From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:59 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 285, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Get it certified outside U.S.territory / Entering european airspace (Simon) 2. Revmaster (Don Woodyatt) 3. Question for the group (Bernard McLean Sr) 4. Post of this week (Dan Heath) 5. Re: Post of this week (Mark Jones) 6. Dihedral angle from centerlines. (Steve and Lori McGee) 7. Re: Post of this week (Rick Wilson) 8. WAF'S OVER SIZED BOLTS 9. Re: wingskins 10. Re: WAF'S OVER SIZED BOLTS (Steve and Lori McGee) 11. Re: Re: wingskins (Steve and Lori McGee) 12. Re: Post of this week (Scott Cable) 13. Matco Brake fluid Reservoir Mount Location Suggestions (Scott Cable) 14. Reservoir Mount Location (larry flesner) 15. Firewall (Steve and Lori McGee) 16. Re: Post of this week (larry flesner) 17. Re: Firewall (larry flesner) 18. Re: Tailwheel Endorsement (Ross Youngblood) 19. Re: Friday, Friday, Friday---New FAA Regulatory Notice--totally OT (Ross Youngblood) 20. RE: RE: Get it certified outside U.S.territory (Serge F. Vidal) 21. RE: Re: Get it certified outside U.S.territory / Entering european airspace (Serge F. Vidal) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:09:09 +0100 From: Simon To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Re: Get it certified outside U.S.territory / Entering european airspace Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20040118210909.028b3fd0@icwn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Dear Wolfgang,=20 thanks for trying to support me. That www.ouv.de people ask you to join their club, which cost almost 1/5 of what I paid for the whole plane. And later on it turnes out, that the plane must be entirely built in germany, or a stamp is missing etc etc... =20 Folks, thanks for all, but I don=B4t want to waste your time. Believe me: it=B4s a waste of time trying to deal with the german LBA. They are absolutely not interested in our business and you are involved in legal issues for years. I am interested in flying and cannot afford that much time and money.=20 I will try this:=20 a.) Ship it to the U.S. b.) Get it certified on U.S. territory c.) Ship it back to germany d.) fly it - or -=20 a.) Ship it to denmark ( where it was previously registered and flown ) - just a 4 hour drive=20 b.) register again with the danish aviation administration c.) fly back home The interesting part for you ( the group ) will be how various euopean countries deal with a KR2 experimental airplane entering their airspace. I will try to describe this briefly after I collected all these informations from the european countries.=20 If anybody has some experience, I would appreciate to hear about, you can also contact me at simon@icwn.com Thanks Ralf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:30:37 -0600 From: Don Woodyatt To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Revmaster Message-ID: <400B090D.6040506@illicom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Hi all, Is anybody using a Revmaster 2100D Turbo in a KR-2S? Would like info on installation, baffles, preformance, anything else I should know. Don Woodyatt KR-2S # 658 Buckley, IL woody@illicom.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:17:43 -0600 From: Bernard McLean Sr To: KRnet Subject: KR>Question for the group Message-ID: <400B1417.7000306@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 I am dry fitting the belly cross members prior to gluing and have hit a road block (with which I am hoping you all can help me); * My original KR2 plans (dated 10/08/86) show a belly cross member at station "D" only . * Drawing "A" (of my new KR2S supplement..Sept/92...just received) shows a belly cross member at station "E" only. * I looked at Mark Langford's web site and it looks like he installed 1 cross member is located at station "E" only. I was wondering what the downside would be to installing a belly cross member at BOTH "D" and "E". Mark's fuselage looks so good I should probably stick with station "E" only...any ideas or comments? Thanks for your help...I'm really getting energized after a 15 year hiatus from this project....I'm assuming all the spruce I bought in 1986 is still safe to use. I'd sure hate to buy all that wood again! Bernie McLean ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:37:22 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Post of this week Message-ID: <400B18B2.000009.01288@Computer> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Dare to click on this link and you will see how really proud, Jerry and I are, of our instrument panel. Even if we are missing two hole stuffers. Featured, is the Turn and Bank that we just purchased from Brian Kraut.=20 Thanks Brian, it fits OK and looks good to.=0D =0D Jerry and I did sit in it together today, to see if we would fit. Well, = we fit, but it is tight and you better be friends.=0D =0D Also shown, is a pic of how the finishing of the outside of the canopy is coming. I still have a lot of work to do.=0D =0D http://kr-builder.org/InstrumentsWiring/newPics/Thumbnails.html=0D =0D This is also listed under Post Of The Week. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Sun Jan 18 15:51:02 2004 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AiMh3-000BBY-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:51:01 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.95.235]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20040118234101.JCZN25194.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:41:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <400B1984.00000B.01288@Computer> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:40:52 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Content-Type: Text/Plain X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <400B1417.7000306@verizon.net> X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 3.0 X-CNT: ; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Question for the group X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: RE I'm assuming all the spruce I bought in 1986 =0D is still safe to use=0D =0D Bernie,=0D =0D I was told by the man I buy my cabinet making wood from, that it does not suffer fatigue as other materials do. I think that if you take care of it= , it will last forever.=0D =0D This is only an opinion, but I see no harm in putting a cross member in b= oth but if any of the 2S people respond, they will know better than I as I a= m only a 2 person. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:18:16 PM=0D To: KRnet=0D Subject: KR>Question for the group=0D =0D I am dry fitting the belly cross members prior to gluing and have hit a=0D road block (with which I am hoping you all can help me);=0D =0D * My original KR2 plans (dated 10/08/86) show a belly cross member=0D at station "D" only .=0D * Drawing "A" (of my new KR2S supplement..Sept/92...just received)=0D shows a belly cross member at station "E" only.=0D * I looked at Mark Langford's web site and it looks like he=0D installed 1 cross member is located at station "E" only.=0D =0D I was wondering what the downside would be to installing a belly cross=0D member at BOTH "D" and "E".=0D Mark's fuselage looks so good I should probably stick with station "E"=0D only...any ideas or comments?=0D =0D Thanks for your help...I'm really getting energized after a 15 year=0D hiatus from this project....I'm assuming all the spruce I bought in 1986=0D is still safe to use. I'd sure hate to buy all that wood again!=0D =0D Bernie McLean=0D _______________________________________=0D to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:06:35 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Post of this week Message-ID: <00b401c3de20$1a305240$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <400B18B2.000009.01288@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Looking good Dan. I was hoping to see a photo there of you and Jerry hugging each other in the cockpit. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: KR>Post of this week Dare to click on this link and you will see how really proud, Jerry and I are, of our instrument panel. Even if we are missing two hole stuffers. Featured, is the Turn and Bank that we just purchased from Brian Kraut. Thanks Brian, it fits OK and looks good to. Jerry and I did sit in it together today, to see if we would fit. Well, we fit, but it is tight and you better be friends. Also shown, is a pic of how the finishing of the outside of the canopy is coming. I still have a lot of work to do. http://kr-builder.org/InstrumentsWiring/newPics/Thumbnails.html This is also listed under Post Of The Week. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:00:01 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Subject: KR>Dihedral angle from centerlines. Message-ID: <000e01c3de27$91414310$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 For those that are interested. The diehedral works out to extremely = close to 3 degrees on centerlines of the spars. Tried to find this in = the archive and did not. Because the KR2 plans and the S plans have = different dimensions on the end of the wood spar, it works out a little = different, but both are very close to 3. Very close meaning in our = garages I doubt any of us have a scale reading to the hundredths of a = degree. ( did it in autocad, I know otherwise it is minutes, seconds). = Any way for those making wings of different lengths now you know how to = figure your dimesion at the end of the spar if you are building this = part with the center spars already in the fuse. For reference, on a 92.63" outer front spar the centerline of the tip = should be 4.84" above the level line of the water and tube trick when = compared to the centerline of the main spar which needs to be leveled = first. Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:06:40 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Post of this week Message-ID: <20040119010640.74078.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <400B18B2.000009.01288@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 Dan, That's a great looking panel, nice job. How far is it from the bottom of your panel to the floor? You seem to have more clearance for your knees than I do in mine. I'm 5'7" and I miss the bottom of my panel about an inch or so. Rick Wilson. --- Dan Heath wrote: > Dare to click on this link and you will see how > really proud, Jerry and I > are, of our instrument panel. Even if we are > missing two hole stuffers. > Featured, is the Turn and Bank that we just > purchased from Brian Kraut. > Thanks Brian, it fits OK and looks good to. > > Jerry and I did sit in it together today, to see if > we would fit. Well, we > fit, but it is tight and you better be friends. > > Also shown, is a pic of how the finishing of the > outside of the canopy is > coming. I still have a lot of work to do. > > http://kr-builder.org/InstrumentsWiring/newPics/Thumbnails.html > > This is also listed under Post Of The Week. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on > the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:04:23 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>WAF'S OVER SIZED BOLTS Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Guys, When I drilled up my WAF'S the tips of the forward spars were in different places. I need to bring the right wing tip forward and the left wing tip aft. I was thinking about taking the bolts (AN6's) out of the upper and lower attach fittings on the rear face of the forward spar, moving them to where the should be and, reaming the holes up to a 7/16 (AN7), which should clean up any mismatch. This would put me below the 2D minimum for edge distance by .072 in. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:55:16 EST From: BABYWOLF@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Re: wingskins Message-ID: <2d.38baa379.2d3ca114@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 how about a discussion on the pros and cons of rand Robinson wing skins vs dan diehls- i am building in the living room and want to reduce exposure to epoxy fumes and fiberglass sanding dust any info would be appreciated Garry Cowles Santa Fe NM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:57:05 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>WAF'S OVER SIZED BOLTS Message-ID: <001d01c3de37$ec22ff70$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 If you are looking for approval I doubt you would get it here. No one wants to be included in a bad decision even if it was unintentional. Rather than redrilling the wafs, have you tried measuring for any discrepancy in them? Did you make them yourself? A difference of .030 on hole location would make a big change if you took them off and swapped them around. If you made them yourself you would know they are not that hard to make. Maybe try to just make the couple with the needed changes to put the tips where they need to be? Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:04 PM Subject: KR>WAF'S OVER SIZED BOLTS > Guys, > > When I drilled up my WAF'S the tips of the forward spars were in different > places. I need to bring the right wing tip forward and the left wing tip aft. I > was thinking about taking the bolts (AN6's) out of the upper and lower attach > fittings on the rear face of the forward spar, moving them to where the should > be and, reaming the holes up to a 7/16 (AN7), which should clean up any > mismatch. This would put me below the 2D minimum for edge distance by .072 in. > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:58:52 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Re: wingskins Message-ID: <002701c3de38$2bc3c150$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> References: <2d.38baa379.2d3ca114@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Now that is desire to have an airplane. The livingroom! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: KR>Re: wingskins > how about a discussion on the pros and cons of rand Robinson wing skins vs > dan diehls- > i am building in the living room and want to reduce exposure to epoxy fumes > and fiberglass sanding dust any info would be appreciated > > Garry Cowles > Santa Fe NM > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:03:41 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Post of this week Message-ID: <20040119030341.10078.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <400B18B2.000009.01288@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 Lookin really good Guys...Looks like it's gonna change categoriws soon-- >From Under Constrtuction to ... Flying! Dan Heath wrote: Dare to click on this link and you will see how really proud, Jerry and I are, of our instrument panel. Even if we are missing two hole stuffers. Featured, is the Turn and Bank that we just purchased from Brian Kraut. Thanks Brian, it fits OK and looks good to. Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" SweepstakesFrom s2cable1@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 19:35:14 2004 Received: from web40805.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.182]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AiQC2-000Dwz-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:35:14 -0800 Message-ID: <20040119032515.13374.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.91.1.21] by web40805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:25:15 PST Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:25:15 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR>Prying Off Wing Skins to realign--Really BAD Idea To: KRnet In-Reply-To: <001901c3dd6f$e4a2f8e0$dc96dccb@ralf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Phil, I'm Not Shouting, just replying to you in CAPS to remove confusion: Phillip Matheson wrote: Scott Thanks for your insight into my wing skins, But you may have missed the small part that said I replaced my spars. YEP, SORRY I MISSED THAT, BUT THAT IS A GOOD THING ACTUALLY THAT YOU REPLACED THE SPARS. I find it difficult to see the difference in getting a bond with the spar, if you cut the skin , then sand off the skin and flox, Vinyl Ester resin bonds better to its self than to wood, BY PARTIALLY SANDING THE WING SKIN RESIDUE FROM THE SPARS, YOU ARE ACTUALLY NOT DISTURBING THE PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED BOND. YOUR IN A SENSE, ADDING PLYS TO THE OLD SKIN. Also by sanding off the flox and cleaning up the spars, wouldn't you remove those Micro cracks? HOW FAR OR DEEP IS THE MICRO CRACKING? HOW DEEP DO YOU GO WITH THE SANDING???? In the case of Micro Cracks, how do we then, tell if the spar material we buy in the first place to build our spars ,do not already have Micro Cracks?? BUY MATERIALS FROM A QUALIFIED SOURCE. TREAT YOUR BUILD MATERIALS WITH DUE CARE. I will discuss your comments with a aircraft structural eng. THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA. MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU SPEAK WITH ONE, MAKE SURE THE ENGINEER HAS SOME FORM OF COMPOSITE EXPERIENCE, AND DON'T "SUGAR-COAT" OR MINIMIZE WHAT HAS OCCURED. BEST OF LUCK TO YOU. Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" SweepstakesFrom matheson@dodo.com.au Sun Jan 18 19:40:35 2004 Received: from relay01.kbs.net.au ([203.220.32.149]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AiQHD-000E62-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:40:35 -0800 Received: from [203.220.151.2] (helo=StationW2k04) by relay01.kbs.net.au with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1AiQ7Z-00045j-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:30:37 +1100 Message-ID: <006801c3de3d$2becb3d0$0297dccb@StationW2k04> From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" References: <000e01c3de27$91414310$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Subject: Re: KR>Dihedral angle from centerlines. Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:34:39 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: For those that are interested. The diehedral works out to extremely close to 3 degrees on centerlines of the spars. -------------------------------------------------------- Just something slightly different The Dan Diehl video and instructions say to sit two 3 1/2inch blocks on the top of each inner main spar, extend a string line or level to the main spar tip, and that's your dihedral requirement. If you wanted to change the amount of dihedral, and the BLOCK height very easy. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:01:56 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Matco Brake fluid Reservoir Mount Location Suggestions Message-ID: <20040119040156.21564.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 KRNetters, Any suggestions on where to mount a Matco Mfg. brake fluid reservoir? Aft side of the firewall? Fwd side of the firewall? If on the Fwd side of the firewall, are there any 1/4" nylaflow bulkhead fittings that have been used? I'm inclined to mount the reservoir on the aft center face of the firewall. Drilling through the upper shelves to route the 1/4" Nylaflow tubing down to the master cylinders. MAybe mounted to an angle, mounted to the aft edge of the upper shelf? ( no open Holes then)???? Suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" SweepstakesFrom dandm@qwics.com Sun Jan 18 20:35:58 2004 Received: from host-66-202-49-10.mil.choiceone.net ([66.202.49.10] helo=qwics.com)by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AiR8o-000EdX-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:35:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 24105 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jan 2004 04:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO d3t2n6) (66.202.49.88) by chicken.qwics.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 04:30:35 -0000 Message-ID: <005701c3de43$5ad9bca0$5831ca42@d3t2n6> From: "Dan & Michele" To: "post to list" References: <2d.38baa379.2d3ca114@aol.com> Subject: Re: KR>Re: wingskins Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:18:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Gary, I'm a cheepskate and like to buy things used however preformed fiberglass parts are not an area to chince out in, I bought used Diehl skins and believe it's part of the problem I've been having with mine (if you've been folowing the recent posts titled "diehl wingskin washout").When you buy used, especialy sight unseen, you dont know how long they may have been sitting in the garage improperly suported, and therfore suffering from creep. I know your question wasn't new vs. used but I thought I'd throw that in. I don't know anything about the Rand skins but I'm fairly happy with the Diehl skins. One problem I had was the area where there is no Clarkfoam didn't exactly line up with the spars(Clarkfoam is 1/4" foam sandwiched between the two layors of fiberglass and the area where the spars attach doesn't have Clarkfoam). Dan is fairly easy to get ahold of and is friendly and helpful. As far as the fumes go it's what you your wife/roommate can tolerate. Vinylester does have a strong smell. But you get use to it. Sanding the stuff is no joy it melts into your sandpaper and soon your sanding with vinylpaper. however if you do things right you shouldn't have to sand a whole lot. Enjoy . Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: KR>Re: wingskins > how about a discussion on the pros and cons of rand Robinson wing skins vs > dan diehls- > i am building in the living room and want to reduce exposure to epoxy fumes > and fiberglass sanding dust any info would be appreciated ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:32:50 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Reservoir Mount Location Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040118223250.0080d630@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <20040119040156.21564.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 >KRNetters, >Any suggestions on where to mount a Matco Mfg. brake fluid reservoir? Scott Cable +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Scott, The key word here is reservoir. Mount it where you can get to it easily for servicing with fluid. All other considerations are secondary. Watch the heat if installed on the front side of the firewall although the Tripacer (mine does anyway) has a single brake mastercylinder mounted on the front side of the firewall and no problems. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:43:41 -0600 From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Cc: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Subject: KR>Firewall Message-ID: <002201c3de46$d00c9b70$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 The KR plans call for .020 asbestos and .005 of stainless. I was = wondering what flying Krs have used and been approved. I see that wicks = only carries .018 stainless. Also this is what is called out in = Bingelis firewall forward book. Thanks. Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. USA Building a KR2S widened. lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:37:41 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Post of this week Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040118223741.00810b50@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <00b401c3de20$1a305240$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <400B18B2.000009.01288@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 . I was hoping to see a photo there of you and Jerry hugging >each other in the cockpit. >Mark Jones (N886MJ) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark, This is a family audience. Let's not go there!! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:49:59 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Firewall Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040118224959.00807990@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <002201c3de46$d00c9b70$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 : >The KR plans call for .020 asbestos and .005 of stainless. I was wondering what flying Krs have used and been approved. I see that wicks only carries .018 stainless. Also this is what is called out in Bingelis firewall forward book. Thanks >Steve McGee +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I doubt if your DAR will ever look at your firewall so it's up to you to make sure it's right. Asbestos is a "NO - NO" now days. Use "fiber-frax" that is available in the Wicks catalog. The .018 SS should work. I seem to recall I got .016 somewhere but what's .002 between friends. :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:48:49 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: Brian Kraut , KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Tailwheel Endorsement Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12923191.1073962842430.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <12923191.1073962842430.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 18 My opinion on this topic is that there seems to be a loophole with respect to the tailweel endorsement with an Experimental aircraft. I think this a result of allowing an "Experimental" aircraft to be somthing entirely new, where their may not be a flying example of such a craft. For example, assume someone developed a vertical takeoff and landing aircraft using some new technology. Then you could build it and fly it and be within the FARS -- Experimental. However, since the KR is a conventional aircraft, and the "intent" of the regulation on tailwheel aircraft is for the pilots safety, I think it is not too much of a leap to assume that it is in your best interest to have an up to date tailwheel endorsement in your logbook before flying. Also a pilot attempting to maintain "currency" in a KR with a tailwheel should observe the regulations with respect to full stop landings. I'm not saying that you have to, but if you do, there would be no question in the case of an accident over the FAR's. If you do have an incident in your KR, in my opinion, you want to be in as much a position of strength as possible. If you have your tailwheel endorsement, and you have followed flight advisor recommendation on transition training, you will be seen as a careful pilot. And that would in my opinion help you out in case of some other human error that could happen. Thats just my 2 cents. What this thread sounds like is the following: "Hey, it looks like there is a loophole that will save me about $700 on flight training before I fly my KR". Probably. On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:00:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Brian Kraut wrote: > > It gets more and more confusing. I looked at my operating limitations > and this is the statement I found: > > "The pilot in command of this aircraft must, as applicable, hold an > appropriate category/class rating, have an aircraft type rating, have a > flight instructor's log book endorsement or posses a "Letter of > Authorization" issued by an FAA Flight Standards Operations Inspector." > > My operating limitations were from April 14, 1991 and Order 8130.2 > probably did not exist at the time. Rev E was fairly recent so if the > order did exist it was at least a different revision. I suspect that > operating limitation issued today would be as Dan stated. > > The weird part is that you must meet paragraph (j) requiring the > tailwheel signoff "as appropriate", but paragraph (k) says that this > section does not apply to an aircraft with an experimental type > certificate so now I don't really know what the answer is and the FAA > inspector I spoke to would also probably scratch his head if I put all > the rules in front of him ans asked what they meant. > > I suppose that the FAA could, and probably, would put specific > endorsement and training requirements in your operating limitations if > you built an experimental 400 mph multi-engine tailwheel turbojet > aircraft. > > Some may think this is wasted bandwith, but I do find it interresting. > If anyone other than me wants to see a definitive answer from an > authority on this let me know and I will see if I can get a > clarification from the FAA. > > > Dan Heath wrote: > > This was sent to me. Don't know if any of it makes sense, but I thought > you > should have the info. > > > > Though it isn't spelled out in the FARs, it will be in > > the Operating Limitations. Under FAA Order 8130.2E > > there must be included a paragraph that states: > > > > "The pilot in command of this aircraft shall hold a > > category/class rating, or an authoriized instructor's > > logbook endorsement. The pilot in command must meet > > the requirements of para. 61.31(e), (f), (g), (h), > > (i), and (j) as appropriate." > > > > Hope this helps clear things up. It really is > > confusing. > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:04:05 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Friday, Friday, Friday---New FAA Regulatory Notice--totally OT Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <029f01c3ddab$11efcc20$87d790cf@HP> References: <029f01c3ddab$11efcc20$87d790cf@HP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Had to print this one out and will put it up on my wall at work! > > >> Subject: regulatory notice >> >> >> NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FEDERAL AVIATION >> REGULATION ACT >> >> 1000.A No pilot or pilots, or person or persons acting on the direction >> or >> suggestion or supervision of the pilot or pilots may try, or attempt to > try >> or make or make attempt to try to comprehend or understand any or all, >> in >> whole or in part of the herein mentioned Federal Aviation Regulations, >> except as authorized by the Administrator or an agent appointed by, or >> inspected by the Administrator. >> >> 1000.B If the pilot, or group of associated pilots becomes aware of, or >> realizes, or detects, or discovers or finds that he, or she, or they, >> are > or >> have been beginning to understand the Federal Aviation Regulations, they >> must immediately, within three (3) days notify, in writing, the >> Administrator. >> >> 1000.C Upon receipt of the above mentioned notice of impending >> comprehension, the Administrator will immediately rewrite the Federal >> Aviation Regulations in such a manner as to eliminate any further >> comprehension hazards. >> >> 1000.D The Administrator may, at his or her option, require the >> offending >> pilot, or pilots, to attend remedial instruction in Federal Aviation >> Regulations until such time that the pilot is too confused to be capable > of >> understanding anything >> >> >> >> >> Dana Overall >> 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >> Richmond, KY >> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" >> Finish kit >> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. >> http://rvflying.tripod.com >> do not archive >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips > here. >> http://special.msn.com/bcentral/prep04.armx >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:43:30 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>RE: Get it certified outside U.S.territory Message-ID: <001001c3de68$51121350$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20040117200135.01fb2990@icwn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Dear Ralf, I understand your disappointment and your concern, being in a similar situation (As far as I am concerned, when I moved from South Africa to Tunisia, I brought my KR2 along, hoping to register in Tunisia, which soon proved impossible; I then had to re-export the plane, to France, where I am now hoping to register). If I were you, I would not give up. The Germans are tough on regulations, bet they are fair: if you meet them, they will let you fly. This being said, as I know the Germans, they are perfectionists; they like everything to be up to the best standards, so be prepared for some hard work. Also, keep in mind that in Europe, the sky is much more crowded than in the US, so private flying is considered a privilege, not a right. I, personally, will fight dearly to get ZS-WEC back in the air, despite the fact that I now live away from my plane. I will make her look neat, suppress all the shabby details; I will prepare superb paperwork, etc. And if I fail, it will be with the satisfaction of having tried everything. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia (pilot) Orleans, France (aircraft) serge.vidal@ate-international.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Simon Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 20:02 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>RE: Get it certified outside U.S.territory Dear Vidal, thanks for giving me the big picture on the problem. For shure I will NEVER try to register anything with the german aviation administration ( LBA ) . I don't think there is anyone with a KR2 in germany, and there will never be one. The goal of the german aviation administration is to keep people out of flying. Looks like I have to dump my plane. Best regards Ralf Simon _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:46:51 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR> Re: Get it certified outside U.S.territory / Entering european airspace Message-ID: <001101c3de68$c92f9650$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20040118210909.028b3fd0@icwn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 21 The solution is probably Denmark. Good luck,keep us posted. Serge Vidal I will try this: a.) Ship it to the U.S. b.) Get it certified on U.S. territory c.) Ship it back to germany d.) fly it - or - a.) Ship it to denmark ( where it was previously registered and flown ) - just a 4 hour drive b.) register again with the danish aviation administration c.) fly back home The interesting part for you ( the group ) will be how various euopean countries deal with a KR2 experimental airplane entering their airspace. I will try to describe this briefly after I collected all these informations from the european countries. If anybody has some experience, I would appreciate to hear about, you can also contact me at simon@icwn.com Thanks Ralf _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 285, Issue 1 *************************************