From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:13 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 279, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Larry Severson (larry severson) 2. Larry Severson (Martindale Family) 3. Re: GK 1 Aircraft (Dene Collett (SA)) 4. The center spars will NOT handle the stress, Virg (Ron Freiberger) 5. re; Road Runner (Ron Freiberger) 6. Re: re; Road Runner (Mark Jones) 7. Tailwheel Endorsement (Dan Heath) 8. Re: Elevator Cable Tension (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 9. Regs (Colin & Bev Rainey) 10. Re: Tailwheel Endorsement (David Mikesell) 11. Regs (Colin & Bev Rainey) 12. Re: Regs (Bobby Sather) 13. Re: Regs 14. Regs (Dan Heath) 15. Re: Tailwheel Endorsement (Brian Kraut) 16. Re: Tailwheel Endorsement (Dan Heath) 17. Re: Tailwheel Endorsement (David Mikesell) 18. Re: Tailwheel Endorsement (Barry Kruyssen) 19. Re: Tailwheel Endorsement - Ask why (Dan Heath) 20. RE: These 7 things: Auto vs Aero Engines for Aircraft (Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:07:51 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Larry Severson Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040112120505.03f26ab0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <00a401c3d83e$219216a0$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 I am trying to get this rectified. They let through spam, but kick out netters. In the mean time, they say that you can send the message to me through spamblock@security.rr.com. Clearly not acceptable if everyone I need information from gets this treatment. I will let you know when I get it fixed. At 11:26 PM 1/11/2004 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Larry > >Been trying to respond but your provider rejects me. Please supply >alternative email address. > >Thanks > >The Martindale Family >29 Jane Circuit >TOORMINA NSW 2452 >AUSTRALIA > >phone: 61 2 66584767 >email: >johnjane@chc.net.au_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:58:00 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Larry Severson Message-ID: <005001c3d94e$d934d2a0$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 Sorry Larry Still blocked by Roadrunner. Says my message is detected as spam but = also that it actually can't find any spam content!!! Let me know when = the problem is fixed. The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.auFrom rstone4@hot.rr.com Mon Jan 12 13:58:44 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com ([24.93.47.40] helo=ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AgA56-0009mW-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:58:44 -0800 Received: from pavilion (cs2424233-186.hot.rr.com [24.242.33.186]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i0CLmL4c007383 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:48:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000401c3d955$ed054920$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> From: "Bob Stone" To: "KRnet" References: <005001c3d94e$d934d2a0$75a0fea9@johnjane> Subject: Re: KR>Larry Severson Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:49:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: John Martindale, I was experienceing the same problem with Road Runner. They were removing all of the attachments incoming and outgoing from my e-mail's. I sent them an e-mail advising them that if it did not stop, I would find another server because fast is no good if the material does not come through at all. Slow is better if the materiel sent in or out eventually gets there. It worked, they stopped the practice. Another thing you can do is when you get an e-mail with the yellow bar telling you that they removed the attachment, click on forward and when the new window comes up the attachment will be there and you can then open it in the normas manner. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 2:58 PM Subject: KR>Larry Severson Sorry Larry Still blocked by Roadrunner. Says my message is detected as spam but also that it actually can't find any spam content!!! Let me know when the problem is fixed. The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au_______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:19:00 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>GK 1 Aircraft Message-ID: <015101c3d953$8cd220c0$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> References: <00a801c3d90d$eadc1540$0500a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Hi Jim GK-1 was the brainchild of a chap by the name of Garth Kopke (hence GK). He used to fly crop dusters for one of the big veg producers a while ago. He was tragically killed in a crash while contracting out to fly fire bombers in Lesotho a number of years ago.(you remember the huge veld fires they had there). After his death the plane was dismantled and sent to Russel Philips for safe keeping in Port Elizabeth. Russell eventually bought it from Garth's dad and assembled it to fly himself. He sold it a short while later.I have no knowledge of it after that. The main difference of the GK1 from the KR1 is the wing construction and the way it fastens to the fuselage.The entire wing is one piece and slips into the fuselage from underneath and is held in place by only two bolts if I am not mistaken. That Honda motor was bought from Russel Philips originally who first had it in a citabria. According to Russell, that plane is SUPERFAST.When my good friend, Rob V.D. Merwe still had his 2.0L type IV powered KR2 (ZS-WEC) they flew together once. Well according to Rob they would be flying side by side with the KR flat out and GK1 at his wing tip. Russell would open the throttle and literally dissapear in the distance. What news can you tell me about GK-1? I saw Russell today and witnessed the third flight and the first flight of his new self designed and built whisper motorglider with two people aboard---MAGIC. See websight link below. Well I hope that is the info you were looking for. Cheers Dene Collett South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S. Checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM VANCE" To: "krnet" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: KR>GK 1 Aircraft At our EAA chapter meeting yesterday, I was given the owner's manual for a GK-1 aircraft. It is powered by a Honda engine with a reduction drive. It looks exactly like a KR-1. The registration number on the aircraft on the cover is ZU-BLJ. Can anyone tell me the lineage of the GK-1? Jim Vance Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:18:28 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>The center spars will NOT handle the stress, Virg Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040110.182342.2732.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Virg, could you add a bit of verbiage here? Do you mean it wouldn't handle the stress if loaded per KR2 standards? At the implied lower speeds, and single place, would it be OK? Are you willing to share the plans info? Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:56:08 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>re; Road Runner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000401c3d955$ed054920$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I use Road Runner, with Outlook as my mail server. Problems are ZERO. Do you think maybe these issues are regional? Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com Subject: Re: KR>Larry Severson John Martindale, I was experienceing the same problem with Road Runner. They were removing all of the attachments incoming and outgoing from my e-mail's. I sent them an e-mail advising them that if it did not stop, I would find another server because fast is no good if the material does not come through at all. Slow is better if the materiel sent in or out eventually gets there. It worked, they stopped the practice. Another thing you can do is when you get an e-mail with the yellow bar telling you that they removed the attachment, click on forward and when the new window comes up the attachment will be there and you can then open it in the normas manner. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:59:01 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>re; Road Runner Message-ID: <008d01c3d95f$abf6bae0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I use Road Runner here in Wisconsin and Outlook Express 6. They blocked Mark Langford from me so I e-mailed Road Runner and they fixed the problem immediately. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:56 PM Subject: KR>re; Road Runner > I use Road Runner, with Outlook as my mail server. Problems are ZERO. > Do you think maybe these issues are regional? > > Ron Freiberger > mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com > > Subject: Re: KR>Larry Severson > > John Martindale, > I was experienceing the same problem with Road Runner. They were > removing all of the attachments incoming and outgoing from my > e-mail's. I sent them an e-mail advising them that if it did not > stop, I would find another server because fast is no good if the > material does not come through > at all. Slow is better if the materiel sent in or out eventually gets > there. It worked, they stopped the practice. Another thing you can > do is when you get an e-mail with the yellow bar telling you that they > removed the > attachment, click on forward and when the new window comes up the attachment > will be there and you can then open it in the normas manner. > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:09:26 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Tailwheel Endorsement Message-ID: <40032926.000003.02196@Computer> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 This was sent to me. Don't know if any of it makes sense, but I thought y= ou should have the info.=0D =0D =0D Though it isn't spelled out in the FARs, it will be in=0D the Operating Limitations. Under FAA Order 8130.2E=0D there must be included a paragraph that states:=0D =0D "The pilot in command of this aircraft shall hold a=0D category/class rating, or an authoriized instructor's=0D logbook endorsement. The pilot in command must meet=0D the requirements of para. 61.31(e), (f), (g), (h),=0D (i), and (j) as appropriate."=0D =0D Hope this helps clear things up. It really is=0D confusing.=0D =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:15:08 -0800 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Elevator Cable Tension Message-ID: <005f01c3d961$ec1cc770$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> References: <022d01c3d8c2$98e279a0$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer><40027981.000011.03064@Computer> <024201c3d922$40e87f00$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Ken, I did a search on KR Newsletter CD and found an article that addresses tension. The newsletter is issue #261 dated April 1999. For 3/32" cable this article states the tension for Ailerons 25+5-5lbs, Elevators 15+7-3lbs, Rudder (if closed loop) 15+7-3. In the absence of published instructions, the author offered these guidelines based on a cross section of certified airplane control system tensions. If you'll look up this article there are other suggestion on where and how to measure these tensions. Bud Midkiff (KR2 Stretched to same length as 2S) Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth B. Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 7:39 AM Subject: Re: KR>Elevator Cable Tension > I plan to use a cable gage or tensionometer if I can find the correct value > to adjust to. > snip< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:02:06 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Regs Message-ID: <005301c3d968$7b56fb30$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 Dan & netters, The information you are sharing is what is typical of the regs and the = way that things are published by the FAA. Often times the wording will = be in order to act as Pilot in Command, you do or do not need something. = However, to BE actual Pilot in Command you must have this or that. The = technicality being that in one case you are performing the duties of = Pilot in Command, so you can log it and so forth. However, someone else = was actually PIC, like a flight instructor. You are logging experience = as PIC but the actual PIC of the flight is the instructor. You don't = have to have a pilot's license to fly an experimental, but to carry = passengers minimum Private Pilot's License. You don't have to have a = taildragger endorsement to fly a conventional geared experimental, but = if during certification the inspector requires those remarks be in your = POH, than you can ACT as PIC as long as someone is PIC. But you cannot = be the PIC, unless endorsed or rated. The FAA cannot ground an airplane = according to the regs and Inspectors. However, they can tag a plane as = having un-airworthy conditions, and if you fly that plane they can = violate you. But they did not ground the plane, only a PIC can. It = seems like talking out of both sides of your face, but that is why it = can be difficult to interpret the regs because in one place it states = you can, but somewhere else it says that you cannot. I believe that the = reason they did this is to allow someone to log PIC time that is rated = in the Class of airplane, but not that particular type or model, so that = they could act as PIC for the purposes of experience giving credit for = who was actually doing the flying, yet the person was not signed off or = rated so they could not rent or buy the plane and legally go fly by = themselves or with passengers. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom Boeing757mech1@aol.com Mon Jan 12 16:22:08 2004 Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.162]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AgCJr-000Crp-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:22:08 -0800 Received: from Boeing757mech1@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id g.12d.38d5865d (30950) for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:11:37 -0500 (EST) From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.38d5865d.2d3491b9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:11:37 EST Subject: Re: KR>Regs To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: In a message dated 1/12/2004 4:04:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, crainey1@cfl.rr.com writes: You don't have to have a pilot's license to fly an experimental, but to carry passengers minimum Private Pilot's License. Colin, You had better check the FAR's on that one again! Chris Theroux Gilbert, Az ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:32:09 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Tailwheel Endorsement Message-ID: <010301c3d96c$aecbe800$03fea8c0@davids> References: <40032926.000003.02196@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 That only applies to certified aircraft not ones registered in the experimental category. You can actually have a fixed wing license and fly a experimental gyro or helicopter and viseversa. David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:09 PM Subject: KR>Tailwheel Endorsement This was sent to me. Don't know if any of it makes sense, but I thought you should have the info. Though it isn't spelled out in the FARs, it will be in the Operating Limitations. Under FAA Order 8130.2E there must be included a paragraph that states: "The pilot in command of this aircraft shall hold a category/class rating, or an authoriized instructor's logbook endorsement. The pilot in command must meet the requirements of para. 61.31(e), (f), (g), (h), (i), and (j) as appropriate." Hope this helps clear things up. It really is confusing. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:07:33 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Regs Message-ID: <001d01c3d97a$022c48c0$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 According to EAA: DOES A PERSON HAVE TO BE A LICENSED PILOT TO FLY THESE AIRPLANES? Yes. Pilots of Amateur-Built/Homebuilt aircraft must earn and maintain = the same Federal pilot training and ratings as those who fly production = aircraft (such as Cessnas, Pipers and Beechcrafts). They also must = follow all appropriate federal regulations during each of their flights. FAR 61.31 (k) (2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to- (iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when = operating an aircraft under the authority of an experimental or = provisional aircraft type certificate. So if you choose to, you can operate any aircraft, in any = configuration, whether high performance, taildragger, multi-engine, = turbojet powered, aircraft requiring type rating, or complex aircraft if = it has an experimental airworthiness designation. Therefore, one must = have at least a Recreational Pilot License operated under 61.101(h), or = Private Pilot License or higher certificate. As with certified = aircraft, you are required to have a copy of the operating manual & = limitations, registration and airworthiness certificate, and current = weight & balance, in the aircraft at all times while flights are = conducted, and operate that aircraft according to Part 91 regs where = applicable, and by the operating limits imposed or stated in the = aircraft's Operating Manual. Ultralights & Light Sport Aircraft are governed by different = regs and so these statements do not apply to them.=20 Hope this clarifies things for everyone. And I did re-check = things Chris, thanks for pointing it out to me! :o) Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom Boeing757mech1@aol.com Mon Jan 12 18:22:18 2004 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.102]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AgECA-000FY4-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:22:18 -0800 Received: from Boeing757mech1@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id g.7f.4161108c (30950) for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:11:54 -0500 (EST) From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.4161108c.2d34adea@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:11:54 EST Subject: Re: KR>Regs To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: colin I never said they didnt! You did! Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:19:07 -0700 From: "Bobby Sather" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Regs Message-ID: <016b01c3d97b$9fb749e0$5602a8c0@Belkin> References: <7f.4161108c.2d34adea@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Please under line where he said that. I can't find it. bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: Re: KR>Regs > colin > > > I never said they didnt! You did! > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:24:19 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Regs Message-ID: <3b.42639a9b.2d34b0d3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 In a message dated 1/12/2004 4:04:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, crainey1@cfl.rr.com writes: I dont know Who Wrote this but it is not right! Dan & netters, The information you are sharing is what is typical of the regs and the way that things are published by the FAA. Often times the wording will be in order to act as Pilot in Command, you do or do not need something. However, to BE actual Pilot in Command you must have this or that. The technicality being that in one case you are performing the duties of Pilot in Command, so you can log it and so forth. However, someone else was actually PIC, like a flight instructor. You are logging experience as PIC but the actual PIC of the flight is the instructor. You don't have to have a pilot's license to fly an experimental, but to carry passengers minimum Private Pilot's License. You don't have to have a taildragger endorsement to fly a conventional geared experimental, but if during certification the inspector requires those remarks be in your POH, than you can ACT as PIC as long as someone is PIC. But you cannot be the PIC, unless endorsed or rated. The FAA cannot ground an airplane according to the regs and Inspectors Chris Theroux Gilbert Az ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:40:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Regs Message-ID: <40035A95.00000C.00288@Computer> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 If I started this thing with the regs, I TAKE IT BACK. If the regs are th= at ambiguous, we should all do what we think is right and move on. I promise= , I won't do it again.=0D =0D Until the next time. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:00:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Tailwheel Endorsement Message-ID: <12923191.1073962842430.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 It gets more and more confusing. I looked at my operating limitations and this is the statement I found: "The pilot in command of this aircraft must, as applicable, hold an appropriate category/class rating, have an aircraft type rating, have a flight instructor's log book endorsement or posses a "Letter of Authorization" issued by an FAA Flight Standards Operations Inspector." My operating limitations were from April 14, 1991 and Order 8130.2 probably did not exist at the time. Rev E was fairly recent so if the order did exist it was at least a different revision. I suspect that operating limitation issued today would be as Dan stated. The weird part is that you must meet paragraph (j) requiring the tailwheel signoff "as appropriate", but paragraph (k) says that this section does not apply to an aircraft with an experimental type certificate so now I don't really know what the answer is and the FAA inspector I spoke to would also probably scratch his head if I put all the rules in front of him ans asked what they meant. I suppose that the FAA could, and probably, would put specific endorsement and training requirements in your operating limitations if you built an experimental 400 mph multi-engine tailwheel turbojet aircraft. Some may think this is wasted bandwith, but I do find it interresting. If anyone other than me wants to see a definitive answer from an authority on this let me know and I will see if I can get a clarification from the FAA. Dan Heath wrote: This was sent to me. Don't know if any of it makes sense, but I thought you should have the info. Though it isn't spelled out in the FARs, it will be in the Operating Limitations. Under FAA Order 8130.2E there must be included a paragraph that states: "The pilot in command of this aircraft shall hold a category/class rating, or an authoriized instructor's logbook endorsement. The pilot in command must meet the requirements of para. 61.31(e), (f), (g), (h), (i), and (j) as appropriate." Hope this helps clear things up. It really is confusing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:07:27 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Tailwheel Endorsement Message-ID: <400360EF.000010.00288@Computer> References: <12923191.1073962842430.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 16 Brian,=0D =0D If we can get a real answer, I would really like to know. I, for one, wou= ld like to see more wheels on the tails of KRs. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D RE:=0D =0D Some may think this is wasted bandwith, but I do find it interresting. If anyone other than me wants to see a definitive answer from an authority o= n this let me know and I will see if I can get a clarification from the FAA= =2E=0D =0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:12:02 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" To: "Brian Kraut" , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Tailwheel Endorsement Message-ID: <028e01c3d983$04160140$03fea8c0@davids> References: <12923191.1073962842430.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Well I know that all of the ones I have had signed off and had the airworthiness certificates for did not have such a limitation but I have heard from others that the FAA inspector added such things, which he can do. I have seen a certificate issued for a RAF gyro that said "The Pilot in Command must posses the appropriate rating to operate this aircaft" and yet according to the FAA the only rating required is a Private Pilot license inorder to carry passengers........well 15 weeks of fighting buearacy and the certificate was reissued without this statement in it. That is why I used a DAR...yes it cost money and sometimes it is alot of money but they just issue a certificate without all of their personal opinions written in as a restriction for operation. David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com /instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:12:24 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Tailwheel Endorsement Message-ID: <00b701c3d983$15439680$bf00a8c0@t1w419> References: <12923191.1073962842430.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <400360EF.000010.00288@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Hi Dan, I have to ask why as I'm going to replace my retactable gear with fixed gear and was thinking of converting to a nose wheel. I will be operating from a 1000 yard grass strip which can be bumpy and have tall grass. Thanks Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia kr2@BigPond.com AUF Registered 19-3873 http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: Re: KR>Tailwheel Endorsement Brian, If we can get a real answer, I would really like to know. I, for one, would like to see more wheels on the tails of KRs. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org RE: Some may think this is wasted bandwith, but I do find it interresting. If anyone other than me wants to see a definitive answer from an authority on this let me know and I will see if I can get a clarification from the FAA. _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:22:59 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Tailwheel Endorsement - Ask why Message-ID: <40036493.000016.00288@Computer> References: <00b701c3d983$15439680$bf00a8c0@t1w419> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 19 RE: =0D I have to ask why as I'm going to replace my retactable gear with fixed g= ear=0D and was thinking of converting to a nose wheel.=0D I will be operating from a 1000 yard grass strip which can be bumpy and h= ave=0D tall grass.=0D =0D Why would I like to see more wheels on the tails of KRs? Well, I just li= ke them better. I believe that each builder should build what they want, bu= t there is a certain thing about a conventional KR that I really like. Wel= l, I like all tail wheel airplanes and a lot that are not.=0D =0D Now for your situation, you really need a tail wheel. Bumpy and tall gra= ss, good by nose wheel. Put some good 5X5 on a nice set of Clevelands and us= e the Grove gear to get it a little higher and your in business. =0D =0D Like Larry says, it is a little "orgasmic". Or maybe, just sexy.=0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Barry Kruyssen; KRnet=0D Date: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:14:23 PM=0D To: KRnet=0D Subject: Re: KR>Tailwheel Endorsement=0D =0D Hi Dan,=0D =0D I have to ask why as I'm going to replace my retactable gear with fixed g= ear=0D and was thinking of converting to a nose wheel.=0D I will be operating from a 1000 yard grass strip which can be bumpy and h= ave=0D tall grass.=0D =0D Thanks=0D Barry Kruyssen=0D Cairns, Australia=0D kr2@BigPond.com=0D =0D AUF Registered 19-3873=0D http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/kr2.htm=0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "Dan Heath" =0D To: =0D Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:07 PM=0D Subject: Re: KR>Tailwheel Endorsement=0D =0D =0D Brian,=0D =0D If we can get a real answer, I would really like to know. I, for one, wou= ld=0D like to see more wheels on the tails of KRs.=0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D RE:=0D =0D Some may think this is wasted bandwith, but I do find it interresting. If= =0D anyone other than me wants to see a definitive answer from an authority o= n=0D this let me know and I will see if I can get a clarification from the FAA= =2E=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D _______________________________________=0D to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________=0D to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom GAVINANDLOUISE@bigpond.com Tue Jan 13 01:19:30 2004 Received: from gizmo09bw.bigpond.com ([144.140.70.19]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AgKhu-000KpO-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:19:30 -0800 Received: (qmail 14087 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 08:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bwmam10.bigpond.com) (144.135.24.97) by gizmo09bw.bigpond.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 08:04:55 -0000 Received: from bph-d2-p-77-125.tmns.net.au ([144.134.77.125]) by bwmam10.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_4_2 165/51909657) with SMTP id 51909657; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:09:12 +1000 Message-ID: <000201c3d9b5$e7f050a0$7d4d8690@oemcomputer> From: "Gavin Donohoe" To: "KRnet" References: Subject: Re: KR>These 7 things: Auto vs Aero Engines for Aircraft Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:47:55 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: How many of you know that Subaru started designing and building aircraft and Aero engines before they started to make cars?????????? Gavin Australia > Well the crank shaft on a auto engine in most cases is supported by > the use of a reduction drive to get the maximum efficency....and I don't see how good logic comes into play to say single ignition systems are and will fail............be honest with a modern electronic .krnet.org/instructions.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/04 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:01:00 +0100 From: "Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>These 7 things: Auto vs Aero Engines for Aircraft Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 20 Yes, you are right, I know about but didn't mentioned in my prevision post. But I heard a little bit different (may be I am not exactly), they didn't designed any aircraft engine. After WW2 they just get an license for aircraft engine and adapted to the car. But any case, for sure Subaru engine was born from a REAL aircraft engine. Alex -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Gavin Donohoe Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:48 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>These 7 things: Auto vs Aero Engines for Aircraft How many of you know that Subaru started designing and building aircraft and Aero engines before they started to make cars?????????? Gavin Australia > Well the crank shaft on a auto engine in most cases is supported by > the use of a reduction drive to get the maximum efficency....and I don't see how good logic comes into play to say single ignition systems are and will fail............be honest with a modern electronic .krnet.org/instructions.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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