From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 280, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: DAR's and inspections (Dan Heath) 2. Re: Spar questions (Dan Heath) 3. Spam and responses to Larry and Mark (Martindale Family) 4. Certified (Colin & Bev Rainey) 5. Hinges (Gavin Donohoe) 6. GK-1 (JIM VANCE) 7. Re: Your Contact Info (kevin) 8. ailerons (larry severson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:39:39 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>DAR's and inspections Message-ID: <40051C6B.000009.03360@Computer> References: <20040113.232743.-202157.0.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 RE:=0D Art Cacella 1970 American AA-1 N6155L "Dinkie", flying 33 yrs.=0D 1972 KR-1 plans, still not started on =0D 2004 Sonerai-I, on gear w/engine, making wings=0D 2004 Moni-m/G, on gear, mounting engine & wings=0D 2004 Polly, mini-RV-6, mounting engine & gear=0D 200? Intrepid, all metal canard pusher, 4-pl, parts=0D =0D Art,=0D =0D You need a hobby.=0D =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:48:05 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Spar questions Message-ID: <40051E65.00000B.03360@Computer> References: <001901c3da84$0de5ad40$174d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 Gavin,=0D =0D 1 layer of glass is good. If you overlap the top around to the bottom abo= ut 2 inches and the bottom around to the top, about 2 inches, you will have = 2 layers on the leading edge which is good. =0D =0D Search the archives on this sealer topic. You will find that the favorite= is to use resin, thinned. I can't remember with what, but you will find it i= n there. You don't want something that you cannot glue something else to la= ter =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:50:38 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Spam and responses to Larry and Mark Message-ID: <005001c3da8c$553948c0$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Sorry about this folks but my emails to Larry and Mark continue to be = blocked by Road Runner and my provider and I cannot email the latter = direct as per their removal/fix instructions because the nominated = address is being blocked also!! Talk about Catch 22. This is = ridiculous. I and my provider are not being blocked by other systems = including the KRnet so why should I have to go to such lengths to get = past Road Runner. In my view it is RR that has the problem. I am not a = spammer and I have some honest information for Larry and Mark as copied = below that may be of interest to all. Regards John =20 The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au FOR LARRY: Hello Larry Actually it is not my design but based on a principle I found on the archives some time ago. I think it was called the bambi style. In my = humble view it is the simplest and strongest option and will remain closed in flight in the event of a latch failure. The minimium length of the arms depends on the centre height of the = front turtledeck above the hinge point...too short and it will not open = enough. The longer the length, the further towards or even past vertical the = canopy will open. You really need to draw a scale side view sketch and impose = the radius (length from hinge point to centre front canopy lip) on the turtledeck height. On mine, the turtledeck is approx 7" above the = longerons and the arm protrudes approx 7" forward of the the point where the lip = meets the canopy. This is difficult to explain in words....perhaps you could = scale off the Langford picture using an instrument diameter as a guide. The arm is composed of a 1/4" ply rail that follows the longeron curve = and has the canopy frame glassed to it. Within the glass, lying along the = rail and protruding forward the 7" is a 1" and 1" aluminium angle that has a bronze hinge pivot bush pressed into its vertical face at the leading = end. You could use a small bearing just as easily. The length of the angle overall and thus the ultimate opening canopy angle is limited by the curvature of the rail and the need to keep the former parallel with the other side so it will open without binding. The angle piece picks up on a 1" and 1/8" aluminium bar slotted = vertically through the longerons and flush bolted through a spruce spacer to the fuselage side. AN3 bolts with castle nuts and cotters complete the = hinge. Small gas struts mounted appropriately to the angle provide the opening force. My front deck is not removable but does have an inspection panel cut = into it that gives access to instruments etc. Most of the usual fuel tank space forward of that becomes a luggage locker with a curved door only = accessible on the ground. Hope this helps, Larry. It's probably best to get the principle in your = head and then work around the dimensions until you're happy. I'm on holidays at the moment but will forward you some photos on my = return. Regards John. FOR MARK: Hi Mark It's a 40 DCOE Weber (double side draft with shared bowl). Each throat = serves one head or three cylinders and has 30 mm choke, idle jet 60F8, = accelerator pump jet 65, main jet 160, emulsion tube F9 and air = correction jet 200. I get 3100 rpm static using a 56" three blade Warp = Drive set at 10 degrees of pitch. It seems to operate OK and is easy to = muck around with jets etc accessible under the Mickey Mouse cap. I = haven't tried any other carb so it's difficult to compare. A drawback is that there is no mixture control. I had thought to use the = choke section to fill this function but it depends on suction at idle = across the butterfly and thus cuts out at higher revs. The carb also = gets rather hot on top of the engine after flight making subsequent hot = starts a little difficult. I have been thinking about remounting it = either below the engine or using a different carb all together off the = firewall so I can have mixture control either manual or self = compensating...that Harley number looks appealing as does the CV = Stromberg. It's not a high priority at present as I'm mainly concerned about = getting my oil temp ( up to 140 C would prefer under 110 C) down on hot = Australian summer days...looking at a dedicated scoop for the oil cooler = rather than relying just on flow through the front from the prop = otherwise a larger remote cooler seems to be the last option. Regards John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:14:44 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Certified Message-ID: <002d01c3da8f$9ce24980$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Art I believe you will find the answer is in the Part 43 AMT book = relating to TSO certification required now for parts installed. I will = check it and let you know. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom bo124rs@hotmail.com Wed Jan 14 04:21:26 2004 Received: from bay13-f31.bay13.hotmail.com ([64.4.31.31] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Agk1W-000Emf-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:21:26 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:11:14 -0800 Received: from 205.188.209.73 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:11:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.209.73] X-Originating-Email: [bo124rs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bo124rs@hotmail.com From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Subject: Re: KR>DAR's and inspections Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:11:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2004 12:11:14.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[817CEA30:01C3DA97] X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Art, while technically correct, the use of non TSO's equipment for IFR use is very restricted. Now, I am not referring to airspeed, altimeter and so on. This equipment is definitely non TSO'd proper. Ref. FAR 91.205 Required. Ref. FAR 61.57 (c) Required. Ref. FAR 61.3 (e) The first three show IFR qualifications, required equipent and currency requirements. AC 20-138 points towards your answer. (FAA Advisory Circular 20-138) I would also encourgage anyone interested to go to the following website: http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/tvrvbg/_borders/IFR%20equipment.pdf Now the nuts and bolts.(FAA Advisory Circular 20-138) The "box" used for primary navigation in the IFR environment must meet the requirements of TSO'd equipment. While technically not being TSO'd does not exclude you from using the equipment. However, it must meet the requirements of TSO certification. This is not just satisfying the judgement of the pilot but the actual requirements of TSO certification. This would probably only come into play if ramp checked, violated or involved in some type of incident. The simple VOR requirement check at a compass check painted on a ramp would not satisfy the TSO requirement for enroute navigation. Only after the unit had been "self certified" could a required NAV check performed this way be appropiate for use in the system. As for using a NAV for ILS operations, you must certify a one dot deviation equates to the allowable deviation vertically at the outer marker, middle marker and inner marker. For some reason the distance of 10 feet floats around in my coffee induced thinking this early. While doable, I seriously doubt an individual flyer would be able to accomplish the requirements. A GPS must automatically transition sinsitivity between enroute, terminal and approach. In addition, it must possess the ability to self check it's signal reception and automatically identify the pilot of potential signal discrepancies. Once again, this does not apply to instruments not specifically used with the appropriate "ground facilities". So is TSO'd equipment required for IFR operation..........No. Is it practical to be able to self certify non TSO'd equipment? That's your call, but I don't have the ability nor do I know anyone with the ability to perform all the checks required to satisfy the requirements. >>If the box was capable of meeting the requirements of the TSO, the manufacturer would sell it as TSO'd so he had access to the type certificated aircraft market. And I have difficulty believing a hobbyist will cobble together a homebuilt GPS that meets all the TSO. << Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:33:14 +1000 From: "Gavin Donohoe" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Hinges Message-ID: <001e01c3da9a$94c0fc00$f14d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 What are the piano hinges for the ailerons made of? are they aluminium? If it's aluminium are Wicks and Spruce the best places to get it?=20 My local cabinet supplier has brass piano hinge on a roll though I = suspect it will be a little heavy.=20 Gav --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/04From flykr2s@wi.rr.com Wed Jan 14 04:39:28 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.166.129]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AgkIy-000F4H-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:39:28 -0800 Received: from mark (CPE-65-31-81-78.wi.rr.com [65.31.81.78]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i0ECTA5b015656 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:29:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003001c3da9a$0e2db0c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" References: <005001c3da8c$553948c0$75a0fea9@johnjane> Subject: Re: KR>Spam and responses to Larry and Mark Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:29:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: John, E-mail Mark Langford or anyone that does not use the same provider as you and ask them if you can e-mail him the copy of the blocked message and have him forward it to me. I will then get it to Road Runner and have the problem corrected. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:50 AM Subject: KR>Spam and responses to Larry and Mark Sorry about this folks but my emails to Larry and Mark continue to be blocked by Road Runner and my provider and I cannot email the latter direct as per their removal/fix instructions because the nominated address is being blocked also!! Talk about Catch 22. This is ridiculous. I and my provider are not being blocked by other systems including the KRnet so why should I have to go to such lengths to get past Road Runner. In my view it is RR that has the problem. I am not a spammer and I have some honest information for Larry and Mark as copied below that may be of interest to all. Regards John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au FOR LARRY: Hello Larry Actually it is not my design but based on a principle I found on the archives some time ago. I think it was called the bambi style. In my humble view it is the simplest and strongest option and will remain closed in flight in the event of a latch failure. The minimium length of the arms depends on the centre height of the front turtledeck above the hinge point...too short and it will not open enough. The longer the length, the further towards or even past vertical the canopy will open. You really need to draw a scale side view sketch and impose the radius (length from hinge point to centre front canopy lip) on the turtledeck height. On mine, the turtledeck is approx 7" above the longerons and the arm protrudes approx 7" forward of the the point where the lip meets the canopy. This is difficult to explain in words....perhaps you could scale off the Langford picture using an instrument diameter as a guide. The arm is composed of a 1/4" ply rail that follows the longeron curve and has the canopy frame glassed to it. Within the glass, lying along the rail and protruding forward the 7" is a 1" and 1" aluminium angle that has a bronze hinge pivot bush pressed into its vertical face at the leading end. You could use a small bearing just as easily. The length of the angle overall and thus the ultimate opening canopy angle is limited by the curvature of the rail and the need to keep the former parallel with the other side so it will open without binding. The angle piece picks up on a 1" and 1/8" aluminium bar slotted vertically through the longerons and flush bolted through a spruce spacer to the fuselage side. AN3 bolts with castle nuts and cotters complete the hinge. Small gas struts mounted appropriately to the angle provide the opening force. My front deck is not removable but does have an inspection panel cut into it that gives access to instruments etc. Most of the usual fuel tank space forward of that becomes a luggage locker with a curved door only accessible on the ground. Hope this helps, Larry. It's probably best to get the principle in your head and then work around the dimensions until you're happy. I'm on holidays at the moment but will forward you some photos on my return. Regards John. FOR MARK: Hi Mark It's a 40 DCOE Weber (double side draft with shared bowl). Each throat serves one head or three cylinders and has 30 mm choke, idle jet 60F8, accelerator pump jet 65, main jet 160, emulsion tube F9 and air correction jet 200. I get 3100 rpm static using a 56" three blade Warp Drive set at 10 degrees of pitch. It seems to operate OK and is easy to muck around with jets etc accessible under the Mickey Mouse cap. I haven't tried any other carb so it's difficult to compare. A drawback is that there is no mixture control. I had thought to use the choke section to fill this function but it depends on suction at idle across the butterfly and thus cuts out at higher revs. The carb also gets rather hot on top of the engine after flight making subsequent hot starts a little difficult. I have been thinking about remounting it either below the engine or using a different carb all together off the firewall so I can have mixture control either manual or self compensating...that Harley number looks appealing as does the CV Stromberg. It's not a high priority at present as I'm mainly concerned about getting my oil temp ( up to 140 C would prefer under 110 C) down on hot Australian summer days...looking at a dedicated scoop for the oil cooler rather than relying just on flow through the front from the prop otherwise a larger remote cooler seems to be the last option. Regards John _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:58:19 -0600 From: "JIM VANCE" To: "krnet" Subject: KR>GK-1 Message-ID: <007801c3da9e$500fb340$0700a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 Many thanks to Dene, Serge, Sherman, and others for the information on = the GK-1 glider version of a KR-1. If anyone else wants more information on the GK-1, you can find it at=20 www.whisperaircraft.com/GK-1 Jim Vance Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:58:23 -0500 From: kevin To: Plaxo Contact Update for Harold Woods, KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Your Contact Info Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040114085823.007c24d0@pop3.wcoil.com> In-Reply-To: <1074029754.7509.82085.sendUpdate@mx.plaxo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 At 09:35 PM 1/13/04 -0000, you wrote: >krnet@mylist.net, > >I'm updating my address book. Please take a moment to update me with >your latest contact info. > > >Click the following link to correct or confirm your information: https://www.plaxo.com/edit_contact_info?r=99271-18019836-614853007&t=web > >Name: krnet@mylist.net >Job Title:owner >Company:K & K rentals / Ada airport OD7 owner >Work E-mail: krnet@mylist.net >Work Phone:419-649-4184 >Work Fax: >Work Address Line 1: 1665 pevee rd >Work Address Line 2: >Work City, State, Zip: ada oh, 45810 >Mobile Phone: > >Home E-mail: mierz@wcoil.com >Home Phone: 419-649-4184 >Home Fax: >Home Address Line 1: >Home Address Line 2: >Home City, State, Zip: >Birthday: 5/17/1961 >My current contact information: > > > >P.S. I've included my personal card below so that you have my current information. I've also attached a copy as a vCard. > > +----------------- > | Harold Woods > | haroldwoods@rogers.com > | > | 15 Champlain St > | Orillia,ON. > | home: 705 325 6058. > +------------------------------------- > >____________________________________________________________ >This message was sent to you by haroldwoods@rogers.com >via Plaxo. To have Plaxo automatically handle these messages in the >future, go to: http://www.plaxo.com/autoreply > >Plaxo's Privacy Policy: http://www.plaxo.com/support/privacy > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\Harold Woods.vcf" >_______________________________________ >to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:56:57 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: KR>ailerons Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040114075255.00b5a008@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <005001c3da8c$553948c0$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 I am planning my aileron installation. I understand the value of putting wax in the anchor nuts to prevent flox from closing up the access. I expect that I will also have to fill the holes drilled in the wood also. My question is, how do you locate the openings after the BID is placed over the wood to lock it to the aileron/wing? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 280, Issue 2 *************************************