From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 3:58 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 269, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. wing bolts (Lee) 2. Angle of incidence (robert tallini) 3. electronics and antennas for sale (Brian Kraut) 4. Re: Angle of incidence (Brian Kraut) 5. Re: Angle of incidence (cgardn628) 6. Re: our KRNet service (Mark Jones) 7. Re: our KRNet service (Mark Langford) 8. Re: Angle of incidence (Kenneth B. Jones) 9. Christmas came today!!! (Mark Jones) 10. RE: header tanks (francis fenlason) 11. Re: wing bolts (Mark Langford) 12. Re: our KRNet service (Dana Overall) 13. Re: wing bolts (Patrick Driscoll) 14. Angle of incidence (larry flesner) 15. Corvair prop (larry flesner) 16. Re: Corvair prop (Mark Jones) 17. Re: electronics and antennas for sale (Lee) 18. Wing incidence (robert tallini) 19. flushing tanks (j stevens) 20. Canopy Progress (Scott Cable) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:07:54 -0700 From: "Lee" To: Subject: KR>wing bolts Message-ID: <000c01c3d16c$285f4030$7401a8c0@D3DF1Y11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Happy New Year group, =20 What is the best configuation for the wing bolts??? The plane that I am = re-doing appears to have used 16 different nuts and bolts to attach the = wings. What is the easiest and best configuation to use??? Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:48:23 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: robert tallini To: KRnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Angle of incidence Message-ID: <11579120.1073076504224.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Hi gang, here I go again, I am going to risk the possibility of another personal attack on my building know-how by asking for help in a problem I have with the KR plans. In checking the plans, Drawing #2 for the KR2, [this sheet is included , as you know ] in plans for the KR2S I checked the angle of incidence by running a line from the bottom of the two spars and extending it till it intersected with the extended chord line of the rib. Measuring 48" from the intersection the distance between the thrust line, and the angle of incidence of the wing could be determined in inches. As most of you agree, the plus 3.5 degrees incidence is excessive. had intended to reduce this regardless of the airfoil I used. However, I wanted to see how much I would have to shim the lower longeron at Stations G & H. To my surprise my measurements indicate the angle of incidence, if you follow the plans exactly, give a 7 degree angle, not 3.5. I arrived at this conclusion by multiplying the 48" chord by pi. Finding the circumference, I divided by 360 to get the inch equivilent to a degree. Multiplying this by 3.5 I would get the angular difference between the chord line of the rib and the thrust line of the fuselage in inches. Let me digress for a moment, I KNOW that ALL of you are perfectly familiar with finding the relationship between degrees and inches. I just felt that letting all of YOU know that I do, too. It might finesse aspersions re. my I.Q. I believe, with all the KR's that have been, or are being built, someone checked this out. The only mention in the manual or the plans is to use the top longerons as reference. But the attach points on the lower longerons are parallel at Stations E and H at 20" to the top longerons. Could it be possible that a "strictly plans built" KR2 or 2S could be flying with a 7 degree angle of inc. My question is, as Bill O'Reilly would say, where have I gone wrong Is my geometry that bad, should I abandon all hope of building a KR2S and as has been suggested, start learning to be a GOOD pastry chef? Happy New Year to everyone, Bob Tallini ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:17:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>electronics and antennas for sale Message-ID: <31155830.1073078225111.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 I am selling an RT-359A transponder. I had it checked out by the local avionics shop and it works fine. They said they ran it for four hours and the cavity is very stable and puts out good power. I have the tray and all connectors with it and I also have an oak 3/4" spacer block to give more space behind it if needed. I also have a brand new Ameri-King AK350 encoder with it still in the box. I have already made the wiring harness from the transponder to the encoder and I have a new TED transponder antenna. I can make a pre-wired antenna cable also if needed. The new price on the encoder from AC Spruce is $150.95 and the antenna is $19.95. The used transponders normally go for $800-$900. I will take $900 for all of it. I also have a new R.A. Miller AV-532 nav antenna and a new AV-529 com antenna. The AC Spruce price is $72.95 for the nav and $87.95 for the com. I will take $60 for the nav and $75 for the com. I have the unopened accessories and the box for the com antenna. I threw out the box for the nav. I also have a Whelen HDA-DF-14 12V strobe power supply. It will work with two, three, or four strobes. I bought it as a factory reman at Sun-N-Fun two years ago for $300.00. I will take $250 for it and will supply new connectors. I also have a Britain TC100 12V turn coordinator for $120.00. I can email pictures of anything if you contact me off the net at engalt@earthlink.net or call me at 904-536-1780. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:42:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Angle of incidence Message-ID: <15682675.1073079751952.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 I am not an expert on airfoils, but I suspect the problem is because the zero lift line on the airfoil is most likely not parallel with the bottom of the two spars. I don't know exactly where it is on the airfoils in question, but someone else on the list should know. I did look in one of the aircraft design books I have and it states that you should draw a chord line from the trailing edge to the middle of the leading edge, then you draw a perpendicular line at the half chord position from the top surface of the airfoil to the bottom surface of the airfoil. Then you find the center of this line. Draw another line from the trailing edge through this center point and that is your zero lift line that you measure the angle of incidence from. Typically that gives you a line from the trailing edge to a point somewhere above the leading edge. Now I am not sure weather this is really good for every airfoil or if it is just a rule of thumb that gets you close for most of them, but the moral of this story is that there is a correct line somewhere for that particular airfoil that may, or more likely, may not be parallel with the bottoms of the spars. robert tallini wrote: Hi gang, here I go again, I am going to risk the possibility of another personal attack on my building know-how by asking for help in a problem I have with the KR plans. In checking the plans, Drawing #2 for the KR2, [this sheet is included , as you know ] in plans for the KR2S I checked the angle of incidence by running a line from the bottom of the two spars and extending it till it intersected with the extended chord line of the rib. Measuring 48" from the intersection the distance between the thrust line, and the angle of incidence of the wing could be determined in inches. As most of you agree, the plus 3.5 degrees incidence is excessive. had intended to reduce this regardless of the airfoil I used. However, I wanted to see how much I would have to shim the lower longeron at Stations G & H. To my surprise my measurements indicate the angle of incidence, if you follow the plans exactly, give a 7 degree angle, not 3.5. I arrived at this conclusion by multiplying the 48" chord by pi. Finding the circumference, I divided by 360 to get the inch equivilent to a degree. Multiplying this by 3.5 I would get the angular difference between the chord line of the rib and the thrust line of the fuselage in inches. Let me digress for a moment, I KNOW that ALL of you are perfectly familiar with finding the relationship between degrees and inches. I just felt that letting all of YOU know that I do, too. It might finesse aspersions re. my I.Q. I believe, with all the KR's that have been, or are being built, someone checked this out. The only mention in the manual or the plans is to use the top longerons as reference. But the attach points on the lower longerons are parallel at Stations E and H at 20" to the top longerons. Could it be possible that a "strictly plans built" KR2 or 2S could be flying with a 7 degree angle of inc. My question is, as Bill O'Reilly would say, where have I gone wrong Is my geometry that bad, should I abandon all hope of building a KR2S and as has been suggested, start learning to be a GOOD pastry chef? Happy New Year to everyone, Bob Tallini _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:36:06 -0500 From: "cgardn628" To: "robert tallini" , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Angle of incidence Message-ID: <000701c3d180$d28868c0$6601a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> References: <11579120.1073076504224.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Bob, without getting out my trig tables or calculator... I did not use the bottom of the lower spars as a reference of any kind in my KR2S. The preferred method ( for me) was to establish the zero chord line through the rib templates ( all of them) and drill small 1/4" tooling holes , 12 inches apart. The ribs are then slid over the spars ( as per Mark Langford's continuous plot rib method ( temporary humps over the spars , sanded off later). Then put a straight piece of L shaped, aluminum extrusion (sitting on 1/4 dowels or bolts through these holes) and sit a digital protractor ( SMART LEVEL ,without the level frame) on this . The ribs can now be positioned to give EXACTLY whatever incidence you choose versus the fuselage thrust line as zero, ( using firewall 90deg. ( first choice) or top longerons). This method works well right side up or upside down ( when glassing the bottom of the wing). I used 3 degrees incidence at the root and 0.5 degrees at the tip rib, for a total of 2.5 degrees washout. My plane flew hands off from the first flight using this method and stalls clean with no wing drop. Hope this is clear , if not please E mail me off line and I can send you some photos . Regards Chris Gardiner KR2S C-GKRZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert tallini" To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: KR>Angle of incidence > Hi gang, here I go again, > I am going to risk the possibility of another personal attack on > my building know-how by asking for help in a problem I have with the KR plans. > In checking the plans, Drawing #2 for the KR2, [this sheet is included , as you know ] in plans for the KR2S I checked the angle of incidence by running a line from the bottom of the two spars and extending it till it intersected with the extended chord line of the rib. Measuring 48" from the intersection the distance between the thrust line, and the angle of incidence of the wing could be determined in inches. > As most of you agree, the plus 3.5 degrees incidence is > excessive. had intended to reduce this regardless of the airfoil I used. However, I wanted to see how much I would have to shim the lower longeron at Stations G & H. > To my surprise my measurements indicate the angle of incidence, > if you follow the plans exactly, give a 7 degree angle, not 3.5. I arrived at this conclusion by multiplying the 48" chord by pi. Finding the circumference, I divided by 360 to get the inch equivilent to a degree. Multiplying this by 3.5 I would get the angular difference between the chord line of the rib and the thrust line of the fuselage in inches. > Let me digress for a moment, I KNOW that ALL of you are perfectly familiar with finding the relationship between degrees and inches. I just felt that letting all of YOU know that I do, too. It might finesse aspersions re. my I.Q. > I believe, with all the KR's that have been, or are being built, someone checked this out. The only mention in the manual or the plans is to use the top longerons as reference. But the attach points on the lower longerons are parallel at Stations E and H at 20" to the top longerons. > Could it be possible that a "strictly plans built" KR2 or 2S > could be flying with a 7 degree angle of inc. > My question is, as Bill O'Reilly would say, where have I gone > wrong Is my geometry that bad, should I abandon all hope of building a KR2S and as has been suggested, start learning to be a GOOD pastry chef? > Happy New Year to everyone, Bob Tallini > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:41:43 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>our KRNet service Message-ID: <005401c3d189$fa7b1180$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Yes, I have a PayPal account and would be more than glad to pass the funds on to Langford. To use PayPal go to www.paypal.com and register and use flykr2s@wi.rr.com to send the funds to me and I will pass then on to Mark Langford. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: RE: KR>our KRNet service > Incoming Alum Scud!! > > To make things easy, you can register on Paypal as a verified account > to send money via an email account. They send you a couple .01 or .03 deposits > to your checking account, all you do is email them back and give them > the exact amount of the deposits. At that time you can send money to > anyone with an email address through Paypal. That is how I made my > contribution to > the Ken Rand fund via Mark Jones. > > I don't know if Mark is open to this, if not, Mark Jones has a > verified account and may be open to act as a pass-through. > > We could also "post" a list of who contributes money and shame some > people into contributing:-) > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > > > > > >From: "Oscar Zuniga" > >Reply-To: KRnet > >To: krnet@mylist.net > >Subject: KR>our KRNet service > >Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:16:19 -0600 > > > >G'day, Netheads; > > > >Unless I missed it, our list administrator Mark Langford neglected to > >mention anything about support for the KRNet this past year. Typically, > >something will be mentioned around September (just before or after the KR > >Gathering), but nothing came up. Randy "Fine Whine" Stein (lurking Net > >Mom) and "Aluminum Scud" Dana Overall are the ones who usually toss the > >tear gas canister into the crowd, but I'll do it this year with the > >following: > > > >To contrast the KRNet to what many of you have found when trying to get in > >touch with Rand Robinson recently, note that (1) the KRNet is available to > >you 24/7; (2) the KRNet is free (donations to the cause are voluntary... > >you > >can subscribe to this list for free); (3) the information you get here is > >from actual builders and flyers of KRs, not from someone who only sells > >plans; (4) there are real-live addresses and phone numbers out there on > >many > >builders' websites, and they answer the phone and open their mail. Need > >any > >more reasons? Is it worth an annual amount of $10 or $20 (or more... your > >choice) to get this kind of support and information? No pop-up ads, no > >banners, no spam, no quarterly 'whines' for donations... it's sure worth it > >to me! > > > >So here's the list admin's address so you can send him some money to help > >support the KRNet. As he won't tell you publicly, there are expenses in > >maintaining the KRNet.org domain name, the web > >page, and in administering the list. So keep your first resolution of the > >new year, get your pen and > >checkbook out, and here's the address: > > > >Mark Langford > >296 Taylor Denton Lane > >Harvest, AL 35749 > > > >Even with over 600 list members, the sad fact is that less than 5% will > >take the time or effort to send any support. How about YOU, KRNetter? > >================================================= > > > >Oscar Zuniga > >San Antonio, TX > >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - and > >yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 18:00:16 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>our KRNet service Message-ID: <008b01c3d18c$91ace680$1202a8c0@basement> References: <005401c3d189$fa7b1180$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 > Yes, I have a PayPal account and would be more than glad to pass the funds > on to Langford. Actually, I have one too. I'd forgotten that until now, but it's the usual, n56ml@hiwaay.net . Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:24:48 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" To: "robert tallini" , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Angle of incidence Message-ID: <002201c3d18f$ff767e30$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> References: <11579120.1073076504224.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Precedence: list Message: 8 Bob, Seems to me that 48" is the radius of your circle, not the diameter. Don't you need to multiply it by 2? Ken Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert tallini" To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: KR>Angle of incidence > Hi gang, here I go again, > I am going to risk the possibility of another personal attack on my building know-how by asking for help in a problem I have with the KR plans. > In checking the plans, Drawing #2 for the KR2, [this sheet is included , as you know ] in plans for the KR2S I checked the angle of incidence by running a line from the bottom of the two spars and extending it till it intersected with the extended chord line of the rib. Measuring 48" from the intersection the distance between the thrust line, and the angle of incidence of the wing could be determined in inches. > As most of you agree, the plus 3.5 degrees incidence is excessive. had intended to reduce this regardless of the airfoil I used. However, I wanted to see how much I would have to shim the lower longeron at Stations G & H. > To my surprise my measurements indicate the angle of incidence, if you follow the plans exactly, give a 7 degree angle, not 3.5. I arrived at this conclusion by multiplying the 48" chord by pi. Finding the circumference, I divided by 360 to get the inch equivilent to a degree. Multiplying this by 3.5 I would get the angular difference between the chord line of the rib and the thrust line of the fuselage in inches. > Let me digress for a moment, I KNOW that ALL of you are perfectly familiar with finding the relationship between degrees and inches. I just felt that letting all of YOU know that I do, too. It might finesse aspersions re. my I.Q. > I believe, with all the KR's that have been, or are being built, someone checked this out. The only mention in the manual or the plans is to use the top longerons as reference. But the attach points on the lower longerons are parallel at Stations E and H at 20" to the top longerons. > Could it be possible that a "strictly plans built" KR2 or 2S could be flying with a 7 degree angle of inc. > My question is, as Bill O'Reilly would say, where have I gone wrong Is my geometry that bad, should I abandon all hope of building a KR2S and as has been suggested, start learning to be a GOOD pastry chef? > Happy New Year to everyone, Bob Tallini > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 18:38:57 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" , "Corvaircraft" Subject: KR>Christmas came today!!! Message-ID: <009001c3d191$f9232900$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 Today Christmas came again as I received a beautiful propeller from Ed = Sterba. I must say Ed is a pleasure to deal with and has quality props.=20 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:53:28 -0600 From: "francis fenlason" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>header tanks Message-ID: <000001c3d19c$67436800$6203efd8@primelibrary> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040102113856.024ffa70@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 IF I understand what you are saying. If you remove the vent from your header tank you will have an air chamber. You will not be able to fill the header tank as air pressure will build and prevent fuel from entering. The only way the air will be able to escape is through the carburetor. You may consider a float valve in the vent which closes when fuel gets near the top of the header tank. This would vent the tank and allow normal operation, but not let the pump overflow the tank. Russ Breckenridge, MN asiruss@702com.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:12:24 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>wing bolts Message-ID: <008501c3d19f$0756f350$2402a8c0@800Athlon> References: <000c01c3d16c$285f4030$7401a8c0@D3DF1Y11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Lee Van Dyke wrote: >> What is the best configuation for the wing bolts??? The plane that I am re-doing appears to have used 16 different nuts and bolts to attach the wings. What is the easiest and best configuation to use???<< Another way to do it is to use one long bolt in the place of the two, but incorporating a 4130 spacer tube that fits tightly between the WAFs so when you tighten the bolt, you're not crushing any wood, but the WAFs will tighten up against each other. You can even mount a nut plate on (or up against) one of the WAFs for a nut plate, and then you'll only need access to one side of the WAF to turn the bolts. The recent post by our UK KR builders showed the captive nut method, at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/katkinson/k9.jpg . Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:15:12 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>our KRNet service Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 >From: "Mark Langford" > > Yes, I have a PayPal account and would be more than glad to pass the >funds > > on to Langford. > >Actually, I have one too. I'd forgotten that until now, but it's the >usual, >n56ml@hiwaay.net . > >> >_______________________________________________ Well, there you go. Just go to Paypal.com and have you account verified. If only 10% of the group sends $10, we make a dent in what it costs Mark to run this thing. Surely as builders, you've got agree you get your money's worth out of the KRNet. I'll be wiring mine. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access — limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:56:01 -0600 From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>wing bolts Message-ID: <000701c3d1a5$1f50bda0$d32cdacf@oemcomputer> References: <000c01c3d16c$285f4030$7401a8c0@D3DF1Y11> <008501c3d19f$0756f350$2402a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Is the spacer welded in so you don't lose it when you pull the bolts? Pat Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Saint Paul, MN ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:54:16 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Angle of incidence Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040102215416.007beb70@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <11579120.1073076504224.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.ear thlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 I studied the plans for some time before installing my wing centersection spars. I heard all the old stories about the banana boat syndrome of the upper longerons and all that. There is a very simple and accurate way to do the job that involves no math at all and can be done with a simple bubble level. I did a writeup in the KR newsletter years ago and repeated it on the net a time or two. After I had my centersection installed I purchased a SmartLevel (digital level) and found the wing to be within 1/10 of one degree. Look at the drawing for the 48" rib. It has the cord line and spars drawn. Notice the cord line intersects the spars at the plans recomended 3.5 degrees incidence. If you want to change that to something less simply redraw the spars on the 48" rib and proceed as follows. When setting the spars in the boat use the firewall as a reference as suggested in the plans. I'd suggest you use this reference for setting the Horz stab spars also. Anyway, mount the forward spar in the boat, level side to side, equal distant from tip to tail, and plumb on the rear face of the spar. Insure the boat is level side to side also. Epoxy the spar in place. Cut the 48 inch ribs and bolt them together for final shaping to insure all are the same. Mark the cord line and spar locations on the top rib and make references across the edges of the other ribs. Insure the spar is plumb at each rib location. If not make adjustment to that rib only to compensate. If you use Mark L.'s method of making the ribs one piece with the hump, mount the ribs to the front spar. Once epoxied in place use the ribs to locate the rear spar. I cut my ribs in three pieces and use the center section of the rib epoxied to the forward spar to locate the rear spar. If you are accurate in transfering the rib drawings to the actual ribs it can't help but work out. Your results may vary but mine flies just fine, thank you. :-) Larry Flesner N 211LF Carterville, Illinois ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:58:01 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Corvair prop Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040102215801.007a9100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <009001c3d191$f9232900$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 >Today Christmas came again as I received a beautiful propeller from Ed Sterba. I must say Ed is a pleasure to deal with and has quality props. > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ed has mine right now and is repitching it from a 68 to a 64. What Dia and Pit did you get? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:12:50 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Corvair prop Message-ID: <00e401c3d1af$da7fdac0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20040102215801.007a9100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 56 X 64 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: KR>Corvair prop > >Today Christmas came again as I received a beautiful propeller from Ed > Sterba. I must say Ed is a pleasure to deal with and has quality props. > > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Ed has mine right now and is repitching it from a 68 to a 64. > > What Dia and Pit did you get? > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:34:11 -0700 From: "Lee" To: "Brian Kraut" , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>electronics and antennas for sale Message-ID: <008901c3d1bb$43dbbe70$7401a8c0@D3DF1Y11> References: <31155830.1073078225111.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 I have a set of lights with wiring, they list for $163.95 each with Aircraft Spruce. Your price today shipped $265.00 for both. to go with the power supply listed below. A650-PG/PR WINGTIP POSITION/STROBE LIGHT http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/whelena650strobe.php this is the link for the lights. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ lee@vandyke5.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: KR>electronics and antennas for sale > I am selling an RT-359A transponder. I had it checked out by the local avionics shop and it works fine. They said they ran it for four hours and the cavity is very stable and puts out good power. I have the tray and all connectors with it and I also have an oak 3/4" spacer block to give more space behind it if needed. I also have a brand new Ameri-King AK350 encoder with it still in the box. I have already made the wiring harness from the transponder to the encoder and I have a new TED transponder antenna. I can make a pre-wired antenna cable also if needed. The new price on the encoder from AC Spruce is $150.95 and the antenna is $19.95. The used transponders normally go for $800-$900. I will take $900 for all of it. > > I also have a new R.A. Miller AV-532 nav antenna and a new AV-529 com antenna. The AC Spruce price is $72.95 for the nav and $87.95 for the com. I will take $60 for the nav and $75 for the com. I have the unopened accessories and the box for the com antenna. I threw out the box for the nav. > > I also have a Whelen HDA-DF-14 12V strobe power supply. It will work with two, three, or four strobes. I bought it as a factory reman at Sun-N-Fun two years ago for $300.00. I will take $250 for it and will supply new connectors. > > I also have a Britain TC100 12V turn coordinator for $120.00. > > I can email pictures of anything if you contact me off the net at engalt@earthlink.net or call me at 904-536-1780. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 00:12:05 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: robert tallini To: KRnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Wing incidence Message-ID: <8437561.1073110326064.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 KRnet members and KR builders, Before this goes any further I wish to apologize for a stupid mistake I made in my letter re. wing incidence as given in the RR plans. Kenneth Jones very diplomatically pointed out my error. I had used the radius instead of the circumference in my calculations. Please excuse the blunder. I regret taking up your time in reading my letter as well as taking up KRnet space without triple checking my figures. How about it Mark, can I bake you a nice cake? Bob Tallini ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 00:42:59 -0600 From: "j stevens" To: "krlist" Subject: KR>flushing tanks Message-ID: <008a01c3d1c4$d4e24660$ee2cdacf@CPQ28121814422> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 19 Hi all, can anyone tell me how to flush my wing tanks. My engine was getting starved of fuel when I switched tanks and I found = a ball of building mater in one filter. I bought Dean Selbys kr2s and I believe the tanks have baffles. How do = I get around the baffles with a hose? Thanks Joel ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:15:18 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: KR>Canopy Progress Message-ID: <20040103071518.23703.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3FF4B005.000022.02364@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 20 Dan and Netters: Well, you were right-sort-of! I worked all day on the canopy. After I floxed in place the aft frame, and canopy sills, and everything dried overnight, it still wasn;t nearly torsionally rigid enough for my like-ing, So I added a ply of BID over the canopy sills and forward. This helped some, but still not rigid enough. I bought a 2' x4' piece of 1 inch Lasta-foam ($35 !!!) and fabricated an "H" frame in the area forward of the canopy. I floxed it into position, and added 1 ply of BID over it on the bias to the ply below it. The "H" frame is bonded to the BID ply with 1 ply of 2 inch tape and flox. That really made the whole structure rigid now. I also installed 9 MS21075-08 Platenuts into the Spinner Bulkhead using Hi-Tigue solid rivets. After finishing the flange (Scoth-Brite and Alodine) you can't even see where the rivet heads are! I actually sat in my airplane today for the first time doing a canopy fit. Plenty of headroom, Michelle caught me making airplane noises (just taxi-ing!!!) I accomplished my goal: Build all of the Fuselage Top by 2004. It's all built, fiberglass-wise. Onto making hinges, and installing the latches..... Keep Building! Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003From DanRH@alltel.net Sat Jan 03 03:30:13 2004 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Acjyv-000PaO-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 03:30:13 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.235]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20040103111930.PWSE15697.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 05:19:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FF6A546.000029.02076@Computer> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:19:34 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <000701c3d1a5$1f50bda0$d32cdacf@oemcomputer> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>wing bolts - Is the spacer welded in place? Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: No, but we have chosen to use individual bolts. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From bo124rs@hotmail.com Sat Jan 03 03:58:02 2004 Received: from bay13-f107.bay13.hotmail.com ([64.4.31.107] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AckPq-000Pgc-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 03:58:02 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 03:47:19 -0800 Received: from 64.12.96.199 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 11:47:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.96.199] X-Originating-Email: [bo124rs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bo124rs@hotmail.com From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:47:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2004 11:47:19.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[57EB6760:01C3D1EF] Subject: KR>Avionic Ebay scams X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Well, it seems with the the introduction of the GNS80, Garmin 430s are starting to flood the market at some really nice prices. It also appears they are a favorite item for Nigerian scammers on ebay. Be careful right now on higher priced avionics on ebay. For a laugh click the link below and read about a "little girl" and her experiences with ebay scammers. Grab a cup of coffee and get ready for some early morning laughs. http://www.bustedupcowgirl.com/scampage.html Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 269, Issue 1 *************************************