From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 83 Date: 5/24/2004 9:00:18 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. (no subject) (GavinandLouise) 2. my aeroplane web site (Ross Evans) 3. Re: spar cap width (Edward Seaman) 4. RE: carbon fiber (Wood, Sidney M.) 5. Re: CC-ing Heads (Scott Cable) 6. Re: spar cap width (Boeing757mech1@aol.com) 7. Re: my aeroplane web site (Dan Heath) 8. Re: N541RY listed on E-bay (Mark Langford) 9. Re: my aeroplane web site (Ross Evans) 10. RE: carbon fiber (Brian Kraut) 11. Mississippi area builders (Brian Kraut) 12. Re: Re: KR> spar cap width (skphil@charter.net) 13. RE: carbon fiber (Wolfgang Decker) 14. Re: CC-ing Heads (Orma) 15. Garry Morgan Flying Photos (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:20:23 +1000 From: "GavinandLouise" Subject: KR> (no subject) To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <003001c44181$1bdbe900$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Test only Gav --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 22/05/2004 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:20:41 +1000 From: "Ross Evans" Subject: KR> my aeroplane web site To: krnet@mylist.net, hle_85@hotmail.com, johnjane@chc.net.au, warmbeams@yahoo.com, jennifer_dale@hotmail.com, jwest@abnamromorgans.com.au, jacquiwheatley81@hotmail.com, mitty@optusnet.com.au, barryk@tpg.com.au, thundercat76@hotmail.com, peterk@electrometals.com.au, gwoka@msn.com, tight_jeans_69@hotmail.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain [1]http://www.krnet.org/krs/revans hey guys check this out! cheers Ross _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! [2]Click here! References 1. http://www.krnet.org/krs/revans 2. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENAU/2749??PS=47575 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:14:40 +0100 (BST) From: Edward Seaman Subject: Re: KR> spar cap width To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040524121440.83314.qmail@web25109.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Stupid question... Is the height of the root end of > the outside spar the same as the height of the > center spar? From what I can tell it is. The only stupid question is the one you have, but don't ask. No - they are not the same - the centre section cap is 2" deep and the outer is 1-7/8" (not sure how this will look in print - it is 1/8" less than 2"). Cheers Ed ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:17:53 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> carbon fiber To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Brian, Most fibers used for laminating, including E and S glass and carbon fiber, have a coating applied to the individual strands to enhance the adhesion of whatever resin system would be used to glue everything together. That coating has a 5-year shelf life. My thought is if the shelf life is getting ready to expire, then the dealer would reduce the price to move that batch before it expired. The resin will not wet out old fiber very well - been there, done that. Your results may vary. Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD Sidney.wood@titan.com -----Original Message----- I was looking online yesterday for good prices on carbon fiber and found this site. http://www.advancedcompositetraders.com/inven.html They have style 282 cloth for $12.50 a yard. I checked in my last years Aircraft Spruce catalog and they had 282 cloth for $25.75 a yard. This years catalog has it for $16.50 a yard. This seemed strange so I looked in Wicks and they have 282 cloth listed at $28.20 a yard and they also have a C282 commercial grade cloth for $17.19 a yard. I am assuming that the online source and ACS, at least this year, carry the commercial grade. Would anyone happen to know what the difference is? Seems that the commercial grade is 5.8 oz and the other is 5.7. I know that the commercial grade is stronger and lighter than glass so I am assuming that for a KR that there is realy no reason to go with the other type that is over twice the cost. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 05:51:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> CC-ing Heads To: KRnet Message-ID: <20040524125150.37689.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Orma wrote: after I finished now have 50.6, 50.7, two at 50.8 and one at 50.9. Am I missing something here Lee? Do you have a 5 cylinder Type IV VW? Did you happen to check one chamber twice? ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:43:56 EDT From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> spar cap width To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1cb.21c8516e.2de3723c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 5/24/2004 5:15:43 AM US Mountain Standard Time, edpseaman@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Stupid question... Is the height of the root end of > the outside spar the same as the height of the > center spar? From what I can tell it is. I think he is asking if the outer spars total thickness at the root is the same as the center spar total thickness. And he's right the print does not say if I remember right. If you are building the new airfoil (AS5048) the thickness of the center spar is 8.19 and the root of the outer spar is the same. Was that what you were asking? Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:08:16 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> my aeroplane web site To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40B26440.000001.04032@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ross, Did you buy or build the cowling. I like the shape of the top as shown in your pics. There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:29:09 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> N541RY listed on E-bay To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <09d401c441de$88698b60$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ross Youngblood wrote: > My KR has just been listed on E-bay as Item # 2479793898 Anyone serious interested in buying this project should talk to Jeff Scott, an EAA Tech Counselor who's seen it. He's at jscott@vla.com . Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:42:38 +1000 From: "Ross Evans" Subject: Re: KR> my aeroplane web site To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain HI dan I have own the mold for it and I have a guy that will build them using it! I may have to put blisters on it for the fuel injection rails to fit with out rubbing not sure yet! There is one cowl that is real good that my mate here in brisbane has done when I next go up I will get a photo! The cowl was designed to fit the 0200 and was set up to run a ellison throttle body on the bottom has the long inlet on the bottom! I am in Australia or I could get you one for cost! The guy that built on said it cost 400 dollars aussie getting it built by a mate in materials! cheers >From: "Dan Heath" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "krnet@mylist.net" >Subject: Re: KR> my aeroplane web site >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:08:16 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) > >Ross, > >Did you buy or build the cowling. I like the shape of the top as shown in >your pics. > >There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for >building has long since expired. > >See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > >See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ Open an Online Savings Account today & [1]collect a bonus $30*! References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENAU/2746??PS=47575 ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:08:38 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> carbon fiber To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am sure that all three sources move enough CF that expiration is not a problem, but perhaps the commercial grade dousn't have the coating to begin with. I need to call Wicks tomorrow anyway so I will ask what the difference is since they sell both. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Wood, Sidney M. Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 8:18 AM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> carbon fiber Brian, Most fibers used for laminating, including E and S glass and carbon fiber, have a coating applied to the individual strands to enhance the adhesion of whatever resin system would be used to glue everything together. That coating has a 5-year shelf life. My thought is if the shelf life is getting ready to expire, then the dealer would reduce the price to move that batch before it expired. The resin will not wet out old fiber very well - been there, done that. Your results may vary. Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD Sidney.wood@titan.com -----Original Message----- I was looking online yesterday for good prices on carbon fiber and found this site. http://www.advancedcompositetraders.com/inven.html They have style 282 cloth for $12.50 a yard. I checked in my last years Aircraft Spruce catalog and they had 282 cloth for $25.75 a yard. This years catalog has it for $16.50 a yard. This seemed strange so I looked in Wicks and they have 282 cloth listed at $28.20 a yard and they also have a C282 commercial grade cloth for $17.19 a yard. I am assuming that the online source and ACS, at least this year, carry the commercial grade. Would anyone happen to know what the difference is? Seems that the commercial grade is 5.8 oz and the other is 5.7. I know that the commercial grade is stronger and lighter than glass so I am assuming that for a KR that there is realy no reason to go with the other type that is over twice the cost. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:14:14 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> Mississippi area builders To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am going to be spending the next three days and probably a few days every week for the next month or so in Moss Point, MS for work. If there are any builders within an hour or so drive that don't mind showing off their project drop me a line at brian.kraut@engalt.com Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 0:06:15 +0000 From: Subject: Re: Re: KR> spar cap width To: KRnet Message-ID: <200405250006.i4P06FWE091030@mxsf13.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 YES, Thank you. The net can answer questions. Steven > > From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com > Date: 2004/05/24 Mon PM 03:43:56 GMT > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR> spar cap width > > In a message dated 5/24/2004 5:15:43 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > edpseaman@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > Stupid question... Is the height of the root end of > > the outside spar the same as the height of the > > center spar? From what I can tell it is. > I think he is asking if the outer spars total thickness at the root is > the > same as the center spar total thickness. And he's right the print does not say > if I remember right. If you are building the new airfoil (AS5048) the thickness > of the center spar is 8.19 and the root of the outer spar is the same. > > Was that what you were asking? > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:03:25 -0400 From: "Wolfgang Decker" Subject: RE: KR> carbon fiber To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The 282 has a Kevlar Tracer, so you can see after cure the direction you did lay the cloth. If you ever have to work through that tracer, or decide to sand the surface with the tracer exposed, prepare for hell. I would use the cloth without the tracer, it will do the job. BTW, the Wicks cloth is 50" wide, that Advanced Composite Trader material is only 42" wide, which also may explain some of the price difference. As was mentioned before, C-fiber for use in resin composites are always surface coated, otherways they do no wet and do not stick to the resin. The 282 cloth is made from 3K strands, which means there are 3000 filaments per strand. It is build from a 33MSI fiber, which is the most basic carbon fiber out there. It has a tensile strength of about 500 ksi. Other grades may have higher tensile strenght, or higher tensile modulus. If you would like to learn a bit about different grades of carbon fibers, go to http://www.torayusa.com/cfa/index.htm, which is the home of Toray Carbon Fiber (America). They are, btw, one of the major suppliers to Boeing (through Toray Composites in Seattle). You find some good information about different grades of carbon fibers there. And if you go to www.torayusa.com and hit the Toray Plastics (America) (TPA) link, you can see the building I spend my weekday daytime hours in :=) Wolfgang -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 7:09 PM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> carbon fiber I am sure that all three sources move enough CF that expiration is not a problem, but perhaps the commercial grade dousn't have the coating to begin with. I need to call Wicks tomorrow anyway so I will ask what the difference is since they sell both. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:34:13 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> CC-ing Heads To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000801c441f8$63156d60$873bd445@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ? Do you have a 5 cylinder Type IV VW? Op's it looks like I got that F----- Up. Good catch Scott. You can edit out one of them. The spread was .3cc. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Soon to celebrate 20 years ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 20:52:56 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Garry Morgan Flying Photos To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <003e01c441fb$000f0e80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here are a couple photos of Garry Morgan flying. These are stunning photos! http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/GarryMorganFlying.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 83 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================