From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 55 Date: 5/3/2004 7:01:22 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. tucson az kr2s plane owners (Bdazzcamro@aol.com) 2. RE: Re: unsubscribe (Nieto, Daniel A (Dany)) 3. RE: KR2S Specs - thanks (Brian Kraut) 4. Re: Firewall (Raybeth321@wmconnect.com) 5. Re: KR2SX (Brian Kraut) 6. Re: antennae +Microair (intrepid1ac@juno.com) 7. Co-Pilot Passing (Scott Cable) 8. Co-pilot (Colin & Bev Rainey) 9. RE: antennae +Microair (Doug Rupert) 10. RE: Co-Pilot Passing (Doug Rupert) 11. RE: Co-Pilot Passing (DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com) 12. Re: Co-Pilot Passing (Ron Eason) 13. RE: flight report (Stephen Jacobs) 14. Re: Todds Canopy (larry severson) 15. Re: Todds Canopy (Scott Cable) 16. Re: KR2SX (Phil Matheson) 17. Re: Todds Canopy (Phil Matheson) 18. Re: Todds Canopy (Phil Matheson) 19. Sun-N-Fun pictures (Jack Cooper) 20. Re: BoB Sauer's latest photo. (Mark Jones) 21. Re: Co-Pilot Passing (Phil Matheson) 22. Re: KR2S Specs - thanks (larry severson) 23. cowl (Joseph H Horton) 24. Troy's Knots (Steve and Lori McGee) 25. Re: KR2S Materials (SkyVisionSC@aol.com) 26. More on Bob Sauer (Mark Jones) 27. RE: flight report (larry flesner) 28. Re: Troy's Knots (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 04:26:53 EDT From: Bdazzcamro@aol.com Subject: KR> tucson az kr2s plane owners To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <4a.2b30d74b.2dc75c4d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I once got the name and number of a guy that has his plane sitting out in marana az. if this guy reads this or any other kr2s owners that is storing there kr2s plane in southern az please e mail me. I have been trying to find someone to let me check out there kr2s for quite some time now trying to find out whats all involved in building one. thanks David Swanson bdazzcamro@aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:28:42 -0300 From: "Nieto, Daniel A (Dany)" Subject: RE: KR> Re: unsubscribe To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Antonio; Creo que tu experiencia en el armado del KR1 puede ser muy muy importante para el grupo. Sientete libre de escibir en Espanol siempre habra alguien que podra traducir si la info es interesante...me ofrezco para eso... Saludos Daniel Antonio, I believe the experience you had in the KR1 building could be very very important for the group. Fell free to write in Spanish,there will always be someone able totranslate the Info if it is interesting...I offer my helpon that... regards Daniel -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Desimone [mailto:casadesimone@interlap.com.ar] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:42 PM To: KRnet; -leave@mylist.net Subject: KR> Re: unsubscribe UNsubscribe me from KRnet. Sorry mi english y very bad Thank you Antonio Desimone > _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:10:54 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> KR2S Specs - thanks To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When I spoke to Troy a few days ago I asked basically the same question. He really didn't know, but he said that the new wing was definitely a lot less drag. He could easily tell in a power off dive that he picked up speed a lot faster. Some other notes: He shortened the wing about 2'. The empty weight also went up due to the engine change. His stall speed increased about 5 Kts, but he suspects that is due to the weight and the shorter wing, not the airfoil change. He only has 1 degree incidence. He said it stalls fine and doesn't tend to drop a wing unless he has some power in. He has not spun it. One other interresting thing he said was that he didn't have a good climb rate until he put on the bottom aileron gap seals like Mark details on the new wing site. He recommends not even doing any flight testing without the bottom seals installed. His weight is 620 empty and he has had 440 pounds of people plus fuel in it. I think he said he weighs around 220, so his high cruise speeds are probably around 900 pounds or more with just him and fuel. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of JEHayward@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:02 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> KR2S Specs - thanks In a message dated 5/2/04 4:34:58 PM Mountain Daylight Time, N56ML@hiwaay.net writes: << Troy's wouldn't break 200 mph with the VW engine and the old wing. The higher speeds came about after adding the new airfoil and the 0-200. >> Any rough idea of how much was contributed by each one? Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:59:21 EDT From: Raybeth321@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: KR> Firewall To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <142.2867481b.2dc79c29@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Jim, Thanks for your E-mail. Sometime in the recent past, I had read of the RTV, so your reply gives reinforcement to that report. Ray Goree ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:24:19 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Re: KR> KR2SX To: KRnet Message-ID: <200405030924.AA213647420@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is yours flying yet? If so, how effective are the flaps? I will probably use something like morse cables for the ailerons. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: TNCOMPRESSORMAN@aol.com Reply-To: KRnet Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:32:59 EDT >Brian, >My center spars are 10', with flaps, fuel tanks, between spars (14+ gallons >each) be prepared to change aileron actuation arangement as the original >belcranks are on rear of spar where you want your flaps. > >Riley Collins >Rutledge, TN >In a message dated 5/2/2004 9:39:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, >brian.kraut@engalt.com writes: > >> Making the stub wings longer does a lot for me. I get bigger flaps, >> I have a much stronger wing, I will have room to keep all my fuel in >> the stub wing tanks. I would be interrested to hear if anyone else >> has extended the stubs. >> > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:18:04 -0400 From: intrepid1ac@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> antennae +Microair To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040503.091812.-236743.2.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > "orma" writes: > As far as I know all VOR antenna are V pole antenna. I think that > the V is significant, though I'm not qualified in Radio electronics. > All of the antenna sold by the verious aviation suppliers seem to > be of that shape. The V shape of the nav dipole antenna is one of convenience and mechanical stability only. What is more critical, especially for buried-inside antennas, is the polarization. VOR especially is horizontal polarization. FAA publications mention this specifically and point out that if a vertical (polarization) antenna is used for VOR reception, signal reflections from the VOR transmitter site may affect the accuracy of the received signal. This may also be meaningful when using a handheld radio for VOR -- be sure to turn the whip antenna horizontal if you are using the VOR signal for navigation. The aircraft communication radios, OTOH, use vertical polarization. When selecting sites inside the airframe for buried antennas, keep the polarization correct: comm radios are Vertical, and nav radios use Horizontal. For more information than you'll ever need, the Ham's ARRL Antenna Handbook cannot be beaten. Art Cacella 1970 American AA-1 N6155L "Dinkie" N4ZD 1972 KR-1 Plans, still not started ( but four metal homebuilts underway ) Winston-Salem, NC ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 07:52:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: KR> Co-Pilot Passing To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040503145239.27109.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Netters, It is with a Sad and Heavy heart that I inform you that my father passed away recently after a long hard battle with heart disease. Dad loved flying, and was looking forward to going up with me when I completed my KR. Because of his health, he was "confined" to flying large scale Radio Control aircraft. Dad was a volunteer with the PGA Golf Tour, a Kentucky Colonel, and an Education Officer for the Thurmond Lake Power Squadron. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 11:09:25 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Co-pilot To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005701c43120$9f85d840$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Godspeed to your Father, Scott, I am sure he will be sorely missed! An old Native American proverb: No one ever really dies as long as there is someone around to remember them. Do not archive Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 11:33:32 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> antennae +Microair To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002401c43123$fefd3540$be04e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Better yet use a strip of copper foil buried under the glass in your wing. Situate it wing tip to wing tip line half way between the spars to keep it away from metals that can cause interference. No drag, less weight and excellent reception as the antenna can be kept straight with zero bends which can cause signal loss. Of course this method will not work for those using carbon fiber covering or those with metal wing tanks. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of intrepid1ac@juno.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:18 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> antennae +Microair When selecting sites inside the airframe for buried antennas, keep the polarization correct: comm radios are Vertical, and nav radios use Horizontal. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 11:33:32 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Co-Pilot Passing To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002501c43124$00cc4ff0$be04e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" May he rest in peace Doug Rupert -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Scott Cable Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:53 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Co-Pilot Passing Netters, It is with a Sad and Heavy heart that I inform you that my father passed away recently after a long hard battle with heart disease. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:40:58 -0500 From: DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com Subject: RE: KR> Co-Pilot Passing To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii He must have been a tremendous source of inspiration for your interest in aviation. May he rest in peace. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:48:57 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Co-Pilot Passing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007c01c43126$256daf00$6501a8c0@Administration> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry to hear of your Dads transition. Dads are very close with their sons. My Dad passed in 1972 @ 62 and I am 63, so I feel blessed. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:52 AM Subject: KR> Co-Pilot Passing > Netters, > It is with a Sad and Heavy heart that I inform you > that my father passed away recently after a long hard > battle with heart disease. > Dad loved flying, and was looking forward to going > up with me when I completed my KR. Because of his > health, he was "confined" to flying large scale Radio > Control aircraft. > Dad was a volunteer with the PGA Golf Tour, a > Kentucky Colonel, and an Education Officer for the > Thurmond Lake Power Squadron. > > ===== > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 18:38:43 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> flight report To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c4312d$1c6e0c40$2e64a8c0@homedesktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I had the KR set up in cruise and trimmed out - power back to idle. I assumed the glide speed would be maybe in the 120 mph range - held the nose up to bleed the speed off a bit - about 120 smph indicated I slowly released the stick and let it center to the air loads The nose dropped to a rather steep angle and as the airspeed went through 145 indicated I took the stick and came out of the dive. .......................................... Thanks for the trouble Larry - it was interesting (for me). In the cruise she needs a little bit of up trim to hold the nose on the horizon and keep everything balanced. To me this suggests that the forces arrangement in the cruise has something tugging down on the nose (a nose-down moment). As you said - this is not a bad thing - better than having the tail wondering about in uncertainty. It does however interest me to know what was tugging the front down (in S&L flight) requiring that bit of "up" trim. I was convinced that it down-thrust on the engine - hence the test to see what happens when we remove that component - well now we know I was wrong - and that the motor is keeping the nose up (providing a nose-up moment), not pulling it down - when we remove the thrust, the nose falls away quite rapidly - we need to see if this happens before the speed decays. To my thinking, the next likely suspect tugging the snozzle down is a fwd CG. Unlike tail heavy, a fwd CG is healthy any day of the week, but if this is the case it may be useful to know. Is the elevator still effective right into the stall - a fwd CG could provoke elevator stall before the wing gets to its stalling angle. Difficult to tell the difference coz something lets go, the nose drops and we recover into S&L flight. Was it the wing that quit flying or is it the tail that stopped flying and let the wing go. I would be suspicious of birds that consistently stalled dead straight - no wing drop - maybe the wing never actually stalled. I have had my fair share of informstion so I will stop asking for tests. If you do however decide to try the power-off glide with some weight moved back - please let us know what you learn. Take care Steve ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 13:37:21 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Todds Canopy To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040503132620.00b81348@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >But boy is it a big canopy. >I'll have to start looking through all of those KR web pages to get >some info on fitting it. My KR2 is a bit wider (40" at the shoulders), but I created a pattern at the back that was fairly flat across the top. Then: 1. I cut a groove for the front of the canopy to rest in in the fore deck. 2. Next I floxed in the front and rear of the canopy into the fore deck and the turtle deck (with a layer of glass on the outside. 3. When those were dry (24-48 hours), I drilled through the side walls just below the Dragonfly canopy, 4. placed drilled wood strips on the inside of both sidewalls, 5. placed short backing strips at each hole, 6. floxed where the canopy would attach to the side walls, 7. screwed in molly bolts until the canopy was firmly held to the floxed areas, 8. glassed the spaces between the short wood strips on the side of the canopy. When this dried, the canopy was held firmly, but I then added a glass strip (and peel ply) along the whole side (each) to make sure and ease finishing. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 14:45:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Todds Canopy To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040503214509.27809.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a darker tinted Todd's Canopy. In Fact, Todd had just finished cooking your canopy, and was crating it when he took my order. I love how my canopy turned out, it's forward hinged which allows access to baggage and the front of the instrument panel. My KR is also wider than plans, so I built my own "droopy-string" lofted turtledeck. Makes my KR look like a Lance-Air. If you type in your browser window: http://kr-builder.org/ Then scroll down to almost the bottom to Other Builder's Presentations, Scott Cable's....you can get a pretty good idea on how I built the top-side of my fuselage and canopy frame. > >But boy is it a big canopy. > >I'll have to start looking through all of those KR > web pages to get some info on fitting it. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 07:48:27 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> KR2SX To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007b01c43158$70973fa0$5396dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My center spars are 10', with flaps, fuel tanks, between spars (14+ gallons ---------------- Riley Have your spars been beefed up, or standard size but lengthen to 10 ' Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 07:51:13 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Todds Canopy To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008201c43158$d343b750$5396dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Stephen I got this from the guy who got the canipies into Aust. ----------------- Hi there , Glad you got the lid ok, it is cheaper to ship by air, it came in a wood corner, card board box, as by the size it is a big box. Cutting, by the far the best way is to use a 4" grinder and a dimond cutting wheel ,don't use a cheap one, it cuts like chese. 19 June i will run a work shop day on glass wood and materials .Ross Evands kr2s will fly about June. Garry morgan Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 07:52:26 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Todds Canopy To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008e01c43158$fe7f1180$5396dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry Last post was not meant to go to the net Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 18:12:41 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: KR> Sun-N-Fun pictures To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" , "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <410-22004513221241796@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I have just posted some pictures I took at Sun-N-Fun. Several pictures of William Wynne's Zenair and the Corvair installation and some pictures of Steve Jones KR. http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/SNF2004.html Just prior to the Corvair seminar I walked right past William and thought he looked familiar but didn't realize who it was until he walked up front in the seminar. Jack Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:19:21 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> BoB Sauer's latest photo. To: "KR Net" , "Phil Matheson" Message-ID: <008701c4315c$af7a5a00$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob's nose gear is a copy of the Kitfox nose gear but beefed up a bit. The main gear is Diehl. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Matheson" To: "Mark Jones" Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:30 PM Subject: Re: KR> BoB Sauer's latest photo. > Mark, > Bob has a very unusual nose gear set up, is it is own design ? One > would think it would ( by just looking) place a lot of stress on the > nose leg. Very interesting. > > Phil Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > VH-PKR ( reserved) > 61 3 58833588 > > See our VW Engines and Home built web page at > http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ > > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 08:31:04 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Co-Pilot Passing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ec01c4315e$64d95cb0$5396dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Scott All the best. Thinking of you. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 16:31:51 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> KR2S Specs - thanks To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040503162526.00baa940@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ><< Troy's wouldn't break 200 mph with the VW engine and the old wing. >The > higher speeds came about after adding the new airfoil and the 0-200. >> > > Any rough idea of how much was contributed by each one? Indisputable evidence exists that reducing drag has a huge impact in speed. American Airlines, back in the days of DC-6s used to take them to Mexico and have them polished to a mirror finish. Given the same engine and fuel flow, they got an extra 30 knots. If you want speed, think glass smooth paint, nothing sticking in the way of air flow, and a cowling that does not block the prop. A sharp profile are what made the P51 fast. Power will add speed and climb, but clean does more - Ken R also proved that! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 20:21:05 -0400 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: KR> cowl To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040503.202105.-309645.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Dan Heath What mistake number should I apply to this? I spent the better part of yesterday fitting my top and bottom cowl halfs. I finially was satisfied with the top all attached in place. I decided to hold the spinner in place to check for clearance and location too. That's when i found that I hadn't allowed for the bulkhead of the spinner which has almost a 5/8" recess. At least I had fit it to long and could trim the cowl down again. I'm pretty sure I'm developing a twi, twit,-- Twitch. Joe Horton Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 20:27:54 -0500 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" Subject: KR> Troy's Knots To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002801c43177$066a3730$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Brian Kraut said: I spoke to Troy just yesterday. He told me his cruise speed is about 185-190 Knots, yes, Knots. He also said he will be at this years gathering. Does anyone know if he modified the wafs or wing strength other than the airfoil? Is the new airfoil on top of the old spar in the fuse? Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2SW Impostor lmcgee@maqs.net http://www.geocities.com/magoosus/plane.html ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:37:24 EDT From: SkyVisionSC@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR2S Materials To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <9f.4712626c.2dc84dd4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello... How much do you want for the materials you listed? I have been in your area several times. I was a friend of Austin Goodwin of Westport before his death. I enjoy the area where you live; it's a pilots dream! Thanks...Sherman Swofford skyvisionsc@aol.com or (864)-585-3327 or (864)-949-9736 ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 20:53:46 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> More on Bob Sauer To: "KR Net" , "Corvaircraft" Message-ID: <00f401c4317a$a3c3b620$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have added a couple more photos from Bob Sauer. A really good shot of his beefed up KitFox version nose gear. Also a shot of the old man :-) working on his Vair engine. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/Sauer.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 20:56:20 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: RE: KR> flight report To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040503205620.007cfa60@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >To my thinking, the next likely suspect tugging the snozzle down is a >fwd CG. Unlike tail heavy, a fwd CG is healthy any day of the week, >but if this is the case it may be useful to know. Is the elevator >still effective right into the stall - a fwd CG could provoke elevator >stall before the wing gets to its stalling angle. Difficult to tell >the difference coz something lets go, the nose drops and we recover >into S&L flight. Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve, Ask away for any test you want. Being the PIC I have the call on whether I do them or not. Besides it gives me an excuse to go flying, as if I need one. I will try the test again without slowing down from cruise speed and see what happens. I intended to try it on a short flight today but after taking off and circling the house once I decided to play about and above the puffy cumulus. Base was about 4500 and tops about 9000. The bird was climbing so well I just leaned the mixture and let it climb. At 9000 and 90 smph indicated I was still showing a solid 500 fpm climb rate. My CHT held at 300F and my oil temp was 190F. I finally shut it down at 10,500. I had maybe 5 to 8 gal of fuel on board at the time so my gross was approx 1025 lbs. I still don't trust my fuel guages and they were getting closer to the big E than I wanted so I made my decent over the airport. I'll try to do some more stalls and check out your question of the tail stalling before the wing. I think I'm getting a wing stall as I'm able to hold altitude right into the stall and the stick displacement is not that far to the rear. I have noted on several stalls that there seems to be a mild airframe buffet when approaching the stall. My stalls seem to be very gentle and I have had either/both wings drop at the stall with the ailerons still effective. I have found that I can't raise a wing with rudder as on a Cessna or Piper. If I am getting a tail stall it is at such a slow airspeed that I suspect it to never be a problem. I'm happy to have an apparent forward C.G. as my W.& B. would indicate. With me and full fuel (25 gal) I'm right at the C.G. midpoint. Since then I've moved my main battery forward approx 10 inches and replaced the tailwheel which took 2 pounds off the tail. I want to start flying with weight to simulate a passanger this week. If all goes well my Tripacer may very well be put up for sale. I'm finding I'm not flying it even when I go to the airport with that intention. It's hard to justify owning two horses when you're only riding one! :-) I've put 500 hour on the Tripe in the last 6 years and she has been one sweet bird. In 500 hours I've never had to cancel a flight or been left stranded anywhere because of mechanical reasons. I'll sure miss her if sold and can only hope my KR is that dependable. Look how many great KR air shots she has given us to enjoy. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:01:44 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Troy's Knots To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02ea01c4317b$c0192bb0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve McGee wrote: > Does anyone know if he modified the wafs or wing strength other than > the airfoil? Is the new airfoil on top of the old spar in the fuse? He put the AS5046 airfoil on his wings after he had an engine-out landing on a small country road, with an unfortunate curve in it. He broke one aluminum gear leg (his 4130 bracket wasn't even bent), the bottom of the cowling, and boogered up one of the spars, as I recall. I think he basically built two new outer wings, but left the original spars in the fuselage. WAFs are the same, but if I remember correctly, he didn't bother tapering the main spars front to rear, not for strength, but just because he didn't want to spend the time. The engine-out landing convinced him to install a full electrical system, which also accounted for some of the weight gain. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 55 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================