From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 65 Date: 8/9/2004 11:06:23 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Blue Dream is on it's way to a new home (Scott Cable) 2. Re: First Flight N202RH (Phil Matheson) 3. Re: KR2SS Flight / rudder (Phil Matheson) 4. Re: KR Sport pilot eligible??? (Wesley Scott) 5. Epoxy Varnish on Spars (rickcoy@comcast.net) 6. Re: Epoxy Varnish on Spars - OK to use it on the spars? (Dan Heath) 7. Re: KR2SS Flight / rudder (Dan Heath) 8. Re: KR2SS Flight / rudder (Duncan) 9. Light Sport Aircraft (Dan Heath) 10. Re: Epoxy Varnish on Spars (patrusso) 11. RE: Light Sport Aircraft (Dana Overall) 12. Re: KR2SS Flight / rudder (Orma) 13. P factor (Orma) 14. EAA Next Century of Flight update (Ron Eason) 15. RE: First Flight N202RH (Ronald Bailey) 16. Re: P factor (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 17. Re: P factor (larry flesner) 18. Re: Epoxy Varnish on Spars (cartera) 19. RE: Epoxy Varnish on Spars (Wood, Sidney M.) 20. RE: First Flight N202RH (Joachim Saupe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: KR> Blue Dream is on it's way to a new home To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040809040841.28298.qmail@web53002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Netters; James Dunn and his lovely wife Brandy left this afternoon with the Blue Dream. It was sad to see her go, but I was assured that Jim and his wife will stay in touch. We had a wonderful visit together, shared some stories, and some of my wife's famous blueberry pancakes! Please wish Jim and Brandy a safe trip back home to Canada. It took them 35 hours to get here! I suspect that it will take a little longer to get back, all things considered!!!! So for me it's on to finishing other projects. I was hoping to finish my Corvette project by the Gathering, but that's been delayed a while also. Michelle broke her ankle Friday night by falling off one of our horses. Gotta get this family healthy again!!!! See you all at the gathering!!!! Scott Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:10:41 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> First Flight N202RH To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002401c47dc6$d6820ba0$4697dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rick Great job WELL DONE Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:23:17 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> KR2SS Flight / rudder To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003001c47dc8$98f5e700$4697dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, I had the great pleasure of spending about 45 min in Garry Morgans' KR2SS on Thursday, It was Blowing gale, 20 knots X wind. the Kr handles it with ease (well almost But no problems. It to needs very little or no rudder, except on the ground. It;s tri-gear, and in strong cross wind, you had to peddle alot when slow taxing. Handles great in the air.a real SPORTS CAR. Lands well in strong X Wind. Question How do I go about putting a video clip on my web page of the take OFF and landing ??????? Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:29:54 -0500 From: "Wesley Scott" Subject: Re: KR> KR Sport pilot eligible??? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001801c47dc9$86a3d980$7ea70a04@pbrain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That list is out of date. It uses the proposed not the final gross weight (1232) and stall speed (39 kts) and did not use the maximum cruise speed parameter. There is a new list at http://www.sportpilot.org/lsa/likely_lsa.html Neither list includes the KR family. Given the advertised specs of a 200 mph top speed (in level flight at maximum continuous power) the KR doesn't qualify. As has been said previously in this thread, if you put a 1600 VW in a KR2S you won't reach 200. The cruise speeds that get posted seem to be in the 120-140mph range. Since the max speed limit is 120 kts = 138 mph, a KR with a small engine may actually meet the LSA requirements. -- wesley scott kr2@spottedowl.biz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Sport pilot eligible??? > The EAA is already compiling a list of aircraft that are eliable and > can be > found at this link http://www.sportpilot.org/lsa/homebuilt_list.html > which by the way lists the Loehle 5151with FIXED gear only. > There is also a listing for certified aircraft. > my 2 cents > Ed Larsen > Ypsi, MI > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 05:48:55 +0000 From: rickcoy@comcast.net Subject: KR> Epoxy Varnish on Spars To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <080920040548.15652.41171047000AE44800003D24220076143897010C050C079D@comcast.net> I have some epoxy varnish left over from painting the inside of the fuse. Is it OK to use it on the spars? They're closed, but I haven't begun to assemble the wings yet. Rick Coykendall KR-2 rickcoy@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 05:38:05 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy Varnish on Spars - OK to use it on the spars? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <411745FD.000009.00204@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If epoxy resin will stick to it, I don't why not. You can definitely use it on the web and the only reason that I wouldn't use it on the caps is if you were concerned about the bond you will get, to the spar, when you glass the wing. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 05:43:46 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> KR2SS Flight / rudder To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41174752.00000B.00204@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Phil, I think you just put the file on your site and put a link somewhere on one of your pages. Be sure to keep the original file name extension so the browser will know how to open it. That is the first real positive account that I have read of a KR in heavy cross wind. Must the the tri-gear. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:55:37 +1200 From: Duncan Subject: Re: KR> KR2SS Flight / rudder To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040809214755.045f3968@styx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Phil, There are a number of ways, but you could just transfer the video clip to your web site (put it in the same folder as your HTML file) and reference it in a hyperlink. Something like: some link text That should do it. Regards, Duncan ==================================== At 04:23 p.m. 9/08/2004, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I had the great pleasure of spending about 45 min in Garry Morgans' KR2SS >on Thursday, It was Blowing gale, 20 knots X wind. the Kr handles it with >ease (well almost But no problems. It to needs very little or no rudder, >except on the ground. It;s tri-gear, and in strong cross wind, you had to >peddle alot when slow taxing. Handles great in the air.a real SPORTS CAR. > >Lands well in strong X Wind. > >Question >How do I go about putting a video clip on my web page of the take OFF and >landing ??????? > > >Phil Matheson >matheson@dodo.com.au >VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) >61 3 58833588 >Australia.( Down Under) >See My KR2 Building Web Page at: >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html > >See our VW Engines and Home built web page at >http://www.vw-engines.com/ >www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html Duncan of Devonport Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 06:08:25 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Light Sport Aircraft To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41174D19.000015.00204@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Have you looked at this list? No one should go wanting for an airplane to build in this category. The sad thing is that the KR is missing from the motor glider section. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:03:12 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy Varnish on Spars To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000d01c47e00$7be93f80$16a972d8@3z4xt01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cured epoxy leaves a waxy residue that must be cleared off from surfaces that will be reglued to attach other parts. You may find it easier to finish you rib and other attachments to the spar before epoxying. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 1:48 AM Subject: KR> Epoxy Varnish on Spars > I have some epoxy varnish left over from painting the inside of the fuse. Is it OK to use it on the spars? They're closed, but I haven't begun to assemble the wings yet. > > Rick Coykendall > KR-2 > rickcoy@yahoo.com > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:28:15 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> Light Sport Aircraft To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Dan Heath" >Have you looked at this list? No one should go wanting for an airplane to >build in this category. The sad thing is that the KR is missing from the >motor glider section. If you check the government .doc file you will see the the complexity of compliance documentation required to meet the requirements of the sport pilot aircraft category. It is up to the manufacturer, or builder, to supply the government with test data sufficient to satisfy the certification process. It is much, much more than................."I swear that's all she'll do". An individual could do it but it will be an undertaking. In the motor glider scenerio or sport pilot category, it is up to Rand Robinson to present supporting test documentation for inclusion to the category. I post this not to inhibit one from pursuing this path, but do your homework. The sport pilot is not an attempt to open the door to those who don't meet medical requirements or to get a bunch of garage built airplanes into the air. It is a highly, highly requlation provision within the FAA. Do your homework. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:48:38 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> KR2SS Flight / rudder To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003201c47e0f$32011f00$442bd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How do I go about putting a video clip on my web page of the take OFF and landing ??????? To go along with the other responses, I used Microsoft programs to make short sections of my video (http://kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/FlightVideo.htm). . the original is from an 8MM Sony Handy Cam, converted to digital using a Dazzle digital video converter. I made small clips using MS programs. One file extension is MSWMM (MS Windows Movie Maker), and the other is WMV (Windows Media Audio/Video file). The Movie Maker, makes smaller files, something like 14k for 20 seconds, vs. 490k for the same clip using the WMV. The smaller files are grainy. I personally would like to use better quality clips in my web site and would appreciate additional how to's ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:57:40 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> P factor To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003f01c47e10$7527b6d0$442bd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net This is a question for KR drivers with big engines like the O-200, the Corvair's and turbo VW's. Can any one discuss the difference in the amount of P factor as a comparison to their experience with a lower powered engine? Was there enough rudder to compensate, or did you have to keep the power low waiting on rudder authority? If you can answer these questions based on your KR experiences, please make an input. Orma L. Robbins To the gathering or bust ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:08:16 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: KR> EAA Next Century of Flight update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001501c47e11$ef341c10$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Although total estimated attendance figures show a 10- to 12-percent decrease from the enormous 770,000 figure from 2003, due to weather, economic factors and other reasons, EAA President Tom Poberezny found little over which to be disappointed following this year's event. "Everyone associated with this year's EAA AirVenture, be it members, visitors, exhibitors or sponsors, was very pleased with the enthusiasm and activity throughout the grounds," Poberezny said. "A near-record number of vendors throughout the grounds reported brisk sales and interest, while visitor surveys show their experiences were overwhelmingly positive. EAA again brought together the world of flight for a celebration that is unmatched anywhere else in the world for its size and scope." EAA AirVenture's activities attracted such luminaries as Harrison Ford, Burt Rutan, Mike Melvill and Paul Tibbets to the event, while more than 10,000 airplanes (including nearly 2,500 showplanes) made the trek to the annual fly-in. In addition, EAA members enjoyed more focused activities than ever, primarily based around the new EAA Member Village in the center of the grounds. Among the final figures for the event were: a.. More than 10,000 airplanes from North America, Europe, South America, Africa and Australia; b.. Among those airplanes were nearly 2,500 showplanes that were eligible for judging in one of 11 different categories; c.. A near-record 802 commercial exhibitors (record: 807 in 2003); d.. More than 30,000 campers housed along the EAA AirVenture flight line in aircraft camping areas or in the drive-in e.. Camp Scholler facility adjacent to the flight line; f.. Approximately 700 reporters from five continents, sending coverage worldwide; g.. In excess of 4,000 volunteers who contributed more than 250,000 hours of service h.. A total of 1,429 international aviation enthusiasts from 61 nations who registered at the International Visitors Tent (top three nations: Canada 438, Germany 144, Australia 117). "Along with the basic facts and figures, EAA AirVenture is a remarkable event because it truly does bring together all of aviation, including every facet of recreational flight," Poberezny said. "In addition, the nation's top policymakers such as the top officials from FAA, NASA and NTSB, as well as leading Congressional representatives, came to Oshkosh. Those relationships built and strengthened by EAA here pay dividends for all of aviation throughout the year." A special highlight of this year's event was the introduction of the new sport pilot/light-sport aircraft rule, a much-anticipated set of regulations that will open the world of recreational flight to many more people by reducing time and cost barriers. FAA Administrator Marion Blakey spent two days at Oshkosh, emphasizing the new opportunities available through sport pilot. Additional details of individual events and highlights from this year's event are available at the EAA AirVenture web site (www.airventure.org). Currently, EAA AirVenture 2005 is scheduled for July 26-August 1, although finalized dates and theme will be announced later this year. Rutan and Melvill Tell SpaceShipOne Story By Jack Hodgson Burt Rutan, right, watches as Mike Melvill presents Tom Poberezny with one of the two $20 bills he took into suborbital space in SpaceShipOne on June 21. Photo by Dan Luft Groundbreaking aeronautics designer, popular EAA AirVenture forum presenter, and EAA member, Burt Rutan, made his first public appearance at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2004 Thursday night at a packed Theater in the Woods session. After an evening of award presentations, Rutan took the stage at 9 p.m. to a standing ovation. With the help of his friend, and the world's newest astronaut, Mike Melvill, he kept the overflow crowd, which had people standing 5-10 deep all around the perimeter of the theater, enthralled for the next two hours. He spent the first 10 minutes reporting on the GlobalFlyer project, which he described as "this decade's Voyager." His company, Scaled Composites, is building the aircraft for aviation adventurer Steve Fossett. Fossett plans to use GlobalFlyer, which is being sponsored by Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic, to attempt a first-ever solo, unrefueled flight around the world. The plane is still in flight testing, but they hope to attempt the flight next winter. Burt played a short video of the GlobalFlyer roll-out, which showed the aircraft in the Scaled hangar surrounded by special effects fog and flashing blue lights. Rutan described the flashy production as having been produced in "Mojavewood." Then Rutan came to the part of the evening that the crowd was waiting for. He introduced Melvill, who came onstage to the second standing ovation of the evening, and they spent the next hour and three-quarters in a fascinating description of the project's goals, philosophies, activities, and future plans. Melvill kicked off the session by presenting EAA President Tom Poberezny with a framed $20 bill that Melvill had taken with him into space on the historic June 21 flight. A clearly moved Poberezny accepted the unexpected gift, reading the inscriptions to the audience. Rutan started off by remembering that it was exactly six years ago when he told an EAA AirVenture audience that he thought there was more difference between the earliest homebuilt aircraft and a Lancair, than there was between a Lancair and a suborbital aircraft. "I want to tell you," he said, "I was wrong." He said he had thought that it would be easier to develop the suborbital system than it turned out to be. "For example," he said, "I didn't know I would have to build a rocket system." He told about how he had thought long and hard about the challenges of the system, and how he could completely accomplish it, before going to Paul Allen, who he already knew, and asking for the money. They started working on the rocket system, and the White Knight, in May 2001. They only began work on the SpaceShipOne craft a year later. They contracted much of the rocket development out to two different small companies. "We had two small shops competing against each other in the hope one of them could do it." In the end both shops delivered usable systems, and the one that was selected was only better by a few percent. Rutan spoke about how the program is now over a year behind schedule. "But no one knew it, because I never told anyone what the schedule was." His advice: "Don't even tell your customer what your schedule is." One of the most important attributes of the suborbital system, which Rutan repeatedly mentioned, is its affordability. He spoke about the low marginal cost of the system, which is achieved because very little of the crafts need to be replaced after each flight. "Our primary accomplishment," he said of the project, "is to show that it doesn't wear out, and it doesn't cost a lot to do it over and over." "We know this is easier than going to orbit," Rutan said, "but we learned a lot of things, and we're excited to start applying them." Rutan believes that suborbital space tourism will be an exciting and competitive industry over the next 10 to 20 years. "Eventually a suborbital flight will cost about the same as a luxury cruise or an SUV." And he says that this program will certainly lead to "going to the moon, Mars and, when someone makes a better engine, the stars." The evening also included some never-before-seen video of the actual flight. The video is part of a documentary about the project that will be aired on the Discovery Channel in the future. The audience was delighted when Rutan described his idea of bringing the White Knight and SpaceShipOne to a future EAA AirVenture. A lottery would be held and two lucky attendees would get to take a ride into space, which would launch from the Wittman runway at the start of the afternoon air show, rocket into space over Lake Winnebago midway through the show, and recover in front of the crowd at the end. "I don't know if we'll be able to do that," he said, "but I'd like to." Rutan announced that he plans to give SpaceShipOne to the EAA AirVenture Museum sometime in the future, and that 100 grams of the craft will be carried on the first private probe to go to Venus. One highlight of the evening was when Rutan stepped back and Melvill, who had patiently stood aside for most of the evening, described the historic flight from his perspective. He described the confidence he had in the system, the moments of fear, the problems to be solved during the flight, the fun moments of spraying M&Ms around the weightless cockpit ("I didn't tell anyone I was going to do that. Not even Burt. He didn't find out about it until the post-flight press conference." "Actually," said Rutan, "I knew about it when I saw them all over the floor."), and finally he told of the sense of awe he felt in being part of this historic achievement. "It was awe-inspiring," he said. "Beyond description, beyond anything I can tell you about." Rutan concluded by saying. "From all the excitement, my job now is to make it boring." "I want to see affordable flight to the moon and Mars in my lifetime," he said. One audience member asked Rutan what advice he had for designers. "Try different things," he said. "There are breakthroughs that seem like nonsense at first. The way you make breakthroughs is by taking a chance on things that at first seem like nonsense." NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe: In His Own Words By James Wynbrandt Shortly after arriving for his first visit to EAA AirVenture Oshkosh, NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe spoke with AirVenture Today about his impressions of the event, and NASA's efforts to inspire the next generation of explorers. Following is an edited transcript of his comments. AT: Welcome to AirVenture. What are your first impressions? SO: Thank you. It's spectacular. Yesterday afternoon I was in Alaska, flying in a floatplane. I caught a flight from Anchorage to Chicago last night, then flew here this morning. This is beyond description. I've heard it's an overwhelming event, but this is times two at least! AT: I understand your sons are Young Eagles. SO: Yes, Jonathan is 15, and Kevin is 13. The two of them flew last September near Leesburg, Virginia. They thought this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. AT: The Young Eagles program has inspired so many youngsters. What can NASA do to inspire our next generation? SO: Our most recent effort is the Explorer School effort, which is really about asking educators and teachers, "What materials do you need to bring math and science to life?" So it's very customized, rather than saying, "Let's package up a bunch of stuff and mass mail it." Each year we select 50 (schools). Many are in places that are nowhere near NASA centers or Air Force bases or anything, and yet the whole place is just completely consumed with space exploration. The ones I visited last spring have been Explorer Schools for a full year; it's astounding to see the difference in some of these schools and the way they do this. AT: NASA is reducing the number of its operating units from seven to four. What is the purpose of that reorganization? SO: When you maintain "stove pipes," a real clear line between every one of the divisions, it almost motivates exactly the opposite behavior that you want. So the collaboration and synergy between them is strained at best, and nonexistent in the more common scenario. And the notion behind the reorganization is that it's about the mission. How we apply our capabilities toward the mission is really the point, instead of these individual "wholly owned subsidiaries" as enterprises. So we're reorganizing in a way that forces synergy among science, aeronautics research, exploration systems, and operations that gives a very clear management line that's all focused on the mission. AT: NASA wants to encourage private enterprise to undertake low earth orbital missions. How do you encourage that, and how do you define low earth orbit? SO: Where the space station orbits (and below). The objective there would be to contract services. It's like a souped-up X Prize: "Hey, we need to get stuff to the International Space Station. Who's got an idea how to do that?" And rather than paying to develop the technology, the answer is, "We' ll pay you for X number of tons of that stuff. You get it there, you get paid. You don't, you don't." AV: It's like you're contracting with a trucking company. SO: That's a very good analogy. And the consequence of that approach is it makes it a lot more accessible for them, and frees us up so NASA can get back to the technology and the innovation and the exploration business. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:26:02 -0500 From: "Ronald Bailey" Subject: RE: KR> First Flight N202RH To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear Rick, As a long time lurker, I have been drooling over other guys KRs and wishing I were starting on mine right now. Unfortunately, I have a half finished 44 foot trimaran in my back yard, and it has to get finished first. I live in Texas city, so I was wondering if your KR was anywhere close by so I could see it sometime. I'll show you mine if you show me yours......craft I mean Ron Bailey s/v Phantom (under construction) 44 foot Marples design trimaran >From: "Rick Human" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: KR> First Flight N202RH >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:41:08 -0500 > >Yesterday 8/7/2004 KR-2 N202RH took flight for the first time. The flight >was a short one but the pilot and the aircraft made a safe circuit of the >field. So that's a success by anyone's measure. A hot engine necessitated >the short flight but we'll fix that in good time. > >N202RH weights 683 lbs empty - has a Cont C-85 with a trike gear and was >begun in Oct 1985. > >As was pointed out in earlier notes it does take time when it's a HOBBY >project and as a result takes a back seat to everything else, job, family, >friends, friends projects, etc. > >We will not make the gathering but maybe next year - hope to have pictures >later. (unfortunately the photographer (me) was out of place for the take >off - so a enactment of the first flight will have to be staged ! :-) > >PS: no PIO's encountered but the test pilot did think that the rudder is >overly powerful. > >Rick Human >Houston, Texas > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:40:00 GMT From: "jscott.pilot@juno.com" Subject: Re: KR> P factor To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040809.074045.12969.281987@webmail05.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain -- "Orma" wrote: Hello Net This is a question for KR drivers with big engines like the O-200, the Corvair's and turbo VW's. Can any one discuss the difference in the amount of P factor as a comparison to their experience with a lower powered engine? Was there enough rudder to compensate, or did you have to keep the power low waiting on rudder authority? If you can answer these questions based on your KR experiences, please make an input. Orma L. Robbins To the gathering or bust --------------- Orma, With my O-200, I don't have quite enough right rudder on my initial takeoff roll, but can easily deal with the torque by holding the tail down and using the tailwheel steering until I see 40mph indicated. By then, there's plenty of rudder unless there's a significant crosswind from the left. Then I might have to bump the right brake a couple of times to keep things straightened out. Jeff ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:13:56 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> P factor To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040809101356.00829ca0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >This is a question for KR drivers with big engines like the O-200, the Corvair's and turbo VW's. Can any one discuss the difference in the amount of P factor as a comparison to their experience with a lower powered engine? >Orma L. Robbins ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I have no comparison to smaller engines but I can tell you I've not had a single problem with P factor with the 0-200. My KR has a 24" stretch, a 90" wide main gear, a 4" tail wheel, and standard size rudder and elevators. In well over 100 takeoffs I've yet to touch a brake and generally need very little rudder input. I bring the power up to max over the first 100 feet or so, wait a second or two to raise the tail, then lift off at flying speed. With my wide gear and tailwheel setup I can bring the power up to max immediately and still not have a control problem. I always have probably 30+ mph on the takeoff roll before raising the tail. There is never a tendancy to head for the weeds although gusty winds have raised the hair on the back of my neck a few times! :-) On the shorter grass strips I'm more aggressive on the power and still no problems. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:13:21 -0600 From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy Varnish on Spars To: KRnet Message-ID: <4117A2A1.4000105@spots.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Good Morning This is a misconception, cured epoxy does not leave a waxy residue only in the esters does this happen. That is why one if necessary can put polyester on epoxy but not epoxy on any polyester. Furthermore, it's not a good idea to mix systems. Suggest that a thorough research be done on resins before this misconception is thrown out. This is why it is not a good idea to use varnish on the inside for sealing, but epoxy diluted with alcohol then one does not have to sand out varnish in the event that further gluing has to take place. However, it should still be roughed up before gluing for adhesion. Happy Flying! patrusso wrote: > Cured epoxy leaves a waxy residue that must be cleared off from surfaces > that will be reglued to attach other parts. You may find it easier to finish > you rib and other attachments to the spar before epoxying. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 1:48 AM > Subject: KR> Epoxy Varnish on Spars > > > >>I have some epoxy varnish left over from painting the inside of the fuse. > > Is it OK to use it on the spars? They're closed, but I haven't begun to > assemble the wings yet. > >>Rick Coykendall >>KR-2 >>rickcoy@yahoo.com >> >>_______________________________________ >>to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >>please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > . > -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@spots.ab.ca http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:47:17 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> Epoxy Varnish on Spars To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Type A epoxy resins contain a small amount of wax. The curing epoxy is hydroscopic: The resin draws moisture from the air; this will interfere with the polymerization process and drastically slows down the curing process to the point of staying tacky for months. The wax film prevents the hydroscopic action. Type B epoxy resins (so called laminating resins) do not contain the wax. Their intended use is for multiply lay-ups in quick succession before the first or under laying lay-ups have cured. The final lay-up would use Type A resin for open air room cure. Vacuum bagging would use Type B throughout. Unless the label says otherwise, you can assume the resin is the Type A containing the wax. The resins used in polyester and vinyl ester tend to dissolve the surface of cured epoxy, which then resets in the curing process to effect a tighter bond. Do not confuse this ester to epoxy bond as a true polymer bond. These are totally different families of chemicals. It would be like saying lizards and birds lay eggs, so they should be pretty much the same animal. As stated in the previous post, it's not a good idea to mix systems. Sid Wood, Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD, USA Sidney.wood@titan.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of cartera Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:13 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy Varnish on Spars Good Morning This is a misconception, cured epoxy does not leave a waxy residue only in the esters does this happen. That is why one if necessary can put polyester on epoxy but not epoxy on any polyester. Furthermore, it's not a good idea to mix systems. Suggest that a thorough research be done on resins before this misconception is thrown out. This is why it is not a good idea to use varnish on the inside for sealing, but epoxy diluted with alcohol then one does not have to sand out varnish in the event that further gluing has to take place. However, it should still be roughed up before gluing for adhesion. Happy Flying! patrusso wrote: > Cured epoxy leaves a waxy residue that must be cleared off from surfaces > that will be reglued to attach other parts. You may find it easier to finish > you rib and other attachments to the spar before epoxying. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 1:48 AM > Subject: KR> Epoxy Varnish on Spars > > > >>I have some epoxy varnish left over from painting the inside of the fuse. > > Is it OK to use it on the spars? They're closed, but I haven't begun to > assemble the wings yet. > >>Rick Coykendall >>KR-2 >>rickcoy@yahoo.com -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@spots.ab.ca http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:05:57 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> First Flight N202RH To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-2200481918557718@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Congrats!!!!!!111 > [Original Message] > From: Rick Human > To: KRnet > Date: 8/8/2004 8:38:07 PM > Subject: KR> First Flight N202RH > > Yesterday 8/7/2004 KR-2 N202RH took flight for the first time. The flight > was a short one but the pilot and the aircraft made a safe circuit of the > field. So that's a success by anyone's measure. A hot engine necessitated > the short flight but we'll fix that in good time. > > N202RH weights 683 lbs empty - has a Cont C-85 with a trike gear and was > begun in Oct 1985. > > As was pointed out in earlier notes it does take time when it's a HOBBY > project and as a result takes a back seat to everything else, job, family, > friends, friends projects, etc. > > We will not make the gathering but maybe next year - hope to have pictures > later. (unfortunately the photographer (me) was out of place for the take > off - so a enactment of the first flight will have to be staged ! :-) > > PS: no PIO's encountered but the test pilot did think that the rudder is > overly powerful. > > Rick Human > Houston, Texas > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 65 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================