From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 74 Date: 8/16/2004 8:59:46 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: gathering update (Wesley Scott) 2. RE: Dynon EFIS (Dana Overall) 3. RE: Dynon EFIS (larry severson) 4. Engine Problems (Barry Kruyssen) 5. Re: Engine Problems (Dan Heath) 6. Re: Dynon EFIS (Mike Turner) 7. RE: hurricane damage (Ron Freiberger) 8. RE: hurricane damage (Ron Freiberger) 9. Engine Problems (larry flesner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:20:00 -0500 From: "Wesley Scott" Subject: Re: KR> gathering update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001601c483e7$8f54cd40$69a60a04@pbrain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The gathering website does not have a list of the people preregistered or any ridesharing information like it has in years past. Is that a permanent situation? -- wesley scott kr2@spottedowl.biz ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: KR> gathering update > > > Just passing along a comment from John's preregistration form if > anyone is interested. Larry Flesner > =========================================================== > Flying in Thursday around 6pm at STL and flying out Sunday 11:30 STl have > rental card can give rides > John Monday > JSMONDAY@aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:30:53 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> Dynon EFIS To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Wood, Sidney M." >The D10 is not certified for Instrument Flight Rules applications and >should not be relied on in Instrument Meteorological Conditions. There are >several certified EFIS brands available for IFR use, with corresponding >price tags to match. The D10 does provide all the FAA-required flight >instrument displays for VFR, including the magnetic compass I have flown behind a Dynon in several RVs and have it in my panel. Fast flight, slow flight and anywhere in between it is rock solid steady. This is a unit I am very, very familiar with. Sid, and others, the Dynon unit, just like an artificial horizon does not have to be "certified" for IFR use. The FARs list the required equipment performance appropriate for the ground facilities to be used for IFR flight. The old vac instruments contained within the solid state Dynon do not have to be TSO'd instruments, and accordingly the Dynon does not have to be either. Sid, I'm not picking on your comment just want to get the correct information presented. Stick a Dynon in and you are legal using it in the IFR environment.....................now, is a KR an IFR airplane..............that's a totally different subject. As for backups.................put a Trio Avionics EZ Pilot autopilot in for under $1000 that has functions of a wing leveler, a electrical system off Aeroelectric.com using battery buss, main buss and essential buss, internal battery in the Dynon and pitch the old steam gauges out the window. Lots of things have to go wrong all at the same time...........................in IFR for you to have your ticket punched by the big ol ATC guy upstairs. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:53:14 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: RE: KR> Dynon EFIS To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040816175133.02922868@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >As for backups.................put a Trio Avionics EZ Pilot autopilot Says it needs a Navaid servo. Can the Dynon provide that function? >in for >under $1000 that has functions of a wing leveler, a electrical system >off Aeroelectric.com using battery buss, main buss and essential buss, >internal battery in the Dynon and pitch the old steam gauges out the >window. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:40:06 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: KR> Engine Problems To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013901c483fb$217aea70$7000a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, Well after 10 hours running (and not getting into the air) my Hirth F30U packed it in. The crankshaft is &*(%^* stuffed. (sorry for the bad language). A new crank is worth AU$3000 + dollars plus gaskets, bearings, etc. There are extenuating circumstances which I won't air here. But the main problem is that Hirth could not help with my initial problem (running rough after getting hot), so I pulled down the engine on a fact find mission. The next problem is I've can't find a satisfied Hirth owner (let alone one with the same engine as I have), every one I've talked to has a complaint. So I'm thinking of scrapping the Hirth and putting in a Jabiru 85hp @ 60kg or 120hp @ 81kg. My Hirth is/was 92hp @ 52kg. The smaller engine is preferable as the weight will be easier to deal with, But we all want HORSEPOWER. 1. Is 120hp to much for a standard KR2? 2. Is 85hp to little for a standard KR2? 3. What hp is recommended for a standard KR2? (the Rand Robinson Engineering web page recommends a VW 2100, what hp is that?) Extremely Frustrated :-( Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:12:55 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Engine Problems To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <412169A7.000001.02320@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Barry, 1. Is 120hp to much for a standard KR2? I think so. When Dan Diehl put the 0200 in his KR, he had to put some aileron tabs on to counteract the torque. 2. Is 85hp to little for a standard KR2? Absolutely not. That is about 10 more than perfect, in my opinion. 3. What hp is recommended for a standard KR2? (the Rand Robinson Engineering web page recommends a VW 2100, what hp is that?) I don't know what is recommended, or if there really is a recommendation. I like the 2180. I think less is a little too less and more is good up to a point. However, all this depends on your weight and your W & B. The KR would go together a lot faster if there were directions, and limits, and restrictions, and recommendations, but what would be the fun in that? "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:25:43 -0500 From: "Mike Turner" Subject: Re: KR> Dynon EFIS To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: Dana Overall To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 7:30 PM Subject: RE: KR> Dynon EFIS Dana, if you're going to be pitching steam gages out the window just make sure you pitch them so I can catch them!!!!! see you at the gathering Mike Turner As for backups.................put a Trio Avionics EZ Pilot autopilot in for under $1000 that has functions of a wing leveler, a electrical system off Aeroelectric.com using battery buss, main buss and essential buss, internal battery in the Dynon and pitch the old steam gauges out the window. Lots of things have to go wrong all at the same time...........................in IFR for you to have your ticket punched by the big ol ATC guy upstairs. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:09:50 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> hurricane damage To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John Sickafoose SAID; Naples, Fl (but in Ohio for the summer - to escape the hurriacanes) How about you, Ron Freiberger, are you still on the net. He knew the plane too. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yep, that's Bob's airplane. I'm sure the wings were off. The new owner found numerous structural problems due to Bob bouncing it into the pavement VERY hard, many times. Especially along the lower fuselage and tail group. I'm sure it will be torn down for the engine, which would have run very well if Bob would have bought a real carburetor for it. He was a great personal friend, and one of my total failures as a tech counselor. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:27:02 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> hurricane damage To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark; put PRIVATE on this message... ;o) That's Bob's plane, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear Skip put out on the tiedown just prior to Charley's arrival Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 7:10 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> hurricane damage > Well, that sure is Diehl gear and sure looks like a Dragonfly canopy and an > RF48 airfoil. If I were a gambling man, I would bet that it is. Any idea > who's? Definitely a KR2, probablyl an S. There are only two that appear in the database, and one is in Lee County, registered as N925BW, to Bob Wetzel of Cape Coral. But since this one had no wings, maybe it wasn't registered yet, so who knows. I'm pretty amazed that the tail was blown off and the canopy stayed attached though. I want to see those canopy latches! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:37:03 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Engine Problems To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040816223703.00874100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >1. Is 120hp to much for a standard KR2? >>Barry, +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >I think so. When Dan Diehl put the 0200 in his KR, he had to put some >aileron tabs on to counteract the torque. Daniel R. Heath ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> I think that was Jean Veron that put the 0-200 in Ol' Blue (Dan Diehl's KR) after he purchased it from Dan. I don't recall him having a problem with torque in the flight mode. I recall he never got the performance he was expecting with the 0-200. Marty Roberts had a handling problem when he first installed the 0-200 but corrected the problem by shimming the motor mount. I on the other hand didn't have a single problem from day one with the 0-200. I don't think my 24" stretch would have anything to do with how it handles in the roll axis. Mark Langford is the only other pilot, other than myself, to handle the stick in my KR. I'll let him attest to the handling qualities. My personal opinion is if the pilot can handle it the KR can too IF it's built right and built true aerodynamiclly. There are KR's flying with 0-200's putting out 120+ hp and they are real screamers. The two that come to mind are both basiclly stock KR2's although one has the new wing. Just remember, with that much power, you're pushing the edges of the design envelope for the KR. As a final thought, I'm assuming you plan to install a throttle. If you don't want 120 hp, don't push the throttle to the stop. :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 74 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================