From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 92 Date: 6/2/2004 9:00:17 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: power/weight (Doug Rupert) 2. RE: chemical safety (Dan Heath) 3. Re: chemical safety (Flymaca711689@aol.com) 4. Nitril Gloves-chemicals (rhartwig11@juno.com) 5. Re: Nitril Gloves-chemicals (Brian Kraut) 6. Nitril Gloves-chemicals (Stephen Jacobs) 7. RE: chemical safety (Jack Cooper) 8. Re: Nitril Gloves-chemicals (Barry Kruyssen) 9. RE: chemical safety (BABYWOLF@aol.com) 10. Heart Procedure (Colin & Bev Rainey) 11. RE: I prefer the vinyl gloves to the latex. (Dan Heath) 12. Re: New Web Page ( Under Construction) (Phil Matheson) 13. Re: Nitril Gloves-chemicals (Dan Heath) 14. KR1 For Sale (steven payne) 15. RE: power/weight (Ross Evans) 16. Glove protection (JIM VANCE) 17. Re: chemical safety (Dean Cooper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:30:23 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> power/weight To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001501c44862$b69ca2d0$3b04e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OH YES! But definitely not for the low time guys as that combination will tend to give you the adrenaline rush more powerful than any drug. Might easily become known as a widow maker in the wrong hands. All that being said, can't think of a better way to go. Doug ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:05:54 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> chemical safety To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40BDA682.000001.00668@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Where do the Nitril gloves come from? You are right, the gloves you get at Lowes or Eckerds, won't stand up to lacquer thinner or acetone. Why is acetone worse than lacquer thinner? I do not find the odor to be as bad and have been using it for quite some time. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:31:08 EDT From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> chemical safety To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1d3.228a24f6.2def147c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" dan you can get them at napa or off the tool trucks or most auto stores . mac n1055a ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:29:17 -0500 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> Nitril Gloves-chemicals To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20040602.092917.2288.0.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I bought nitril gloves at Harbor Freight. Your local drug store (or medical supply) is another source. Nitril gloves are generally more resistant to solvents, but prolonged exposure to most chemical solvents will attack them. Never trust your nose to tell you if something is toxic. Example: Polyester resin smells awful, but it is not nearly as reactive/toxic to most people as epoxy. Care should be taken to keep any chemical solvent off of your skin. I don't mean to take all of the fun out of building a plane, but you should wear gloves AND barrier cream and keep exposure to a minimum AND wear a respirator when dealing with solvents and epoxy . These items constitute very cheap health insurance. Your body won't detect the damage until it is too late. Years of home aircraft building using butyrate and nitrate dope killed a friend of mine. They first thought that he had leukemia, but later found that his bone marrow was destroyed by aircraft dope. Dick Hartwig Waunakee, WI rhartwig11@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:49:23 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Re: KR> Nitril Gloves-chemicals To: KRnet Message-ID: <200406021049.AA128516380@mail.engalt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wicks also has nitrile gloves. They recommend using the cotton liners also. Makes it a lot more comfortable to wear them for a while in the heat. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: rhartwig11@juno.com Reply-To: KRnet Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:29:17 -0500 >I bought nitril gloves at Harbor Freight. Your local drug store (or >medical supply) is another source. Nitril gloves are generally more >resistant to solvents, but prolonged exposure to most chemical solvents >will attack them. Never trust your nose to tell you if something is >toxic. Example: Polyester resin smells awful, but it is not nearly as >reactive/toxic to most people as epoxy. Care should be taken to keep >any chemical solvent off of your skin. I don't mean to take all of the >fun out of building a plane, but you should wear gloves AND barrier >cream and keep exposure to a minimum AND wear a respirator when dealing >with solvents and epoxy . These items constitute very cheap health >insurance. Your body won't detect the damage until it is too late. >Years of home aircraft building using butyrate and nitrate dope killed >a friend of mine. They first thought that he had leukemia, but later >found that his bone marrow was destroyed by aircraft dope. >Dick Hartwig >Waunakee, WI >rhartwig11@juno.com > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:19:46 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: KR> Nitril Gloves-chemicals To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c448c5$d1fd1d80$e264a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" until it is too late ++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks Dick I tend to be careless in this regard - your words come at a good time. Sorry about your pal. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:04:38 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> chemical safety To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-2200463219438125@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dan asked > Where do the Nitril gloves come from? You are right, the gloves you > get at Lowes or Eckerds, won't stand up to lacquer thinner or acetone. > Wicks catalog pg 26. Nitrile gloves and on same page Norton Butyl gloves. I prefer the vinyl gloves to the latex. Jack Cooper > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:06:08 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Nitril Gloves-chemicals To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <027901c448ed$d0ba3610$c900a8c0@T1W419b> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" After years of boat building (the type that floats) my brother has developed an allergic reaction to epoxy and can only work with it wearing a full protective suit, therfore, he only uses polyester now. Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia AUF 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: rhartwig11@juno.com Never trust your nose to tell you if something is toxic. Example: Polyester resin smells awful, but it is not nearly as reactive/toxic to most people as epoxy. Care should be taken to keep any chemical solvent off of your skin. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:48:22 -0400 From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Subject: RE: KR> chemical safety To: krnet@mylist.net ("KRnet") Message-ID: <695AF16D.14E42353.00625FCA@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 vinegar is a great skin cleaning solvent for T 88 glue Garry Cowles KR2S Boat Stage Santa Fe NM ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:22:09 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Heart Procedure To: Message-ID: <002701c448f8$6d6c7450$99ef0843@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, Off topic but several have inquired and as my time is limited, I will answer all here. My wife Beverly went through her Cardiac Version Procedure today, and is doing well resting at South Seminole Hospital. Thank you to all for your caring remarks, and relax that my co-pilot will continue to fly with me for many more years! Thank you for all the support! FLY SAFE!!!!!! Do not archive. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:30:51 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> I prefer the vinyl gloves to the latex. To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40BE632B.000001.03156@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have tried both vinyl and latex and neither will stand up to lacquer thinner nor acetone. Thanks, I will try Wicks catalog for Nitrile gloves or Norton Butyl gloves. Which are better? See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:33:19 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> New Web Page ( Under Construction) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d901c448fa$0f4a06b0$3996dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" HI all, My new web page address has been sorted out, you can find it at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/vhpkr.html NOTE This has only just been started, and as soon as I get my building photo's onto a disc, I will try and bring my new page up to date. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:44:27 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Nitril Gloves-chemicals To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <40BE665B.000003.03156@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Your body won't detect the damage until it is too late. Makes you wonder why we do this. No way, I could wear all that stuff everytime I were to work on the plane when it required exposure to chemicals or their fumes. I have made myself wear gloves for the duration of this project, but if I get any stuff on me, I always get it off with lacquer thinner or acetone. I guess I need to find something else. 90 degrees in the shop in the summertime, can't see thru the bifocal with the glasses sitting on top of the nose piece on the mask, sweat dripping everywhere, wondering when my sweat is going to drown me. Glasses fogging up from the heat and moisture coming out of the exits on the mask. Gloves dripping sweat all over everything from the openings around the wrist. Heart pounding and lungs pumping trying to get enough air. Long sleeves and long pants dripping wet, so hot, I think I am gonna to pass out. I think I'll go build an RV. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:42:25 -0500 From: "steven payne" Subject: KR> KR1 For Sale To: Message-ID: <001701c44903$a415d400$f9711643@Payne> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would like to know how I could post my KR1 for sale on this site? Thanks Steve ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:24:59 +1000 From: "Ross Evans" Subject: RE: KR> power/weight To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain HI larry nitrous will easy make another 50hp only if you don't mind bits of engine falling off you then might have a chance of catching the aussies cheers Ross >From: larry flesner >Reply-To: KRnet >To: KRnet >Subject: KR> power/weight >Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 19:01:19 -0500 > > > > I myself prefer to build them strong and opt for a bigger engine if > >required. > >Doug >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >All else being equal, I'd go for light weight AND a big engine. Have you >ever watched a 400 hp Pitts doing aerobatics? !!!!!!!! I wish my KR was >100 pounds lighter and I was getting another 20 hp from my 0-200. >Even the boys "down under" would hear my YEE HAA's then. :-) > >56 hours and counting........ > >Larry Flesner > > > >_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ Open an Online Savings Account today & [1]collect a bonus $30*! References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENAU/2746??PS=47575 ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:21:15 -0500 From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: KR> Glove protection To: "krnet" Message-ID: <004f01c44911$73069760$0800a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I started using latex gloves when I was applying epoxy. I developed a severe allergic reaction on my hands that took three months to heal. I'm glad I'm old enough to not worry about putting latex on other parts of my body. It hurts just to think about that! I have been using nitrile gloves from a local medical supply house. They are more rugged than latex and will withstand hours of sanding. Jim Vance Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:31:52 -0400 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> chemical safety To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00e501c44912$ee682c60$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Vinigar works excellent to clean up Aeropoxy as well. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ""KRnet"" Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: RE: KR> chemical safety > vinegar is a great skin cleaning solvent for T 88 glue > Garry Cowles > KR2S Boat Stage Santa Fe NM > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 92 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================