From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:02 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 275, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Auto engines (Colin & Bev Rainey) 2. Re: capitalization and punctuation (Dana Overall) 3. Re: New KR2S eBay Listing 4. RE: Pushtubes (Wood, Sidney M.) 5. Re: Re:NOT KR>capitalization and punctuation (Mark Langford) 6. sport pilot (larry flesner) 7. Pushtubes/weight (larry flesner) 8. Re: KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 9. RE: Pushtubes/weight (Wood, Sidney M.) 10. RE: KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things (Serge F. Vidal) 11. Re: capitalization and punctuation -AND spelling (Ed Janssen) 12. RE: KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things (gleone) 13. Re: New KR2S eBay Listing (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:07:40 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: Subject: KR>Auto engines Message-ID: <004101c3d6a9$2e5008c0$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Scott & netters, I respect Scott's opinion and education/training about the aviation = industry and all his feelings related to the use of aviation related = only parts. IN some applications I agree totally. However, where it = comes to engines I have to respectfully disagree and state a supporting = view to all those using and planning to use auto conversion engines. = Great strides in dependability and safety have been achieved by the auto = manufacturers in their engines in the last years. The success of the = little VW stretches back almost as far if not farther than the Lycoming, = & Continental stable. Initially all engines were water cooled variety, = and some of the most successful breeds of planes did not have air-cooled = powerplants, but rather water cooled ( discounting jet powered ). The = Corvair is another example of a relatively simple conversion that allows = both budget power, and reliable easily attained parts for upkeep. It = also allows the builder to become acquainted with his engine to better = be able to care for it, which in my 15 some odd years of running an = automotive repair shop was the single most important fact that separated = the casual driver who just put gas in it, from the owner who truly cared = for his vehicle. The more you know about the way it works and why, the = better you will care for it. There is much more than just changing the = oil every 50 hours. I totally support and encourage the use of the VW, = Corvair, Subaru, and I personally will in the future be using either a = Honda or GM powerplant in our KR, liquid cooled, and smooth running, = with electronic fuel injection, and PSRU. I hope for all builders = success, but do not feel that everything must be of the aviation variety = to be safe, just good quality and well researched, and tested. I myself = still shudder at the thoughts of people using points ignition systems = when there are so many electronic ones out there that are so much more = reliable and make the engine run so much better. How do you think all = of you are walking out this morning, getting in cold and starting that = engine in your car with not so much as a second thought, one of a = thousand times. Think of how many hours you drive your car trouble = free, and when maintained how it keeps just coming back for more. I can = promise you that there are pilots this morning that will flood their = engines out, run the batteries down, and foul out their plugs this = morning at the airport near here. It has happened to me every winter = from "old reliable Lyc". Opinions....... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom Orma@aviation-mechanics.com Fri Jan 09 04:21:33 2004 Received: from host203.com ([203.194.159.243]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Aevdt-000OWH-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 04:21:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 29794 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 12:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ROBBINS1) (68.73.207.178) by host203.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 12:12:53 -0000 Message-ID: <00a801c3d6a9$a7eba040$b2cf4944@ROBBINS1> From: "Orma Robbins" To: "KRnet" References: <00f701c3d66d$796753e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Subject: Re: KR>New KR2S eBay Listing Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:11:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Good morning Viet.....Ops I mean Netters If you want a KR project, this one looks good in pictures. Mark, thanks for the link. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2453336277&category=26428 P.S. It seems that the Full Moon has affected the net. Orma aka AviationMech 19 Years flying the KR-2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 07:47:13 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 Good Morning KRNet. No, no Fun Friday pics of a bunch of plumbing and wiring. Well, maybe one later. My goodness, it's about time this issue was addressed. Mark, good job! For those who feel this type of net administration is not KR related, I propose just the opposite. It is the duty of the administrator of an aviation list, to periodically point out continuing digressions of such list. It is only by doing this, a list moves forward. Matter of fact, I sent Mark a post off this list yesterday challenging him to take it to his daughter, his son may have been a better candidate, for deciphering. No, it did not come from one our non english speaking compatriots. My take on it; if a message is full of misspellings and and poor presentation of purported intellectual ideas, I can't put much credence in the ideas trying to be presented. Just my take, agree or disagree, makes no difference with me but don't slam Mark for attempting to improve the exchange of information. Keep on building. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:47:40 +0000 From: To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>New KR2S eBay Listing Message-ID: <20040109124740.IJNW1911.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Just found that my blood pressure medicine may cost me my medical. So does anyone know of a way to reconfigure the wings to make the kr2 into the sport pilot classifaction? My old spell checker only sends me looking for a dictionary. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:59:36 -0500 From: "Wood, Sidney M." 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I want more KR related e-mails and less of the swollen heads. Sorry I brought it up. My deepest apologies. It won't happen again. Mark Langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 07:17:29 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>sport pilot Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040109071729.007d9b60@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <20040109124740.IJNW1911.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.b ellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 At 12:47 PM 1/9/04 +0000, you wrote: >Just found that my blood pressure medicine may cost me my medical. So >does anyone know of a way to reconfigure the wings to make the kr2 into the sport pilot classifaction? >My old spell checker only sends me looking for a dictionary. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Go to http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp and type in "sport pilot". There are 244 e-mails that reference that subject. (this site is available by clicking on the web address that appears at the bottom of every KRnet e-mail.) In addition to the proper sentence structure and subject line, it would be nice if everyone included there name at the bottom of their post so we know who we're talking to. As for spell check, I'm using an early version of Eudora Light so I don't get "pop-up" adds. It doesn't feature spell check so I'm winging it. One way around this is to type the text in MS Word, etc., do the spell check, and then "cut-paste" the text to the e-mail. I do that sometimes but figure I'm close enough to right most of the time for acceptable communication. Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 07:28:53 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Pushtubes/weight Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040109072853.007d2720@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 >One (of the three) pushtubes for the elevator in my KR-2 is 63 inches >long by 1 1/4 diameter by .125 wall. It seems heavy and overdone, but my KR-2 shed 6 pounds in the process of removing the cable system and replacing with pushrods for the ailerons and elevator. Virtue and peace of mind are their own rewards. >Sid Wood, Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sid, How did you measure the 6 pounds saved? Several components stay in the system , pushrods or cable. It seems to me that if you removed all the cable in the system and replaced it with nothing you'd have trouble dropping 6 pounds. I'm not questioning your honesty here, just your scales. :-) Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:47:30 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things Message-ID: <20040109.085349.3440.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 NO, Too much, Virg On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:46:59 -0800 (PST) Scott Cable writes: > KRNetters > OK, hear me out on this one for one second: > First remembering that the KR is one of the easiest > aircraft to modify, and there has never been a KR > crashed due to a structural failure. > > The KR has a double 5/8ths spruce Upper Longerons, a > single 5/8 ths lower longeron. 3/32nd plywood outer > skin, and 1/4 inch plywood firewall support structure. > What if: > 1.) Added an additional 5/8 piece to the upper > Longerons > > 2.) Double the lower longerons aft to behind the rear > spar and add 2 ea 5/8th intercostals from the > firewall to the front spar. > > 3.) Instead of a 3/32 plywood floor between the > firewall (under the rudder pedal support) and the > front spar, use 1/4 inch 45 degree bias plywood. > > 4.) Add a 3/32 plywood inner skin from the firewall to > the instrument panel, and 1/4 inch lower firewall > gusset (like the existing upper gussett in the 2S > plans) and a 1/4 inch plywood doubler on the > inner forward and rear faces of the front spar. > > 5.) Add 18 inches to each wing to increase the wing > span by 3 ft (from 23 to 26) (additional wing area > to handle the increased engine weight) > > 6.) Increase the rudder / vertical stab area by 25% > > 7.) Increase the landing gear strut thickness by 20% > > By doing these 7 things, the KR-2S should be able to > handle the additional loads imposed by a heavier, > more powerful engine. > Essentially, I've created a torque box on the belly, > and fuselage sides. This should come close to > doubling the load carrying ability of the fwd > structure. > The added structural weight would be less than 30 > pounds. For a total increase in gross weight of 67 > pounds (over a corvair or Subaru). > I think a weight gain of 67 pounds, with the benefit > of 30 more useable horsepower, and a gob more torque > is reasonable. Another benefit is it's a aircraft > engine. > > > > ===== > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:59:34 -0500 From: "Wood, Sidney M." 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MzJEQkU5QGxleC14Y2gyLnNhZWcuYWQubG9jYWw+AB+V ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D6C1.316DB954-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:26:50 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things Message-ID: <000b01c3d6c5$016b81b0$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <20040109.085349.3440.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 It beats me. I fail to understand what exactly is the benefit of an aircraft engine over an automotive conversion. Certified aircraft engines are overpriced, fuel-guzzling, noisy, tricky and unreliable beasts. They lag 70 years behind automotive technology, and due to the cost of certification that prevents anything better from showing up, these engines will keep contributing to the high cost of flying. Any car manufacturer producing engines that heavy on cost, maintenance and fuel, and so unpractical and unreliable, would be out of the engine business pretty soon. The next step in general aviation engines is coming now: turbo-diesel engines. Extremely low on fuel, burning Jet-A1 rather tha Avgas, torque at any RPM, low revs...What a dream! And if you think this is not good enough for aircraft, well, two have already been certified: one made by Renault (France), the other by Thielert (Germany), two very well known names in the Formula 1 car racing industry... There is also a successful amateur conversion in France: the Dieselis, that has been happily flying for 5 years now. Engine taken from an Opel Corsa. So successful that I have read somewhere that it is now produced as a kit somewhere in Eastern Europe. My KR2 is just powered by a 2.4 liter VW based engine, but at least, I have dual electronic ignition (taken from a motorcycle), rather than magnetos borrowed from our great-great-grandfather's cars. Go Diesel, my son! Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC 400 hours flown on VW power Tunis, Tunisia -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=ate-international.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=ate-international.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of VIRGIL N SALISBURY Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 20:48 To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things NO, Too much, Virg On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:46:59 -0800 (PST) Scott Cable writes: > KRNetters > OK, hear me out on this one for one second: > First remembering that the KR is one of the easiest > aircraft to modify, and there has never been a KR > crashed due to a structural failure. > > The KR has a double 5/8ths spruce Upper Longerons, a > single 5/8 ths lower longeron. 3/32nd plywood outer > skin, and 1/4 inch plywood firewall support structure. > What if: > 1.) Added an additional 5/8 piece to the upper > Longerons > > 2.) Double the lower longerons aft to behind the rear > spar and add 2 ea 5/8th intercostals from the > firewall to the front spar. > > 3.) Instead of a 3/32 plywood floor between the > firewall (under the rudder pedal support) and the > front spar, use 1/4 inch 45 degree bias plywood. > > 4.) Add a 3/32 plywood inner skin from the firewall to > the instrument panel, and 1/4 inch lower firewall > gusset (like the existing upper gussett in the 2S > plans) and a 1/4 inch plywood doubler on the > inner forward and rear faces of the front spar. > > 5.) Add 18 inches to each wing to increase the wing > span by 3 ft (from 23 to 26) (additional wing area > to handle the increased engine weight) > > 6.) Increase the rudder / vertical stab area by 25% > > 7.) Increase the landing gear strut thickness by 20% > > By doing these 7 things, the KR-2S should be able to > handle the additional loads imposed by a heavier, > more powerful engine. > Essentially, I've created a torque box on the belly, > and fuselage sides. This should come close to > doubling the load carrying ability of the fwd > structure. > The added structural weight would be less than 30 > pounds. For a total increase in gross weight of 67 > pounds (over a corvair or Subaru). > I think a weight gain of 67 pounds, with the benefit > of 30 more useable horsepower, and a gob more torque > is reasonable. Another benefit is it's a aircraft > engine. > > > > ===== > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:06:09 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation -AND spelling Message-ID: <004a01c3d6ca$7f0d9400$8d00a8c0@dad> References: <01b801c3d666$1ec5e5c0$1202a8c0@basement> <000b01c3d69c$f5653a00$e6c12304@dslverizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Norm, I think "coma" should be "comma". :o) Isn't all this fun? :o) 'Course I think I AM going into a coma over all this. Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm Seel" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 4:40 AM Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation > "day, and got several"- I don't believe there should be a coma after > day, unless the sentence reads "and I got". It is probably time for me to get > flamed. Norm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:07 PM > Subject: KR>capitalization and punctuation > > > > NetHeads, > > > > I made a fairly snide remark about keyboards and periods the other > > day, > and > > got several comments on it. Most thought it was long overdue, and > > quite appropriate, but one said I'd been way too hard on the guy, > > that I must be > > some kind of frustrated English teacher, and he basically thought I > > was > out > > of line for "flaming" him. > > > > I understand that some people just can't spell. Engineers are > > famous for > > that. But I simply can't believe that there are people who can't > > grasp > the > > concept capitalizing the first word of a sentence, and putting a > > period at > > the end of a sentence. If you can read, surely you can manage these > > two feats. But I'll take his word for it and offer the following > > advice for those who didn't learn the basics in second grade: > > > > Sentences are groups of words that express a concept. The beginning > > of > each > > new sentence has a "capital" letter. That means that you hit the "shift" > > key on your keyboard right before and during striking the key that > > will be > > the first word of your sentence, and you'll end up with a large "capital" > > letter beginning your sentence. The other thing to grasp is that > > when > your > > concept (sentence) ends, you put a period, or dot (located near the lower > > right corner of your keyboard). These two visual queues greatly > facilitate > > (help) the reader to understand what it is you're trying to say. > > > > However, I suspect that it is not ignorance, but pure laziness and > > inconsideration that leads to this behavior. The writer is too lazy > > to bother spending the extra few seconds it takes to capitalize > > words and end > > sentences with periods. He saves a few seconds on the message, and > > then causes four hundred readers to scratch their heads and read the paragraph > > four times to decipher their code. Often, the reader walks away having > no > > idea what the writer was trying to say, or deciding that whatever it was, > it > > was probably senseless anyway. If you add up all the time that was wasted > > trying to read these posts, you end up with at least an hour of > > wasted KR > > productivity, all so some inconsiderate dolt could save a few > > seconds pecking out a message. It all boils down to pure > > inconsideration, in my humble opinion, and ignoring the other > > "rules" of this list are right up there with it. > > > > Some day I'm going to snap, and start throwing people off the list > > for refusing to delete the previous five posts to which they are > > replying. Again, pure inconsideration for the other members of the > > list. I'm not > far > > from giving up here... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:34:53 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: , Subject: RE: KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things Message-ID: <3FFED82D.00000A.02384@bce-p949w4at3vz> References: <000b01c3d6c5$016b81b0$2c0101c0@ate.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 With regards to, "I fail to understand what exactly is the benefit of an aircraft=0D engine over an automotive conversion."=0D =0D The greatest disadvantage is insurance. There was a recent post about someone trying to insure their KR and found insurers are not fond of most auto conversions. =0D =0D =0D Gene Leone=0D Worland, Wyoming=0D =0D "This is a great day for France!" --President Richard Nixon while attendi= ng Charles De Gaulle's funeral. Truer words were never spoken! =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: serge.vidal@ate-international.com; KRnet=0D Date: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:29:10 AM=0D To: 'KRnet'=0D Subject: RE: KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things=0D =0D It beats me. I fail to understand what exactly is the benefit of an aircr= aft=0D engine over an automotive conversion. Certified aircraft engines are=0D overpriced, fuel-guzzling, noisy, tricky and unreliable beasts. They lag = 70=0D years behind automotive technology, and due to the cost of certification=0D that prevents anything better from showing up, these engines will keep=0D contributing to the high cost of flying. Any car manufacturer producing=0D engines that heavy on cost, maintenance and fuel, and so unpractical and=0D unreliable, would be out of the engine business pretty soon.=0D =0D The next step in general aviation engines is coming now: turbo-diesel=0D engines. Extremely low on fuel, burning Jet-A1 rather tha Avgas, torque a= t=0D any RPM, low revs...What a dream! And if you think this is not good enoug= h=0D for aircraft, well, two have already been certified: one made by Renault=0D (France), the other by Thielert (Germany), two very well known names in t= he=0D Formula 1 car racing industry...=0D =0D There is also a successful amateur conversion in France: the Dieselis, th= at=0D has been happily flying for 5 years now. Engine taken from an Opel Corsa.= So=0D successful that I have read somewhere that it is now produced as a kit=0D somewhere in Eastern Europe.=0D =0D My KR2 is just powered by a 2.4 liter VW based engine, but at least, I ha= ve=0D dual electronic ignition (taken from a motorcycle), rather than magnetos=0D borrowed from our great-great-grandfather's cars.=0D =0D Go Diesel, my son!=0D =0D Serge Vidal=0D KR2 ZS-WEC=0D 400 hours flown on VW power=0D Tunis, Tunisia=0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=3Date-international.com@mylist.net=0D [mailto:krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=3Date-international.com@mylist.net]On=0D Behalf Of VIRGIL N SALISBURY=0D Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 20:48=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Cc: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things=0D =0D =0D NO, Too much, Virg=0D =0D On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:46:59 -0800 (PST) Scott Cable =0D writes:=0D > KRNetters=0D > OK, hear me out on this one for one second:=0D > First remembering that the KR is one of the easiest=0D aircraft to >modify, and there has never been a KR=0D crashed due to a structural >failure.=0D =0D > The KR has a double 5/8ths spruce Upper Longerons, a=0D > single 5/8 ths lower longeron. 3/32nd plywood outer=0D > skin, and 1/4 inch plywood firewall support structure.=0D > What if:=0D > 1.) Added an additional 5/8 piece to the upper=0D > Longerons=0D >=0D > 2.) Double the lower longerons aft to behind the rear=0D > spar and add 2 ea 5/8th intercostals from the=0D > firewall to the front spar.=0D >=0D > 3.) Instead of a 3/32 plywood floor between the=0D > firewall (under the rudder pedal support) and the=0D > front spar, use 1/4 inch 45 degree bias plywood.=0D >=0D > 4.) Add a 3/32 plywood inner skin from the firewall to=0D > the instrument panel, and 1/4 inch lower firewall=0D > gusset (like the existing upper gussett in the 2S=0D > plans) and a 1/4 inch plywood doubler on the=0D > inner forward and rear faces of the front spar.=0D >=0D > 5.) Add 18 inches to each wing to increase the wing=0D > span by 3 ft (from 23 to 26) (additional wing area=0D > to handle the increased engine weight)=0D >=0D > 6.) Increase the rudder / vertical stab area by 25%=0D >=0D > 7.) Increase the landing gear strut thickness by 20%=0D >=0D > By doing these 7 things, the KR-2S should be able to=0D > handle the additional loads imposed by a heavier,=0D > more powerful engine.=0D > Essentially, I've created a torque box on the belly,=0D > and fuselage sides. This should come close to=0D > doubling the load carrying ability of the fwd=0D > structure.=0D > The added structural weight would be less than 30=0D > pounds. For a total increase in gross weight of 67=0D > pounds (over a corvair or Subaru).=0D > I think a weight gain of 67 pounds, with the benefit=0D > of 30 more useable horsepower, and a gob more torque=0D > is reasonable. Another benefit is it's a aircraft=0D > engine.=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D > Scott Cable=0D > KR-2S # 735=0D > Wright City, MO=0D > s2cable1@yahoo.com=0D >=0D > __________________________________=0D > Do you Yahoo!?=0D > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes=0D > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus=0D >=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D >=0D >=0D =0D =0D Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL=0D www.lubedealer.com/salisbury=0D Miami ,Fl=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:41:19 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>New KR2S eBay Listing Message-ID: <20040109.114305.3688.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Just do NOT try to make it a MOTOR GLIDER. The center spars will not handle the load, Virg On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:47:40 +0000 writes: > Just found that my blood pressure medicine may cost me my medical. So > does anyone know of a way to reconfigure the wings to make the kr2 > into the sport pilot classifaction? > My old spell checker only sends me looking for a dictionary. > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 275, Issue 2 *************************************