From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 275, Issue 3 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 2. Re: New KR2S eBay Listing (gleone) 3. Re: capitalization and punctuation (Ron Eason) 4. Re: Southern Idaho KR Project???? (Wayne Israelsen) 5. Fun Friday KR static system el cheapo (Dana Overall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:18:53 -0500 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things Message-ID: <20040109.121854.184.0.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Try SkySmith for insurance. On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:34:53 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) "gleone" writes: > With regards to, "I fail to understand what exactly is the benefit of > an > aircraft > engine over an automotive conversion." > > The greatest disadvantage is insurance. There was a recent post > about > someone trying to insure their KR and found insurers are not fond of > most > auto conversions. > > > Gene Leone > Worland, Wyoming > > "This is a great day for France!" --President Richard Nixon while > attending > Charles De Gaulle's funeral. Truer words were never spoken! > > -------Original Message------- > > From: serge.vidal@ate-international.com; KRnet > Date: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:29:10 AM > To: 'KRnet' > Subject: RE: KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things > > It beats me. I fail to understand what exactly is the benefit of an > aircraft > engine over an automotive conversion. Certified aircraft engines > are > overpriced, fuel-guzzling, noisy, tricky and unreliable beasts. They > lag 70 > years behind automotive technology, and due to the cost of > certification > that prevents anything better from showing up, these engines will > keep > contributing to the high cost of flying. Any car manufacturer > producing > engines that heavy on cost, maintenance and fuel, and so unpractical > and > unreliable, would be out of the engine business pretty soon. > > The next step in general aviation engines is coming now: > turbo-diesel > engines. Extremely low on fuel, burning Jet-A1 rather tha Avgas, > torque at > any RPM, low revs...What a dream! And if you think this is not good > enough > for aircraft, well, two have already been certified: one made by > Renault > (France), the other by Thielert (Germany), two very well known names > in the > Formula 1 car racing industry... > > There is also a successful amateur conversion in France: the > Dieselis, that > has been happily flying for 5 years now. Engine taken from an Opel > Corsa. So > successful that I have read somewhere that it is now produced as a > kit > somewhere in Eastern Europe. > > My KR2 is just powered by a 2.4 liter VW based engine, but at least, > I have > dual electronic ignition (taken from a motorcycle), rather than > magnetos > borrowed from our great-great-grandfather's cars. > > Go Diesel, my son! > > Serge Vidal > KR2 ZS-WEC > 400 hours flown on VW power > Tunis, Tunisia > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=ate-international.com@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=ate-international.com@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of VIRGIL N SALISBURY > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 20:48 > To: krnet@mylist.net > Cc: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S & 150 hp Franklin : These 7 things > > > NO, Too much, Virg > > On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:46:59 -0800 (PST) Scott Cable > > writes: > > KRNetters > > OK, hear me out on this one for one second: > > First remembering that the KR is one of the easiest > > aircraft to modify, and there has never been a KR > > crashed due to a structural failure. > > > > The KR has a double 5/8ths spruce Upper Longerons, a > > single 5/8 ths lower longeron. 3/32nd plywood outer > > skin, and 1/4 inch plywood firewall support structure. > > What if: > > 1.) Added an additional 5/8 piece to the upper > > Longerons > > > > 2.) Double the lower longerons aft to behind the rear > > spar and add 2 ea 5/8th intercostals from the > > firewall to the front spar. > > > > 3.) Instead of a 3/32 plywood floor between the > > firewall (under the rudder pedal support) and the > > front spar, use 1/4 inch 45 degree bias plywood. > > > > 4.) Add a 3/32 plywood inner skin from the firewall to > > the instrument panel, and 1/4 inch lower firewall > > gusset (like the existing upper gussett in the 2S > > plans) and a 1/4 inch plywood doubler on the > > inner forward and rear faces of the front spar. > > > > 5.) Add 18 inches to each wing to increase the wing > > span by 3 ft (from 23 to 26) (additional wing area > > to handle the increased engine weight) > > > > 6.) Increase the rudder / vertical stab area by 25% > > > > 7.) Increase the landing gear strut thickness by 20% > > > > By doing these 7 things, the KR-2S should be able to > > handle the additional loads imposed by a heavier, > > more powerful engine. > > Essentially, I've created a torque box on the belly, > > and fuselage sides. This should come close to > > doubling the load carrying ability of the fwd > > structure. > > The added structural weight would be less than 30 > > pounds. For a total increase in gross weight of 67 > > pounds (over a corvair or Subaru). > > I think a weight gain of 67 pounds, with the benefit > > of 30 more useable horsepower, and a gob more torque > > is reasonable. Another benefit is it's a aircraft > > engine. > > > > > > > > ===== > > Scott Cable > > KR-2S # 735 > > Wright City, MO > > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL > www.lubedealer.com/salisbury > Miami ,Fl > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > . > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:19:59 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>New KR2S eBay Listing Message-ID: <3FFEE2BF.00001A.02384@bce-p949w4at3vz> References: <20040109.114305.3688.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 I'm curious, I lifted this directly from the Rand Robinson web page:=0D =0D The KR-1 is the single seat low wing retractable monoplane which is typically powered by smaller VW engines, up to the VW 2100. The KR-1B motorglider is a standard KR-1 with modified outer wing sections. With th= is simple wing conversion, the original KR-1 becomes an excellent self-power= ed glider. =0D =0D Why won't the KR-2 work that way?=0D =0D Gene Leone=0D Worland, Wyoming=0D =0D =0D "This is a great day for France!" --President Richard Nixon while attendi= ng Charles De Gaulle's funeral. Truer words were never spoken! =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:51:48 AM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Cc: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: Re: KR>New KR2S eBay Listing=0D =0D Just do NOT try to make it a MOTOR GLIDER. The center spars will=0D not handle the=0D load, Virg=0D =0D On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:47:40 +0000 writes:=0D > Just found that my blood pressure medicine may cost me my medical. >So=0D does anyone know of a way to reconfigure the wings to make the >kr2=0D into the sport pilot classifaction?=0D My old spell checker >only sends me looking for a dictionary.=0D =0D >=0D >=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D >=0D >=0D =0D =0D Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL=0D www.lubedealer.com/salisbury=0D Miami ,Fl=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:49:28 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>capitalization and punctuation Message-ID: <005e01c3d6d8$ee23a7e0$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <01b801c3d666$1ec5e5c0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Some day I'm going to snap, and start throwing people off the list for refusing to delete the previous five posts to which they are replying. Again, pure inconsideration for the other members of the list. I'm not far from giving up here...........Lighten up, don't take life so seriously, be happy and do only what you want to do, life is to short. Your a good man Mark, for doing what you do but if its to much, give it up. Other list have the same problems this one has. The delete key works on my computer. I don't read things I am not interested in and don't believe everything that is written most of the time it entertainment. KRRon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:22:20 -0800 From: "Wayne Israelsen" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Southern Idaho KR Project???? Message-ID: <00a401c3d6dd$858af9e0$6701a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> References: <00a501c3d662$b5384a10$96f734cc@Oren> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Rick I think my dad in northern Utah may know who aquired that project, I'll ask him. There is quite a group of builders and flyers of the mighty KR in that area and he knows most or them. ----- Original Message ----- From: ricksilvia To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: KR>Southern Idaho KR Project???? Hello Does one of the list membors live in sothern Idaho and recentlly acquired a KR-2 project from around the Lewiston Idaho area. If so I have some information for you.. Rick Williams _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:10:55 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Fun Friday KR static system el cheapo Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 Man, I sure hope I spell everything correctly:-) Instead of Fun Friday pictures, which would serve no KR purpose, I took these three showing a method to install static ports. I wish I were aware of this when I built my KR. This method would work quite well with a KR. The first picture is blurry as the auto focus decided it wanted to dwell down with the control assembly. Anyway, this is a picture of a SD-42-BSLF pop rivet. http://rvflying.tripod.com/static1.jpg As you can see in this picture, and the second picture, this rivet has a very large polished head. http://rvflying.tripod.com/static2.jpg All you do is drill a 1/8” hole and pop the rivets, one on each side of the fuselage. After this, you take a punch and drive the mandrels out. You now have a hollow pop rivet with a very long shank. Slip the 1/8” ID clear plastic tube over the protruding end and instant static port. The lines are joined at one end with a 3/16” plastic Tee fitting using slip over links made of ¼” polypropylene tube. Tubing of ¼” is fitted over the remaining Tee and routed forward to the instrument panel. Part list follows: http://rvflying.tripod.com/static3.jpg On this picture you will see a “bag number”. This entire bag would be very, very reasonably priced. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy — and get some great new recipes — at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 275, Issue 3 *************************************