also get a copy to keep with your logs and the tech counselor gets a copy to keep in his files. That piece of paper will have the tech counselors comments and recommendations, as well as the builders signature. There is absolutely no requirement for any inspections other than the final airworthiness inspection. Three or more inspections by a Tech counselor will help you get an initial discount on your insurance, or may help you to obtain hull coverage on your aircraft if it is insured with the EAA's underwriter, currently Falcon Insurance. The Tech Counselor inspections are meaningless to most other insurance underwriters as well as the FAA. The Tech Counselors are only there as a technical resource based on their experience with various types of construction. It's too bad that many of you have problems getting them to come look over your projects. As a Tech Counselor, I always view an inspection as an opportunity to learn. I've never come away from an inspection without learning something new. It is far more important to have someone knowledgeable lay their eyes on your project than it is to have a blessed "EAA Technical Counselor" look at your future flying machine. The jist of the program is to assist you in building a safer aircraft with the advice of an experienced builder. If you get that advice from someone that lacks the EAA's blessing, it matters not to the FAA. Only to Falcon Insurance. One last comment based on my experience with the program. Invariably, those that ask for inspections are usually doing impeccable work. Those planes in the area that I know are under construction but have never contacted a Tech counselor are usually poor quality. Then there are a few in between that are genuinely interested in learning to build a better plane, but realize that they are short on some critical pieces of knowledge. Sometimes I don't have the answers they are looking for, but I can almost always find them a very knowledgeable resource. Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:17:06 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> 3 View Drawing To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040728.172235.3084.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They came with my plans, Virg On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:10:09 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > Does anyone have a 3 view drawing of a KR2? > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the > time for building has long since expired." > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:34:37 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Tech Counselors To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007101c474ea$aedc29d0$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Very good Scott. I did not want to go into all that detail. It is the way I understand the program also. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: Re: KR> Tech Counselors > > Let's clear up a few misconceptions about the Tech Counselor program. > > Tech counselors don't sign off anything. They fill out a nice little piece of paper that gets filed with the EAA. You also get a copy to keep with your logs and the tech counselor gets a copy to keep in his files. That piece of paper will have the tech counselors comments and recommendations, as well as the builders signature. > > There is absolutely no requirement for any inspections other than the final airworthiness inspection. Three or more inspections by a Tech counselor will help you get an initial discount on your insurance, or may help you to obtain hull coverage on your aircraft if it is insured with the EAA's underwriter, currently Falcon Insurance. The Tech Counselor inspections are meaningless to most other insurance underwriters as well as the FAA. > > The Tech Counselors are only there as a technical resource based on > their experience with various types of construction. It's too bad that many of you have problems getting them to come look over your projects. As a Tech Counselor, I always view an inspection as an opportunity to learn. I've never come away from an inspection without learning something new. > > It is far more important to have someone knowledgeable lay their eyes > on your project than it is to have a blessed "EAA Technical Counselor" look at your future flying machine. The jist of the program is to assist you in building a safer aircraft with the advice of an experienced builder. If you get that advice from someone that lacks the EAA's blessing, it matters not to the FAA. Only to Falcon Insurance. > > One last comment based on my experience with the program. Invariably, those that ask for inspections are usually doing impeccable work. Those planes in the area that I know are under construction but have never contacted a Tech counselor are usually poor quality. Then there are a few in between that are genuinely interested in learning to build a better plane, but realize that they are short on some critical pieces of knowledge. Sometimes I don't have the answers they are looking for, but I can almost always find them a very knowledgeable resource. > > Jeff Scott > Los Alamos, NM > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the > Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com > to sign up today! > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:40:09 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: KR> Engine Gage resource To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007e01c474eb$74bce6d0$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Go to www.curtisinst.com and have a look at these industrial gages. I brought one for inspection and find the of good quality. I am off to Oschosh tonignt and returning Sunday. Hope to see some guys wearing KR garb. KRron ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:27:22 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> 3 View Drawing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What do you need it in? I have the 3 view that came with the plans scanned. I am also doing a CAD 3D model of my new KR. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:10 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> 3 View Drawing Does anyone have a 3 view drawing of a KR2? "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:27:19 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Time to decide To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The pre-closure inspection used to be a requirement. The FAA did away with all but the final inspection some time ago. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of BABYWOLF@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:48 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Time to decide I am at about the same stage your are at with the KR boat-I have not yet closed both sides of my spars. Did you get your spars inspected before you closed them Is this inspection still necessary? Garry Cowles 310 Catron Santa FE NM _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:30:45 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Inspections To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006901c474fa$e8945de0$8f3cd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net Because of my experience with my KR (from boat stage to flight plus 20 years of flying) and my experience as an A & P mechanic with an Inspection Authorization with a total of 37 years of aircraft maintenance experience, I have been called on numerous times to Inspect KR aircraft, both under construction and completed aircraft in need of the annual Condition Inspection. I have never passed up an opportunity to look at other KR's and I have always enjoyed communicating with other builders and buyers. If anyone buying or building a KR wants my professional opinion, I would be glad to help. I am unsure if a DAR or FAA Airworthiness Inspector would find my opinions of value, but I would be glad to help any who are close enough to get to, and I don't mind writing my opinions for all to see. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years A & P /IA ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:40:48 -0400 From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Inspections To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <20F26F2E.274C1480.83FC6405@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >A & P mechanic with an Inspection Authorization with a >total of 37 years of aircraft maintenance experience, Orma, Who do you work for? Airline? Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:03:08 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> KR inspections To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41084CCC.000003.02032@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We have an active chapter of over 300 members and one tech counselor whose credentials are that he built an RV. He is a smart and knowledgeable person, but there are actually others who may be more qualified to review my work who are not "tech counselors". "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:04:12 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> 3 View Drawing To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41084D0C.000005.02032@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just need a 3 view that has measurements on it in PDF format. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 07/28/04 19:28:06 To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> 3 View Drawing What do you need it in? I have the 3 view that came with the plans scanned. I am also doing a CAD 3D model of my new KR. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:10 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> 3 View Drawing Does anyone have a 3 view drawing of a KR2? "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:12:48 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> Oshkosh trip To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <016101c47511$963424b0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry Flesner wrote: > Mark Langford stopped by on his way home from Oshkosh and we got in > some KR stick time this morning. I'll let him tell the story. Yep, got back a few hours ago. Thanks a lot for the KR stick time. It's the most stable KR I've flown so far, and a joy to fly. While I was there, Larry took me on a tour of the Mount Vernon airport. This Gathering will have about 10 times more space than what we're used to, complete with conference rooms, and it even has a baggage handling system! It's a great location. I also visited Mark Jones and saw a lot of familiar faces at the KR forum, as well as at other events like William Wynne's Corvair engine forum. I came to the realization that I don't go to Oshkosh to see airplanes every year as much as I go to see old friends. > Maybe he can even post some photos after he huggs the wife and kids. > I hope he posts one of my flying buddy, A&P, EAA T.C., and good friend > flying formation with us in his Acro Sport II this morning. we had > some REALLY GOOD AIR !!! Here's the Acro Sport, at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/040727148m.jpg . I just noticed that this plane is also on the cover of the new Wicks catalog, along with Mark Jones' KR2S and Marty Roberts' KR2. And there's a picture of Larry and his KR at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/040727111m.jpg . Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:10:26 -0400 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> law of unitended consequences/Sport Pilot To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c47511$38968960$0000a398@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Heck, with the KR Motorglider, isn't there a pic somewhere of one >flying. Anybody know where it's at? There is a couple of paragraphs, a photo and the basic specs. on page 7 of the January 1980 Sport Aviation. Basically: KR-1B Span 27' Length 12' 10" Empty 484 lbs Gross 800 lbs Engine VW1834 Cruise 125 mph @ 3200 rpm Stall 38 mph power off R of C 1500 fpm Glide Ratio 21 to 1 Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:31:41 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Oshkosh Photo To: "Corvaircraft" , "KR Net" Message-ID: <008401c4751c$917c6800$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have posted on my web page a photo of a motley crew under Photo of the Week. Take a look, here is the link: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 51 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================