From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 53 Date: 7/30/2004 2:49:39 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: POH (Dan Heath) 2. Re: Wing Question (Dan Heath) 3. Re: Oshkosh Attendance (Dan Heath) 4. Re: Oshkosh Attendance (Dana Overall) 5. 3M 77 (Dana Overall) 6. Re: Oshkosh Attendance (Mark Jones) 7. Re: Oshkosh Attendance (Dan Heath) 8. Re: Oshkosh Attendance (Dan Heath) 9. RE: Oshkosh Attendance (Jim Faughn) 10. Re: 3M 77 (cartera) 11. Re: Oshkosh Attendance (Ed Janssen) 12. RE: Oshkosh Attendance (Mark Jones) 13. RE: Oshkosh Attendance (Jack Cooper) 14. Re: Wing Question (Ray Fuenzalida) 15. RE: 3M 77 (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:38:07 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> POH To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <410A16FF.000007.04052@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Phil, Thanks, it has been on our site all along. I forgot that the Flight Information Manual was also a POH, I guess. Anyway, it has all the information that I need and I had started to change it from ZS-WEC to N64KR. It even has the 3 view drawing that I was looking for. Those of you who are looking for this manual, as you are finishing your planes and getting them ready for inspection, there is a lot of information in there that will make your documentation a lot easier. You get to it right off our home page. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 07/29/04 22:57:13 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> POH Dan sent one direct to you. Was on the net somw time back Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:41:50 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Wing Question To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <410A17DE.000009.04052@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know about the folding wing project, but attaching and removing your wings for each flight is really not an option. It takes about 30 minutes each way and you risk damage and wear. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:46:17 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <410A18E9.00000B.04052@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As we have been telling you all along, if you want to see KRs, you have to come to the gathering. The KR got shunned by the EAA at it's 20th anniversary and I do believe that a lot of the older guy who tried to participate that year remember it and really don't want to go back. Come to the gathering and you will see KRs. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 07/29/04 18:57:13 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Oshkosh Attendance Hi, I just have to throw this out there. I was just shy of making it to the meeting Tues., very disappointed since I missed it last year also, but mostly disappointed in the poor, or should I say no attendance of any aircraft AGAIN, I will make an effort however to be in Illinois _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:12:22 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Dan Heath" The KR got shunned by the EAA at it's 20th >anniversary and I do believe that a lot of the older guy who tried to >participate that year remember it and really don't want to go back. I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the issues? I do know that 3 is usually a good number for Sun & Fun or Oshkosh, with the number of plans sold over the years that is a poor turnout. I've said it before, this is a great little airplane and should be flown to events. This is especially true now that Rand Robinson no longer is a patron at Sun & Fun, Arlington, Oshkosh, etc. Sorry, you can slam me but I think the busy grandmother card has been played way too many times. If it wasn't for the KRNet, just how much interest would there be in building one nowdays? I've got to be careful in what I say anymore as some think simply because I am now buidling something else, I have no interest in the KR design. Nothing could be furthur from the truth. Get these KRs out for people to see. It would amaze you the number of people who have never seen one in person. I'd have to go out on limb and say the KR is the most underseen experimental airplane at flyins around the states that has been on the market for as long as it has been. Why should someone have to be so interested in the KR to have to make a journey to a national gathering hosted by individuals interested in the continuance of the airplane once a year rather than see one at their local airshow? I don't mean to sound like a nagging father but that's a poor way to show off your bird. Sorry but you can't walk around with a damn chip on your shoulder for something that happened to someone else you don't even know uhpteen years ago. Sorry for the Fun Friday rant, but get these great inexpensive airplanes. People want to see them. I'm sure I'll get slammed and start my weekend off to a pis$ poor start, but so be it:-) Looking forward to camping at the gathering.....................had my banjo out yesterday.........boy am I bad but I sure can play loud!!!! Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:18:49 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: KR> 3M 77 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Just quick note on something I'm certain is well known but...................I used 3M 77 to attach fabric to my fabricated (yes, not an option on the RV so I went against the plans) center console. Been driving around with it in the car to see how it holds up to heat. I've used 77 to bond balsa skins to foam cores on radio control wings and it worked great in that application. Results of the console...........................A+. Spray and stick guys, makes for a great interior and doesn't wick through the fabricl. Before anyone asks...............no, not structural:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 06:27:36 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003201c47628$376a4fa0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dana, I have to totally agree with everything you said below. Excuses can be made up over and over and we can all hide behind ridicule. But until these planes are exposed at the airshows, they will always carry that stigma that has been attached to them for years. If you are ashamed to show your plane because of it's hyped up reputation by people who do not know better, then do not build one and get rid of the one you have and let someone who is proud of it show it off at the airshows. Personally, starting next year, you will see my KR at Oshkosh and every other airshow I can get to without getting a divorce over it. Now, finish up that KR and get it out there for the world to see. Can you imagine just how many KR would be flying if every one that was started was finished. There have been over 12,000 sets of plans sold. That would be a lot of KR's. BTW, I have a really cool speed brake installation and very simple. Plus, the operation is flawless. I just finished the installation if the panel switch and all wiring yesterday. I will make a web link to it this weekend for all to see. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:12 AM Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > >From: "Dan Heath" > The KR got shunned by the EAA at it's 20th > >anniversary and I do believe that a lot of the older guy who tried to > >participate that year remember it and really don't want to go back. > > I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every Oshkosh > year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR > actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the > issues? > > I do know that 3 is usually a good number for Sun & Fun or Oshkosh, > with the > number of plans sold over the years that is a poor turnout. I've said > it before, this is a great little airplane and should be flown to > events. This > is especially true now that Rand Robinson no longer is a patron at Sun > & Fun, Arlington, Oshkosh, etc. Sorry, you can slam me but I think > the busy grandmother card has been played way too many times. If it > wasn't for the KRNet, just how much interest would there be in > building one nowdays? I've > got to be careful in what I say anymore as some think simply because I > am now buidling something else, I have no interest in the KR design. > Nothing could be furthur from the truth. Get these KRs out for people > to see. It would amaze you the number of people who have never seen > one in person. I'd > have to go out on limb and say the KR is the most underseen > experimental airplane at flyins around the states that has been on the > market for as long > as it has been. Why should someone have to be so interested in the KR > to have to make a journey to a national gathering hosted by > individuals interested in the continuance of the airplane once a year > rather than see one at their local airshow? I don't mean to sound > like a nagging father but > that's a poor way to show off your bird. Sorry but you can't walk > around with a damn chip on your shoulder for something that happened > to someone else you don't even know uhpteen years ago. > > Sorry for the Fun Friday rant, but get these great inexpensive > airplanes. People want to see them. > > I'm sure I'll get slammed and start my weekend off to a pis$ poor > start, but > so be it:-) Looking forward to camping at the > gathering.....................had my banjo out yesterday.........boy > am I bad but I sure can play loud!!!! > > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > do not archive > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:55:03 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <410A3717.000003.03892@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the issues? I was there that year. Bob Muse and I tried to get out of Atlanta, but the weather formed a solid wall from around Chatanooga, so I flew back home and got in the car and drove to be at the dinner for the 20th anniversary. There was a fly by planned and the KRs were not told untill the last minute that they were to go. They were being squeezed in, between all the big money planes. We got there in time to hear the announcement that Herb Bull, the person who did the painting for Jeanette, had crashed of a heart attack during the fly by. He had to haul his plane in a hurry to get it to where they had to take off. Maybe he knew he should not fly or not. Maybe all the extra induced stress because the EAA forgot where there roots are, brought it on, who knows. The bottom line, as I understood it at the time, is that the EAA was too busy showing off the big money planes, to allow the KR to participate in an organized fly by as was planned by the KR people. This in NOT an excuse, and, on my life's list of things to do, is still to fly my own plane to Oshkosh. I will fly this plane to Oshkosh and every other place that I can. Marty and Dan Diehl were there along with a lot of the other old timers. I don't know how many KRs were there, but I do know that they all were very dissappointed in the EAA and that has stuck with me for over 10 years and until EAA does something to show that they remember where they came from, it will never go away. If you want to see KRs come to the Gathering. As many as can get there, get there. That should tell you something. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:02:04 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <410A38BC.000005.03892@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dana, No one should slam you for telling the truth. In all the years that I owned the Little Beast, I made it to two gatherings and tried once to get to Oshkosh. Pretty bad on me. I always wanted to go to Sun n Fun, and have wondered ever since I sold it, why I never went. I still don't know. I do think that if the Net were around, I probably would have. The plain fact is, KRs don't fly. Don't know why. Maybe they are always broke. I don't know, but I sure hope to change that here in this area, soon. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:50:40 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c47633$d2aa43c0$2ed55540@jfaughn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is pretty much what happened although it leaves out the conversations I had with the EAA months previous that set up a KR only flyby. We even had conversations about a possible missing man formation to honor Ken. When we arrived at Oshkosh were not on the schedule. I did a lot of talking and at the last minute in place of one of the mornings general flybys we were told we could fly which really did make it a last minute thing. Whether this did or didn't have anything to do with Herb, we will never know. However, I still carry this with me because I'm also the one who set everything up and witnessed the crash. I can say that it did put a bad taste in everyone's mouth and none of us went back until 97 when I called a number of the pilots and said let's put it behind us and go again. It was tough to fly in that year. Of course everyone knows we did the same thing in 2002 and several of us went last year too. Quite frankly, I have lots of fun at Oshkosh but it is just a matter of time off and choosing priorities. I make it an absolute priority for the KR Gathering. Today, I think it is more an issue that there isn't a promotion for the KR at Oshkosh, other than what Mark and I have done. I believe that people want to be part of something and if you go to Oshkosh, what are you part of with the KR? Who do you talk to and ask questions of? If you go to the Gathering, you are definitely part of a great event and you can talk to "like minded people." These are people who love aviation, want a responsive airplane and love the idea of being able to own an affordable aircraft. Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth that they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and had to rush around to deliver something that wasn't what we were promised. Do we carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think other issues are more prominent today for KR people as outlined above. Will I go back? If I'm still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize the 35th anniversary. See you at the Gathering. Jim Faughn -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:55 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance RE: I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the issues? I was there that year. Bob Muse and I tried to get out of Atlanta, but the weather formed a solid wall from around Chatanooga, so I flew back home and got in the car and drove to be at the dinner for the 20th anniversary. There was a fly by planned and the KRs were not told untill the last minute that they were to go. They were being squeezed in, between all the big money planes. We got there in time to hear the announcement that Herb Bull, the person who did the painting for Jeanette, had crashed of a heart attack during the fly by. He had to haul his plane in a hurry to get it to where they had to take off. Maybe he knew he should not fly or not. Maybe all the extra induced stress because the EAA forgot where there roots are, brought it on, who knows. The bottom line, as I understood it at the time, is that the EAA was too busy showing off the big money planes, to allow the KR to participate in an organized fly by as was planned by the KR people. This in NOT an excuse, and, on my life's list of things to do, is still to fly my own plane to Oshkosh. I will fly this plane to Oshkosh and every other place that I can. Marty and Dan Diehl were there along with a lot of the other old timers. I don't know how many KRs were there, but I do know that they all were very dissappointed in the EAA and that has stuck with me for over 10 years and until EAA does something to show that they remember where they came from, it will never go away. If you want to see KRs come to the Gathering. As many as can get there, get there. That should tell you something. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:23:55 -0600 From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> 3M 77 To: KRnet Message-ID: <410A4BEB.2000501@spots.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Dana & KR nethers, Great stuff, got some on my hands right now, 3M Super 77, should have had my rubber gloves on. Don't spray it on newspaper and then step on the newspaper, guess how I know ;). Sound like that Black Widow is getting there, we want an full report on that maiden. Take Care, Dana! Dana Overall wrote: > Just quick note on something I'm certain is well known > but...................I used 3M 77 to attach fabric to my fabricated (yes, > not an option on the RV so I went against the plans) center console. Been > driving around with it in the car to see how it holds up to heat. I've used > 77 to bond balsa skins to foam cores on radio control wings and it worked > great in that application. Results of the > console...........................A+. Spray and stick guys, makes for a > great interior and doesn't wick through the fabricl. > > Before anyone asks...............no, not structural:-) > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > do not archive > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > . > -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@spots.ab.ca http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:47:26 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003e01c47644$239caa60$8100a8c0@dad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I echo what Jim says about KR attendance at OSH. I think it's due to a number of factors rather than just a single one, such as Herb's accident. As far as the accident, I think I remember that the weather was pretty hot that day and there was quite a long line of airplanes and a long wait for guys to get in the air. I remember seeing Herb and a couple others standing outside next to their planes on the taxi way. So, it's possible that he was not feeling very well at the time. Also, it's been said that many KR builders are pretty hard working individuals and it may be difficult for some to take off work to attend. Like the Pietenpol clan and other type fly-ins, the KR group really enjoy their own gathering - many, even more than Oshkosh. It's often a matter of choice. Let's all hope for good weather. This Gathering at Mt. Vernon should be a fun one, for sure. Again, how many days left, Mark? :o) Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Faughn" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > This is pretty much what happened although it leaves out the > conversations I had with the EAA months previous that set up a KR only > flyby. We even had conversations about a possible missing man > formation to honor Ken. When we arrived at Oshkosh were not on the > schedule. I did a lot of talking and at the last minute in place of > one of the mornings general flybys we were told we could fly which > really did make it a last minute thing. Whether this did or didn't > have anything to do with Herb, we will never know. However, I still > carry this with me because I'm also the one who set everything up and > witnessed the crash. I can say that it did put a bad taste in > everyone's mouth and none of us went back until 97 when I called a > number of the pilots and said let's put it behind us and go again. It > was tough to fly in that year. Of course everyone knows we did the > same thing in 2002 and several of us went last year too. Quite > frankly, I have lots of fun at Oshkosh but it is just a matter of time > off and choosing priorities. I make it an absolute priority for the KR > Gathering. > > Today, I think it is more an issue that there isn't a promotion for > the KR at Oshkosh, other than what Mark and I have done. I believe > that people want to be part of something and if you go to Oshkosh, > what are you part of with the KR? Who do you talk to and ask questions > of? If you go to the Gathering, you are definitely part of a great > event and you can talk to "like minded people." These are people who > love aviation, want a responsive airplane and love the idea of being > able to own an affordable aircraft. > > Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth that > they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and had to > rush around to deliver something that wasn't what we were promised. Do > we carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think other issues are > more prominent today for KR people as outlined above. Will I go back? > If I'm still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize > the 35th anniversary. > > See you at the Gathering. > > Jim Faughn > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan > Heath > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:55 AM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > RE: I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every > Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR > actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the > issues? > > I was there that year. Bob Muse and I tried to get out of Atlanta, > but the weather formed a solid wall from around Chatanooga, so I flew > back home and got in the car and drove to be at the dinner for the > 20th anniversary. There was a fly by planned and the KRs were not told > untill the last minute that they were to go. They were being squeezed > in, between all the big money planes. > > We got there in time to hear the announcement that Herb Bull, the > person who did the painting for Jeanette, had crashed of a heart > attack during the fly by. He had to haul his plane in a hurry to get > it to where they had to take off. Maybe he knew he should not fly or > not. Maybe all the extra induced stress because the EAA forgot where > there roots are, brought it on, who knows. > > The bottom line, as I understood it at the time, is that the EAA was > too busy showing off the big money planes, to allow the KR to > participate in an organized fly by as was planned by the KR people. > > This in NOT an excuse, and, on my life's list of things to do, is > still to fly my own plane to Oshkosh. I will fly this plane to > Oshkosh and every other place that I can. > > Marty and Dan Diehl were there along with a lot of the other old > timers. I don't know how many KRs were there, but I do know that they > all were very dissappointed in the EAA and that has stuck with me for > over 10 years and until EAA does something to show that they remember > where they came from, it will never go away. > > If you want to see KRs come to the Gathering. As many as can get > there, get there. That should tell you something. > > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. > Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at > http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - > Columbia, SC > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:58:31 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902AE7@SIC-EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain Ed, By golly it is only 55 days. I bet Stephen didn't know that. :-) Mark Jones Mueller Sales Corporation Ph: 262-781-5310 Fax:262-781-4130 E-mail: mjones@muellersales.com Web: www.muellersales.com -----Original Message----- From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com [mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com] Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:47 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance I echo what Jim says about KR attendance at OSH. I think it's due to a number of factors rather than just a single one, such as Herb's accident. As far as the accident, I think I remember that the weather was pretty hot that day and there was quite a long line of airplanes and a long wait for guys to get in the air. I remember seeing Herb and a couple others standing outside next to their planes on the taxi way. So, it's possible that he was not feeling very well at the time. Also, it's been said that many KR builders are pretty hard working individuals and it may be difficult for some to take off work to attend. Like the Pietenpol clan and other type fly-ins, the KR group really enjoy their own gathering - many, even more than Oshkosh. It's often a matter of choice. Let's all hope for good weather. This Gathering at Mt. Vernon should be a fun one, for sure. Again, how many days left, Mark? :o) Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Faughn" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > This is pretty much what happened although it leaves out the > conversations I had with the EAA months previous that set up a KR only > flyby. We even had conversations about a possible missing man > formation to honor Ken. When we arrived at Oshkosh were not on the > schedule. I did a lot of talking and at the last minute in place of > one of the mornings general flybys we were told we could fly which > really did make it a last minute thing. Whether this did or didn't > have anything to do with Herb, we will never know. However, I still > carry this with me because I'm also the one who set everything up and > witnessed the crash. I can say that it did put a bad taste in > everyone's mouth and none of us went back until 97 when I called a > number of the pilots and said let's put it behind us and go again. It > was tough to fly in that year. Of course everyone knows we did the > same thing in 2002 and several of us went last year too. Quite > frankly, I have lots of fun at Oshkosh but it is just a matter of time > off and choosing priorities. I make it an absolute priority for the KR > Gathering. > > Today, I think it is more an issue that there isn't a promotion for > the KR at Oshkosh, other than what Mark and I have done. I believe > that people want to be part of something and if you go to Oshkosh, > what are you part of with the KR? Who do you talk to and ask questions > of? If you go to the Gathering, you are definitely part of a great > event and you can talk to "like minded people." These are people who > love aviation, want a responsive airplane and love the idea of being > able to own an affordable aircraft. > > Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth that > they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and had to > rush around to deliver something that wasn't what we were promised. Do > we carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think other issues are > more prominent today for KR people as outlined above. Will I go back? > If I'm still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize > the 35th anniversary. > > See you at the Gathering. > > Jim Faughn > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan > Heath > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:55 AM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > RE: I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every > Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR > actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the > issues? > > I was there that year. Bob Muse and I tried to get out of Atlanta, > but the weather formed a solid wall from around Chatanooga, so I flew > back home and got in the car and drove to be at the dinner for the > 20th anniversary. There was a fly by planned and the KRs were not told > untill the last minute that they were to go. They were being squeezed > in, between all the big money planes. > > We got there in time to hear the announcement that Herb Bull, the > person who did the painting for Jeanette, had crashed of a heart > attack during the fly by. He had to haul his plane in a hurry to get > it to where they had to take off. Maybe he knew he should not fly or > not. Maybe all the extra induced stress because the EAA forgot where > there roots are, brought it on, who knows. > > The bottom line, as I understood it at the time, is that the EAA was > too busy showing off the big money planes, to allow the KR to > participate in an organized fly by as was planned by the KR people. > > This in NOT an excuse, and, on my life's list of things to do, is > still to fly my own plane to Oshkosh. I will fly this plane to > Oshkosh and every other place that I can. > > Marty and Dan Diehl were there along with a lot of the other old > timers. I don't know how many KRs were there, but I do know that they > all were very dissappointed in the EAA and that has stuck with me for > over 10 years and until EAA does something to show that they remember > where they came from, it will never go away. > > If you want to see KRs come to the Gathering. As many as can get > there, get there. That should tell you something. > > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. > Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at > http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - > Columbia, SC > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:33:52 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220047530163352859@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jim wrote "Will I go back? If I'm > still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize the > 35th anniversary." By 2007 with all the new KR coming along we should be able to make a good showing. We should set a goal of having 25 KRs there. If we are not scheduled for a fly-by then we should meet at an airport 50 miles away and all fly in together. Same for Sun-N-Fun. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Jim Faughn > To: KRnet > Date: 7/30/2004 8:46:52 AM > Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > This is pretty much what happened although it leaves out the > conversations I had with the EAA months previous that set up a KR only > flyby. We even had conversations about a possible missing man > formation to honor Ken. When we arrived at Oshkosh were not on the > schedule. I did a lot of talking and at the last minute in place of > one of the mornings general flybys we were told we could fly which > really did make it a last minute thing. Whether this did or didn't > have anything to do with Herb, we will never know. However, I still > carry this with me because I'm also the one who set everything up and > witnessed the crash. I can say that it did put a bad taste in > everyone's mouth and none of us went back until 97 when I called a > number of the pilots and said let's put it behind us and go again. It > was tough to fly in that year. Of course everyone knows we did the > same thing in 2002 and several of us went last year too. Quite > frankly, I have lots of fun at Oshkosh but it is just a matter of time > off and choosing priorities. I make it an absolute priority for the KR > Gathering. > > Today, I think it is more an issue that there isn't a promotion for > the KR at Oshkosh, other than what Mark and I have done. I believe > that people want to be part of something and if you go to Oshkosh, > what are you part of with the KR? Who do you talk to and ask questions > of? If you go to the Gathering, you are definitely part of a great > event and you can talk to "like minded people." These are people who > love aviation, want a responsive airplane and love the idea of being > able to own an affordable aircraft. > > Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth that > they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and had to > rush around to deliver something that wasn't what we were promised. Do > we carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think other issues are > more prominent today for KR people as outlined above. Will I go back? > If I'm still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize > the 35th anniversary. > > See you at the Gathering. > > Jim Faughn > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan > Heath > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:55 AM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > RE: I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every > Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR > actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the > issues? > > I was there that year. Bob Muse and I tried to get out of Atlanta, > but the weather formed a solid wall from around Chatanooga, so I flew > back home and got in the car and drove to be at the dinner for the > 20th anniversary. There was a fly by planned and the KRs were not told > untill the last minute that they were to go. They were being squeezed > in, between all the big money planes. > > We got there in time to hear the announcement that Herb Bull, the > person who did the painting for Jeanette, had crashed of a heart > attack during the fly by. He had to haul his plane in a hurry to get > it to where they had to take off. Maybe he knew he should not fly or > not. Maybe all the extra induced stress because the EAA forgot where > there roots are, brought it on, who knows. > > The bottom line, as I understood it at the time, is that the EAA was > too busy showing off the big money planes, to allow the KR to > participate in an organized fly by as was planned by the KR people. > > This in NOT an excuse, and, on my life's list of things to do, is > still to fly my own plane to Oshkosh. I will fly this plane to > Oshkosh and every other place that I can. > > Marty and Dan Diehl were there along with a lot of the other old > timers. I don't know how many KRs were there, but I do know that they > all were very dissappointed in the EAA and that has stuck with me for > over 10 years and until EAA does something to show that they remember > where they came from, it will never go away. > > If you want to see KRs come to the Gathering. As many as can get > there, get there. That should tell you something. > > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. > Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at > http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - > Columbia, SC > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: Re: KR> Wing Question To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040730184450.91924.qmail@web42001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The folding wing does exist and looks fairly simple to install. I even won a free set of plans some time ago. However, I decided that I would feel safer with a permanent attachment rather than continually connecting and disconnecting the wings. Just me. Ray LJHusky1@wmconnect.com wrote: I am almost ready for my KR to become a reality. I was wondering if the folding wing ever came through. I know that there was some plans raffled off and I was wondering if there was a finished project or has it been scrapped. If not, then how long does it take to remove the wings from a KR? Thanks Larry Husky Bentonville, AR _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:48:51 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> 3M 77 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I use it for glueing foam block together. Works great. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dana Overall Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:19 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> 3M 77 Just quick note on something I'm certain is well known but...................I used 3M 77 to attach fabric to my fabricated (yes, not an option on the RV so I went against the plans) center console. Been driving around with it in the car to see how it holds up to heat. I've used 77 to bond balsa skins to foam cores on radio control wings and it worked great in that application. Results of the console...........................A+. Spray and stick guys, makes for a great interior and doesn't wick through the fabricl. Before anyone asks...............no, not structural:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 53 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================