From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: KR-1b Motorglider 2. RE: Control tubes (Wood, Sidney M.) 3. RE: Bowden cables (Wood, Sidney M.) 4. RE: Control tubes (robert cooper) 5. RE: Control tubes (Rick Wilson) 6. Dragonfly canopy (larry severson) 7. Recommendation from Rick Wilson 8. Re: KR-1b Motorglider (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 9. Re: KR-1b Motorglider (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 10. Re: KR-1b Motorglider (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 11. RE: Porsche Air Craft Engine (Jeff Waldron) 12. tailwheel (Oscar Zuniga) 13. RE: Control tubes (Wood, Sidney M.) 14. Re: Dragonfly canopy (Scott Cable) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:33:49 +0000 From: To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>KR-1b Motorglider Message-ID: <20040105123349.BIQQ1950.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 I can't find a thing on the kr motorglider. Where is it at? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:59:11 -0500 From: "Wood, Sidney M." 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------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:06:57 -0500 From: "robert cooper" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Control tubes Message-ID: <410-2200411517657980@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 Steve I used a control tube system for my elevator control and experimented with a control tube system for ailerons/ flaperon but scraped the ideal because of the time, weight and expense involved. Went back to the cable system for ailerons. Go to http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2.html and then click on Stick, pedals and stick for the elevator control and then click on Flaperon for the scraped system. > [Original Message] > From: Steve and Lori McGee > To: > Date: 12/30/03 11:19:11 PM > Subject: KR>Control tubes > > Any one got a web page out there on a design of using tubes instead of the cable system? > > Steve McGee > Endeavor Wi. USA > Building a KR2S widened. > lmcgee@maqs.net > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:09:27 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR>Control tubes Message-ID: <20040105170927.86313.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 Sidney, My KR2 is set up with a center stick and push-pull tube going to the aft side of the rear spar and cables from there to the elevator. It has aluminum push-pull tubes to the ailerons, works very well. I'll try and get some pictures in the next few days if anyone would like to see them. Rick Wilson. --- "Wood, Sidney M." wrote: > Steve, > I put a complete cable control system in my KR-2 per > the RR plans. I did not like the plain bolt hinges > at the aft spar bell cranks, so I put in aeliron > bearing hinges. The right-angle brackets at the aft > and forward spars were sort of wimpy, but were okay > for the 40 lb-tension cable system. RR offered a > push rod for the elevator connection under the seat; > I put that in and it was off to the races. I took > out all the cables, pulleys and attach brackets. I > bent 6061 sheet to form triangular attach brackets, > made 90-degree bell cranks with aeliron bearings for > the forward spar, a counter-weight bell crank idler > to balance the elevator, and six additional control > tubes. I retained the original center control stick > and rudder cables. N6242 shed 6 lbs in the process, > mostly substituting aluminum for five brass > turnbuckles, safety wire, associated hardware plus > steel cables. > I don't have a website to show you pictures, but I > would be glad to discuss it off-line. Don't have > any flight results yet, maybe in a year or so. Were > I to do that again, I would put the forward spar > bellcranks inboard under the seat and run the > control tube diagonally through the stub wing to the > aft spar bellcrank mounted on the front of the aft > spar. The 90-degree bellcranks would need > modification to account for the diagonal control > tube angle through the stub wing. > Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 > sidney.wood@titan.com > > > -----Original Message----- > Any one got a web page out there on a design of > using tubes instead of the cable system? > > Steve McGee > Endeavor Wi. USA > Building a KR2S widened. > lmcgee@maqs.net > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/ms-tnef name=winmail.dat > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 09:12:37 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: KR>Dragonfly canopy Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040105091010.02513b80@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3FF86BEE.00000F.02916@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 I am about to install the Dragonfly canopy. Unfortunately, it is 3.5 in. wider than my airframe. I am told (by the manufacturer) that trying to use a heat gun to drop it into shape is a BAD idea. How did those of using these canopies get them to fit? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:42:13 -0800 From: rwdw2002@yahoo.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Recommendation from Rick Wilson Message-ID: <200401051742.i05HgDiJ002869@redbaron.barnstormers.com> Precedence: list Message: 7 Rick Wilson recommends the following Barnstormers classified ad (click on link) http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=24052 Rudder pedals with master cylinders for sale-$100.00 AOL users, use this link: http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=24052 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:38:18 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KR-1b Motorglider Message-ID: <20040105.125805.772.3.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 At least one. I have the wing (thats all the difference ) plans. The point is, If you like the KR, and cannot get the Medical, then build the KR1b Wings and go FLY, Virg On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:37:08 -0500 "Dana Overall" writes: > >From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY > > > > What is wrong with the KR-1b Motorglider ? Virg > > > > How many of those ever flew? > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time > introductory > offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:41:48 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KR-1b Motorglider Message-ID: <20040105.125805.772.4.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Standard KR-1 with longer GAW airfoil if I remember right, Virg On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:28:29 -0600 "francis fenlason" writes: > > > Where can the details of the KR-1b be found. I remember hearing of > it > many years ago but nothing recently. If I remember it was longer > wings. > Were there any other mods? > Russ - Breckenridge, MN - asiruss@702com.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:04:17 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KR-1b Motorglider Message-ID: <20040105.130417.772.6.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Try RR, Virg On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:33:49 +0000 writes: > I can't find a thing on the kr motorglider. Where is it at? > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:06:48 -0500 From: Jeff Waldron To: 'Brian Kraut' , 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR>Porsche Air Craft Engine Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 Yes they did It was made for the Mooney PFM 3200, which was a stretched airframe 210J. >From what I understand Porsche helped Mooney get the airframe >certified. Then later Mooney dropped Porsche and put in a Lycoming TIO-540. Mooney couldn't afford the cert themselves, and Lycoming wouldn't help them with costs. It's fully dressed weight is comparable to a TIO-540. So it would be way to heavy and powerful for a KR-2. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 6:49 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Porsche Air Craft Engine I just searched that on Ebay and also found two sales catalogs for the 1983 Porsche Flugmoter PFM 3200 aircraft engine. I was just wondering if anyone knows it Porsche actually made that engine for aircraft use or if it was a conversion that another company did. I assume it was a 3,200 CC engine. It has six cylinders and they show it installed in some fairly good sized airplanes. Stan Campbell wrote: There' one on Ebay for buy it now $400, it's been in a KR-2 before __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:12:51 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>tailwheel Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 Tim wrote- >I have one of those wheels on my work bench >I'll take you up on your specs. Not sure what you said here, because if you have one on your work bench you have the specs. But the unit measures almost exactly 6" overall diameter, has an axle bore of 1/2" (I have an AN8 bolt on mine), slides into tailwheel forks that are 2-1/2" apart, and weighs 2 lbs. 13 oz. on the old postal scale. I'll bet some of the shopping cart and inline skate wheels are less than 1/4 that weight, but then again they are very small and very solid! >Do you know what the increse in moment is? Increase compared to what? Two pieces of information are missing: (1) what is the weight of the tailwheel that it will replace, and (2) what is the distance from the tailwheel center to your C.G. datum. With that info, I could tell you. There is so much variation between KRs that there is really no standard distance, and probably no two KR "stock" tailwheels are alike. Then there are various locations for datum that are commonly used for doing C.G. calcs (tip of spinner, face of prop hub, firewall face, wing leading edge- to mention but a few). Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net From: krnet-request@mylist.net To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 268, Issue 1 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 12:00:03 -0800 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. WAF'S 2. new address (Colin & Bev Rainey) 3. Re: tailwheel (Timothy Bellville) 4. tailwheel with picture (Timothy Bellville) 5. Re: Was:Fwd Hinged Canopy Rigidity:Now Flox Filleting Trick (Scott Cable) 6. Re: Got my core (Justin) 7. Firewall bulkhead fittings (John Bouyea) 8. Re: Firewall bulkhead fittings 9. our KRNet service (Oscar Zuniga) 10. RE: our KRNet service (Dana Overall) 11. KR2 Project for sale 12. TXN 960 NAV/COM For Sale 13. Re: our KRNet service (Mark Langford) 14. header tanks (larry severson) << message5.txt >> << message7.txt >> << message9.txt >> << message11.txt >> << message14.txt >> << message16.txt >> << message18.txt >> << message20.txt >> << message22.txt >> << message24.txt >> << message26.txt >> << message28.txt >> << message30.txt >> << message32.txt >> _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy — and get some great new recipes — at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:19:23 -0500 From: "Wood, Sidney M." 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Subject: Re: KR>Dragonfly canopy Message-ID: <20040105192335.76133.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040105091010.02513b80@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 Larry; I'm right in the middle of building my canopy frame. I started mine literally from scratch. I started by buying a 3 inch wider canopy from Todd Silver (Todd's Canopies).... If you are interested in seeing how I built mine check-out: http://kr-builder.org/ScottCable/index.html I'm in the process of sending Dan alot more pictures, he should have them by week's end. Stay tuned! BTW: DO NOT use a heat gun. Dan Heath has been having some Canopy woes, finally resolved it by cooking a new windshield. Dan says that he couldn't get his windshield to drape into it's final shape until the temperature was between 225 and 250.... You can check-out how Dan fixed his canopy: http://kr-builder.org/ Mark Langford also built his own canopy frame, turtledeck etc. Of course his website describing it is: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcf.html --- larry severson wrote: > I am about to install the Dragonfly canopy. > Unfortunately, it is 3.5 in. > wider than my airframe. I am told (by the > manufacturer) that trying to use > a heat gun to drop it into shape is a BAD idea. How > did those of using > these canopies get them to fit? ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 271, Issue 2 *************************************