From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 89 Date: 8/24/2004 8:59:38 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fwd: [Q-LIST] Battery -starting (Barry Kruyssen) 2. Belly Board Air Brake (larry flesner) 3. Re: Belly Board Air Brake (larry flesner) 4. RE: Ground Clearance (Brian Kraut) 5. Re: KR2 project for Sale on ebay (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 6. Re: Belly Board Air Brake (Mark Jones) 7. Re: Belly Board Air Brake (Mark Langford) 8. lost a friend (larry flesner) 9. KR2 project for Sale on ebay (larry flesner) 10. Re: AOPA NACA article (John & Elaine Roffey) 11. Re: Dean Selby's KR-2-SS Crashed (Dana Overall) 12. Re: KR2 project for Sale on ebay (Wesley Scott) 13. Re: KR2 project for Sale on ebay (David Mullins) 14. Barnstormers (Wesley Scott) 15. Re: KR2 project for Sale on ebay (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:17:16 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Fwd: [Q-LIST] Battery -starting To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <021901c48a28$1f2f8770$7000a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry is talking about the ODYSSEY batteries. They are great, I already have one for my plane, wouldn't use anything else. See http://www.odysseyfactory.com/ for more info. (again, no connection to the battery guys, just like a good thing) ----- Original Message ----- From: larry severson >I wanted to alert you guys to a new style of battery. New to me at >least. A friend with a 200HP PItts turned me onto these things. > >They are called AGM (absorbent glass mat). They are lead acid batterys >but they use fiberglass in between the plates. You can deep discharge >em with no problem. This one weighs 15 lbs and provides 680 amps of >cranking power. It should last 5 years, is totally sealed, is tiny, >Battery Dimension: 7.0" Long x 3.0" Wide x 6 9/16" High. > >I just put one in my Q and it cranks over great. > >Search ebay for *PC-680, a guy in Miami sells em for $35.50 ! > >Mike (no connection to the battery guys, just like a good thing) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:35:14 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Belly Board Air Brake To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040824173514.007cf200@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Larry, >How much difference is there, landing with and without the board >deployed? >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= When I deploy the speed brake and don't change pitch or power I get about a 10mph drop in airspeed (rough guess) and an increase in decent rate. I seem to recall from a past post that it increases my decent rate by 300+ fpm. When using the brake on landing it allows me to carry a bit of power and it helps to keep the nose down for better visibility. I think it's easier to stabilize the airspeed on approach also. Flying without it would certianly be possible but I'd hate to be without it. Like last week when I was landing at a 3000 foot grass strip, approaching along a hill, over a railroad track with powerlines, just over some trees, two grain bins and a hangar, I was able to chop power at the point 25 feet above ground and lower the nose a bit. I was down and stopped by approx 2000 feet. It would not have been as comfortable of an approach without the speed brake. Each KR flyer has a different comfort level, skills, and mission plan. You be the judge. One caution on the electrically operated speed brake. You can eat up a lot of runway waiting for the brake to retract. I may change my setup to trade power for speed on the actuation. A torque tube with different length arms maybe. Right now I have a direct push-pull setup. You can eat up about 100 feet of runway per second at 70 mph and my brake takes 7 seconds to retract. If you're not careful the pucker can pull the grin right off your face! :-) Not a problem when you have lots of cement ahead of you but when you abort halfway down a 2800 foot grass strip with trees on the end, well, that's best told over a brew or two. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:35:53 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Belly Board Air Brake To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040824173553.007cd590@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Larry, >I did not weigh it but I think it would be very close to one pound. >Mark Jones (N886MJ) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark, I'd guess it closer to 2 pounds. You know how things get heavier when installed on an airplane. I'll bet my Cessna flap motor goes 5 pounds if it's an ounce. I'll have to look into that. A friend of mine is building an RV and probably has one. If I could move my motor from the baggage area to the seat back ( I have a perfect spot) and knock off several pounds it may be worth the hassle. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:00:46 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Ground Clearance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That just may give you the all time best ground clearance of any KR ever built. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Barry Kruyssen Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:49 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Ground Clearance With my new gear and engine setup I have a calculated 13in (325mm) ground clearance for the prop whilst in the flying attitude. Is this enough for a tail dragger? What would be the minimum ground clearance on a grass strip? Should my thrust line be the top of my longerons? Thanks Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:03:26 -0700 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> KR2 project for Sale on ebay To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <017c01c48a2e$90beab40$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ralf, Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend Scott and hope you do well on the auction. I'll check it out to see if there is anything I need. I also lost a good friend , Jim Londo, whom I have known for about twenty years a couple days ago. One article covering the crash is in the Everett Herald at http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/04/08/24/loc_pilot001.cfm Jim was a member of EAA chapter 84 here and will be dearly missed. Bud Midkiff KR2S Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net web: http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: KR> KR2 project for Sale on ebay > Dear Group, > > a friend of mine, Scott Devlin, died on Jun-16 in a midair collision > close to Olympia / WA in a C210 . He was running the FBO in Grove > Field/Camas ( 1W1 ). To help his wife out of debt, we are currently > selling his tools, supplies and his KR2 project. > > The auction for his KR2 will start today at 8 PM pacific with the > item#2488003604 . > > I hope we will get a fair price to support his children. > > Everybody who wants to place a bid: good luck for you. And fly safe. > > Thanks > > Ralf Simon > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:09:39 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Belly Board Air Brake To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007a01c48a2f$6ec1b0e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" yeeeeeeeaaaaaaa........maybe, but I am leaning closer to 1.5 lb max. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: Re: KR> Belly Board Air Brake > >Larry, > >I did not weigh it but I think it would be very close to one pound. > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Mark, > > I'd guess it closer to 2 pounds. You know how things get heavier when > installed on an airplane. I'll bet my Cessna flap motor goes 5 pounds > if it's an ounce. I'll have to look into that. A friend of mine is > building an RV and probably has one. If I could move my motor from > the baggage area to the seat back ( I have a perfect spot) and knock > off several pounds it may be worth the hassle. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:58:54 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Belly Board Air Brake To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <033101c48a36$5eac8c50$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My flap motor (which I believe is identical to Mark Jones' belly board jackscrew) weighs one pound, 7.8 ounces, and burns .63 amps at 12 volts. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:58:52 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> lost a friend To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040824185852.007d1c40@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ralf and Bud, Sorry to hear of both of your losses. I seem to recall, after reading the article in the paper, that Jim Londo had an article written about him in Sport Aviation or Kit Planes, or somewhere a few years ago. When an aviator is lost we all feel the pain. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:06:29 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> KR2 project for Sale on ebay To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040824190629.007aea80@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can I no longer get on e-bay and check an add unless I register? What a bunch of crap!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess my age is showing but I don't like giving them my personal history for me to do them a favor. ("them" being e-bay) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:51:54 -0400 From: "John & Elaine Roffey" Subject: Re: KR> AOPA NACA article To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b701c48a3d$b8acff80$a278e504@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, September Flying magazine, "Technicalities" article by Peter Garrison. the Scoop on the NACA Scoop. John Roffey > One of the EAA members was telling me the other night that the > "current" issue of AOPA magazine had an article that basically called > into question the NACA duct as compared to other atlernatives. I > looked in both the August and September issues, and didn't see any > such article. Anybody know > what he was talking about, and where it could be found? > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:01:28 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Dean Selby's KR-2-SS Crashed To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dean stopped by my shop to look at my alum project prior to selling his KR. He had been contacted by the buyer but was very, very leary about selling it to him based on several conversations he had with the prospective buyer. Might appear Dean's concern was well based. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:01:54 -0500 From: "Wesley Scott" Subject: Re: KR> KR2 project for Sale on ebay To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004d01c48a3f$1efdaa90$efa50a04@pbrain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You should be able to as long as the auction is still going. You can't check completed auctions anymore without being registered. The KR2 project hasn't started yet. Another two hours based on the original post (8pm Pacific). -- wesley scott kr2@spottedowl.biz ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" > > Can I no longer get on e-bay and check an add unless I register? > > What a bunch of crap!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I guess my age is showing but I don't like giving them my personal > history for me to do them a favor. ("them" being e-bay) ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:13:13 -0400 From: David Mullins Subject: Re: KR> KR2 project for Sale on ebay To: KRnet Message-ID: <412C03C9.3020303@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed There are also five KR2 and two KR projects for sale on Barnstormers.com. posted in the last two months. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire Gathering Bound (Arriving STL @ 12:05 Thursday) ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:23:35 -0500 From: "Wesley Scott" Subject: KR> Barnstormers To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007601c48a52$ebcc6990$efa50a04@pbrain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Make sure you look at both the KR Aircraft and the Rand Robinson categories. -- wesley scott kr2@spottedowl.biz > There are also five KR2 and two KR projects for sale on > Barnstormers.com. posted in the last two months. > > Dave Mullins > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:39:22 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> KR2 project for Sale on ebay To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002901c48a55$1cdb3dc0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was just on Barnstormers and did a search on KR and about 20 ads popped up. There are some beautiful KR's there for sale. There are KR-1, KR-2 and KR-2S and all kinds of projects. Some of them would definitely be award winners at the Gathering. Why do these planes never show up at the Gatherings? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mullins" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR2 project for Sale on ebay > There are also five KR2 and two KR projects for sale on > Barnstormers.com. posted in the last two months. > > Dave Mullins > Nashua, New Hampshire > Gathering Bound (Arriving STL @ 12:05 Thursday) > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 89 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================