From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 96 Date: 8/29/2004 8:59:42 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: To The Airport (Dan Heath) 2. Tiny tach problem (Clayton Brod) 3. Re: Tiny tach problem (Mark Langford) 4. KR2S Project (Dick Goff) 5. Re: Tiny tach problem (Mark Langford) 6. RE: Carbon Seat (Wolfgang Decker) 7. Re: CorvAircraft> To The Airport (robert glidden) 8. Re: To The Airport (Mike Turner) 9. Re: To The Airport (Mark Jones) 10. Gasoline (Pat Driscoll) 11. Propeller (The Weber's) 12. Bill Clapp's KR2S (Mark Langford) 13. New Guy (blindate@seark.net) 14. Re: To The Airport (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:18:38 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> To The Airport To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41323A1E.000003.04064@COMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, That is terrific. Thanks for the pics. Now I gotta go back out to the shop and put in some more stuff so I can do the same before this year is over. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:58:45 -0400 From: "Clayton Brod" Subject: KR> Tiny tach problem To: Message-ID: <000d01c48e0a$fa278e50$544e4d0c@yourfsyly0jtwn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm trying to use a tiny tach on a VW engine with a Bosch 009 distributor. The readings are erratic and unreliable. Has any one else had problems and how can they be solved? Clay Brod ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:24:22 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Tiny tach problem To: "KRnet" Cc: help@tinytach.com Message-ID: <196701c48e16$ef446c40$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Clay Brod wrote: > I'm trying to use a tiny tach on a VW engine with a Bosch 009 > distributor. The readings are erratic and unreliable. > Has any one else had problems and how can they be solved? If it's not a -X, you may never get it to work right! The "X" means it has an internal filter. I tried everything (one was to shorten the red wire so that you only get three turns, which minimizes it's "antenna" effect), and eventually they sent me an X (and then billed me for it). If you didn't buy it direct from http://www.tinytach.com/tinytach/gasoline.php, you don't have an X. One thing you might try is to wrap the red wire (which is wrapped around a plug wire) with aluminum foil and ground the aluminum foil. I just grounded a wire under a screw, stripped the other end, wrapped it around the red wrap, and wrapped that with aluminum foil. That's what it finally took to make mine work, but even that wouldn't work until I got the X rather than the standard. I'd make somebody eat the thing if it was bought within the one-year warranty period. Wicks and AS&S need to learn to sell only the X, and even then, it's not a sure thing that it'll work, but they don't tell you it's iffy. What irritated me is that they are supposed to have a "five year" battery (AS&S claims 7 years, somehow), and it died after 3.5, never having seen a single rev, and living in the comfort of my temperature-controlled basement. They are not replaceable. I bought another one, and it wouldn't work, totally erratic, just like yours. I called Steve at Tiny Tach and he gave me all kinds of stuff to try, but none of it did, so eventually he said "I'll send you an X". I figured it was free, since the first one (actually the SECOND one) didn't work, but after it was installed I got a bill for $42. I sent the guy a check and explained that I didn't think it was right to have to buy three of the things to get ONE that worked, but I'd leave it to his conscience to decide whether or not to cash it. He cashed it. If I weren't stuck with a hole in my panel that's made especially for the Tiny Tach, I'd have sent it back to him and bought something reliable... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:58:12 -0500 From: dcgoff@webtv.net (Dick Goff) Subject: KR> KR2S Project To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <7784-41325F84-876@storefull-3317.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Hi Netters, Does any one plan to advertise, or sell, a KR2S Project at the Gatheing? If so, please contact me off net at, dcgoff@webtv.net or 812-887-4168. Thanks. See you at the Gathering. Dick ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:29:35 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Tiny tach problem To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <197101c48e17$a9cfdae0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I wrote: > If you didn't buy > it direct from http://www.tinytach.com/tinytach/gasoline.php, you > don't have > an X. I should caveat that with "probably" don't have an X. Neither Wicks or AS&S mention the X version, that's for sure. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:55:22 -0400 From: "Wolfgang Decker" Subject: RE: KR> Carbon Seat To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Netters, one thing you guys should be aware off is that in case of a crash a carbon fiber seat is the last thing I want to be sitting on! While carbon fiber is pretty strong, it has the nasty habit in case of failuer of crumbling and shattering into small, sharp pieces that can embedd themselves nicely in the flesh of you bottoms. It will take a surgeon forever to take these pieces out, if he/she is able to find them all!!! Many of the carbon fiber aircraft built today are actually made from glass/kevlar around the cockpit. Glass fiber as well as kevlar fiber keep their integrity to a much larger degree when the structure fails. The resin may break apart, but the fibers stay together much better than compared to carbon fiber. The reason for this behaviour is that carbon fiber cannot take any load perpendicular to the fiber. You only need to take a strand (or roving) of carbon fiber and make a knot into it and then pull on the ends. It will break without any effort, because it is loaded perpendicular to the fiber direction. As nice as these seats look, do yourself a favour and think about it twice. Just my famous two c's. Wolfgang -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 6:07 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Carbon Seat Dean, We made passenger and pilot seats separate. One of ours weighs only slightly less than your whole seat. Using the "Hat Trick" was a good idea. Ours is made using wooden ribs, foam, and one layer of carbon on each side. Our seat back weighs almost as much as your seat and it is made with 1/4" Last-O-Foam and one layer of carbon on each side. If you plan to put your radio antenna in the back fuselage area, think again about making the back out of carbon. You may also have to put an ELT antenna back there. You need to plan for your push tube that may be going under the seat as well as the center seat belt attachments that may have to exit through the seat. Also, depending on the canopy that you will or do have, will you be able to get the seat in and out of the plane? Our seat back is carbon, so I had to mount the antenna outside and had to make more cuts and repairs than I can remember when it came time to put in the seat belts. That is a really nice looking seat. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:01:48 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: KR> Re: CorvAircraft> To The Airport To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" , "KR Net" Message-ID: <00b201c48e2c$ee7d22a0$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What doe's your wife think about having a garage to park in again???Bob > _________________________________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from CorvAircraft, send a message to CorvAircraft-leave@mylist.net > Other CorvAircraft list info is at http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:39:59 -0500 From: "Mike Turner" Subject: Re: KR> To The Airport To: "KRnet" , "KR Net" , "Corvaircraft" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Way to go Mark, I see you sanded a hole in both your knees Mike Turner Jackson, Mo ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Jones To: KR Net ; Corvaircraft Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: KR> To The Airport Here is a link of some photos of moving my KR to the airport. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/toairport.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:57:50 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> To The Airport To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011501c48e34$c1791cc0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually that is my brother in law. He's too cheap to buy new jeans. :-) Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Turner" To: "KRnet" ; "KR Net" ; "Corvaircraft" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: Re: KR> To The Airport > Way to go Mark, I see you sanded a hole in both your knees > > Mike Turner > Jackson, Mo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Jones > To: KR Net ; Corvaircraft > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 2:36 PM > Subject: KR> To The Airport > > > Here is a link of some photos of moving my KR to the airport. > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/toairport.html > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:57:26 -0500 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: KR> Gasoline To: "KR Mailing list" Message-ID: <001001c48e34$b32b00c0$bf0a5292@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wilson, I heard somewhere that the flash point of gasoline is -45 degrees. Pat Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Saint Paul, MN ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:07:57 -0500 From: "The Weber's" Subject: KR> Propeller To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006601c48e36$2bfb8aa0$2dcab4d8@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I got caught in a rain shower yesterday with the KR. The rain took the paint and varnish down to the wood. Is there something I can put on the leading edge to protect it. I have 18hrs on 22 to go so I can fly it to the gathering Joe Weber Cuba City, Wi. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:20:23 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> Bill Clapp's KR2S To: "KRnet" , "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Message-ID: <19bd01c48e37$e7e50d30$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" KRNetHeads, I just spent well over an hour talking to Bill Clapp. He said he just had to call me to tell me how sweet his plane flew, following the new-wing scheme of things! I believe his exact words were "just had to let you know that your numbers were right on". His is the first KR2S to fly the Corvair with the "new wing" and (almost) the same tail dimensions as my plane. He's using the AS5046 wing at the incidence shown on the templates with the extended horizontal stabilizer at something like 77" long, and is also using Dr. Dean hinges and aerodynamic balances, set at -.75 degrees of incidence. It flies "hands off" and "rock solid", and has a much heavier feel than his old KR2 (this is good). His wing tips are removeable, and he intends to try longer wingtips later. He says you can increase or decrease the power and the pitch attitude remains the same, so thrust line is apparently perfect. He's also using "my" cowling and reports that visibility is far better than his old KR2, with only a slight blind spot on takeoff. He's using a belly board and says it helps a lot. He says he barely touches the trim. Takes off neutral and lands with maybe an 1/8" of deflection. Empty weight is 718 pounds, very close to what I expect mine will be. Right now he's getting 173 mph (gps verified) wide open, but he's drawing hot air from inside the cowling and has no wheel fairings. Troy Petteway says he'll gain 15mph from the fairings, and I expect he'll gain another 200 rpm from ram air. Right now he can "cruise" (not WOT) at 140 mph at 3200 rpm. He's running a rebuilt Corvair per William Wynne's manual that he built for about half what I have in mine, which would be about $2200. He's running a Prince 52x50 prop that turns 3300 static. He has no VSI but reports that he's at pattern altitude by the time he gets to the end of the 6500 foot runway. One thing he said that I thought was pretty histerical is that even with Cleveland brakes locked up, a runup at 3000 rpm starts skidding the KR's tires forward! He's using four 4" PVC pipe wing tanks with fuel cell foam inside that are easily replaceable, each holding about 4.8 gallons for a total of 19 gallons in the wings, along with a 13 gallon header tank feeding a gravity-fed Aerocarb. He says it took him about 10 hours of tweaking to get the Aerocarb to work, but it works great now. He already has 5 hours on it in the last two days, and expects to fly it to the Gathering. From what he told me, it has a pretty coooool paint job on it! William Wynne is coming to visit him in the next few days and they hope to do some air-to-air shots for us. I can't wait to crawl all over this thing at the Gathering... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:42:49 -0500 (CDT) From: blindate@seark.net Subject: KR> New Guy To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1169.66.138.162.74.1093837369.squirrel@www.seark.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Tommy Waymack,Netheads I got a KR story if youre interested.Concerns getting to the Gathering.I have been keeping up with the krnet and enjoy the tails,just think I should contribute something.Yeah I'm going to the gathering.But its been a stuggle.Tommy ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:55:21 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> To The Airport To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <19ac01c48e34$68f189c0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good news, Mark. Looks like you'll beat me in the air. I went to the airport myself today, and finally got my tailwheel endorsement in the Champ. I'd have had it earlier, but we needed to cover wheel landings, which we took care of today. In the next few weeks I'll graduate to Rick's Swift, which sounds like it has handling characteristics similar to what I expect from my plane, and work on wheel landings some more. Somehow I accidently got added to the DAR's list of things to sign off on Wednesday, although I'm nowhere near ready. He's already coming to town to do an RV-7 and a Baby Lakes, and I guess he thought he'd take care of me too. But just for kicks, I'm going to knock out as many things as I can before he gets here, and let him take a look at it since he'll be nearby. All I lack is stuff like carb heat, canopy latches, flap indication, installing wings and connecting ailerons and flaps, N numbers, EXPERIMENTAL, and data plate (these last three are standing and could be installed in minutes), shoulder belts, and a relative biggie, final weight and balance, along with stuff like mode-c calibration and compass deviation card. We'll see how it goes, but I certainly don't expect to get signed off. Maybe we'll call it the "pre-inspection" inspection... Mark Langford, Official Taildragger Pilot! N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 96 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================