From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 7:02 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 283, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Get certified outside U.S.territory (Simon) 2. Re: Timber sealer (Phillip Matheson) 3. Re: Prying Off Wing Skins to realign--Really BAD Idea (Scott Cable) 4. Re: Friday, Friday, Friday---New FAA Regulatory Notice--totally OT (Bob Stone) 5. Re: Response to recent General Avaition News Story (Richard Collins) 6. Bunch of stuff ( mine) on eBay (Ron Freiberger) 7. Larry Severson (Martindale Family) 8. Excellent source for VW info and inexpensive parts (j stevens) 9. Re: Another KR on eBay (Timothy Bellville) 10. Airworthiness certificate question (Rick Wilson) 11. Transponder ground plane (Colin & Bev Rainey) 12. RE: Get certified outside U.S.territory (Wolfgang Decker) 13. Re: Diehl Wingskin washout (Dan & Michele) 14. electronics componetd supply (Ron Eason) 15. Current News (Justin) 16. RE: Certification (Serge F. Vidal) 17. Re: Current News (Mark Jones) 18. Photo of the Week updated. (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:06:31 +0100 From: Simon To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Get certified outside U.S.territory Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20040116210631.01e607a0@icwn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Dear Group, first: thanks for all the important informations I got out of reading your articles the last months. I bought the almost completed KR2 N234AF ( previously OY-CYU ) a couple of months ago in germany. A few days ago I contacted an FAA-DAR in germany to get my plane certified, and he responded " ...Dear Sir, Sorry to tell you this, but this type of aircraft cannot be Certified outside the U.S.A. etc .... " During my stay in Los Angeles last year, I asked ad the local FSDO about getting an aircraft certified in germany, and they said it is no problem. I would appreciate any hint what might cause his descision since he is not explaining it to me. Best regards Ralf Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:51:39 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "Barry Kruyssen" , "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Timber sealer Message-ID: <000e01c3dc83$4e7ac100$3397dccb@ralf> References: <001901c3da84$0de5ad40$174d8690@oemcomputer> <011c01c3dbe3$96c33320$bf00a8c0@t1w419> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 First I would remove the 36" rib from the end on the spars, by using a 2" or 3" metal putty spreader(the one with a wood handle) and --------------- I got an epoxy from FGI,F/Glass International Called Everseal. thinner than water, the use it on boats as sealer or many coats for deck finish, great stuff Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:16:30 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Prying Off Wing Skins to realign--Really BAD Idea Message-ID: <20040117001630.43466.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000e01c3dc83$4e7ac100$3397dccb@ralf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 KRNetters & Phillip: This is an example of a really, really BAD idea. Here's why: By placing anything between the skin and structure and prying, you are setting up micro-cracking into the laminae and wood, that you cannot see with the naked eye. You would detect these problems only with an MRI or other very sophisticated (and therefore expensive) inspection equipment and methods. Most folks don't have access to this equipment, or the experience required to operate it correctly to detect a problem. By fracturing the bond and then repositioning the structure as you described, you have actually pre-stressed the entire wing torque box, and not only made it heavier, but you've made it weaker. When will it finally un-load all of that built-in stress? When it catastrophically fails, and with you leaving a debris trail....All not conducive to safe flight. The problems have only started with the wing skins however, as you have also caused significant degradation of the Spar's and rib's structural integrity: You now have cured resin that has saturated into the wood. How do you re-saturate the wood to get an effective bond between the skin and the spar? You can't unless you sand it off completely, and clean out the sanding residue from all of the faying surfaces. You have also created cracking along the grain direction, again, indetectable to the naked eye, but degraded none the less. So with this micro-cracking going on in the laminae, and the spars wood grain structure, how do you go about verifying the structural integrity of the the wing? The biggest issue as I see it is that you may never predict, either by analysis or even a test, as to when or under what circumstances the skin will either de-Bond from the spars and ribs or the skin completely crack along the spars and ribs because the micro cracking became shall we say "critical"? Are you willing to flight test the KR's flight qualities with one lower wing skin missing? or completely delaminated? If you completely remove the skin by cutting or sanding it off, at least you have a fighting chance of removing most of the saturated resin, opening up the wood pores, and get a fighting chance of re-saturating the wood fibers with the new skin. You have also completely eliminated the chance of micro cracking the wood and skin. You'd be better off cutting off the the mis-aligned skin and partially sanding off the residual parts of the lower skin and scratch build new lower wing skins with foam and BID. Phil, I'm not trying to come across as a fatalist, or even a know-it-all, or try to degrade or insult you personally. I'm meerly pointing out to you a condition in your wings that demand futher scrutiny, and a plan of action to deal with this issue. Ultimately, you may want to re-build (as in start over) your outer wings, this is a decision however, that only you can make.... --- Phillip Matheson wrote: > First I would remove the 36" rib from the end on the > spars, by using a 2" or 3" metal putty spreader(the one with a wood handle) and pry.... ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:22:13 -0600 From: "Bob Stone" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Friday, Friday, Friday---New FAA Regulatory Notice--totally OT Message-ID: <000401c3dc8f$f65c8b40$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Dana, It could be that the Federal Air Regulations were written by the same genius that wrote the Tax Code since no one understands them either. They, (people who work for the IRS) all give a different answer when asked a question about the code. So they are as much in the dark as the rest of us. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: KR>Friday, Friday, Friday---New FAA Regulatory Notice--totally OT > Subject: regulatory notice > > > NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FEDERAL AVIATION > REGULATION ACT > > 1000.A No pilot or pilots, or person or persons acting on the direction or > suggestion or supervision of the pilot or pilots may try, or attempt to try > or make or make attempt to try to comprehend or understand any or all, in > whole or in part of the herein mentioned Federal Aviation Regulations, > except as authorized by the Administrator or an agent appointed by, or > inspected by the Administrator. > > 1000.B If the pilot, or group of associated pilots becomes aware of, or > realizes, or detects, or discovers or finds that he, or she, or they, are or > have been beginning to understand the Federal Aviation Regulations, they > must immediately, within three (3) days notify, in writing, the > Administrator. > > 1000.C Upon receipt of the above mentioned notice of impending > comprehension, the Administrator will immediately rewrite the Federal > Aviation Regulations in such a manner as to eliminate any further > comprehension hazards. > > 1000.D The Administrator may, at his or her option, require the offending > pilot, or pilots, to attend remedial instruction in Federal Aviation > Regulations until such time that the pilot is too confused to be capable of > understanding anything > > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. > http://special.msn.com/bcentral/prep04.armx > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:15:25 -0500 From: "Richard Collins" To: "KRnet" , Cc: "KR2 Mailing List" Subject: Re: KR>Response to recent General Avaition News Story Message-ID: <002201c3dc97$63da9e30$6500a8c0@laptop> References: <05b001c3dc66$10555ab0$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Dear friends on the KRnet, I am so fed up with all of the media hype on what might happen if someone turns a private airplane into a bomb. Today's news brought us no additional relief when NBC showed a "turn and bank by turn and bank" account of a pilot from PA who decided to break airspace regulations in three major airports. (Has anyone ever watched cop chases on TV? The chases certainly don't make the news, and the film footage those crazies have generated must be astronomical.) I suggest that we all turn our airplanes over to the government so no one will be afraid of those of us who fly turning our beloved airplanes into plane bombs (or is it plain bombs). At the same time we should turn in our cars, so no one will be afraid of car bombs we might build. We should even turn in our bodies so no one will be afraid of any of us deciding to become a suicide bomber. I think I will even turn in my wife's purse. I'm sure the size of that thing would scare almost anyone out of their wits. We now know, by virtue of a California Judge's decision that it is far better to let John Hinckley go unsupervised than to let the general aviation pilot roam the skies, fulfill his dreams, share the glory of flight with the others, and come home at the end of the day full of wonderful stories. Rick Collins N886 KR Heath Built "Little Beast" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Criscillo" To: Cc: "KR2 Mailing List" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: KR>Response to recent General Avaition News Story I am a general aviation pilot and have just reviewed your story concerning the security risks at general aviation airports. I have also reviewed the responses from the AOPA and the EAA, two organizations representing hundreds of thousands of pilots and aviation enthusiasts. I feel your reporting represented a significant lack of depth and balance. While there is a risk with many everyday activities and there are many that could be put to use by those intending to bring harm to others, you fail to point out the positive aspects of the activities of pilots and aviation supports. Private use airports and fly-in communities are no different than any other subdivision or neighborhood in the United States that allows a group of like minded to live and congregate together. I agree with the premise that there is a risk in a single individual taking it upon himself to create a flying bomb out of a general aviation aircraft. But there are risks associated with the freedoms we enjoy as pilots in the United States, and as there are risks with participation in many aspects of our lives, the likelihood of this use of a general aviation aircraft is very low. Many risk assessments have been done by our federal government since 9/11, and when prioritizing our needs, they placed this risk at a very low level. Your report mentions nothing of the patriotism of the pilots, aviation enthusiasts, or the residents of these communities. Many are retired military, retired airline pilots, or people who know and respect the use general aviation aircraft. Just as you would lock your car, look out your window, and monitor who drives up and down your street, these residents watch over their "neighborhood" As a provider of news and information, you should take it upon yourselves to provide balanced information to allow your viewers to form an opinion that is based on their conclusions, not yours. Les Criscillo Tampa, FL Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage_______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:32:25 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRNET" Subject: KR>Bunch of stuff ( mine) on eBay Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I'm piecing out my project, on eBay... see item 2454830783 Nav/Com Ind and also click on see seller's other stuff. Lots more to come. See ya next Fun Friday still ten % off the netters who've posted stuff. Maybe I should make it to those who've sent mark a support check? Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:36:23 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Larry Severson Message-ID: <000b01c3dc9a$525ce5c0$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 Message received and being acted on thanks. John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.auFrom jes@usfamily.net Fri Jan 16 18:04:51 2004 Received: from gv-m1.usfamily.net ([207.225.145.195]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AhfpT-00088C-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:04:51 -0800 Received: from [146.82.10.101] by usfamily.net(USFamily MTA v2.1.0) with SMTP id com for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:54:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jes@usfamily.net, authenticated user jes@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <400895C0.7030608@usfamily.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:54:08 -0600 From: j stevens User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet@mylist.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: KR>Excellent source for VW info and inexpensive parts X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hi all, I just found this super site for VW engine service and parts **Rocky** **Mountain** **Motorworks ** It seems to have a lot of info, forums ect and the parts are priced well. Joel ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:54:20 -0600 From: j stevens To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Excellent source for VW info and inexpensive parts Message-ID: <400895CC.2020706@usfamily.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Hi all, I just found this super site for VW engine service and parts **Rocky** **Mountain** **Motorworks ** It seems to have a lot of info, forums ect and the parts are priced well. Joel ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:00:05 -0500 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Another KR on eBay Message-ID: <001401c3dc9d$a0f43140$fd2b4b0c@HPHome> References: <011e01c3dbea$263762a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <4007C0EE.000003.03580@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 What worries you about the gear?I have mine set up like that, only I used Gerdies wheels and brakes,and I flared in the gear legs to the fusalage. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 5:46 AM Subject: Re: KR>Another KR on eBay Current bid is at 8500, I would not go over 10,000 on this one. The gear worries me a little. The interior is ratty. You might have a problem with head room. The "buy it now" price is ridiculous. For 9500, you would have what looks like a nice start on a really good airplane. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:35:16 PM To: KR Net Subject: KR>Another KR on eBay This is a really nice looking KR....check it out. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI dll?ViewItem&item=2454445968&category=26428 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ._______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:11:13 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Airworthiness certificate question Message-ID: <20040117021113.49637.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 Hi all, This question is for anyone who has his airworthiness certificate for an experimental aircraft. My airworthiness certificate says" Special Airworthiness Certificate" on it. Do all experimental airworthiness certificates say "Special" on them or is this something pertaining to my aircraft? Thanks in advance, Rick Wilson. ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:10:28 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Transponder ground plane Message-ID: <004b01c3dca7$7ec36690$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 Transponder ground plane is 5 1/2" in diameter, of any thickness and = material, mine is aluminum, as long as the diameter is right. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom crainey1@cfl.rr.com Fri Jan 16 20:02:10 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.5.134] helo=ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1Ahhf0-000AQi-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:02:10 -0800 Received: from RaineyDay (242.69.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.69.242]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i0H3q2em021010 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:52:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a701c3dcad$4567cf70$f2452141@RaineyDay> From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:52:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Certification X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Simon, The FAA cannot certify any aircraft whose governing authority is outside = the US. You will have to find out if JAA, ICAO, or some other authority = grants you your airworthiness in Germany. Probably ICAO, but I would not = swear to it. =20 Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom wdecker@cox.net Fri Jan 16 20:56:59 2004 Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net ([68.1.17.241]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AhiW3-000ApX-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:56:59 -0800 Received: from Wolfgang ([68.9.253.42]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20040117044655.HRJG19895.lakemtao04.cox.net@Wolfgang> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:46:55 -0500 From: "Wolfgang Decker" To: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:46:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: KR>Prospective KR Builder X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hello KR netters, I am new to the list, although I follow the postings for a couple of months now. I am deeply looking into building a KR-2S, but I would like to have a chance to see or maybe fly one of them first. Does anybody know, whether there is a KR-2 iin the Rhode Island or Southern New England area? Any contact information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Wolfgang Decker Wakefield, Rhode Island wdecker@cox.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:46:51 -0500 From: "Wolfgang Decker" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Get certified outside U.S.territory Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20040116210631.01e607a0@icwn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Ralf, to get an aircraft certified in Germany you need to contact the Luftfahrt Bundesamt (LBA) in Braunschweig. From my experience (I mastered at the Technical University Braunschweig and had a lot of dealings with this office) it is rather difficult to get an experimental aircraft certified. I would recommend to get in touch with the Oscar Ursinus Vereinigung, which - to my knowledge - is a registered chapter with the EAA as well. I do not have any contact information - unfortunately - but you may check the chapter listings for Germany on the EAA webpage. Through the OUV you might be able to get some type of certification for experimentals in Germany, as most of the homebuilders in Germany do it through them. Good luck, Wolfgang Decker Wakefield, Rhode Island wdecker@cox.net _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:41:49 -0600 From: "Dan & Michele" To: "post to list" Subject: Re: KR>Diehl Wingskin washout Message-ID: <007301c3dcb4$39b9ae80$4e36b340@d3t2n6> References: <008201c3db1e$81345c20$3236b340@d3t2n6> <003201c3dbc4$1f144180$7d97dccb@ralf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Phil, in your mesage you said you had to "replace both of your main spars". I'm wondering if you replaced them because they were damaged from removing the wingskins or did you remove your skins because your spars were bad? I have not had a chance to start the disasembly process yet, hopefully tomorow. Also you mentioned that vinylester wont cure in the presenceof epoxy, are you refering to cured or uncured epoxy. Thankyou for your help. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:03 PM Subject: Re: KR>Diehl Wingskin washout > Dan. > I had to completely remove both bottom Diehl wing skins from the ribs > & spars. > > WARNING If you epoxy the ply to the spars, V/Ester will NOT dry > properly in > the presents of epoxy!!!! How do I Know ?????? I was told this by my local > F/Glass repairer, and he is CORRECT > I had to replace both my main spars, and did only very slight damage > to the > wing skin surface. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:04:55 -0600 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>electronics componetd supply Message-ID: <00c601c3dcbf$d495d7c0$6501a8c0@Administration> References: <05b001c3dc66$10555ab0$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> <002201c3dc97$63da9e30$6500a8c0@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 http://www.mpja.com/index.asp Ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:05:28 -0800 From: "Justin" To: Subject: KR>Current News Message-ID: <001101c3dcc8$4a2a4540$47da1818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 Just thought I would put a post up that I passed my Private Pilot Check = Ride today (b-day). Now onto my IFR and back to work on the KR. Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/HomeFrom DanRH@alltel.net Sat Jan 17 02:58:25 2004 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Aho9p-000CnV-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 02:58:25 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.235]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20040117104820.NLSO25194.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 04:48:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <400912FA.000003.03872@Computer> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:48:26 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <400895CC.2020706@usfamily.net> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Excellent source for VW info and inexpensive parts Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: This link does not seem to work. Once you get to the site, from the sear= ch, see if you can get a link direct to that site without the search engine i= n it. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:59:59 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>Excellent source for VW info and inexpensive parts=0D =0D Hi all,=0D =0D I just found this super site for VW engine service and parts **Rocky**=0D **Mountain** **Motorworks **=0D =0D It seems to have a lot of info, forums ect and the parts are priced well.= =0D =0D Joel=0D =0D =0D =0D ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ---= ---=0D _______________________________________=0D to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom DanRH@alltel.net Sat Jan 17 02:59:28 2004 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AhoAq-000Cr3-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 02:59:28 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.235]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20040117104923.MENR11582.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 04:49:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <40091339.000005.03872@Computer> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:49:29 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <001101c3dcc8$4a2a4540$47da1818@computer> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>passed check ride X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Justin,=0D =0D Congratulations, that is great news. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Sat Jan 17 03:09:36 2004 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AhoKe-000D2T-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 03:09:36 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.235]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20040117105931.MGAT11582.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 04:59:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4009159A.000007.03872@Computer> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:59:38 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <001401c3dc9d$a0f43140$fd2b4b0c@HPHome> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Another KR on eBay - What worries you about the gear? Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I can't see the method of attachment very well. I would want to examine = the brackets and attach points better. It looks like it was quickly put together without a whole lot of attention to detail.=0D =0D I just think that it should be looked over very carefully. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From serge.vidal@ate-international.com Sat Jan 17 04:31:43 2004 Received: from rissala173.outgw.tn ([193.95.17.173]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Ahpc6-000ECp-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 04:31:42 -0800 Received: from tounes-22.ati.tn (tounes-22.ati.tn [193.95.66.22]) by rissala164.ingw.tn (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0HEL6RW025181 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:21:06 -0100 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.planet.net.tn (smtp.planet.tn [193.95.123.25]) by tounes-22.ati.tn (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0HBKQck004445 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:20:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from sergevidal ([213.150.173.238]) by smtp1.planet.net.tn (Switch-3.1.3/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id i0HEL3cF020588 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:21:04 -0100 (GMT) From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KRnet'" Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:18:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000101c3dcf4$133b4c10$2c0101c0@ate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: KR>Get certified outside U.S.territory X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: serge.vidal@ate-international.com, KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Let me give yo a tip about the legalities involved, this will help you understand the issue. - There are agreements between countries to let each other's aircraft fly. - But for that, they must comply with internationally agreed requirements. - Experimentals, by definition, do not comply. They are not truly "certified". In fact, they are granted a special permit to fly, which is granted, on it's own responsibility and accrding to it's own standards, by their country's airworthiness authority (for you, the US guys, the FAA). - So, other countries do not automatically have to let foreign experimentals fly their skies. Be aware that: - An experimental, to cross a border, has to request permission from the authorities of the foreign country - Registration of an experimental, in any country, is a grey area, because it's airworthinesss has to be ASSESSED, and not simply checked. This is something your FAA guys in Europe probably can't do. My advice: register it in Germany. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=ate-international.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=ate-international.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Wolfgang Decker Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 05:47 To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR>Get certified outside U.S.territory Ralf, to get an aircraft certified in Germany you need to contact the Luftfahrt Bundesamt (LBA) in Braunschweig. From my experience (I mastered at the Technical University Braunschweig and had a lot of dealings with this office) it is rather difficult to get an experimental aircraft certified. I would recommend to get in touch with the Oscar Ursinus Vereinigung, which - to my knowledge - is a registered chapter with the EAA as well. I do not have any contact information - unfortunately - but you may check the chapter listings for Germany on the EAA webpage. Through the OUV you might be able to get some type of certification for experimentals in Germany, as most of the homebuilders in Germany do it through them. Good luck, Wolfgang Decker Wakefield, Rhode Island wdecker@cox.net _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:25:19 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Certification Message-ID: <000201c3dcf4$f9210e90$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <00a701c3dcad$4567cf70$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Nope. Not ICAO has nothing to do with it. ICAO is an international regulatory body, they have no national authority whatsoever. Not JAA either. JAA is a Joint Aviation Authority, whose job is to edict rules that will be follower by all its European member states. But it does not apply nor enforce the rules. This is the job of each country's aviation authority In Germany, this would be the Luftfahrt Bundesamt (LBA) Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Colin & Bev Rainey Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 04:52 To: KRnet Subject: KR>Certification Simon, The FAA cannot certify any aircraft whose governing authority is outside the US. You will have to find out if JAA, ICAO, or some other authority grants you your airworthiness in Germany. Probably ICAO, but I would not swear to it. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html______________________________________ _ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 07:04:33 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Current News Message-ID: <001d01c3dcfa$73cf3540$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <001101c3dcc8$4a2a4540$47da1818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Oh God, I am staying out of the skies now!!!!!!!! Just kidding Justin......CONGRATULATIONS. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:05 AM Subject: KR>Current News Just thought I would put a post up that I passed my Private Pilot Check Ride today (b-day). Now onto my IFR and back to work on the KR. Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home_______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:51:51 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Photo of the Week updated. Message-ID: <005601c3dd09$71b46dc0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 18 I have installed my new Ed Sterba 56x64 prop. Here is the link to a = photo. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 283, Issue 1 *************************************