From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 80 Date: 8/20/2004 6:07:20 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Plan #'s (larry flesner) 2. Re: Wedding at Oshkosh (cartera) 3. Do it yourself machine shop... (Steve Glover) 4. RE: Plan #'s (Stephen Jacobs) 5. RE: Plan #'s (Edward Seaman) 6. RE: Plan #'s (Ronald Metcalf) 7. Re: Do it yourself machine shop... (Dan Heath) 8. Re: Blade angles Warpdrive (Martindale Family) 9. Re: Blade angles Warpdrive (Kenneth B. Jones) 10. new RR prices (Mark Langford) 11. RE: Plan #'s (Brian Kraut) 12. RE: new RR prices (Steve Glover) 13. RE: Plan #'s (larry severson) 14. Re: KR "boat" for sale (Ballsofbugs@aol.com) 15. RE: @WL KR> tortional loads +early friday (Kelly McKee) 16. Blade number (Colin & Bev Rainey) 17. Resistor (Colin & Bev Rainey) 18. Inspection vs Gathering (Wesley Scott) 19. Wing Stub Question (Cowgirl2fly@aol.com) 20. Damage from Hurricane Charley (cgardn628) 21. Type 4 Engine Buildup (Orma) 22. Boelube (Wendell Nicholson) 23. Re: Wing Stub Question (larry flesner) 24. Ken and Larry (Martindale Family) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:22:33 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Plan #'s To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040819232233.007ac430@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The new serial No. is KR-2S #542 and the master file >book No. 77. I believe that I only have to present to the FAA >representative, the latest serial number for the KR2S # 542, at the >time of pre-flight inspections. Bud Midkiff KR2S ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I don't think the FAA cares a hoot what the plans # is. My DAR never asked to see the plans and the paperwork for the FAA to register your project says you can assign any serial number you want and suggests many builders will use their social security #. I used some of the numbers from my plans for the aircraft serial number but they were just so much ink on the paper as far as the FAA was concerned. As for building only one aircraft from a set of plans, that's between you and RR. You sign a statement agreeing to that stipulation but who's going to know and who's going to enforce it? Let your conscience be your guide. The FAA is not the "copywrite" police and they aren't going to enforce your agreement with RR. Don't forget to go to the Gathering website and print out the flyer to take to airports to get the word out. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:32:49 -0600 From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> Wedding at Oshkosh To: KRnet Message-ID: <41257EF1.7050708@spots.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Dan, A very nice presentation, all pages, nice to see all the other things that happen in our lives and not just airplanes. Cheers to all and Happy Flying! Adrian Dan Heath wrote: > For you who think you have seen it all at a fly-in. This is a member > of our chapter who has recently moved to Virginia. He was an air > traffic controller at CAE. How would you like to have Patty Wagstaff, > Paul and Tom Poberezney in your wedding party and get escorted to the > wedding reception in Red One?. This is in PDF format. > > It is just under my picture at http://KR-Builder.org > > I hope I spelled their names right. > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, > and the time for building has long since expired." > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > . > -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@spots.ab.ca http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:44:00 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: KR> Do it yourself machine shop... To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello All, I came across this on the Canard list. Anyone who needs some machine work done and cannot find a source should check it out. http://www.emachineshop.com/ Regards, Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca. kr02g@cox.net "Mt. Vernon or Bust!" ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:12:12 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Plan #'s To: , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001601c4867c$a57b1470$d864a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" just don't want to spend the one (1) percent to get started - is clearly prevalent among this group. ++++++++++++++++++ I have been following posts on this net for over a year and I am hard pushed to understand where you sucked this one out. Isolated cases maybe, but PREVALENT AMONG THIS GROUP - Issssssh. >From what I can make out everyone has plans, some folks have more than one set. The vendor has effectively sold the rights to build 10,000 Kr's (and collected the loot) - 80% of that will just never happen, so all-in-all the vendor is doing Ok. RR continues to do business thanks to this net and the folks that control it and keep it clean. Without KRnet, this brilliant little airplane would have shrivelled up and disappeared many years ago - in stead it grew and matured to what it is today (thanks to KRnet and those FEW guys). I have no doubt that this would please Kenny no end, I am sure he would have done the same and more, but he ran out of time. The vendor is extremely fortunate, she gets a great deal of respect, patience and tolerance from the group (in general) in return for a pretty weak service in the light of guys like Steve Rahm who have a competing product and work very hard at every single customer (and potential customer) ----------------------- Does the word "thief" come to mind? +++++++++++++++++++++++ Mr. Leone from Worland, Wyoming - who are you talking to? Who are the thieves? Do you also believe that thieves are PREVALENT in the group? Do your homework before you hop on this bandwagon and check into the history of the KR series - the copyright infringement started right back there. Kenny showed us how to use hardware store stuff to make an airplane - period. Most are built in this way, but in terms of actual design, wing section, hardware etc. the original design has been "fixed" and the solutions passed on to us all (gratis) by the guys that get zip for their trouble. At an average of $100 per set (over the years), RR has collected around a million smackers for the plans alone - and KR net makes it work - free. Ironically, the only impact RR has had on the development of the KR is to stall it - so they can sell their outdated components. As the man said - your results may differ Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:56:46 +0100 (BST) From: Edward Seaman Subject: RE: KR> Plan #'s To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040820085646.2102.qmail@web25306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I agree with mark jones - drop the knittting talk. I do think that what stephen j said needed to be said - i agree with him in everyway. I seldom post because I have nothing constructive to contribute - but in this case I feel oblidged to drop a stitch and support stephen - I doubt that any netters are thieves, but i do know that rr needs a serious wakeup call - the kr society will ultimately turn their backs Ed ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:05:27 -0500 From: "Ronald Metcalf" Subject: RE: KR> Plan #'s To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ... I am hard pushed to understand where you sucked this one out ... The vendor is extremely fortunate ... Mr. Leone from Worland, Wyoming - who are you talking to? ... the copyright infringement started right back. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you Steve J - I was fuming about this and looking for the right words - then you said it exactly right. Enough already - Orma is about to reveal all on the VW upgrade, turbo and all. Ron _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 05:14:35 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Do it yourself machine shop... To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4125C0FB.000001.00944@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve, Thank you for that. This is amazing and innovative. I hope I have a need, now that I am almost done, to try this. What a brilliant idea. See you in 33 days. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:00:11 +1000 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00c901c486a1$690f8d20$75a0fea9@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry Your prop is identical to mine at 3 blades and 54 inches. I'll try to email you and Ken the WarpDrive chart in Excel that someone on the list supplied for a 2 blader. Thanks to that person whose name now eludes me...sorry. John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:06 AM Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive > Pitch is not related to diameter, but it is on a 54 in 3 blade prop on > a Revmaster 2100D turbo. > > At 07:16 PM 8/19/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >Larry, > > > >Is that based on a 53" diameter prop? > > > > > > I called Warp Drive. They gave me the figure of 18 degrees to get > > > 54 > >pitch. > > > > > > > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:45:47 -0400 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <04dc01c486ab$3bfde0c0$647ba8c0@oemcomputer> John, The Excel equation for finding the blade angle for a given pitch setting in inches is as follows: ANGLE = DEGREES(ATAN("pitch in inches"/(PI()*"diameter"))) "pitch in inches" is the desired pitch in inches. "diameter" is 2 times the radius at which the angle is measured. Warp Drive says to measure the blade angle with the protractor mounted at the tip. However, the Warp Drive protractor actually measures a little back from the tip (when mounted flush with the blade tip), not exactly at the tip. Based on Larry's information, when you mount the protractor at the tip, you are measuring at 1/2" back from the tip, thus the need to use 53" rather than 54" for "diameter". (This makes sense if the Warp protractor is 1 inch wide, angle measurement 1/2" from the tip.) Based on this diameter adjustment (for the width of the protractor), which I had not previously accounted for, my pitch is 63.5" rather than 64.5" with a diameter of 58". Obviously, my pitch had to be set higher than Larry's and yours because I have a slower engine (rated at 2300 rpm). I agree with Larry in that the diameter of the prop has no effect on pitch (in inches), but the diameter/radius where you are measuring your pitch angle does affect the pitch (in inches) calculation. Ken Jones N5834 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:00 AM Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive > Larry > > Your prop is identical to mine at 3 blades and 54 inches. I'll try to email > you and Ken the WarpDrive > chart in Excel that someone on the list supplied for a 2 blader. > Thanks to that person whose name now eludes me...sorry. > > John > > The Martindale Family > 29 Jane Circuit > TOORMINA NSW 2452 > AUSTRALIA > > phone: 61 2 66584767 > email: johnjane@chc.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "larry severson" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Blade angles Warpdrive > > > > Pitch is not related to diameter, but it is on a 54 in 3 blade prop > > on a Revmaster 2100D turbo. > > > > At 07:16 PM 8/19/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > >Larry, > > > > > >Is that based on a 53" diameter prop? > > > > > > > > I called Warp Drive. They gave me the figure of 18 degrees to > > > > get 54 > > >pitch. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:31:59 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> new RR prices To: Message-ID: <016f01c486b1$b0af2c20$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" KRNetHeads, Earlier this week I received several new pricelists from RR in the mail. Since there was no note enclosed, I'm assuming she'd like her web page prices updated, which I did last night. So if you're going to order anything from RR, check www.fly-kr.com first so you can send your check or money order for the right amount. Mostly the increases are due to Cleveland brake and wheel pants prices, along with a few others, but the bottom line has increased significantly as a result. The entire pricelist is available as one document at http://www.fly-kr.com/prices.pdf . Just to make it clear, I have absolutely no affiliation with RR other than maintaining and updating their web page whenever it needs it, mainly to make it a little easier on people who are trying to buy parts, since current information is sometimes hard to come by. I volunteered to update it when it became obvious that the content was several years old. I didn't create it, and I don't claim any of the content, I just update the prices every year or so, and have made it slightly easier to navigate in a few places. And of course I added a shameless plug for KRnet too. I do whatever I can to get more of these airplanes flying, for whatever reason. Steve's comments were very well put, and like others, I agree. See y'all at the Gathering... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:36:06 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Plan #'s To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And I thought some other people were taking a long time to build! Are you going for the all time record? :) Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of larry severson Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:49 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Plan #'s >For sure Jeanette should know what the numbers mean. Yes, but ... I have a set of KR2 plans that has no revisions and receipt #1 with a date of 1971. Jeannette says that is impossible for both date and number, but she did admit that the receipt was theirs. Unfortunately, the plane is still not finished. Maybe after I get my Q2's 40 hours flown off, I can get back to it. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:14:10 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> new RR prices To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Mostly the increases are due to Cleveland brake and wheel pants prices, along with a few others, I'm not sure she has made the change yet but, Jeanette was apparently having a problem getting wheelspants from her supplier. Last I heard, she borrowed Richard Shirley's mold for the wheel pants on his KR-1. Check with RR to see if these are the pants she has available now. I was lucky enough to make a set before the molds were loaned to RR. Check out the KR-net webpage to get a look at Richard's wheel pants on his plane. They are pretty nice. Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca. kr02g@cox.net "Mt. Vernon or Bust!" ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:52:39 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: RE: KR> Plan #'s To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040820074938.0292cd68@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:36 AM 8/20/2004 -0400, you wrote: >And I thought some other people were taking a long time to build! Are >you going for the all time record? :) If you can't be first, why not last. At the Academy, the last man on the graduation list was honored because everyone below him failed. Actually, I am the 3rd owner of the boat and it is taking longer than I thought, but I was not the person(s) who put through a couple 12+ year storage stints. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:23:20 EDT From: Ballsofbugs@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR "boat" for sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <191.2cd00948.2e577168@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thank you for the lead, on the kr boat. Mine is so badly UV damaged I am going to replace all the wood and foam. Jim May ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:39:00 -0400 From: "Kelly McKee" Subject: RE: @WL KR> tortional loads +early friday To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <20040820163902.IMPW9204.mta10.adelphia.net@aviation1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" KRnet, This is my first email to the group so I don't even know if it will work. I'm responding to questions on the retractable gear. I have a KR-2 with retractable tricycle gear. I just hung the plane last week and want to try and cycle the gear. When everything appears to be working, I'll video the gear and post on the web as an AVI file. I been on the KRnet for some time but haven't posted before. I live in Northern Virginia next to Leesburg Airport (JYO). Kelly McKee -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+kellymckee=adelphia.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+kellymckee=adelphia.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of gleone Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 5:15 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: @WL KR> tortional loads +early friday I remember seeing a picture of a KR-2 with retractable tricycle gear. The problem is, I don't remember where. Anyway, if anyone else remembers seeing that picture and (hopefully when and where), you might want to track down the builder of that plane and ask how he/she did it. All I remember is it was within the last year or two. Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be surprised if they learn their lesson. -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 08/05/04 14:52:51 To: krnet Subject: @WL KR> tortional loads +early friday Hi KR heads As some of you know, I am working on a full retract tricycle gear on my rendition of a KR2S. Tonight I went to look at some wood for the forward outer spars at a friend of mine who is a very respected person in the experimental world over here. I was discussing the retract system with him and he brought up a point that I had not considdered at all. As my retract system requires that the bottom wing skin of the stubwings be split basically from root to outboard end in order for the gear to retract into the wing. This means that the bottom skin will no linger be continuous between the spars. My question is: What, if any, tortional loads does the skin carry under normal conditions due to forces applied by ailerons, etc. and what effect will the splitting of the skin in order to accomodate the gear have on wing strength. As a bit of background, my gear will consist of a 1.5" 4130 tube between the spars supported each end by a bearing mounted in a piece of aluminuim that bolts onto the spars by picking up the W.A.F bolts. To this tube will be another 1.5" tube welded at 90* to it forming the gear leg. At the bottom of this will be a trailing link arrangement with a damper. The tube between the spars will be mounted almost at the outboard end of the stubwings and the gear will retract towards the fuselage just clearing it to sit completely inside the wing. Any thoughts from those in the know will be greatly appreciated. Thank you next day: On a less serious note, I was fortunate enough to have had the "WHISPER" experience today. After work I was invited to go on a "test" flight for about half an hour down the coast here. This plane is remarkable. I was amased when Russell (the designer,builder &pilot) let go of the stick immediately as the tail came off the groung and the plane just took off and flew straight ahead in a steady climb all by itself! Takeoff roll was less than 80metres with a 13 knot headwind! Deploying the spoilers on final brings the glide slope from 28:1 down to 8:1, feels like the seat has fallen out of the bottom of the plane. For more info see my signature line. Dene Collett KR2S-RT builder Port Elizabeth South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:07:37 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Blade number To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006601c486e8$f544d4c0$69ee0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Phil According to Robert Finch the number of blades helps distribute the torque loads across the different blades, allowing for lighter/smaller blades that make less drag. Also multiple blades smooth out the engine harmonics that can reflect from just a 2 blade design which is why it is not recommended to use anything but wood against your VW if it is direct drive. 2blade metal props are known to cause crank failures due to cracking, and multiple blade metal props are very expensive compared to composite. By using a PSRU you take away these harmonic vibrations, and then using a 3 to 5 blade prop makes it quieter and smoother. Most of the information I have been told that is NOT leading edge technology from established folks in the aviation industry is about getting you to use something that they know about, or their product, not because it is necessarily better. Look at the proponents for not using automotive electronics in Lyc & Cont engines. Yet the engines that are gaining ground right now for certification and use are the converted diesels that are totally electronic controlled or FADEC. They will have no mixture control by the pilot, but rather will be computer controlled. They also burn the more readily available Jet A/kerosene fuels. This may be points for those KR builders who have not chosen their engine yet to think about. The only down side to multiple blades is cost. Done properly more blades is more thrust provided it is properly matched to the engine like any combination. If one were to use say a 2180VW with a belted PSRU, and say a 3 blade Warp Drive he should see a dramatic improvement in the climb performance and the cruise performance, and should also be able to extend the engine life due to the fact that the rpms can be reduced somewhat and still deliver good torque to the prop for cruise, kinda like adding another gear into the transmission. If I don't go with the 6 cylinder this winter then that is what I am going to do: add the belt PSRU to this 1915cc VW. I will post test numbers before and after to show the results, so hopefully we can see a useable benefit. Being done on the same plane in the same configuration with only the change of prop and addition of PSRU, but prop set for the same pitch and using the same diameter should be a reasonable comparison. We shall see.... Tentative re-inspection date set today is Sept 8-9, will find out next week, so sorry gang but no KR2 from me flown to the Gathering this year. Maybe Sun n Fun.... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:09:55 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Resistor To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006f01c486e9$4791dca0$69ee0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone know what the 2ohm resistor is for on the line feeding power to the Compufire Ignition on the VW engine? I need to know if it is necessary (it is there so probably yes) and what to do with it? It is presently tie wrapped to the motor mount and the Inspector did not like that. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:41:40 -0500 From: "Wesley Scott" Subject: KR> Inspection vs Gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007501c486ed$b952d0c0$69a60a04@pbrain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 40 hrs / 14 days is less than 3 hrs/day, based on Larry's posts that seems doable. -- wesley scott kr2@spottedowl.biz > > Tentative re-inspection date set today is Sept 8-9, will find out next week, so sorry gang but no KR2 from me flown to the Gathering this year. Maybe Sun n Fun.... > > Colin & Bev Rainey > KR2(td) N96TA ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:02:26 EDT From: Cowgirl2fly@aol.com Subject: KR> Wing Stub Question To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <77.316322d2.2e57c0e2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I'm getting ready to construct my wing stubs However I notice that on the ribs between the spars at the forward spar the top of the rib fits tight against but 3/4 down I have a 2mm gap is this ok or should I remove them and start over? Thanks ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:24:20 -0400 From: "cgardn628" Subject: KR> Damage from Hurricane Charley To: "KR NET" Message-ID: <000a01c486fc$1310b880$6601a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In case you haven't already seen these photos, looks like a KR2 was among the casualties at Punta Gourda. http://www.avweb.com/news/features/187931-1.html I hope "Charley" can salvage something from the wreck. My heart goes out to this poor builder. Regards Chris Gardiner ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:40:29 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Type 4 Engine Buildup To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002001c48706$b28f0f10$442bd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net Over the past two days I have invested over 20 hours to the final assembly and installation of my new engine. Today I installed the Oil cooler and filter, the EGT probes, and attached the rubber couplers to the intake and carb. I mounted the carb and the filter/diverter. I also connected all of the cables for the mixture, throttle and carb heat. The one area that gave me some problems was the baffods. Because of the new intake plumbing, each one had to be cut. For now they are on, but will need to be remade after the engine is running. Tomorrow I will work on the turbo, torqueing all the bolts and attaching a control to the waste gate. I also have to install plugs and set static timing for the magneto and 009. If all goes well, by noon or so I'll try to bring it to life. I don't plan to install the prop until after the engine will start and run full throttle. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR celebrating 20 years To the gathering or bust ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:24:21 -0600 From: "Wendell Nicholson" Subject: KR> Boelube To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, I am new to the newsletter and am not actively involved in building a KR just yet, but hope to soon. Just wanted to attest to the ability of this product to aid in drilling and cutting just about any metal you might desire. I am an Industrial Electrician by trade and use it daily. It is fantastic stuff! I am not sure who would carry it retail in your local area, but you can order it from ORELUBE CORP. on their website at www.orelube.com. It comes in several formulas, but I prefer the medium soft (blue) paste. Wendell Nicholson Emmett, Idaho ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:14:53 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Wing Stub Question To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040820191453.007c26e0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:02 PM 8/20/04 EDT, you wrote: >I'm getting ready to construct my wing stubs However I notice that on >the >ribs between the spars at the forward spar the top of the rib fits tight against >but 3/4 down I have a 2mm gap is this ok or should I remove them and >start >over? Thanks ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Their not fitting indicates a problem somewhere. >From your brief discription I'm guessing you have already mounted your rear spars. This could be the reason the ribs don't fit properly. The front, or I'm guessing, the rear spar may not be located properly. It could also mean the rib was not cut properly, not likely, or your forward spar could be warped. My advise: 1. Make sure the front spar is properly located and is not warped. Check this with a level by insuring the spar is plumb when the fuselage is level. Check at all four rib locations. 2. If all is well there, insure the ribs are all identical and cut properly. 3. Attach the ribs to the front spar and the rear spar should match up to the ribs if it is properly located. 4. Bottom line, if my assumptons are correct, you may have to remove and reinstall your rear spar. This is of course assuming that 1,2, and the first part of 3 above are correct. The procedure I used to build my centersection was mount the forward spar, attach the ribs, then glue in the rear spar to match the ribs. It came out to within 1/10 of one degree when later measured with a "Smartlevel". My KR flies fine and I have no fixed tabs on any of the control surfaces. That's the process I plan to cover at the Gathering. This procedure can be used reguardless of the incidence angle you plan to built to. You just remark and cut the ribs for the setup you want. Good luck. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:03:15 +1000 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: KR> Ken and Larry To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005301c4871a$a4c219e0$75a0fea9@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My emails are bouncing back as SPAM. I have had this problem before with rr.com. Do you per chance have an alternative address. Sorry John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 80 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================